Which Goblin is better?
Green Goblin better character
Hobgoblin best costume
Is how I always saw it
>>78615264
Hobgoblin is so much cooler. i find hobgoblin stories so much more entertaining. even Macendale on his worst days is better that osborn.
Dark Reign was great.
>>78615674
Death of Gwen Stacy Osborn is awesome and crazy.
>>78615799
The Impregnation of Gwen Stacy Osborn is also crazy for different reasons.
>>78615799
Yea, and Osborn in thunderboltz was awesome too but have you read the Gangwars or the Hobgoblin Lives. Extra serious
>>78615264
Hobby.
Gobby's just a one-trick pony.
![1418530-demogobin__1_[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/oldtUKJ.jpg "1418530-demogobin__1_[1].jpg")
>>78615264
not really a contest
>>78617769
came here to post this
>>78615264
Hobgoblin was cool only in the early-mid 80's when he actually was some kind of mastermind that was good at not getting caught and framing others to take the fall for him.
The second they made that half demon version, then retconned him into an evil fashion designer it was all over.
>>78618254
Phil Urich is pretty fun.
>>78617769
Someone in highschool told me about this and this is the first time I think I've ever actually seen Demogoblin...
I graduated in 05.
>>78615264
Isn't that the question of the day?
Norman is pretty much the top dog of being evil and twisted in Marvel, Hobgoblin is cool but he's basically a B or C lister
>>78618294
I liked the ex-mercenary stumbles upon Norman's stash and decides to give supervillany a try take on the character.
>>78615264
Norman works better as reocurring villain. Even with Sins Past making him lose some of his thread. He also one of the few villains who became way more awesome after his ressurection than before.
Gobgoblin was good for his one arc. Unfortunately, that one arc kept going and became pure disappointment. Now, Kingsle is going to keep brainwashing people with fucking Blinker until the end of days and will never die.
Norman all the way.
But Harry is still the best written.
>>78618254
Roger Stern always intended Hobs to be revealed as Kingsley though.
>>78618254
Shillgoblin is great.
Norman was a paranoid schizophrenic drug addict who died like a bitch. Then his son did the exact same shit and died the exact same way.
Retconning Norman into an evil mastermind was the crowning point of the Clone Saga. Let that sink in for a moment. And after that they just defaulted him into crazy mastermind spidey archvillain.
Hobgoblin pulled out much more fun stuff over the years, even when he was being fucked by editorial, he managed to stay more or less interesting. Meanwhile Norman is a fucking Doombot.
I've always dug Kingsley's Hobgoblin. Harry as GG was THE GG for a good portion of my reading as a kid. That run he had in Spectacular was great.
Gotta problem? Call Hobgoblin!
>>78618324
i did too. you didnt play maximum carnage as a kid? you poor soul.
Osborn really died during the heroic age and that greengoblin in superior spiderman was another brainwashed victim of the Hobgoblin(spidermans greastest villian!)
>>78623333
Hobgoblin has better stories and is generally written more consistently. Norman when he's written good is fucking fantastic though.
One of these characters is a parody of the Green Goblin
Wheras Norman Osbourne; the original Green Goblin is also The Iron Patriot.
Hobby for me.
GG is just horribly overrated most of the time. I mean he has his moments and should be given some cred for inventing that cool glider (though some more obscure villain probably did it first) but he's kinda dull most of the time.
Spider-man is the real villian. Why can't any of you see that?
>>78624339
Go to bed, Jameson.
>>78618324
Well, Demogoblin died 11 years before you graduated.
I have a McFarlin' run of Spiderman where Pete has to save the Green Goblin from getting killed by the Hobgoblin.
So... By that logic, Hobby is better. Plus, I love his colors and costume better.
Are people happy that Kingsley apparently started a trend of outsourcing villains?
It basically made bad guys even more disposable including their background history.
>>78615264
1) Jack O'Lantern I/Hobgoblin II
2) Green Goblin I
3) Demogoblin
4) Green Goblin III
5) Post Axis Hobgoblin I
6) Green Goblin II
7) Pre Axis Hobgoblin I
9000) Jack O'Lantern II - V
90000000000000000000) any character created for the Goblin Nation.
Hobgoblin was played by mark hamill.... so Hobgoblin
>>78631078
He's basically filling the void left by Justin Hammer's death years ago but every once in a while he decides to step and take an active role in villainy. It's good enough for me.
>>78615264
Hobgoblin is the best, but Norman knocked a girl off a bridge before accidentally killing himself, so he got brought back from the dead to be a big shit for a while. Fuck the Green Goblin, he belongs to the past.
>>78631188
Goblin Nation is the fucking worst. Hobgoblin shitting all over them was one of my favorite parts of his Axis series.
>>78623333
>>78623352
Recently I was trying to remember what happened to Norman after he turned himself into a Super Adaptoid, but now I wish I had not remembered.
>>78632531
Hobgoblin is fun in the same way Shocker is...but what has he actually done to be a good villain? Most of the Hobgoblin support I see ITT is referring to him when he was used as a comic relief character
>>78633330
He keeps mind controlling people and turning them in to Hobgoblin bots, including Peter's good friend Ned Leeds. Also, his costume is far superior to the Green Goblin.
>>78633330
>what has he actually done to be a good villain?
Sane villain stuff, unlike Norman.
>>78633791
His costume is better but that doesn't make him a better villain
>>78633835
>Sane villain
Oh come on
>>78633914
Yes, technically. He reworked the goblin formula so it would give him all the power and none of the lunatic side effects like Norman and the others. Norman is crazy and evil, Rodrick is just evil which gives him an edge in my opinion.
Their are a lot of goblins
I don't know half of them
>>78632601
I know I read this but I can't remember the why or what of these events.
>>78635205
Phil, Phil, Menace, Harry, ?, Kingsley, Osborn, Demogoblin, Gabriel
>>78633914
Sane compared to Stormin' Norman. Not a high bar, granted, but still.
>>78635205
Stupid Ulrich kid, sonic-laughing Hobgoblin,
Menace, the knocked up female goblin,
Grey Goblin, son of Norman Osborne and Gwen Stacy
Harry(?) Green Goblin
Jason Macendale stupid cyborg eye Hobgoblin
Gathering of the Five stupid test-tube Green Goblin...I assume
Demogoblin
Hobgoblin
Norman(?) Green Goblin
>>78635345
I don't remember Macendale ever having that cyborg look but apparently you're right.
>>78615335
I have to agree with this. Spider-Man already has too many bad guys with green or green and purple. Also the Hobgoblin hood and cape looks pretty cool.
>>78615674
>even Macendale on his worst days is better that osborn.
I like Hobby better, but let's not get carried away. Macendale was literally a retard.
My favorite era was when Macendale was a demon-possessed religious zealot .
>>78636635
That looks metal as fuck.
>>78636701
That brief run of the comic was awesome. Mark Texeira's art fits so well.
>>78619120
Motherfucker crossed the line there.
>>78635230
>?,
Jason Macandle, late in his career he got a bionic eye.
>>78635403
>I don't remember Macendale ever having that cyborg look but apparently you're right.
He had it in that book where Kingsley came back and killed him.
That's the only reason I recognize him though. I don't remember him in that hobgoblin suit either.
>>78636635
>>78636780
This crossover was sooooo damn sweet. It had one of the greatest Venom drawings ever (that page that ends with Blaze holding a gun to Venoms head and Venom has more teeth than Spawn has spikes).
>>78636994
found it.
goddamn.
>>78636811
He did the sold the line and made a profit.
>>78633330
He was good in the 80's when he was one of the few Spider-Man villains that always got away. He would cause trouble and fight with Spider-Man some then escape. The whole time Peter could never figure out who the guy was or successfully link him to anyone. Each time he caught and unmasked Hobby, it was all a ruse each time.
Plus he was a bit more clever with Norman's stuff. He weaponized some of the more pointless trick items and made them into things that were genuinely dangerous.
He sort of came off as some villain Batman for a while. Tossed little razor bat and drove in a high tech supercar/van and everything.
>>78636888
It was Ben Riley era bullshit. There's no shame in not remembering it
>>78635205
I never liked how writers thought there should be a newer edgier goblin for every generation of readers.
Hobgoblin showing up years after Norman died was an interesting way to have a legacy character. And Harry being Green Goblin a couple times was interesting but it got insane from there.
Demogoblin, Hero Green Goblin, Gray Goblin, there are way too many now.
Do you guys prefer the Goblins being physically altered and disformed or do you like them in armor sorta like a schizo.
>>78637276
Costume, works for a Spider Man villain. Liked how they use a mix of powers and gadgets. Sort of like Peter.
I hate the huge Ork goblins from Ultimate.
>>78637276
Armor/costume. No need for them to go full Menace and grow horns and shit..
>>78637276
I absolutely hate the physical transformation goblins. Ultimate Green Goblin was the worst thing about that line for a long time.
>>78615264
Hobgoblin.
>>78637342
Ultimate Osborn had his moments, though.
>>78637236
Every time I try to go back and read those comics, I guess starting around 1994...man. Such a mess.
The Spidey books, at one time, had a very predictable and and manageable dichotomy between them, each with it's own vibe.
"Amazing" was the main book and had the most important plots threads. When Mcfarlane and then Erik Larsen went over to "Adjective-less" that book became the gonzo, zaney book while "Amazing" chugged along and eventually became the book dealing most with the Symbiote crap. Mark Bagley deserves a metal for not going crazy during that time.
Meanwhile,"Spectacular" held onto the darkness of the late 80s even. Spectacular was the book that dealt most with Harry's carrier as Green Goblin and shit like Vulture having cancer. Even through Maximum Carnage, Spectacular was the grittier Spidey book.
"Web Of" was very much an outlier. A lot of the plots happening in that were short and while never truly BAD, they hardly ever mattered. Lots of one-off villains and stuff. That became the book dealing with Kingpin, Rose and Hobgoblin stuff.
Then that damn Clone era ( and by extension everything up until the Reboot) . Every book became a garbled mess.
They all just blur together.
>>78638127
>That became the book dealing with Kingpin, Rose and Hobgoblin stuff.
Oh man, I really liked those.
Yeah, me too. Richard Fisk taking over as Kingpin made it feel like there was some actual advancement in the status quo.
Didn't last too long though
Green Goblin.
Hobgoblin I'll say simply because his dickery is less contrived.
From the moment Norman came back from the dead, the character has been tainted.
All that Scier shit? Gathering Of The Five? I hate every second of it. Hobgoblin's progression and twists are fun and for the most part actually foreshadowed.
>>78638747
>Didn't last too long though
Even worse, it ended up with a stupid double twist that makes the Clone Saga look straightforward in retrospect.
The Richard who took over his dads place was actually Richards friend, Alfredo, who was masquerading as Richard for so long that he went crazy and thought that he himself was Richard. Blood Rose (oh god, even the name is too 90s) was the real Richard.
>>78635205
(from left to right): Phil, No Name Clone (yes that's right everyone always forgets about that), Menace, Harry, Jason, Roderick, Norman, Demo, and Gabriel.
So many goblins and I remember them all. Why do I remember them all?!
Still the best among them is Roderick, the original Hobgoblin. The man has to be the most profitable human villain in the Marvel Universe. The man just doesn't get caught, he knows when to leave. If he knows the situation is going south. He sends in a dupe.
He's only been caught once and well he's just so damn magnificent at the game. While Norman is always so personal, Roddy looks at the bigger picture and knows when it lay low.
>>78640620
I figured the second one was also Phil because he had that slightly different colour scheme and the rags around his neck.
>>78640620
How can you tell Harry and Norman apart when in their green goblin suits? They look identical to me.
>>78640642
Nope. No name had the look. Though it's ironic to confuse him with Phil since originally this Green Goblin was meant to be Phil Urich, blackmailed by Norman to do his bidding.
>>78641000
You can't, but Norman being in the center makes more sense.
>>78641000
The era of goblins mostly are the 90s and it would make sense to pair Menace near Harry's version.
>>78637667
Yeah.
>>78641209
>>78641297
This was actually my favourite part of Miles' book.
Not saying much, but still.
>>78618369
Norman is a cold bastard
>>78641620
>>78641649
Norman at his best is better than Kingsley at his best.
But Kingsley at his worst is better than Osborn at his worst.
It's the problems with being an A-List villain. You'll be tossed around from writer to writer because you're popular. You'll have some kick ass stories, but you'll also be dragged down by some of the worst writers around. Kingsley has remained fairly unused, unlike Norman who could be argued as being overexposed. hell, Norman was clearly going to be in AXIS before somebody (probably Slott), vetoed that idea. Which I'm glad for because AXIS Hobgoblin was amazing.
That being said, I'll always have a preference for the Green Goblin, no matter how shitty he gets thanks to poor writing, but I love Hobgoblin too. Kingsley at least. Most other Hobgoblins are major bitches.
>>78641664
>>78641673
>Most other Hobgoblins are major bitches.
Bur that's all Goblins in general who aren't an Osborn or Kingsley. Because they all aspire to the heights both set out and did.
But in the end most become bitches. The jokes. The ones Roderick or Norman mock the other with. For Hobgoblin? That was Macendale. For Green? The answerwhile it's the No Name Cloneis Hamilton.
>>78641868
I actually tend to forget there's Green Goblins besides Norman and Harry.
Most of them were extremely short lived.
YOU'RE OUT GOBBYOUT OF YOUR MIND!
>>78631188
>Green Goblin III
Bart Hamilton?
>>78641014
>question of the day
Deepest lore
>>78641986
You'd be surprised at how many Green Goblins there have been. In actuality there have been at the moment
1.) Norman Osborn
2.) Harry Osborn
3.) Bart Hamilton
4.) Phil Urich
5.) No Name Clone
6.) Executioner (stands in for Norman, to make Doc Samson's claim of him regressing back into the Goblin persona false).
7.) Peter Parker (during Norman's attempt to break him and make Pete his heir)
8.) Normie Osborn (alternate universe though)
>>78641620
>>78641649
>>78641664
>>78641683
Man, I fucking love schizo Norm.
Post more if you are so inclined good sir!
>>78642383
Hobgoblin has only had four people pick up the persona.
1.) Roderick Kingsley
2.) Jason Macendale
3.) ? (Bendis's version from Secret War mini, who was only used again for the Red Sonja/Spidey x-over)
4.) Phil Urich
The rest were dupes Kingsley used:
1.) Lefty Donovan
2.) Flash Thompson
3.) Ned Leeds (though originally was the Hobgoblin for seven years)
4.) Daniel Kingsley
5.) Claude, Roderick's butler
6.) ? >>78640620
>>78642398
>>78642471
Though technically you could say Norman too was the Hobgoblin since he posed as him to get Kingsley to show himself.
>>78642487
>>78642554
I know Norman has more personal history with Peter, but I really enjoy Kingsley. I think he's far more interesting as a character and villain.
Norman is all rage. He's hot-headed and absolutely nuts. Roderick is cold and calculated. He's even willing to have his own twin brother as the fall guy.
>>78642398
Just look up a good Warren Ellis comic.
>>78642569
>>78642572
That's why they're both good.
>>78618369
I truly hope Otto will curbstomp Norman in epic fashion one day
>>78642522
Oh and I almost forgot. Deadpool was a dupe too (because Christopher Priest, poking fun at it all. Oh to know the full scope of the Hobgoblin meddling that went on between DeFalco, Stern, and himself).
>>78635548
thanks doc
>>78642658
For what?
>>78642383
I know how many there have been but man. Almost none of those guys had a long lasting career in Gobby's costume. The only none Osborn one there who has was Phil and he's a Goblin slut.
>>78640620
When you are a class 10 strength street leveler, and you are going to start some shit in the same town that has Thor, Iron Man, a few Novas, Namor, three dozen mutants on a good day, hosts three superhero teams, a squad of Spider people, the most powerful wizard in existence, and a few hundred superpowered villain rivals, you have to be smart about it.
>>78641000
Norman has the rounder face, Harry is thinner with a longer face. That's about it.
>>78642812
I think that they are talking about when they are in costume, specifically in the pic with all the green goblins.
>>78642789
Which is why Norman and Roddy are pros at it.
>>78642973
>>78642789
>>78640620
This is why Roderick is unique amongst supervillains; he actually knows when to call it quits.
I wish he hadn't lost his secret bank accounts and just relax in the sun. He's one of the few bad guys that got away in the end.
>>78642789
You know, it boggles my mind that any criminal would operate in NYC; it's the epicenter of Marvel Earth. Why not Chicago or Dallas or Miami?
>>78643034
Then again if AXIS mini holds true, it be hilarious to watch Roderick parade around New York without a care in the world having his criminal record tossed because they could never pin him as the Hobgoblin.
Just imagine him walking right to Betty Brant, Harry Osborn, or J Jonah to say hello?
>>78643068
The reason Kingsley came back to New York, other than to settle grievances with Phil Urich was because of just that and the additional clients he made
He pawned off Mysterio and Crimemasters' identities in New York for who knows how much.
Yet he also has various operations in all parts of the world. The man is the Kingpin of C and D-list villains and was making a good buck on it.
>>78643386
Yeah I really liked how they made Kingsley a notable figure in the black market and criminal underworld. But he needs to keep his ego under check.
Always bothered me that he used razor bats in that scene.
>>78641670
I really wish we could see Norman and Roderick have a full-out war as businessmen and as Goblins. Even Norman was shocked how strong an enraged Kingsley was.
>>78633791
gorgeous
I like Norman better as an un-costumed villain.
I know it makes him Lex Luthor at that point but , eh.
>>78645024
Norm can't handle a well prepared Roddy.
