Why was "Hellfire" in the Hunchback of Notre Dame?
It was completely out of the tone of the movie and pissed off a lot of Christian parents.
>>78544723
>It was completely out of the tone of the movie
I agree. "Hellfire" was amazing while the rest of the movie was kinda eh. Hellfire has Frollo being a deap, conflicted character while the rest of it he is just evil villain man.
Contrary to popular belief, most watchdog groups are alright villains doing sinful things so long as they're clearly spelled out as the villain.
The fact that the archdeacon was the villain to begin with was the bigger issue.
It was completely within the tone of the movie.
The gargoyles are what weren't.
>>78544805
what, the conclusion to that song was he being evil villain man
>>78544843
The entire point of the song was him trying to cast away his lust in order to stay in line with his morality, and by the end he decides she must die.
>>78544836
Agree with this anon.
>>78544723
If only the rest of the movie was this good, then it would fit perfectly.
>>78544836
Also this. Those damn things killed the mood every scene they were in.
>>78544927
No he never got rid of the lust, he said "she will be mine or she will die"
>>78544723
What are you implying? Why do you think an innocent songwriting duo like this would be anti-Catholic?
>>78544723
all the christian parents i talked to were stoked to see an anti-catholic message for once. those people give us a rrl bad name
>>78544723
>pissed off a lot of Christian parents
And pissing off Christians is a bad thing because...?
>>78544836
Quasi just needed someone to talk to, it would have been sad as fuck if he only talked to himself all the time, but they could have been done in a more tolerable fashion
>>78544723
Most Christian parents would be pissed off if you actually read the Bible to them. Let's see a big budget movie about the genocide of the Amalekites and everyone else who was unlucky enough to be in ancient Palestine, and then we'll see how many people regard the Bible as some 100% Holy Book.
>>78544813
Frollo was a judge not an archdeacon
>>78545350
First and foremost, because it's played-out. It's a way to pretend that you're controversial or challenging. It's the way wimpy atheist teenagers rebel against their parents. It might be novel if you grew up outside of the cities but the liberal cosmopolitan elite of Europe and America relish every opportunity they get to piss on Christianity (all the while defending Muslims against "Islamophobia").
Christians are generally upstanding and resist the rampant degeneracy of contemporary Western culture. Any atheist of intelligence stopped buying into the psuedo-edgy anti-Christian shit years ago now.
Good art is always off tone and challenging, children.
You think christian parents liked Chernabog and Harpy titties flying around?
>>78545518
>Muh degeneracy
It's good that Christianity is finally getting the treatment it deserves (ridicule) after millennia of punishing people who mocked it with death/torture/imprisonment. That's why I also mock Islam, viscously, and there is no law against it. The idea that the Christian concepts of eternal damnation for people who guessed the wrong faith, unalterable and unchallengable dictatorship, and literal thought-crime prosecution should be defended is ludicrous.
>>78545750
What has the alternative given us? Divorce rates through the roof? Fertility below the replacement rate? Mass immigration, urban atomisation, wasteful recreational sex, the abolition of culture and tradition in favour of consumerist worship where the Beatles replace Bach and Wagner?
I judge Christianity on its functional merits. It matters not one jot how civilisation is preserved as long as it *is* preserved. By that standard, the liberal religion of freedom and human rights is the worse evil.
>>78545859
Culture and tradition was mass destroyed by christianity in 90% of the world.
>>78545489
He was in the original Victor Hugo story.
>>78547271
Not relevant to the movie
>>78544805
>Out There
>eh
>>78544723
And that's why the stage musical is better
>>78545898
What Culture has slipped through the cracks in those other countries is unanimously shit.
But we should preserve Indians shitting in their own streets and Chinese holding live puppies over open fires to cook them, right? Muh diversity right?
>>78547640
The library of Alexandria
>>78545468
>ancient palestine
if youre going to contradict yourself, your fedora is on too tight
>>78544836
They should have made it completely ambiguous whether the gargoyles were real animated statues or just figments of Quasi's mind. That bit at the end where it shoves a rock onto some guard took me out of it.
>>78545898
roman catholics aren't christian, dude, they're just the roman empire doing what it has done since long before christ and will continue to do long after anyone remembers why.
>>78547640
seriously. why cant we keep the good bits? Yknow, math and gunpowder and all that. shit indians and chinese had mastered while white people were still smacking rocks together. they stagnated for readily demonstrable reasons, but surely with all that written history they can hold onto the good parts. just like a good christian starts over with hebrew texts and ignores all other developments
>>78547784
This so hard. At the time, they didn't bother me because I was used to that being part of the post-lion-king disney era, but hearing all the reviews since... yeah. They're dead right, those guys sucked. Even if they were mildly amusing.
that said, perhaps that part was in quasi's mind too. he just imagined them 'helping'
>>78547788
>shit indians and chinese had mastered while white people were still smacking rocks together
Resentment is such a curse, isn't it? What a waste of Hitler dubs.
>>78547788
>he thinks heretic Protestants are Christians
Jesus didn't fucking leave a book, he left a church. Get the fuck out scum.
>>78544836
>>78547784
>>78547823
Shout out to the musical's gargoyles
https://youtu.be/8gPLXUPv7Sg
>>78547671
That was burnt by the Arabs.
>>78548076
That was debunked
>>78547788
>shit indians and chinese had mastered while white people were still smacking rocks together. they stagnated for readily demonstrable reasons, but surely with all that written history they can hold onto the good parts.
The Chinese invented a lot of shit as a pasttime because they were able to lounge about in affluence due to entire infrastructure of slavery. They never put them to good use.
Same with Indians, they still have their caste system even to this day. Their oh so clever inventions did little to improve their overall society.
>>78547860
he didn't leave a church, he left teachers who were instructed to lie if need be to convert people
>>78547640
Please, you pseudo proud white faggot, take a check at your nigger blood. Your shitty sandnigger legacy destroyed every bit of rich and valuable scandinavian culture because faggots were too scared of people going in the woods to dance and fuck once in a while. That's basically the sum of everything. Even the dirty slavs got fucked by what you consider superior white civilized culture, which is just a cesspool of AIDS.
You're a fucking retard talking about diversity while siding with christian genocide. Hey, you fucking moron, big news to you, it was the big bad pagans that were all about conserving your own culture and not letting foreigners taint your shit up. You're on the wrong side to be the bigoted xenophobic cunt, you moron with no historical knowledge. Go suck a priest's cock.
Because a huge part of the source material's story is Frollo being consumed by lust contrary to his vows.
The fact that they turned him into a judge instead of an archdeacon is a big enough compromise. They have to depict his madness and depravity somehow.
i can only watch the you tube version were all the gargoyles scenes are removed
>>78548467
I'm surprised you slid your wet lips of of Fenrir's wolf cock long enough to type that post you hipster of a heathen.
>>78545750
>dictatorship
Please explain why retards should have any say in comparison to an omniscient, omnipotent deity. Because it almost sounds like you think they would know better than something that literally knows better and decides what better is.
>>78545859
On the one hand, Bach and Wagner should not be forgotten, because they were truly great artists.
On the other hand, they haven't REALLY been forgotten. The fact that they are not POPULAR among the lower and middle classes is not much of a shift, given that in their day music could not be recorded, and so their symphonic works could ONLY be enjoyed by the upper classes.
And more importantly: a culture that gets extremely wrapped up in its past to the point of shunning new works suffers stagnation and eventual decay. We saw this happen to the Arab world, which was once a center of learning and culture but stopped advancing meaningfully as the Ottoman Empire stagnated and contracted. If we become too worshipful of an imagined past golden age, our fate will be the same.
>>78549266
If the deity in question decides what better is, it sounds like you're saying might makes right.
Suppose then that a more powerful entity were to overthrow this deity and create new laws, encouraging murder, rape, and theft. Would those then become good and righteous acts, simply because the most powerful being in the known universe decreed them to be?
If so, your idea of morality seems very arbitrary. Good becomes solely defined by whoever has the biggest stick, which means that anything can be good. This does allow you to still claim that your god defines what "good" is, but it also means that saying your god is good is next to meaningless, as "good" in this case means that your god complies with his own commands -- hardly a notable accomplishment.
If not, then your deity does not, in fact, "decide what better is", and morality is not decreed by deities -- rather, your god simply happens to be one who loves things that are good, though he does not make them good.
