>capeshit
>boring plot elements that follow nearly identical patterns
>100's of "different" characters which are actually all the same
>horribly written plots, storylines that would make a swiss cheese jealous
>awfully cringey jokes, feels like a 50 year old trying to be "hip"
>horrible artwork
Why people still follow and read Marvel and DC comics?
>>78533070
>Why people still follow and read Marvel and DC comics?
Because it's Americana and most of us grew up with them
Why do europeans eat toast sandwiches? Why do the Japanese like anime for the exact same reasons?
There's more than enough good old cape books to fill a lifetime, but yeah the big 2 are pretty bad these days. 80's big 2 was GOAT though.
>>78533070
You go. I stay. Suupermaaan.
>>78533103
>Why do europeans eat toast sandwiches
They also try different things unlike americans who enjoy the same shit for nearly 80 years.
>>78533109
that is one of the coolest panels Superman has ever been in.
>>78533208
>They also try different things unlike americans who enjoy the same shit for nearly 80 years.
They do? Because last I checked they eat toast sandwiches and don't even have access to Mexican food or any cuisine other than their own
>>78533274
shit writer and a total sperg, but a great artist
>>78533070
Because of industrialisation.
Marvel, DC, and other industrial superhero spouting filth are the biggest threat against the comic medium. Comics isn't just about batman and superman, there are thousand of other independent stuff outside the media-controlled mainstream capeshit circle but people (especially murricans) are too stupid to explore that jungle.
>>78533103
Except anime is quite more diverse than comics
>>78533070
I need pasta. Pasta of fedora tippers.
>>78533070
>>78533369
Indieans please go
>>78533369
Maybe I just don't give a shit about your hipster bullshit.
>>78533369
>but people (especially murricans) are too stupid to explore that jungle
>>78533461
Yeah because everything that isn't capeshit is considered as "hipster", right? Stupid faggot.
>>78533589
Indiean pls
>people falling for the indiefag bait
>>78533645
He is using the capeshit buzzword, more of a /tv/irgin.
>>78533294
I agree with you on why people still reads Marvel and DC, but we European are pretty diverse on food
>>78533589
Yes.
>>78533589
Yes you stupid faggot. Big Two is mainstream as fuck.
>>78533070
Cuz you, Allan Moore, Alejandro Jodorowsky & Alejandro González Iñárritu can go be pissy while I enjoy myself.
>>78534047
>>78534037
I can see that you guys don't read comics that much.
>>78535051
I don't read your boring hipster shit if that's what you mean.
>>78533070
>horrible artwork
Why OP why must you be a fag?
>>78536088
>complains about horrible art
>posts Alex Ross
Are you kidding me?
Ross is fucking terrible.
>>78536088
Don't post an example proving his point
>Shitty artwork
The marvel and dc cartoon girls get me hard everytime
>>78536520
>>78536537
lol found the cynical shits
>>78536520
>>78536537
what is it that you do not like about Alex Ross's
style of art? Is it the whole "does not convey motion" meme, because personally I never had this problem and individual panels are outright beautiful. Can anyone explain why people do not like Alex Ross art to me?
>>78536520
Post pictures of your favorite artist, so we can reveal to you that it's shitter than Ross.
>>78536810
>the whole "does not convey motion" meme
It's not a meme, it's true.
All the characters look the same because it's always the same few models posing in in different costumes. He's a mediocre portrait painter with a fetish for golden age capeshit.
>>78537039
I hate the low angle shot he always uses. The feeling he's trying to convey is that these figures are larger than life and you look up at them like a child looking at your parents.
There's also far too much nostalgia in his work for my tatse
>>78533070
>opinions
>opinions
>opinions
>opinions
>opinions
Fuck you, I like it.
>>78537039
Yes it is anon personally I never had that problem
and as far as I know it does not really meter who is
posing for an artist they just use models to get a
sense of perspective, in other words drawing and photography are not the same thing.
>>78537104
he thinks it makes heroes look larger than life
personally I agree,.
>>78533109
good luck finding anything that cool in new 52 or post.
Got a new fedora for Christmas huh OP? Go back to posting in the Questionable Content threads and kindly fuck off.
>>78537448
>they just use models to get a
>sense of perspective
Have you seen Ross paint?
He copies the photo as much as possible. He's not using is as an anatomy or perspective reference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BIJzDO4fxM
>>78537626
>he didn't read Larfleeze
>He didn't read Azz's Wonder Woman
>He didn't read the first half of court of Owls
>he didn't read the second half of Red Lanterns>He didn't read Redhood and the Outlawsnot that I blame you
>>78537741
yo, stupid. not one of those is superman-related.
>>78537741
I enjoyed WW and Red Hood before Lobdell left. The rest didn't appeal to me at all.
>>78533416
>anime
>diverse
>>78533070
>>boring plot elements that follow nearly identical patterns
>>100's of "different" characters which are actually all the same
>>horribly written plots, storylines that would make a swiss cheese jealous
>>awfully cringey jokes, feels like a 50 year old trying to be "hip"
>>horrible artwork
This can be true of anything. No medium holds a monopoly on lack of quality.
>>78537831
Yes, and? I didn't enjoy new 52 Superman all that much, what now?
>>78533070
>horrible artwork
Senpai pls.
>>78538145
>>78533294
Hahahahahaha. 'We;re diverse and you're not - we eat Mexican food as well as burgers'. Holy shit I'm laughing.
>>78537729
he does not always make them look like the models tho for example Alex Ross's depiction
of Professor X looks a lot like Patrick Stewart,
his Stark looks like Timothy Dalton etc.
>>78533369
>this hipster delusion
The real problem with the monopoly DC and Marvel have over the comics industry is that they also hold a monopoly on the talent of the industry.
Most of the great writers in the industry are already under-contract and aren't free or aren't willing to do long or short form stories in more independent publishers. We see several talents toying with the idea, but there just isn't the financial stability for most writers to just pull an Alan Moore and say fuck it.
Now, the indie side of the industry is composed of "alternative" but otherwise uninteresting works that suffer from being writen by writers to used to the DC and Marvel models (or, God Forbid, webcomics) that can't (amoung other things) write a story with an ending worth a shit, write a story that isn't a "desconstruction" (ugh) or a "throw-back" (UGH) of a genre, write romances that are worth a shit, write for people that aren't your average comics nerd, write a story set in the real world that isn't a crime thriller, Spy Fiction, or dystopian/apocalyptic adventure, write political satire that actually understands that , Hey, Bush isn't in Office anymore, write consistantly on a one shot format, etc. etc. etc.
>>78533416
You do realize comics aren't just capeshit right?
>>78538445
>Most of the great writers in the industry are already under-contract and aren't free or aren't willing to do long or short form stories in more independent publishers
Did you miss the exodus from Marvel to Image that's been happening?
>>78538445
> alternative
The alternative crowd isn't a part of Marvel or DC with the rare exception of someone like Gilbert Hernandez
>>78533369
Why do people use the term "capeshit"?
Is it because it makes you look "edgy".
>>78538497
>long or short form stories
I'm quite aware of of the Ima...............................................................................................................................................................................................................ge (sorry for that, but that part of the publisher's name had a short delay and had to be rescheduled)
Consistency bother, Image is still a inbetween works solution for most artists (hance the constant delays), expect for people like Kirkman that are already part of the CCO.
>>78538610
By alternative I mean, literally "alternative" as "not something you would ever see in the Big Two", not something that is exactly abstract or with a alternative format of presentation.
>>78538669
It's the /tv/ influence. People will unironically have company wars and call each other MKEK or DCasual.
>>78538669
It's a shot at the bland, regurgitated, insular nature of the hero comics. It's really a dig at the status quo, because how much can one writer do with a character that's been around as long as the reader's grandfather? No matter how good a story arc is, the next writer (or editor) will undo it.
>>78538123
... and the original complaint was that you won't find any Supes awesomeness since the New 52 shite. Dunno what you're on about.
>>78539071
As far as I know the term "cape shit" is used
by people who are angry over the fact that the
comics medium in America is largely associated with the super heroes. If what
you are saying is true the term should
primarily be used by disillusioned writers
and not a bunch of random people at an image board.
>>78539204
No it wasnt, it was "You won't find anything as cool as Pre 52 Superman in New 52." Each of the comics that were listed were at least as cool as Pre 52 Supes for their own reasons, if not then they were cooler.
>>78538445
>The real problem with the monopoly DC and Marvel have over the comics industry is that they also hold a monopoly on the talent of the industry.
>talent
>writing superhero fanfiction
LOL. The writing in the big two's cape comics is fucking terrible.
>>78539286
I didn't read it that way, thought it referred to Superman himself since New 52. The only thing I liked since then was when Supes beat the crap out of Apollo.
>>78539351
Ah, alright, since nothing was specified I figured it was just something cool in general. My favorite memory of new 52 Supes was at the start of the Doomed arc, where he's flying around the planet counting, trying to not be angry, I really liked that. Also God of Strength Supes has been a wonderful delight, if only for reaction pics like this.
>>78537626
>he hasn't read Paktion Comics
>>78533070
W-why can't I like all kinds of comics?
>>78539643
It's haram.
Nah, for real though, I'm with you there. People should read what they want to read.
>>78533416
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
GOOD ONE M8
>>78539682
This. Fucking this so much.
>>78533070
There have been plenty of good storytelling in cape comics, even outside the 2. However, it is a a low right now with marvel and DC. But look back at early 2000s Marvel and compare it it's a sad contrast. Now they have also lost their two best authors so things are going down for them badly.
So things are bad now but haven't always been
>>78533416
You've saw one anime and you've saw them all.
Most of the anime suffer from the same tropes.
>>78533416
Dude, at least people can tell the difference between comic book protagonists.
>>78533070
>Why people still follow and read Marvel and DC comics?
better art, better colorists, better action, much higher speculative value even with vastly higher print runs, better insentive promotions and on top of that 80 years of history (when they want to pretend it's there)
>>78539807
>higher speculative value
It's like I'm really back in the 90's
The art is mediocre and bland
The action is shit because you know none of it matters because its the same old characters doing the same old shit and anything that deviates from the same old boring script will be immediately retconned.
>better insentive promotions
The fact that they need to incentivise it is usually an indicator or poor quality.
>80 years of history
A history that's a shitty, convoluted mess that only spergs don't hate. It's one of the biggest barriers there is when it comes to attracting new readers.
The big two and their capeshit combined with Diamond's monopoly killed comics in the US. Anyone that thinks capeshit is the only reason why comics still exist in the US is a fucking retard. They killed all other competition in the market in an attempt to get a bigger share yet they've fucked up constantly since then and killed the medium as a whole. Their parent companies only keep them around as IP farms for shitty popcorn flicks no one thinks about after they leave the theater. WB and Disney don't give a shit about the comics.
>>78540028
>A history that's a shitty, convoluted mess that only spergs don't hate. It's one of the biggest barriers there is when it comes to attracting new readers.
Just edmit that cape comics are too complicated for you anon.
>>78533208
We pretty much have every food on the planet in this country, so, I'm gonna have to call bullshit on that one pal
>>78539784
>>78539803
jesus christ
So, shitpostshitposting thread?
>>78533070
The trick is to follow creators, not companies.
Sometimes good creators work for Marvel and DC.
>>78541026
>creators
No, you follow runs. A creator who is great on one thing can easily go to shit on another.
>>78540190
>hey this is superman, cool huh?
>after then let's add these into superman, uhh lex luthor, that ginger, don't forget the side plots honey!
>crossover, you bet!
>uhh it's kinda tough, how about superman in 'nam?
>ok, social issues mode, let's put superman with hobos and pretend like it's alan moore
>i don't have any ideas why can't we end up action comics, huh? rebuliding the entire canon, no way!
>now you think about it let's give it a shot!
>ok, we're in the step 1, what are we gonna do now? we've tried anyting in those 70 years with different authors with different stages.
The age of cape comics are already over, anon. Just change Superman with Batman, Thor, Green Lantern, anything you can imagine but it's the same.
>>78541239
Just read the best/important runs and leave the shitty ones alone. It's not that hard to get a character's history.
>>78541366
this.
>>78541100
Following doesn't need to be slavish devotion. Just keeping abreast of what your favorite guys are doing is all.
>>78537626
One of the few selling points for New 52 was Morrison rebooting Superman as a high concept insanity action comic that paid tribute to the lore of the character while making him relevant again and then DC completely ignored it after the run ended.
>>78540028
you want the truth, you got the truth.
people COLLECT comic books, there's a reason for a 75% dip in sales between #1's and #2's, there's a reason why the book that "Changes Everything Forever" or the one that has the most variant covers tops the sales charts over and over again.
>>78541026
This was true and until Hollywood hit comics and both companies completely reformatted to become monthly movie ticket advertisements. The Bronze Age and then the British Invasion guys had a reason to come to the big 2 because they were given the freedom to bring their insanity to the characters they grew up with. There would be no reason for a young Jim Starlin or Alan Moore to write for Marvel or DC over an indie today because some suit would be breathing over their neck the whole time ensuring that every choice they make is in line with their planned ten year future for the movie universe.
Some guys slip through the cracks and get some greatness in but they all learn their lesson in the end. Morrison should have dropped DC ten times but stayed and continued to get shit on because he loves Batman and Superman that much.
>>78541761
>>78541622
>then DC completely ignored it
Too bad they can't find it within themselves to ignore Barry Allen or Hal Jordan. Worst one-dimensional bores ever, replaced by far superior characters who were subsequently ignored or retconned out of existence.
I'm astonished they let Batman have a kid.
>>78541366
>Just read the best/important runs and leave the shitty ones alone. It's not that hard to get a character's history.
Some shit-tier creators get unfathomably long runs. I'd love to see a real writer get ahold of Peter Parker.
>>78533070
>>78533103
Manga is shit AND it's still better than capeshit
>>78533070
Did you just read one single random comic and came here to post all of that?
Or did you just never read anything at all to begin with and your only source is random facts you stumbled over while watching the movies?
>>78541963
>Too bad they can't find it within themselves to ignore Barry Allen or Hal Jordan.
Are you reading comics lately? They don't give two shits to barry or hal, they let them both with the single worst writer they have
>>78541761
Only retards think anything shat out by the big two in the last 30 years will ever be a valuable investment.
Variant covers were a stupid marketing gimmick that should have died when the bubble burst in the 90s.
Name a single variant that's been a good investment recently.
>>78542763
Deadpool Siege cover and the Gwenpool cover.
It's almost like capeshit is the only form where there's a flood of shit whit one or two great products buried in there, right?
Not like that applies to EVERYTHING.
>>78543885
>Not like that applies to EVERYTHING
The amount of shit in cape comics can only be compared with New York sewers. You can't exactly say the same thing on other genres. Don't compare your local trash pile with Great Pacific garbage patch.
>>78544062
Have you ever watched animes?
Have you ever watched annual movies?
Have you ever watched any series premiere?
>>78543885
ALL cape comics are shit. Some is just less shitty than the other capeshit but still absolutely shit compared to the average for other genres and mediums.
>>78544140
Being a pleb is your problem.
>>78544126
The problem of cape comics isn't about the quality. The issue is that the big 2 constantly giving the same formula for nearly 80 years and people don't seem to get tired of it. Sure, it's also shit, but what i don't get is how can you guys manage to eat the same shit and not getting fed up with.
>>78544517
Capeshit is the most pleb shit there is. It doesn't sell well because, unlike cape fans, most people eventually grow up and aren't autistic.
>>78542763
>Only retards think anything shat out by the big two in the last 30 years
make that 25 and i'll agree. there was a ton of influential, valuable arcs produced throughout the 80's.
>>78545260
Again, being a complete utter pleb that doesn't even know what capeshit is and all it encompasses is your problem and not our concern.
Be a pleb all you want, limited pleb scum.
>>78545428
Name a good cape comic.
>>78545465
Current or historic?
>>78545465
Not that anon, but it wouldn't matter if any of us named one. You'd say it's shit because you're biased against cape comics and what they represent. It's fine. I refuse to try some genre's too, but I don't outright dismiss it as shit just because it's not my thing.
>>78533070
It's just not your thing. No harm in that. Personally, I love it! Mainly the really campy stuff though. I don't think you really care why people actually like it though...
>>78533070
Why do you feel the need to put things down just because other people like it? Just talk about what you like. Problem solved.
>>78540028
Then just enjoy the ride! Cape comics are mostly spectacle. Some writers actually do manage to take the "same" approach but make it seem fresh! I mean that's why did for the latest Star Wars and that's not from the big 2. Every story ever has been told. Everything rebooted. I learned that a while ago.
>>78533070
>100's of "different" characters which are actually all the same
Don't I know it.
>>78533070
>storylines that would make a swiss cheese jealous
Ok, i chuckled at here.
>>78545919
That was actually pretty clever for a shitposter!
>>78544768
This. Just answer this capeshit eaters.
>b-but i enjoy them
Asking how, not why.
>>78537626
I think that most people who disregard "capeshit" would be less likely to do so if they actually read it, much as with video games and Steven Spielberg, who said that he wouldn't consider them to be art until the day someone says, "I cried at level 17" (games, such as Final Fantasy VI, that elicit emotional responses in most people have, in actuality been common since the days of the SNES and NES).
>>78533070
>awful cringey jokes
OP, for example, seems as if most of what he knows about the genre came from watching a few MCU movies, which, unlike most actual superhero comics, are comedies.
>>78546747
/co/ shitposters can't read, they can barely write. Look at this fucker>>78546084
Doesn't even know what a vocative is.
They have absolutely no knowledge of comics, their opinion is based on the most superficial futile level. They watch a few scenes of cape movies, maybe skew through two infamous page of bad comics on /co/, so they think they know everything.
They are children stuck in their own plastic bubbles. Like any one individual that disregard an entire genre without knowing it enough to form a solid objective opinion.
I only come here to mock them, laugh at their supposed superiority and maturity, when many of them are weeaboos or adepts of some other random cancerous faggotry.
So they think they are better for liking their shitty hobbies filled with garbage authors while dissing others. We laugh at their expense, the day goes on.
