Do you think the Black Panther movie will keep his radical right wing traditionalist ideology intact? Wakanda is built upon an ideology so far to the right it makes Ayn Rand look like a soft bleeding heart liberal. It's one of my favorite things about the concept.
I have a bad feeling that they're going to botch their portrayal of Wakanda as a setting though.
nope
jews will not allow a rightwing cape
>>78494973
I don't know. Winter Soldier was close, or at least sympathetic to the ideals. They've done a fairly good job keeping Captain America intact in that respect
>>78495117
Iron Man kind of is too, more so in the first one, but his whole character arc is kind of the process of Tony adopting more and more Leftist kind of views until we reach Civil War
>>78495117
>sympathetic to the ideals
In what way?
>>78495493
Anti government paranoia that proves fully justified in the end.
There is no way they will portray him in what the Tumblr crowd would consider to be a negative light. That said, if he is all about the evils of the white man and the necessary for Wakanda to be isolationist because white people are savages (just look at slavery!) I can see them nodding along to that.
>>78495588
I refuse to believe that the Leftist influence is that strong.
>>78495966
What will go through is what makes money, and what will keep the Twitter crowd happy. For whatever reason, their signing off on it will make or break it online and that's what matters. The opposite perspective can just be written off as bigots and ridiculed.
>>78494934
Odin has been a controlling ass (still less so than recent comics), so I see no reason why they won't go that way with BP
>>78496071
I really am worried about this movie. Instead of letting T'Challa be a truly unique individual person, they will sacrifice any differentiation from the collective and make him represent the experience of all black men, just like they did with Carol Danvers and the collective of women
>>78496206
They probably botched Odin worse than any character they've done thus far
>>78496071
Hopefully they learned that they can never please the tumblarinas when Josh "My mother touched me" Whedon was thrown under the bus after AoU.
>>78496248
I think you're right. He might be a bit serious, but that's it.
>We Batman now
Expect clickbait articles how about Panther is the Batman for 2015+1 - and far better than Affleck or Bale. Also lots of talk about how sexy he is.
>>78496268
not when you compare it to the current run of Thor...which has botched Odin even worse
>>78494934
>Do you think the Black Panther movie will keep his radical right wing traditionalist ideology
No because you made it up
>>78496071
>what will keep China happy
Fixed. You clearly spend too much time on 4chan /tumblr/reddit (aka the Trifecta of Autism) if you think twitter is remotely important to the people making these movies outside of a slight footnote for their western marketing department to utilize for the sake of shilling.
>>78496375
Twitter is the mouthpiece of Tumblr. If Tumblr hates something it doesn't inherently mean anything. Give them the power to reach out and influence the wider world, and they're a force to be reckoned with.
>>78496332
>Also lots of talk about how sexy he is.
Im unfortunate to have to follow a ton of the hyper left twitter people, and its so weird how often they (both female and het males) do this to any black man of note in a film. Its like some weird form of white guilt
>>78496420
>Twitter is the mouthpiece of Tumblr
Twitter is far less homogeneous than Tumblr, Tumblr has a pretty specific political, age and gender breakdown, nowdays pretty much everyone uses Twitter
>>78496461
That's essentially my point: Twitter is where Tumblr is heard by the wider world. You're follows sound gross, by the way.
>>78496361
I don't think so. If you read the philosophy of Julius Evola, a radical right wing traditionalist, the social order he describes as ideal is reflected very closely in Wakanda. He describes a strict hierarchical society ruled by an oligarchy of warrior priests which uphold the Traditions of their culture as transcendent thought forms derived from the archetypes that have permeated our minds since classical antiquity.
The Black Panther order is this Warrior Priesthood, and the society of Wakanda is staunchly hierarchical and Traditional. It's a pretty great example of a radical Traditionalist civilization
>>78495493
In the way that HYDRA was basically Obama.
>>78494934
Well having characters with different beliefs gives the characters weight and shade. Characters like Steve, Wanda, T'Challa, Tony etc are very much shaped by their past and their beliefs stem from that so its important to acknowledge that.
>>78496648
It feels like Wakanda has been pussied up in the comics over the last few years
>>78495117
But Leftists are as suspicious of governments as those on the Right. Each side thinks the other are state goons.
Conservatives tend to give millitarism a free pass, while Leftists tend to give social control a free pass.
>Marvel
>leftist
>ever
>>78496799
It has, because most of these new writers don't really understand the concept or know how to write it. Black Panther and his whole world is actually pretty nuanced and complex. I don't know why it baffles so many writers
>>78496805
Depends on how extreme on the Left or the Right you're looking. If you go far enough on either side, you'll find people that want to tear the whole system down, just for different ideological reasons
>>78496909
What do you mean?
>>78494934
Its a comic
GET OVER IT FAGGOY
You dont see brown people hating nortic folktale cus its a fantasy
>>78494934
i think they will keep the ideology of a militant switzerland, which is essentially what wakanda is
the fact that duvernay and marvel disagreed and she left the project is a GOOD thing. she most likely wanted panther to be a social commentary and black life in america, but marvel seems like they want to go with his-own-agenda-give-0-fucks-about-america panther instead
which is the most based panther of them all
>>78497490
Black Panther is one of my favorite superheroes though. I'm desperate to see a perfectly portrayed Wakanda
>>78497612
Black Panther is a goddamn Warrior King fighting geopolitical battles while carrying the responsibility of his people's way of life in the eyes of the world. He's a character that is far beyond street level conflicts
That costume looks pretty rad by the way
>>78497660
Jungle Action was the shit
>>78496341
He's a powerful male, he must be evil!
Sure he's the god of wisdom and sacrifice but HEY WHY NOT HA HA HA
>>78494934
They will do whatever gets them best PR.
>>78499822
It really is
>>78496206
Odin is white. Black heroes aren't allowed to be xenophobic and elitist.
>>78494934
>Do you think the Black Panther movie will keep his radical right wing traditionalist ideology intact?
Depends on the script and the director.
If Marvel ever manages to come up with either of them.
>>78500068
Because reverse racism isnt real
>>78494934
I hope so. Then maybe casuals will realize that T'challa is a near-radical, awful person and stop liking him.
>>78500192
>reverse racism
It's just racism you mong
>>78500214
Those are the characteristics that make him interesting and unique as a character though
>>78500214
The thing is T'challa and a bunch of Wakandans aren't actually right wing like that.
>>78500372
>T'challa
He is under any writer that knows what the fuck Wakanda is meant to be, instead of city of the magic enlightened blacks
>>78500427
He literally isn't anon what are you reading?
Whats Ironic is that its the writers that you described that actually write him like that
>>78500496
What do you think T'Challa is all about then?
>>78500427
He isn't though, not even under Priest; he rules over a society that's a lot like that and he has to rein in their worst impulses
>>78500588
He still shares their beliefs though. It's not like he's opposed to the Traditions of Wakanda.
>>78496648
And T'Challa is trying to move them AWAY from that culture and get them to join the global community.
You can't just conveniently ignore that fact when it suits you man.
>>78494934
>portray a powerful black nation
>in a negative way
I'm black and even I know there is 0% chance of that happening. Prepare for isolated-nation-because-the-world-isn't-ready-for-our-technology the state.
>>78500709
Wouldn't that make them worse, though? Because this isn't Latveria we're talking about, sitting pretty in northern Europe. This is an advanced country sitting in the middle of Africa and just letting all the civil wars and dictatorships and misery happen because "they aren't ready for us".
>>78494934
I can't tell if this is bait or not, desu.
Forgive me, since to my understanding T'Challa has been virtually retconned two and a half times and I certainly haven't read them all, but from the couple of series I've read T'Challa is an enigmatic leader for Wakanda because he downplayed the traditionalism in and immediately began outsourcing Wakandan resources and monetizing Vibranium and shit against the wish of basically everyone with any say?
Granted his nation was always his topmost priority, he is not an isolationist socially. He's taken in refugees from neighboring tribes, and has bouts of personal allegiance to non-Wakandan causes that come at odds with his leadership status.
>>78496648
Wasn't Evola's whole deal basically focused on anti-modernity and idealized regression with a bunch of racism sprinkled in?
That seems more up T'Chaka's alley.
>>78500635
No, he's still defending the culture and Traditions of Wakanda on a global stage. He has never wanted to institute globalization on his people. It would be a total betrayal of his role as King to do that
>>78500764
They aren't ready for Wakanda. Why do you think Wakanda needs to imperialistically impose its authority on other nations currently experiencing a civil war?
>>78500764
Yeah, if Wakanda was a good nation like the US it would use it's tremendous resources prop up dictators with a history of brutal acts in these nations, to serve Wakandan interests, and perhaps even sell drugs acquired from these nations to the burgeoning market of drug users in Wakanda itself.
That's the good Western way to do things.
>>78500788
Yeah, a lot of recent writers have made T'Challa betray his people and his culture on dubious moral grounds that are hilariously simplistic in their conception. He would never globalize Wakanda or sell Vibranium. He brings Wakanda into the future, but he does not betray the ideals of his people
>>78500788
Evola wanted to form a civilization that was ordered towards the ideals that made the civilizations of classical antiquity great. He had an ideology of racial supremacy, but it was based upon a spiritual conception of race, where what mattered wasn't the primary physical characteristics like skin, hair or eye color, but the inner characteristics of an individual, as in how they live and how they think
>>78500764
5 minute scene back in BP's childhood will explain how horribly wrong going into a country even with good intentions can go wrong.
I actually want to have hope for this movie but it was killed in the womb the moment Marvel decided only a black director can handle it.
>>78500966
Well because Marvel's Wakanda is almost assuredly going to fit the American mold where Africa is just "the black continent" and Africans are all just "black" rather than Nigerians, Rwandans, Kenyans, Somalians or even Igbos, Hutus etc. Consequently in a story about a utopian black nation, it must be both assumed and propounded that such a nation identifies as black rather than any national or tribal identity and seeks to safeguard the welfare of all black people in some kind of Israel-style deal.
So Wakandans going "the savages can't deal with us yet, let them murder each other in the meanwhile" would go against that idea. It's not what a certain section of the audience and observers want from a utopian black nation, and Marvel must know that.
>>78500927
>>78501023
As someone that enjoys reading Debbie Schlussel movie reviews because I like seeing what people with different opinions than me think about art, I'm enjoying this thread, but you're projecting quite a bit.
WE WUZ PANTHERS AND SHIT
>>78501186
It's unfortunate, but you're right. Last thing they'd want to see is a complex and individuized story set in Africa that doesn't check all the bleeding heart boxes
>>78501224
Maybe a bit, as I have a very specific conception of T'Challa, but Black Panther is not meant to be a man that dismantles his peoples Traditions
>>78501176
Seriously. These matters arent as simple as people want them to be, even the cancer cure
>>78501186
Would be fun to have a coalition of belgium/portugal/france forcing wakanda to stay out of african colonial politics at the threat of war. Wakanda still gets to look like they care about other africans and get to look like they are being oppressed.
>>78496670
I think you meet
>Obama is basically HYDRA!
>>78502766
But that's then. What about now? Like, what did Wakanda do during the Rwandan genocide? Did they bother trying to stop the Janjaweed from killing black tribes in Sudan?
These movies are designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator. It has to please as many people as possible, so there's no room for anything remotely controversial, subtle or complex in them.
So yeah, they'll botch it. The movie itself will be watchable, but it won't be anything special.
>>78494934
I don't know a lot about the character, what's his radical right wing traditionalist ideology, in a nutshell?
>>78504949
Any nation that is ruled under authority that is derived from divinity is a radical traditionist state. The Black Panther order is an elitist oligarchy that sits at the top of the strict hierarchy of Wakanda
>>78504949
The various Wakandan tribes believe they are genetically superior to the rest of mankind and that their borders must be guarded against the infiltration of savages and inferiors. This is the will of the Panther God and it is the duty of the Black Panther to enforce that status quo.
Wakanda is going to be a socialist paradise that uses all it's vibranium money to give everything to the people for free, just you wait and see.
>>78505549
They're kind of like the ancient Israelites
