Naive question. Why does everybody agree Rob Liefeld and Greg Land are talentless hacks but pic-related is totally fine and progressive and nice art? How is drawing like a 8yo better than tracing porn or not being able to draw feet?
CITATIONS PLEASE.
>>78357573
Because that's not like an 8 year old and there's still certain skillful qualities in that style whereas Land and Liefeld are just hack.
I don't like Pulido's style but I can atleast see it's a style rather than a complete inability to draw.
>>78357628
>that's not like an 8 year old
9 year old?
>>78357656
I'd honestly like to see a 9 year old draw like that.
Because Rob Liefeld has a tenuous grasp on human anatomy and Greg Land references things so hard he may as well be tracing them, which ends up looking WAY off.
The only thing that's really off with what you posted is the bizarrely off-center eyes.
>>78357573
Because Land is a lazy artist who just traces. With Liefeld you could argue it's all part of his distinct signature art style, but even then he does still have some clear trouble with drawing anatomy properly. Pulido on the other hand has a very solid grasp of storytelling and using his style effectively to tell a story. You might not like his style but he is a competent storyteller. Land can't be bothered to interesting layouts because he relies so much on reusing the same poses over and over again and Rob's strength has always been been super splashy and bombastic emotion rather than fine understanding of storytelling. Plus Rob's a bit infamous for tracing shit directly from other comic book artists.
>>78357695
Yeah, Pulido is a solid storyteller.
Are you upset they turned down your submission for the 37th time op?
>>78357573
Someone got paid to draw this. Like wat.
You're part of hivemind if you hate Land and Liefeld.
>>78357717
what submission?
>>78357573
>Liefeld
>one of the most influential and popular artists of an entire decade
>talentless hack
>>78357802
I never hated Liefeld because it's obvious that, for all his flaws, he cares about what he does and is very proud of it. I can't agree with him on most topics but this kind of commitment isn't something one can hate.
He's kinda like Geoff Johns except he's an artist who stuck in his own 90s.
>>78357860
>one of the most influential and popular artists of an entire decade
>can't even draw a proper damn foot
>>78357882
and that's why that decade was shit
>>78357573
I don't like any of the three.
>>78357942
nice try imagebaby/marvel lackey
I feel like Pulido is a competent artist who got consumed by his own style and/or laziness over time.
>>78357573
It's like he's trying to emulate Steve Ditko and Jack Kirby, but doesn't know how to use shadows properly, and just leaves everything to the colorist.
>>78358028
why would imagebabies cry about the 90s? This was the time of their rise.
>>78357573
a good colorist wouldn't hurt
Is >>78358033 the same "artist" from OP?
>>78358033
Seems like laziness.
>>78357714
Does he draw on 5x8in paper or something? Why are the lines that fucking thick?
>>78358028
Jesus, you don't even know what you're complaining about. Did you just see this thread, go "uh-oh, I don't know anything about art or comics, how am I going to shitpost? Oh yes! A DC picture! I guess I'll bust out the ol' console war faggotry!"
Straight pathetic to be quite honest family.
>>78358069
Yeah, lower right corner has his signature.
>>78357573
pulido is great check his splash page with she-hulk and daredevil.
>>78357670
I'd like to see OP try to draw like that. If he can't, then, by his own accord, a 9 years old will be better than him.
>>78358722
kids draw better than adults.
I seem to recall a fair amount of critics saying that readers may be put off by the "wonky" art in She-Hulk.
Which is a shame, Soule really did deserve better art. But Pulido has done some really excellent stuff in the past as well.
But really I wish the cover artist on Soule's She-Hulk had done the interiors as well.
>>78358930
Kevin Wada so far has just been an illustrator. He might not even be a good comic artist.
I think Pulido and Liefeld are both very talented and I'm a fan of their work. When Land actually draws he's pretty good.
>>78359074
Land hasn't drawn for decades, we've no way of knowing what it'd look like now.
I liked the she-hulk book but definitely not for this art. There was an issue or two during this run where Pulido wasn't the artist and it was a million times worse.
The She Hulk run referenced in OP was one of my favorite cape series in recent years. The art served the tone of the writing perfectly. 2bqho, I think the art gets a lot of hate because waifufags can't jack off to it :/
>>78359153
I've jerked off to worse art
>>78359153
>subverting word filters
>>>/trash/
>>78359153
I refuse to believe there are no people who jerked off too Unbeatable Squirrel Girl. So Pulido's art is not a stretch to imagine.
I really hated that art in the first issue but it grew on me. It's stylized but his paneling and stuff are great.
There's a lot of shitty professional comic art out there. You can't expect people to fixate on it for books that they don't care about.
Since this is sort of an art thread. People complained about not being able to tell what was going on in this page and said it was a bad action scene. What is wrong with it because I don't see the problem.
>>78357573
It's the current fad to hire people for progresiveness, for the PR, and not for talent.
If you try to go against the fad right now you are deemed to be gamergator by your peers.
So right now they are getting a free ride and they are riding the shit out of it.
In the future, the kids who have been forced to tolerate this, will be free to speak their minds because they JUST DON'T GIVE A FUCK about our generations modern trends. They will have their own futurenet channels and pages and shows and they will tear all this garbage to shreds and mock the shitty art relentlessly and they will have fun while doing so.
Just like how we are mocking 90s comic art and edginess right now.
>>78359445
Only issue I can tell is the bullet is hard to read in the final panel due to its size and lack of reference points in the background. But it's minor, I can read it
>>78359445
It took me about half a dozen times to realize what the fourth panel was. For the life of me it looked like someone delivering some kind of open-palm strike to a dude's knee or elbow.
>>78359445
what is it with modern artists using that ben-day dots like filter
>>78360909
A mild fetish for the old school print techniques.
>>78357802
Liefeld used to try and since he never had any formal training his art came off as really earnest and passionate. He's not a good artist (although I always saw some talent in him) but he's not a hack. Land is most definitely a lazy hack who deserves every single ounce of hate he gets.
>>78358930
>Soule really did deserve better art
No he didn't. A shit writer gets shit art, it's perfect.
>>78359087
If you're talking about Wimberly that's some astonishing shit taste you got there.
>b-but muh She-Hulk wasn't pretty!
Fuck off.
>>78360714
There's nothing "progressive" about this art, you mongrel. Think before you subject us to your stupidity.
This guy is so much better than Pullido. Love how kinetic he is and all the weird angles and fisheye he's put in there. I generally don't mind Muntsa Vicente, but he probably did kick Pullido down the notch also, since I do not remember thinking him bad with Hollingworth on Hawkeye. Ronald Wimberly blew me and his issues are the only good parts on She-Hulk.
Soule needs to fucking realize he ain't writing a script for sitcom, he often relies on comedic timing of actors, but that just does not work, especially not with someone as static as Pullido or when you put the set up and the punch line in the same panel.
Pic related
Either way, I cannot fathom how this got on so many Top Ten lists for 2014.
>>78357573
>everybody agree
Stop. Projecting.
Stop. Assuming. Ignorantly.
>>78361177
>>78361171
This shit's too anime.
Anime is fucking awful.
Anime is a plague that needs to be purged from all modern art.
>>78361428
>Ronald Wimberly
>anime
Christ.
>>78357628
Bullshit. Pulido is a talentless hack that can only draw people in profile.
In ten years people are going to look at bullshit like this the same way we look at 90's Liefeld.
>>78361439
Yeah anime.
Look at that overuse of foreshortening, the focus on intensity and energy in action over proper anatomy and proper non-awkward posing.
Shit's western wannabe anime.
No class at all.
>>78361576
>stylization is always bad and only for weebs!
Christ.
Land straight up makes boring pages and traces so he is really trash
Liefeld has at least some sort of charm to him because he draws like a teenager drawing on their homework. I can get behind that because it's a whole lot more interesting than Land but it doesn't mean it's good.
Pullido makes great pages but his faces are just kind of weird. He's similar to Marcos Martin and that East of West guy who /co/ dig. Literally all /co/ cries about when talking about Pullido is that they can't find She-Hulk attractive but the guy makes good looking comics.
>>78361625
For fuck's sake...
>It's muh style!! I don't need to know how to draw!!!
Did you just really go there?
>>78361171
Too bad Ron won't work for Marvel or DC anymore
>>78359445
Good storytelling.
>>78361576
>Look at that overuse of foreshortening, the focus on intensity and energy in action over proper anatomy and proper non-awkward posing.
That's not anime. That's animation. This has nothing to do with "weebism" as you tell it.
>>78361753
But he does know how to draw, I wouldn't be surprised to know you haven't read a single Wimberly comic in your life.
>>78361171
What's wrong with their eyes? Eyes don't work that way.
Pulido's art can pass off as stylized, but I don't get how he gets away with drawing for cape comic books. All of his art looks so goddamn static, nothing seems like it's in motion and it just sucks away all the action.
>>78359445
At first I thought he was trying to fire the bullet back because his gun shaped hand. Then I realized after the second read he was cutting it in half.
I dunno, man. It's just not really a clear example of story telling. I feel it's just a poor example of character motion. Panels 3 and 4 really need to be reworked.
>>78361819
>nothing to do with "weebism"
http://images.lmgtfy.com/?q=Imaishi
>>78361177
>>78361439
Nigga you gonna really try to argue that Ron doesn't have obvious Japanese influence in his work?
>>78361828
Shit's like the jungle book
>>78357882
his arms look like shredded beef
>>78361901
Why are all black nerds weebs anyway?
>>78361199
Seriously. I mean I've honestly yet to see anyone who actually found this art good
>>78361934
>Why are all black nerds weebs anyway?
Why are white people weebs?
>>78361171
wimberly is based, they should put him on a blade comic if they ever make one again
>>78361428
I disagree!
>>78362019
That's not allowed you fagit.
>>78361919
Lewd.
>>78361885
>I thought he was trying to fire the bullet back because his gun shaped hand
I don't see how you got that from panel four. The motion blurs on the hand has it swinging down and the bullet has a circle trail showing that it is going towards his fingers not away. Even panel three has his hand starting in an upwards position to further indicate that it was swinging down.
>>78358037
I'm not sure how you emulate Kirby and Ditko at the same time.
>>78360842
I still don't know what the fourth panel is.
>>78361140
I love Prince of Cats to death but those She-Hulk issues were hideous. And not even talking Jen's face or figure.
>>78362460
Oh now I see what the fourth panel was. Why is the angle so weird? Why are his index and middle finger bent back so far? Why does the frame cut off the top and side of his head? Fuck.
>>78357692
As an avid fan of She-Hulk, agreed.
Have some anime-style fan art based on the same run.
>>78361962
Whites have variety. Are there any black anti-weebs like there are whites?
>>78358816
>kids draw better than adults.
... so it was a compliment all along?
>Man, look, at great Jack Kirby. He really drew like a five year old.
>>78362620
What exactly is a weeb anyway? I used to think it was a crazy obsession with anime, and related material. Now it seems that any mention of anime gets the label.
>>78362887
It started as obsessive wapanese nerds and just slang for anime fans.
It's not bad art, it's different from what you're use to, which is superhero comic house style.
Land and Liefield are bad because they're bad at doing that traditional house style.
>>78357882
Bibi to distract you from that cancerous arm
>>78361177
>Either way, I cannot fathom how this got on so many Top Ten lists for 2014.
Yes you can. This is the tumblr era of comics and shit artists and writers are praised to no end.
>>78363019
>house style
Does that even exist anymore?
>>78363233
Yes, it's just that most people who draw like that are so generic and forgettable nobody remembers them.
>>78361224
Not only is it kitschy as all fuck, he's just cutting and pasting
>>78363233
Yes, and clearly it's what OP wants from his capes.
Fortunately, times are changing and more artists with a variety of styles are being given books these days.
>>78357573
>get a load of this idiot
Where were you when that run first came out? Most of /co/ hated that art and couldn't stop bitching and moaning about it.
You picked the stupidest example to try and prove your point to /co/.
>>78357573
Pulido's one of the better artists working in the mainstream nowadays. Nice clean style, not over-rendered at all, economical, solid storytelling abilities and lovely inks. Not to mention a good sense of page design...he just has to work on some aspects of anatomy more I think, like faces and feet, as you said. Liefeld is all (terrible) style and no substance, all that over-rendered inking, why use one line when 2000 will do, no foundational drawing skills at all, one of the worst things that ever happened to mainstream comics.
>>78358033
I ould just call it refining his style like a lot of cartoonists do as they get older and more experienced. Knowing what you leave out is just as important as what you put in. And that drawing displays all of the same virtues of his art now, only difference is he's much more refined nowadays. He has a very much more "classic" style now and i think he's better than he's ever been.
whats going on in this thread ?
>>78363273
That was a edit made by cutting and pasting you dingus
>>78363310
There were a lot of apologists at the time though
>>78363324
>Pulido's one of the better artists working in the mainstream nowadays
Objectively wrong. The industry is so fucking full of outstanding artist that even if this were the Pulido of a few years back he would still not be near the top. And recently he's gotten lazy so his work looks outright bad now.
>>78357876
Except Johns is flawless. :^)Seriously though, he's much better than Liefeld.
>>78361177
>those eyes
Okay, c'mon, those are indefensible, right?
>>78363430
If I was at home, on my main computer I would have dumped my entire EH folder.
And maybe some Jenffer's Show as a pallete cleanser.
>>78363887
Well, personally I think it's full of mediocre, bland and boring artists who just want to make pretty pictures...nothing wrong with that as an aspiration but Pulido is a great storyteller and more of a cartoonist than an illustrator. Which is what a great deal of mainstream artists are in my opinion, illustrators and not cartoonists. So, yeah, there may well "objectively" be this industry full of outstanding, better ARTISTS than Pulido but not that many who actually play to the strengths of the medium, who cartoon, like he does.
>>78363986
They're bad but they're not everything. Also shit coloring but that's not Pulidos fault
>>78361828
she's bein hypnotized senpai
>>78363300
>>78363270
But is it even house style when majority of artists on books aren't even following it?
>>78364219
>Pulido is a great storyteller
no
>>78357628
Fuck you.
If there was no Liefeld there would be no Image. His style may be not your taste, but it was affective for the time he worked at peak performance.
>>78364802
It's just the term that stuck since it definitely became the "house style" between Marvel and DC around the late 70's. It pretty much just means "generic superhero art" (not that it can't be done right), for some examples look at Jim Lee, Ivan Reis, Jason Fabok, David Finch and Jim Cheung, among several others.
>>78364912
>If there was no Liefeld there would be no Image
And that's a bad thing how?
I don't like that art, but I can also realize that it's not trying to go for semi-realism like Land and Liefeld attempt.
>>78358101
He uses an inkbrush most likely. It gives your lines a more painterly look.
>>78361791
Why? Are you afraid to read non DC/Marvel comics?
I'd like to point out that in Comics especially, there's more than just how you draw/render a scene, it's a lot about how you compose it and how panels transition to one-another, and generally how you tell a story with visuals.
So many people on this board forget that. Maybe it's a general lack of experience reading in this medium, I don't know. Every time we talk about art in comics, so few people bring this fact up. Comics are SEQUENTIAL art, not just art in a vacuum.
>>78357573
If it makes you feel better, I don't agree, I think they're all shit.
>>78363430
Honestly I feel like most people hate this comic because the artist usually draws Squirrel Girl to look kinda ugly; which is fine, we can hate it for that, but /co/ generally tends to focus on that, rather than anything else in the comic whenever we talk about it.
>>78365453
It'd be one thing if she drew Squirrel Girl to look ugly but she doesn't, she draws everyone to look ugly. Even people who are supposed to be hot, are very ugly. Also from last I saw it, it's pretty inconsistent. Not even in a exaggeration for cartoonish affect inconsistent, everything just seems out of control.
>>78365453
everyone's faces look the same in this comic
>>78357573
Look dude, I'm not saying this is really that beautiful, but it you can't tell why this is bad, and why its still better than liefeld, you lack a fundamental understanding of art and you may just be retarded.>>78357573
>>78365416
Yeah Anon my point exactly. It's not just about pretty pictures. I know the notion of medium specificity is considered old-hat academically nowadays but the better comic artists and cartoonists play to the strengths of the medium, comics can do things and produce effects that other media can't. The best cartoonists exploit this to the fullest.
>>78365322
Funny that the "industry standard" in inking brushes is actually made for watercolours (the Windsor & Newton Series 7).
>>78365114
Maybe it means that to some people but the "house style" arose in the days before creators were credited as an easy visual identifier--kids would think: "that's a Dell comic" or "that's a Timely comic" or whatever...then when capes became the dominant force Marvel and DC developed very strong individual art styles...y'know "How To Draw Comics The Marvel Way" originated from a series of photostats put together (on Stan Lee's insistence) by Romita and Buscema (I think) as a guide for new artists to stay "on style"?
>>78364845
Well, he's a good one at least--taste in art is subjective but whether an artist can visually convey a story or not?-that's unarguable. I mean look at that mess of a page Anon posted
>>78359445, that is shitty storytelling whichever way you put it.
>>78361171
He's not to my taste and for the life of me I don't know why all the big artcomics guys like Santoro etc love Wimberley. He's not terrible at all but I just don't like his art.
>>78359445
I could tell right away what was going on (mind you I've an artist my whole life) when reading in sequence for the first time, but on your post I looked at the fourth panel first and couldn't really tell what exactly was going on. The reason is all on his body in the back. It looks way to straight and slender and you can't even see the arm progressing towards the screen to end in his hand. You can't tell it's a person there, it looks like an object. But if you follow the panels it shouldn't be a problem.
>>78365453
No it's because everyone is ugly and the backgrounds are usually just solid colors. It's shit art
>>78361177
He fucked so bad on those She Hulk comics that it looks like it was on purpose.
How hard it is to make two eyes point in the same direction?
>>78363430
Wow, I could barely tell the difference between the original and that satire art with her retarded face.
>>78359445
it's the fourth panel it doesn't look like anything at a glance
>>78368691
It's "readable" but it's still inarguably shit storytelling.
>>78369290
How so? What would you change?
>>78357628
From the background they're supposed to be going upwards but he actually drew She-Hulk/Hellcat as if they were moving forward. That's straight up bad art.
>>78357882
I think at this point Rob's doing the foot thing on purpose. It's part of his "thing" and you don't put Liefeld on a book without knowing what you're getting.
>>78359061
Yeah, for the most part you never want to hire guys based exclusively on their ability to draw nice pin-ups. Otherwise you get artists like Ron Wimberly or Kris Anka who can't do interior art to save their lives (or design costumes in Anka's case).
Pulido's upcoming SW looks a lot better.
>>78369865
What colorist is gonna butcher it?
>>78369865
I don't care for the faces but a vast improvement over OP to me.
Somehow even Dillon's SW stuff looks great for him.
That title is actual magic.
>>78369943
Jordan Bellaire is the colourist I think.
>>78369965
I read the first issue it was garbage
>>78365453
It's because the art is the most notable thing about it. The book itself would be bad without it due to North's shitty "I'M WRITING A WEBCOMIC FOR PRINT" writing style but the art eclipses it to such an insane degree that you get people who honestly think it'd be good with a different artist.
That's how bad the art is.
>>78369965
How bad is Dillon normally?
>>78362598
Weeb
>>78369587
For a start I'd make it more obvious what's happening in the fourth panel...there's no need for the second panel, it's utterly superfluous, we know guns fire bullets, right? Now, remember, I'm taking this as a page, I haven't seen the pages that come before or after, I don't know the character (I genuinely don't)...also the bullet looks more like a cannon ball...a bullet doesn't change it's shape until it's hit something, does it? I mean, whatever round is in the handgun (Glock?). I genuinely thought it was a leg in the fourth panel and the last is just lazy drawing and bad use of foreshortening that makes me think: "where did the potato come from?". Also the sequence would be served better by more strongly vertical panels, longer and thinner, and there's no "leading of the eye" whatsoever.
>>78370079
Dillon being bad is a /co/ meme that's grown over the years with the whole "sameface" thing but, again, solid storyteller who's guilty of phoning it in once too often. I mean, he's getting on, I actually remember his stuff from the mid eighties and always dug his Dredd stuff and his Doctor Who and Axel Pressbutton comics and he cared about the work then. Now, not so much...
>>78370079
aside from same facing he is fine
Rudy is doing issue #2 of SW.
>>78369764
you're wrong, they are jumping away you idiot
>>78375982
>>78358033
I feel the same way about Romita Jr.
>>78363986
would you say
>irredeemable ?
>>78369865
till some marvel slave colors it with the paint bucket and word gradient colors
