>inb4 "just throw in the trash lel", this thread is for constructive purposes. Serious input or GTFO
Hypothetical: you are an executive working at Cartoon Network around 2013. A young woman named Rebecca Sugar comes to you pitching her original series. She shows you a series bible, proposed scripts for episodes, storyboards, basically you get to see everything that happens before anyone else. However, you decide to step in and say "Rebecca, this is fine and all but let's look through this to see what works and doesn't work." You have the power in this moment to suggest any changes to her that would improve the overall product and, knowing your presence and input helps in ensuring her series is picked up, she takes you on board as a creative consultant.
Let's take a good, hard look at the entire series and see how we can improve the overall product. I think a good place to start would be establishing the world first, and then the characters. "Gem Glow" would start out with a flashback to the end of the wars and the Crystal Gems advancing to victory. But Rose Quartz would not be shown, only mentioned. The early episodes do a good job of making her into an ethos rather than a logos. So we can talk about how great a commander Rose is, how great her plans for the future are, and her plans to make peace with the humans et cetera. After showing the losing Homeworld forces discussing how they'll come back stronger then ever and Crystals enjoying the spoils of war, we can then fast-forward to Steven's life in the here and now. "Laser Light Cannon" feels very much like it should be part of that episode rather than a separate one.
Cartoon Network approached Sugar for a series pitch
Doing that immediately demystifies Rose.
A big part of the series is that Steven really doesn't know who she is, (and by proxy neither does the audience), only hears second-hand accounts from people who knew her.
>>78331227
Welp there goes the entire show
>After showing the losing Homeworld forces discussing how they'll come back stronger then ever and Crystals enjoying the spoils of war, we can then fast-forward to Steven's life in the here and now.
lol nigga the show barely about lore it's about Steven's fucking life, that's how the plot progression works, it's through his perspective
>>78331227
But the gems are monosexual anon.
Get rid of Amethyst and replace her with a cool , muscular, mountain of a "male" gem named Onyx. This show needs more positive male representation.
>>78331160
My only real complaint about the world building is how there isn't a particularly solid explanation of how people view gem magic.
The gems have been around for so long that magic is publicly known, but seen as something to keep your distance from. But a lot of characters act like they've never heard of the Crystal Gems and just casually accept the weird phenomena related to them.
Is there other magical interference out there? Did the war change enough of the rest of the world that everywhere deals with something strange, or is it just Beach City? Does the government not care? Nitpicks, etc.
Either there's something that hasn't been revealed about the state of the rest of the planet, or I'm just overthinking it.
>add earth defense force gems to rival the crystal gems and only hear of them until the time comes for war when they show up with great talent and skill.
>>78331556
It's just a fact of life for them. It's a force of nature and they know better than to bother dealing with any of that stuff.
That would also kinda explain why Ronaldo was so upset when he found out the Gems caused the weird stuff. They're something in their lives that are supposed to be weird and is publicly known.
>>78331640
That's the running joke of Ronaldo's character. There's all this magical conflict happening around him, but the gems are considered commonplace so he looks for something weirder.
But if the gems and their fighting was an accepted factor of everyday life, then you'd think that everyone would have already heard of them.
>>78331160
That sounds like a terrible idea. Reducing the gem war to an expository flashback before we're invested in any of the characters or their struggles is a waste.
I'm not sure how you got logos out of Rose Quartz, considering everything we've seen from her so far emphasizes love above all else. Logic is probably her least emphasized attribute, considering she incited a rebellion at the cost of countless gems' lives.
Make every character a robot with visibly mechanical parts and fusions have toyetic designs where built out of parts of the individuals.
why would you rewrite a series that has just started
>>78331494
Have Steven die and be absolutely pulverized in the first episode forever along with all the shitty human characters
Focus on gems doing cool stuff and fighting villains of the week
Gem wars shit as a loose plot thread
>>78331160
make all the gems guys, but not gays or weird things
Get rid of the entire plot line and just have a sitcom with less PC.
>>78331556
I've made the point before that the world would have a very deep-seated global cultural trauma associated with Gem-related things. Fusions literally shook the ground beneath their feet as they fought, and Gem superweapons were (likely) responsible for altering the landscape on a continental scale, all at a time when humanity was barely getting on its feet, civilization-wise.
There are still lots of corrupted Gems roaming around in the wild, and an abundance of ruins that would kill the absolute shit out of any archaeologist who dared set foot in one. Humanity in SU is aware of the "supernatural" and the alien, but they're content to mind their own business for the most part, because they feel all too clearly the terror passed down through history by their ancestors. They've seen the ancient murals in museums depicting gods that dwarf humans both in size and power, and they know from their history lessons and from the scars left on their planet that these gods were real, and that there are still remnants of their wars which are better left untouched.
>>78331494
SHOO SHOO CHOCOLATE GAINS GOLEM
Increase the innuendo and oblique sexual references. Find the exact limit of what can be pushed past the censors.
>>78332772
>Find the exact limit of what can be pushed past the censors.
RS beat you to it. Besides that's not gonna happen with a kid as the MC.
>>78332817
>RS beat you to it.
lol they payed the fucking price
>>78332833
>>78332859
the show lives up to it's name nowadays
>>78332893
Your opinion has nothing to do with what I said.
My suggestions would be:
>Make Amethyst less fat, less short and stocky, less disgusting and immature, and get rid of her disgusting allergic reaction lips
>Get rid of Garnet's third eye, make her talk more and have an actual personality, reduce hip size, get rid of square hairdo, and have somebody else voice her entirely
>Get rid of Pearl's pointy nose, or at least reduce the pointiness.
>Make Jasper shorter, get rid of her tumblr nose, and make her less of a steroid diesel dyke
>Make Lapis less emo.
>Make Sadie taller and get rid of her disgusting fatness.
>Make the Pizza sisters white
>Remove Stephen entirely or make him a completely different character. If you keep him, make him less fat, make him less annoying, less feminine, less stupid, less hyper, less everything that makes him the annoying little fuck he is currently
>Give Connie bigger tits
>>78333476
>>Get rid of Garnet's third eye, make her talk more and have an actual personality, reduce hip size, get rid of square hairdo, and have somebody else voice her entirely
Shit taste desu
>>78331160
The only thing I would do would be to scrath the Connie learn how to swordfight.
I just can't sudpend my disbelive on this one. She will never have the skill to fight thousand year old beeings with enough stenth to pulverize rocks. But for some reason she will be able to stand her ground. She is suppost to be Stevens anchor to his human side, so she shouldn't go into the gem stuff.
Also Sadies song never happens
>>78333975
Connie is absolutely useless against anything that isn't an abomination incapable of tactical thought.
I doubt she could even do anything against a corrupted gem.
Why do you assume she's going to go straight into helping with missions? Pearl trained her for personal reasons, it had nothing to do with needing or even wanting her help.
Show's pretty near perfect in my opinion.
Some weaker eps that could probably have been retooled but the basic concept and execution so far is more than good enough.
>>78334084
I don't want it to happen but that is what propably will happen. And i hate seeing it comming.
>this entire thread
I hope this gets bombed soon, everyone here suggesting changes either hasn't watched it or is incredibly autistic and can't handle cartoons that don't line up to their beliefs.
>>78333476
And you, for fuck sake just goddamn kill yourself already.
>>78334480
>>78334129
>implying a tumblr cartoon is perfect and flawless
>>78334084
SU takes inspiration from anime.
Anime dictates that preteens can fight monsters.
It's going to happen and it's going to be terrible.
>>78334084
Really? Nightmare hospital kinda confirmed sword and shield duo. I just can not imagine Steven actually using the sword.
Don't spend nearly the entire first season developing the supporting cast before going into the motivations and histories of the main cast. We didn't know anything about the gems or who they were fighting until pretty far into the season, which is bad regardless of whether it was trying to be episodic or have a big overarching story.
Learn how to write drama without it being "one of the gems acts like a two year old and Steven is the high and mighty source of reason who tells them they're wrong and lets them cry on his shoulder." When you can only create conflict by having the gems take turns passing around an idiot ball it weakens them as characters, and its a huge reason why Pearl and Amethyst are pretty hard to like despite being two thirds of the protagonist team. Take some lessons from how Utena wrote its characters since you reference it all the fucking time.
Actually use an episode to familiarize the viewer with Ruby and Sapphire if you want Garnet being a fusion to be a huge twist so it actually hits hard instead of being "oh that's neat." They could have done a lot more with that.
Learn how to do fight choreography if you're going to have fights.
Keep the pilot designs except for Steven.
>>78334692
>>78334692
>Learn how to write drama without it being "one of the gems acts like a two year old and Steven is the high and mighty source of reason who tells them they're wrong and lets them cry on his shoulder." When you can only create conflict by having the gems take turns passing around an idiot ball it weakens them as characters, and its a huge reason why Pearl and Amethyst are pretty hard to like despite being two thirds of the protagonist team.
This guy gets it
>>78333476
You could have replaced your entire post with
>Make the show more boring and generic
>>78334692
>Learn how to write drama without it being "one of the gems acts like a two year old and Steven is the high and mighty source of reason who tells them they're wrong and lets them cry on his shoulder." When you can only create conflict by having the gems take turns passing around an idiot ball it weakens them as characters, and its a huge reason why Pearl and Amethyst are pretty hard to like despite being two thirds of the protagonist team. Take some lessons from how Utena wrote its characters since you reference it all the fucking time.
I can't stress this one enough.
>>78334692
Do the opposite.
Keep the gems mysterious and distant forever.
Keep the backstory about the gem war and stuff but have it so that it can only be discovered by obsessive attention to detail and theorizing.
Don't commission it, just show more Teen Titans go instead
>>78333975
Connie cannot fight on her own. That's why they pair her with Steven.
That gives him enhanced offensive capabilities and her protection.
If they fuse and ride a fucking lion, that should do for them.
>Make the gems very cold and emotionless during the start of season 1 so the whole "Steven = Compassionate" thing is used as a plot point because he's the gems what emotions are throughout the series.
>This could make the song "Love like you" even more powerful
>Also I'd make the cool kids a lot meaner, seriously have you seen teenagers acting so nice, were the crewniverse members all anti-social weaboos?
>>78335064
>Also I'd make the cool kids a lot meaner, seriously have you seen teenagers acting so nice, were the crewniverse members all anti-social weaboos?
From my experience the popular crowd tends to be made up of the most outgoing and personable people.
Remove Lars
>devoting a thread to "fixing" a fucking children's cartoon created by anime loving weebs
Autism levels exceeding critical amounts.
>>78331160
Make Steven a secondary or minor character compared to the Crystal Gems. His status as a gem/human hybrid remains the same and his unusual powers are kept intact, but are treated as a secondary plot point to some bigger conflict, such as the gems coming to terms with their status as barely tolerated refugees on a planet that could be wiped out by the Homeworld Army at any second.
This allows us to focus on multiple characters who are more dynamic and complicated first and save Steven's relatively simpler character arcs for side-story shenanigans. People will probably argue this makes the show too big and deep for a younger audience, but I feel like Steven is still a strong and compelling enough character that he can lose the main character/narrator spotlight and still draw in kids. In fact, I think a lot of kids would like to see adult-like characters make mistakes and grow in ways similar to children; it makes real adults seem more human if the gems are making the same mistakes adults do.
>Trying to fix something that isn't broken
Why?
>>78333476
>this retard
>>78331160
That's dumb.
Part of the magic of SU is discovering all this stuff alongside Steven. Introducing it immediately as a prologue flashback removes that element.
>>78334480
>>78334793
>>78335802
>2010 + 5
>falling for bait this hard
>>78331160
Remove the oversized lips
>>78331160
Maybe add some guy Gems, to tone down the gay
>>78331160
>A young woman named Rebecca Sugar comes to you pitching her original series. She shows you a series bible, proposed scripts for episodes, storyboards, basically you get to see everything that happens before anyone else. However, you decide to step in and say "Rebecca, this is fine and all but let's look through this to see what works and doesn't work." You have the power in this moment to suggest any changes to her that would improve the overall product and, knowing your presence and input helps in ensuring her series is picked up, she takes you on board as a creative consultant.
why does this sound like a prelude to a sex fantasy
"After you make all these great suggestions that she can't refuse, she takes you under her wing as a creative consultant for her clitoris."
>>78333476
>wow this fucking stupid
>it's mishalover
what did I expect?
>>78331160
More greg episodes I'm pretty sure rebecca said greg is one of her favorite characters yet he barely appears anymore plus it would give males a little more representation.also more dewey
Kill Steven
Have the show focus on gem hijinks
>People want more guy gems
>Rebecca adds more male half gems
>>78331160
>I think a good place to start would be establishing the world first, and then the characters.
That's retarded.
>"Gem Glow" would start out with a flashback to the end of the wars and the Crystal Gems advancing to victory. But Rose Quartz would not be shown, only mentioned.
That's stupid.
Okay let me say why it's retarded and stupid respectively. The first thing is retarded because people become invested in the world THROUGH the characters. This isn't a world-based story. Everything in this series is about the characters and the world is incidental to that, something that exists to support the characters, not vice versa. The second thing is stupid because... a flashback that goes out of its way to show Rose? When Rose is supposed to be super close to the Crystal Gems? She's so enigmatic in the show as it is because she's talked about, not because she's actually distant. Yeah, she keeps secrets, but in-person she is an active presence. The flashback is the one bit where you DON'T want to avoid showing her.
>>78333476
>reduce Garnets hips
Ahahahahaha Misha you are such a faggot
>>78336549
Would be funny if they abducted males to make more Half gems.
>>78331160
Rebecca, I want you to change everyone into a 5'8" white stripper with huge tits. Everyone. Also the show is now a porn and not animated.
You're retarded, OP.
>>78332530
>>78331556
>>78331160
>>78334692
>>78335659
>Wahh, why isn't this children's show about a young protagonist growing an adult show about alien wars and complex inter-planetary politics instead!?
>>78336582
Like this?
>>78336549
>Male gems
>Not having male metals
>Not having these guys show up to take Steven on guy activities
>>78336636
I'm just not seeing male metal gems. I could see small dude with beard made out of metals but I just can't see it
>>78336636
>male metals
This is so dumb it makes me wildly angry
Shit I don't want to see happening
>Jasper crying and singing
>Lapis being happy
>HW being supa edgy evil
Also connie cutting her hair down and becoming a tomgirl is amazign and I want that to happen
>>78336549
Eh, wouldn't be that bad
>>78336734
I can see Jasper crying after the mindfuck she's been through. The rest I agree with, though.
>>78332554
>Chocolate gains golem
>>78336668
>>78336656
Look, sooner or later Steven gonna need boy pals. Not people like Lars Ramon or god forbid Onion. Greg can't be the only male company Steven has in his life and the gems don't know enough about being male or human to guide Steven.
I don't think other male magical creatures would be a good solution either, I just think Steven needs a friend who isn't A) a girl B) wierd/quirky C) magic.
![tumblr_nljan9OrMy1t5u6j6o1_500[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/MGE2yul.jpg "tumblr_nljan9OrMy1t5u6j6o1_500[1].jpg")
>>78336862
>Look, sooner or later Steven gonna need boy pals.
Okay, done.
Maybe the issue isn't whether Steven has boy or girl pals. Maybe the real issue is that he needs more friends his age regardless of gender.
>>78336862
Well steven doesn't have friends who can relate to him.
>>78336862
Do the cool kids count? Sour Cream and Buck Dewey are pretty normal guys in SU terms
>>78336895
If anything, Amethyst can relate to Steven's struggles with his identity the most
>>78336909
Which is why I think they'll fuse first
May as well ask this in this thread:
There's a Steven Universe Christmas special in 90mins on CN UK, half hour long. Anyone know anything about this?
>>78333476
This. Absolutely this except Pearl's nose.
>>78336966
Citation needed
>>78331239
Thread shutdown on the first post.
>>78336899
Nah, they're too old. By the time he's starts going through the changes they'll have moved on with their lives.
>>78336895
He has friends who can relate with some of his experiences. He needs friends to relate on other experiences.
>>78331160
So is this the /sug/ since the OP sounds kinda gay?
>>78336966
It's just Winter forecast fäm
>>78337022
Shut up nigger
>>78337029
Urgh, boo. Was trying to think of what episode it could be. Also why fucking tag it as New, cheeky fucks
>>78331160
Make it 17 minutes long
Maybe they could tell the story better with an extra time
>>78337093
The bastards deliberately didn't show it months ago so they could advertise it as a 'new Christmas special ', they did the same thing with Horror Club at Halloween
>>78337105
>Make it 17 minutes
I would that but
>>78333476
here's your (You)
>>78336895
That's why sugar should add more half gems but only when Steven is older
>>78336895
that's kinda the whole point of the show. steven is the only one of his kind. there is no one else like him, so no one else can really relate to him on that matter.
>>78336734
Lapis can be happy after she goes through another season or two of as of yet unrevealed miseries, followed by her gem being shattered, giving Steven a sudden moment of clarity on how to restore wholly shattered gems.
She can be happy as endgame, but she'll have to go through more shit to make it feel worthwhile.
>>78331160
The only thing I would change about the show is Steven not going to school. He isn't a good role model to kids IMO.
And this guy is right >>78334692
>>78336895
>Well steven doesn't have friends who can relate to him.
Yeah he does. He has both human and gem friends. He belongs in both worlds, not none of them. It's not that hard, people.
>>78331160
Remove fusion.
It's not relevant enough to warrant bringing up and having expensive VAs for.
It's caused dumb plots, hurt feelings, and cheapening Garnet's character.
>>78337565
Well, now it's a plot device, so that can't happen
>>78337565
Your opinion is noted, but I think it is shit. There are so many fusions I want to see.
>Steven x Any of the Crystal Gems
>Amethyst x Peridot
>Steven x Lapis
>Peridot x Lapis
>Garnet x Any Homeworld Gem
Also, not relevant enough? Have we been watching the same show?
>>78337638
>Steven x Lapis =Rebecca Sugar
So just what ever pearl's.
Were they the galaxy's ipod where you always have to buy the new releases
>>78337638
More one-note characters that soak up the show's budget and will never show up again.
>>78337638
>>78337714
>Steven and Lapis fuse
>The resulting gem is Live Action™ footage of showrunner Rebecca Sugar
>>78337741
>The animation it's actually a rotoscopic sequence of Rebecca's movements
IIT: People who can't write themselves out of a paper bag trying to pretend they aren't shit.
Fuck's sake, guys.
>>78337719
>Big touch pads are tall pearls
>smaller one are loli sized
>Wipe off the damn tears
One of my biggest complaints I have with this show or any show in general is the forced melodrama. The sheer abundance of crying in this show is absolutely ridiculous. This doesn't make for good drama, it isn't natural to see people spontaneously burst out into tears every other episode and yell out some jargon once in a while. The staff needs to learn how to write drama if they so want to insert it in most of the series. Maybe reserve it for necessary points in the series, or just eliminate it completely. I can't believe that the heads at Cartoon Network haven't seen this as a problem yet, it baffles me. But at least the staff has and "Crying Breakfast Friends!" became the end result.
>Steven and X
I understand that some of the audience thoroughly enjoys the interactions between Steven and _______, the Beach City inhabitants, alongside the "world building" and so on, but it's so boring to others especially to me. I've seen Steven help out everyone under the sun so far and I wish I hadn't. The entirety of the first season is dedicated this. I get that the protagonist is good in heart and the writers want instill good morals on to children, there's nothing wrong with that, but for me as a viewer couldn't care all that much. It was good as a novelty but it doesn't help strengthen relationships that I want to see or arguably matters more like the interacts between Steven and his father, or even his deceased mother. It's a crime that throw away characters like Ronaldo keep upstaging the main protagonist at times.
>Don't include things for not.
Stop me if you heard this one before, some poor schmuck mentions how irrelevant something is in the show specifically pointing to the plot.
the plot
>the plot....
Then everyone loses their fucking minds. "Oh he's a lorefag, ohmagurd what a stupid plotfag." I never understood why it became a sin to point out various inconsistencies in a show. Having terrible inconsistency in a show doesn't make...
a show bad or anything of the sort. But it is distracting especially when you're expecting something that never happens. That's like me telling you I'll call you back in five minutes, leaving the recipient to wait for a phone call that'll never come.
>The music
This isn't a a criticism, I just want people to know that the music is by far the best thing about the series. Rebecca knows how to write a good song or catchy jingle that marries into the narrative of any episode or overall structure perfectly. That's the best part about the show is the music, it can convey most emotion of characters, setting, tone, etc. Even when I think an episode wan't to my liking I can always remember how damn catchy a melody was and forget how sub par something was to me.
It's special and shouldn't be taken for granted.
>>78334480
Dude, it's just a joke.
>>78338213
Got the blue one?
>>78334480
>triggered
>>78335256
This show is broken and needs to be fixed by a bunch a sweatys who have nothing better to discuss. We're doing the Lord's work here.
Make season 3 stardust crusaders. Yellow diamond crashes half way across the world, crystal gems goes to find her, fights other home world gems along the way.
>>78335680
But it is broken.
>>78338336
No Jojo fags allowed.
>>78337984
>Wipe off the damn tears
You seem to confuse these with forcing melodrama, when in fact it's just a result of the shows art style. The show's art style is symplistic and "cutesy" so when a character is upset sugar draws small tears on their face to make it more obvious that they're sad. It's not a writing decision; it's a art style. There are many more tears on the show than what I would consider chracters actually dying. And, often, the characters actually have reasons to die/ In so many episodes the characters are either mourning a lost loved one or almost dying, both which warrant crying especially from women and children.
>>78331160
I think I finally found the problem with Bonehatter's art
She draws everything slightly off model and make the hands too big
>>78338428
You know I've never thought about the tears being an artistic aesthetic to convey the varying emotions of the show's characters, that's something I'll keep in mind the next time. But I still do stand on the fact that there is forced drama and an abundance of crying, artistic qualities or not.
>>78338512
We recently had a 5 episode no-crying streak
>>78331160
lol wow. Great way to get it canceled right off the bat.
The whole point of the show is that we're discovering what the Crystal Gems weren't telling Steven along with Steven. If you dump everything in one fucking episode then it;
1: Takes the drama out of some of the show's best episodes. We knew the Gems were aliens all along! We knew Homeworld was a massive threat before it was revealed through character reactions! Steven doesn't get to rise to the occasion in Jailbreak!
2: Bores your audience to tears because there's no build up, no climax, no resolution, because you laid it all out in like the third episode. Steven discovering he's part alien and that the war his mentors escaped is coming back to haunt him is the whole season one arc, and you're puking it all out in ten minutes of boring tv.
A tv show is not a setting book, it isn't an RPG, it isn't a novel. You have to design things differently, you have to interact with your audience differently because it is a different medium.
I'd change the art style. Muscles are a bit more defined, a few more sharp edges, and thinner outlines. Additionally, Sugar's sketches establish that they depict human secondary sexual characteristics, so why not toss add them, too? I otherwise have few complaints about the story on the whole.
>>78333476
>hurrduurrr.jpg
fuck off retard.
>>78338593
Also, I don't get why people flip their shit about a mono-gendered species. Asari were like that, and nobody batted too much of an eye.
>>78338593
>I'd incorporate my fetish
not what we're talking about. you wouldn't pitch that shit to cn and expect it to get very far.
>>78338604
Why so serious?
>>78338660
Put your trip back on Misha
Literally only thing I'd say is have better male role models, like Greg is a great part of the show but it just seems like we're forced to take his coolness with a pinch of salt because he's a balding goob who serves as comic relief a lot of the time he's around.
>>78338593
Yeah and give the Gems some cleavages (other than Rose). Like, god-fucking-damn.
>>78336734
I can see Jasper crying and singing. And I hope so. Her VA can sing and they obviously hired VA's who can sing for the show.
>>78338536
>Takes the drama
Hiya, I'm the fag who wrote an entire essay about drama in Steven Universe and I'm fine without it.
>Bores your audience
I'm already bored of where the series currently stands. I wish we could go back in time and rewrite the episodes to give more information instead of being obscured by character interaction.
I actually follow Channel Awesome's vlogs of Steven Universe and they perfectly match my feeling of the series thus far, Rob and Doug are about fifty three episodes deep, and so far feel whelmed by the series. That's exactly how I would encourage people to go into the show.
Don't expect some big plot reveals, or deeply philosophical ideals of the sort. Just look at Steven Universe as an entertaining show with a little heart and humor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtSbdQESv98
The comments on this video are hilarious.
So let's settle it down now
Are we going to move /sug/ over here the weekend of January or are we just gonna make a talkback thread?
>>78338946
/sug/ cones back here on January 4th, no arguments.
>>78338873
None of the real gem have cleavage maybe Garnet
>>78338653
Not just my fetish, but to separate it from the current miasma of soft, rounded shapes that infests the CN lineup. I'm not asking that Jasper be a beefy amazon with tits like watermelons, just a little more definition in the body, so everyone looks less noodly.
>>78338979
Naw, man, Amethyst would have some if it wasn't for that Gem in the way, she's the only excuse. Peridot, Jasper, and Garnet, have none. Peridot isn't as flat as Pearl or Lapis. I know for damn sure Yellow Diamond won't be flat.
>>78338979
>maybe Garnet
She doesn't either. Rose is the only one who has tangible breasts
>>78335064
The cool kids being not that cool is pretty much just being used to make Lars look even more like a fag.
>>78339013
Garnet could, her chest definitely curves outwards
>>78331160
>Operation
Stop
>>78338979
Just pretend they have. Problem solved.
Jasper, Garnet, Rose and Amethyst are the gems who could have some of that delicious cleavage and ass. The rest are bony.
>>78339121
Jasper could too.
>>78339121
No, it doesn't. It's a fucking square block.
>>78339135
too late
>>78339206
>square
Do you know what shapes are
>>78339227
I've heard of schools failing their students, but pre-schools? That's new.
>>78339227
>>78339258
Whatever you know what I meant
>>78336597
but it is also about the alien wars and lore and stuff, not just Steven. It's about a lot of stuff, just from Steven's perspective mostly. Sugar herself said she always loved overthinking and finding deeper meanings in cartoons, and that's how she intends SU to be like
I can't handle all these terrible ideas
>>78339477
You have better ones?
>>78339511
Garnet with the looks of Sapphire but the personality of Ruby
>>78338904
Why are people so impatient about the plot reveals? Half the fun is waiting for all the little snippets and/or suddenly getting knocked out of the park with stuff like jailbreak
The characters are good too so it's fun to watch their development with bits of the plot sprinkled in
I don't know how you could be bored right now with the cluster and malachite and learning stuff from peri and YD looming on the horizon. It's all really exciting, we just need some freakin episodes aaagh. The next bomb looks like it's gonna be packed with interesting stuff
>>78339622
Like this
>>78339511
No, SU is great the way it is, these ideas are terrible because people want to get rid of or change things that make SU good for their own dumb stuff
>>78339622
That sounds awful, your idea is the worst one in the thread
More lighthearted episodes with the gems that aren't just to go waaaaah this happened in this one's past so sad, love them
There's zero attachment to them because that's all episodes focused on them do, it's just backstory exposition
>>78339653
I think some people can't understand that pacing is unrelated to release schedule, so when they start getting impatient as they hit the end of the released episodes they think it's a problem with the episodes and not the fact that they're released too sparingly.
>>78339622
>Garnet with the looks of Sapphire but the personality of Ruby
>looks of Sapphire
I like this
>Personality of Ruby
Throw it in the trash
>>78339511
Pearl with big tits
>>78331160
This is dumb.
What makes SU's story interesting is that it's all from Steven's perspective.
Way to miss the point.
>>78331556
>what is magical realism
Keep the pilot artstyle.
>>78339653
May I remind you we are 70+ episodes in, hell I'll be fair and group each 11 minute episode into a standard 22 minute episode. We are roughly 35 episodes deep and nothing really happens.
I don't really complain about the characters because they are written so well, but the writer's intent is all over the damn place.
The Malachite stuff would be interesting as well if the writers gave a damn, right now it feels like a sad one off, occasionally being referenced here and there. Let's hope that the cluster won't be a bust because I'm legitimately looking forward to that. Oh, and Steven Bombs are always fun, no complaints there.
>>78338512
What the fuck is forced drama in a 10-minute show about relationships
I think that Garnet's future vision is a bad power for a main character to have cause it's only ever used as the plot needs it to because God knows seeing the future would never be fucking useful ever.
And alot of amethyst's problems bug me because she constantly blames others for her own problems, is a shitty team mate that puts the others to risk and is never called or challenged for these things. I personally didon't like her from the tigermillionaire episode cause she spent it beating up weak people that stood no chance and that was handwaved because she's really upset guys, I find her to unlikeable.
>>78339927
>May I remind you we are 70+ episodes in, hell I'll be fair and group each 11 minute episode into a standard 22 minute episode. We are roughly 35 episodes deep and nothing really happens.
Wow I don't really know what you define as "things happening". I guess there's not a ten-episode arc about earth being occupied and Steven losing his innocence, so "nothing has really happened".
This is of course an immensely stupid way of reading fiction.
>>78339383
It is a show about Steven growing up that also happens to have aliens and space magic.
The lore and fighting and the gems themselves are all secondary to Steven's development and the show makes that pretty clear with its focus.
Taking focus away from Steven and his relationships and taking focus away from him "fixing" the gems to look deeply at the gem wars and homeworld is completely missing the point.
>>78339972
Exactly. Everything in the show is used to reflect Steven's character. If it was actually about Gem War or whatever, it would just be a generic anime.
>>78340011
why the fuck did I reply
>>78339690
I just want a blue garnet, it looks good on her
>>78339961
True with such a power you'd think Garnet wouldn't need rational thought because she would already see all of the possible outcomes imaginable. Also she really isn't over powered with that ability like some might think. Oh and plot only dictates when that power is really ever used at all. I'm glad that future vision is underutilized.
Future vision doesn't work the way you guys seem to think. Garnet can use it to analyse possible outcomes, but she can't predict what will definitely happen
>>78340357
Kinda like Spider Sense(?)
>>78339961
Her future vision isn't perfect, it just amounts to her being really, really smart but she can still make mistakes. Basically it's like humans can see chess moves 5 moves in advance but Garnet can see 10 moves in advance
>>78339905
>>78340206
Got you covered m8
>>78340391
This is a +18 website
>>78331556
what kind of school did you go to where they don't each you proper literature genres?
>>78340206
Uuuu
>>78331556
All good points mind you, but that would take people who actually know how to write a story, not hacks.
>>78340892
Well to be fair they are still very young on their career, and most of them come from the comic world.
>>78336549
>"Greeeeeeeeg!"
So this thread is dead, yes?
>>78341333
>>78342122
>That half human pearl
>>78342122
So to end the war with homeworld they drop Greg and leave as fast as they can?
>>78332428
Make them all straight guys who do hit on women but have anal sex like humans high five
>>78333476
We'll get you you SJW
>every reply to this post.jpg
>>78342122
So Greg got the harem end then
>>78334464
I would be okay with it if it were steevonie
>>78342504
>>78342122
>fat bald hobo who lives in a fucking van
>could only get with a woman who "saw the beauty in everything" even a bunch of fucking weeds
>everyone in this retarded fandom acts like he's fucking casanova when gems in general think view humans as no better than the rest of the organic life they use as fuel and Pearl finds there mere idea of touching him repulsive
When will the day of the rope get here already?
>>78334464
Maybe as a yamcha
>>78342938
>everyone
Easy there chap
>>78342938
B-but I like Greg
>>78343073
How can you stand to look at that fat fuck?
How do your ears not bleed whenever he talks with that fucking high pitched castrated voice?
>>78342938
>Thinking we actually mean this seriously
>>78343122
Question Misha Tomboy Connie or Bookworm connie
>>78343129
Irony is very hard to convey through text. Eventually you get people who do take this thing seriously.
>>78331160
>no gay shit
>more actual fighting
>more fusing
>more story
>make steven less feminine
>male gems
>bring in writers that are actually funny
>have more kids for steven to hang with that are interesting
>get rid of connie
>eventually reveal that rose is the big bad and that she's been biding her time hiding within steven for an unknown purpose
>>78343168
Bookworm Connie. I wish she kept her glasses, she looks cuter with them.
>>78343169
I guess you are right, but we are on 4chan we should take everything with a grain of salt
>>78331160
>People are actually responding to this bait thread
>>78343234
I like Tomgirl Connie
>>78343341
Tomgirl Connie is cute too, but I just thought brown intelligent shy nerd girl Connie was the qtest.Is there any art of Connie dressed up as the new Ms Marvel?
>>78343122
His character is decent to say the least. Be glad his role isn't overly important, although you'd think he would be more of a significant character.
>>78331160
>first off Rebeca, I know you're a good artist so please fix those god awful character designs. They make me want to gouge my eyes out with a spoon
>next, what's with this "genderless" aspect. Are you a complete faggot or something? Showing "strong female characters" who aren't actually female is the most sexist thing I've heard of in this office
>and one final thing sweetheart, this entire baisis reeks of tumblr and forced gay agenda. If you're gonna do that at least try to be stealthy about it. Better step up senpai
>>78343557
>the designs
I don't get why people hate the designs so much. I mean, the animation's a bit loose, but as far as just designs go I think the Gems are all pretty good. They're simple enough to be endearing but detailed enough to give some good emotion.
It more comes down to the boarders and how they draw themlike how Zuke's Amethyst is amazing.
>genderless
Literally never brought up in the show so far.
Honestly, that's all stuff from the staff and other online stuff. They never talk about it in the show
>Gay shit
pic related.
Also, they do it a lot better than other options from what I've seen. Treat it like an actual relationship (with PearlxRose moreso than Garnet) rather than just "OH YEAH LESBIANS LOOK AT 'EM".
>>78343231
>no gay shit
>more fusing
.....?!?!?
You know as I much as people don't like Greg at least Rebecca doesn't do the "Father is an idiot" trope I like how Greg cares about Steven and tries to be in his life. Unlike Marty and I hope drop beat dad talks about Marty
I like fencer connie to be h. She looks cool and reminds me of myself when I was a kid
>people seriously hate my idea of actually putting effort into worldbuilding and not focusing on Steven's dumb autistic life
Why even create this unique, fascinating species of characters if you're just gonna focus on their bastard experiment. There's an entire universe they could establish with thousands of years of history behind it and this chucklefuck gets the limelight. And all that gay shit, what the fuck?
>>78343788
The designs are ugly. The show's based around minorities, but all the characters look like they've been hit by a semi truck, that's awful representation. Like all minorities are ugly. And is it really that hard to make characters pretty or attractive?
Anyone with a brain could find out that rocks don't have sexes, the "gender less" makes no sense since they're clearly female looking and use she/her.
I don't have aproblem with gay characters, I have a problem with clear hamfisting pandering. Straight charcaters seem to just be together, but if it's a gay couple they have to be making sexual suggesting sexy dancing and makeout.
See Tumbl- I mean, /co/. What this show lacks is a true antagonist. We have this likable coterie of characters yet there's no real motivation for them to reevaluate themselves and face the odds. We need a character that's a contrast to the main characters that's also understandable and legitimate by his own account - think Ozymandias. An antagonist doesn't have to be evil, just a challenge to the protagonist(s) to realize why they're fighting and what they're fighting for.
My concept is, have the character know of and even be somewhat of a follower of Rose Quartz. Someone who appreciates her outlook on human potential but decries her soft, unassertive approach to them. Someone who brings out the human in Steven and not just the "muh feelings" aspect but the power, glory, and righteousness of great leaders and fighters. At the same time, this character could be somewhat of a Homeworld sympathizer in the way that the old ways worked and while change had to come, ultimately change failed. Look at the rise in younger Americans turning to conservative ways in the wake of stronger presence of liberalism. That kind of thing.
>>78344318
>what are lars and sadie
Most of the main cast is women, and Steven is a kid so it's fucking hard to avoid lesbian sexual tension.
>>78331494
This though, I actually think this would be cool af, minus the removal of best gem.
Hell, having a big husky motherfucker like Onyx would be great for making Jasper wanna join the CGs: Onyx was always stronger than her, and he's one of the HWGs that gets sent to earth to fuck shit up, so Jasper joins the protags to save her own ass
>>78344398
Maybe now with the whole YD/Cluster, we might get that.
>>78344412
I used to think Lars was a sheep/goat man. That's how awful the character designs are.
>>78335064
>>Also I'd make the cool kids a lot meaner, seriously have you seen teenagers acting so nice, were the crewniverse members all anti-social weaboos?
>seriously have you seen teenagers acting so nice, were the crewniverse members all anti-social weaboos?
>have you seen teenagers acting so nice?
>anti-social weeaboos
This post.
There could probably stand to be a little more swing between Pearls low points. The depression arc is interesting stuff but if the only thing she gets to do for half a year is drown in her crippling issues whenever she gets the spotlight without any success to claim in the meantime everyone is just going to give up on her before she gets to come back around. Most of the internet has written her off at this point and it's gonna take some damn strong showings to make her anything more then then salt sad one to most people.
Just take Garnets dumb shades off, they're goofy looking and she's easier to relate to when she when she can actually make complete facial expressions. Another issue is that she's suppose the pillar of strength in the party but she mostly just stands around ignoring obvious emotional crisis until they boil over, and then she's high and mighty about it.
Amethyst has actually been pretty all right in her maturation but I think was implied in twitter that shes gonna have huge problem's soon so that's probably gonna suck.
Also Mishalover is still doing his gimmick two years later, I admire that perseverance.
>>78344318
yeah, lars and sadie literally made out, and in a really grabby and sexual looking way
>>78344270
they're only interesting because of steven providing the perspective
if not it'd just be Ancient Aliens
>>78344270
I'm all about the worldbuilding too, but I prefer it to be shown to us gradually and in little bits, so we can ride the hype and wonder about the mystery and all that, instead of blowing the load by opening the show with what happened in the past. That would be boring. (I'm assuming you're OP) It's fun because at first you think it's just a lighthearted show about a boy and his magical moms, but then it pulls you in by digging deeper into the lore and plot. If you want pure world-building, just make it a tabletop rpg or something idk
>And all that gay shit, what the fuck?
But that's one of the highlights of the show!
>>78344415
>someone bigger and stronger than jasper
>a male
euuuuugh the whole appeal of jasper is that she's a big bara wife with a bigger bod than any man or woman
>>78339820
Pearls have no cleavage
>>78345133
>>78344884
DID NONE OF YOU FUCK WATCH GARGOYLES GROWING UP. LITERALLY THE FIRST THING WE SEE IN THE FIRST EPISODE IS THE ANCIENT HISTORY OF THE GARGOYLE CHARACTERS AND THE WAR THEY WERE INVOLVED IN BEFORE MAKING IT TO THE PRESENT DAY.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M GOING FOR HERE.
>>78345412
Gargoyles is fine and good but this isn't Gargoyles
>>78345474
What's wrong with showing just a glimpse of their past before gradually building up the rest though?
This is like complaining that Colombo shows the murderer committing the act and then the main character comes to put the pieces together, I prefer that approach.
>>78345412
wew lad
>>78345517
Because the lore is only interesting because it's been implied and slowly built up through the character dialogue and interactions
>>78331160
I keep it exactly the same way.
>>78345479
Kill Steven.
Turn it into Valkyrie Drive.
Fixed.
>>78345694
but make every gem have something wrong with them that they can't tell steven
>>78345867
they already did that
but then peri spilled the beans
Immediately starting off with Homeworld stuff would be a bad idea. My favorite part of Steven Universe is how it starts off tame and builds to deeper things, and doesn't show its hand all at once.
Who would win in a fight Lapis or Sapphire
>>78332530
But that's not how they react most of the time. Like the Pizza family didn't seem to know the Crystal Gems as being immortal alien warriors, and Connie's parents didn't recognize Alexandrite from like... a tableau at a museum or whatever.
>>78345215
>Jasper
>""""""""""appeal"""""""""""
>We find out sapphire was merely pretending to like Ruby
If you really, really want to fix this show.
Then kill the current writers, put a man in charge alongisde Sugar. Have someone write an actual male kid as the MC.
Kill Zuke in particular. Remove cheap crying. Remove fanfiction-tier writing.
Remove Zuke.
>>78338512
>>78333476
It's been such a long time since I've seen this or you Misha. Thanks for the nostalgia, but you're still a gigantic fucking faggot.
>>78349517
are you butthhurt because she got stern with rude people on twitter
>>78350284
>implying I'm butthurt
>implying I'd be butthurt for something that doesn't concern me
also
>she got stern with rude people on twitter
Pft
>>78349517
>mmmmmuh penis
>>78350340
>implying
I wouldn't make Steven the only hybrid. Like, his kind would be rare but not impossible to run across.
Also, human villains who are a credible threat. Like, someone who tricks Steven into fusing with him, then forcing the fusion to remain. Or people who use Gems as weapons, or crush up Gems to make ink for sick magic Gem tattoos.
>>78349517
>Have someone write an actual male kid as the MC.
I was like Steven when I was a kid and I'm male, you can go fuck yourself.
>>78331160Less singing
>>78350695
You were a very pathetic kid then.
>>78350942
But Sugar is a frustrated singer. Let her dream!
>>78350695
Did I refer to you and your childhood personally?
>>78331160
make the gems actually important. Aside from being Steven's surrogate mothers they should have their own personal wants and ideas other than "I liked Rose Quartz" "I'm really gay." and "I'm irresponsible and messy, but misunderstood." Yeah pearl has some conflicts, but it all boils down to the same thing "I'm super gay for Rose and I'm pissed off now because I got cucked."
