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>The First Order is no threat to us
>>78330828
That movie was spotty in the middle, but the beginning and climax were aces.
RIP STAR WARS 2012
>>78330828Genuinely more enjoyable than TFA. Actually has an original plot.Like them both tho
Think Ahsoka will show up in any of the new movies?
I was kinda hoping that Chewie would actually start punching stormtroopers in this scene
>>78330877
>aces
>not wizard
First for people would trade Kylo for Jacen in a heartbeat
>>78330930
That can't be Peter M. in the costume. Dude cane barely walk.
>>78330915
>Shitty kids cartoons
>Having any impact on the movies
>everI kid I love orange buttcheeks, bt let's face it she's never making it in. I doubt JJ even knows she exists.
>>78330937
https://youtu.be/9t_00CrJcxI?t=108
>>78330948
>Not best Dark Jedi.
>>78330930
I hated this movie, one of the big reasons being what happened right before this scene.
But I did like that Chewie went beast mode all the sudden.
>Welp, fuck each and every last one of you.
Chewie finally had enough.
>>78330915
She's gonna die in Rebels.
>>78330948
Kylo would work if he was the minion or Starscream to a much more formidable Dark Jedi working for Snoke. Like a whiny, try-hard sidekick.
>>78330930
>He just stands there and takes the shot
Fucking weak as shit.
>>78330984
>no eyes
>can still be Force-blinded
Weird.
>>78330980
I'm not gonna lie
I love those Robot Chicken specials
>>78331029
I thought they disabled your force powers during the final duel?
>>78330965
He had a full-time double who apparently did a significant amount of work beyond just being a stunt double
>>78330877
I yawned at the Death Star III. That shouldn't fucking happen.
>>78330915
Well, no, she's almost certainly dead before ANH. Along with the rest of the pointless Rebels characters she's hanging out with.
>>78331057
just like she was almost certainly dead before ROTS
>>78331073
Yfw they all go to Aalderan
>>78331057
>>78331073
Well, if you're going by the idea that Luke can be the only Jedi alive at the point of ANH, technically Ahsoka isn't a jedi anymore. She quit!
>>78330863
Why was the New Republic so fucking stupid? They should have known better than to trust an organization that is based on the Empire and is even more fervent than them. Why didn't they at least put some surveillance on them? Really, how hard is it to get a squad of Umbarans to trail their asses.
>>78331034
Jar Jar force ghost still makes me chuckle
>>78331102
>Why was the New Republic so fucking stupid?
Because Mon Mothma had her way
Gonna end the poll in an hour. Looks like Variant 1 is gonna be used unless there's a sudden shift in votes
If you want to use a different variant, they'll all be included, just use a program like mp3tag to switch the covers out.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1CnA5F4p5GfKY_7AhaOsFRksRurG5aB-j76qUMGJ5Gpk/viewform
>>78331053
Come on, you must have loved that arm-fold at the end where he folds his arms to look imposing and mask how broken and wretched he's become:
https://youtu.be/c6bEs3dxjPg?t=229
>>78331027
To be granted, he did just fucking kill his own father. You can't blame him for being a little distracted.
>>78331034
They're pretty great. Kudos for making Palpatine zany, while not downplaying for gruesomely cruel and manipulative he is. Plus, making Anakin/Vader simultaneously annoying and pitiable:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0ffCICQ-bU
>>78331102
They were liberals and revoked the second amendment.
>>78331088
Well that would totally stop the Empire from killing her.
>>78331027
>takes a shot to the gut from a gun that's been shown to blow people away
>weak
>>78331143
Opposite actually, they allowed individual systems to make their own defense forces. Mothma just dissolved the Grand Military of the Empire.
>>78330930
Everyone do the song and dance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAX-agG_ESM
Post best lightsaber hilts.
>>78331116
Jesus, no one cares.
>>78331199
You cared enough to reply.
>>78331199
i do
>>78331102
>>Why was the New Republic so fucking stupid? They should have known better than to trust an organization that is based on the Empire and is even more fervent than them. Why didn't they at least put some surveillance on them? Really, how hard is it to get a squad of Umbarans to trail their asses.
And what would those guys be doing when not spying on the First Order? Trampling on the civil liberties of New Republic citizens, that's what! Down with big government spying! No Empire 2.0!
>>78331143
>>They were liberals and revoked the second amendment.
They were ultra-libertarians who believed in militias so much that they abolished their standing army and gave each member so much autonomy so that when an actual foreign army shows up to kick their shit in, they can't organize an effective force, and are instead forced to rely on a "Resistance".
>>78331194
>hilts
>>78331178
But who will make the Galactic Republic great again?
Arguments I'm already sick of:
>Too much like ANH therefore it sucks
>Kylo is awful! He got BTFO by forceless Finn and untrained Rey despite having tanked a bowcaster shot!
>How dare Kylo get shot by a bowcaster after his big emotional scene!
>Screw Starkiller base and more SW WMDs!
>Not enough space politics! Fuck this movie for not including more of them!
>I can't believe they blew up Coruscant! No they didn't!
We're gonna be doing this dance forever if the prequels are any indication.
WE'LL USE THE FORCE!
>>78331102
Weren't they secretly funding the Resistance?
>>78331249
I laughed really hard at that. The humor was top notch.
>>78331206
I thought it was interesting in the first thread. But it's like you just sit around waiting for new threads to start so you can post the same image for your digital collection.
>>78331245
Welcome to this magical community of autists and retards we call /co/.
>>78330930
>Bowcaster bolts aren't green
>>78331245
Add:
>Rey is more Mary Sue than Luke and Anakin
>No new aliens
>>78331244
A relative of Tarkin.
>>78331245
>We're gonna be doing this dance forever if the prequels are any indication.
Yeah, this is why I like talking about Star Wars cartoons, novels and comics, rather than the movies. There is no real civil discussions about the OT, PT or ST, except for a few occasions during a blue moon. Sucks really.
>>78331245
>>Screw Starkiller base and more SW WMDs!
>>Not enough space politics! Fuck this movie for not including more of them!
>>I can't believe they blew up Coruscant! No they didn't!
If they better explained it in the movie these wouldn't be issues tho
>>78331292
They weren't ever green outside Jedi Knight. I don't know why they were green there either, given how they were blatantly red in the OT.
>>78331245
>Rey is a sue because I dont know her backstory yet
theres gonna be a flashback with a 4. year old Rey doing a mind trick or something and itll be hilarious
>>78330965
Did you miss the kickstarter a couple years ago where he got his knees replaced and has gained his mobility again?
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/lenswithaview/standing-in-the-stars-the-peter-mayhew-story
>>78331285
I'm posting it so I can get a decent enough sample size, since not everyone comes to 4chan at the same time and some don't come every day.
>>78331245
Only autists complaining about this stuff are the people who liked the prequels.
>yfw they rehash iconic settings in episode VIII
>yfw another ice planet, another asteroid monster and another trip to Bespin
You know the most endearing thing about the prequels was that they gave us a truckload of new planets
>>78331305
I'm not saying I disagree with all of what I greentexted. I didn't like Death Star 3.0 and I would have liked more about the state of the galaxy. I'm just tired of the arguments about it even though the movie has been out less than a week.
>>78331245
I'm getting pretty tired of having to explain Kylo Ren as a character to whiny shitters who couldn't grasp the complexity and depth of the character. He's fucking great, best character since Vader hands down and the actor did a marvelous job, but god damn, I didn't realize how difficult some people must have it in their lives if they can't even understand a movie like this.
>>78331267
They put themselves in the position of needing the Resistance to deal with problems that they made in not dealing with the First Order on their own.
Plus, the New Republic didn't fund them, it was Princess Leia herself that did that, she had the common sense to do what needed to be done.
>>78331245
>not enough space politics
seriously the BIGGEST plus to me that Lucas didn't have his incompetent fingers in this movie, was the hope that there would be ZERO space politics, no senate meetings, no absurd ideas like blockading a planet.
I mean this is a huge plus, who in their right mind want's MORE of that bullshit. Tom Clancy books are still in print I'm sure.
>>78331345
You mean a bunch of personality-less CGI shitholes, right?
Jakku is 1000 times more memorable than Geonosis.
>>78331316
>>78331285
Also
>But it's like you just sit around waiting for new threads to start so you can post the same image for your digital collection.
If you payed any attention at all, I participate in the threads too. I've been here for ages, though I only adopted the trip recently.
>>78331352
He's Zuko without an Iroh to play off of. So he's trash.
>>78331345
I'm ok with that as long as this scene happens
I'm so happy the movie wasn't horrible. That's all I hoped for. It could have been so much worse. Instead it was just mediocre. Another average modern movie I've already forgotten about. Yet I'm happy with that.
>>78331352
I almost laughed when he took the helmet off. Then I realized: holy shit that's the point!
>>78331245
I'm sick of people shitting on the last duel because of
>m-muh rey never used a lightsaber before.
It was a great fight, one of the best in the series in my opinion.
>>78331413
Nobody wanted long senate scenes. They just wanted a few lines to clarify the setting, the way ANH did. TFA couldn't even manage that.
>>78331345
And tech in general.
Say what you will about the droids, but at least the Separatist Army had its own distinctive look unlike The First Order.
>>78331034
The janitor who kept sweeping up the bodies was my favorite one.
>>78331461
she has used a saber before even
SHE KNEW HOW TO FUCKING HOLD IT
>>78331345
We got a snow planet already in TFA, they aren't going to do that again. I'm sure the structure will be similar to ESB though, with it opening on a major ground battle. I'd bet it takes place in a jungle this time.
>>78331461
I'm sick of people defending Kylo's loss because of his injury, but glance over how he got beaten during the interrogation scene with zero handicaps.
>>78331274
This to be honest family. I laughed at all the quips, even though I was annoyed with them being there. Then I realized I wasn't actually annoyed, /co/ had just told me I was supposed to be annoyed. Then I enjoyed all the quips.
>>78331483
They have their own look. They got the whole duck face thing going on.
>>78331422
>Jakku is 1000 times more memorable than Geonosis.
Anon, why must you turn this thread into a house of lies?
>>78331305
They don't have to explain that they didn't blow up coruscant. There's no reason to think they did.
>>78331483
You mean incredibly un-Star Warsy?
>>78331461
Rey
>scavenger who has fought to survive most of her life on a harsh, desert planet full of scoundrels and monsters
Kylo
>coddled by parents, coddled by uncle, coddled by the First Order. Has never had to struggle or fight for anything in his life, including his life.
Gee, I wonder why he lost in physical and mental combat.
>>78331508
rey is latently stronger in the force
sorry pal
>>78331515
I'm still upset about the amount of humor. There were some good jokes, but just one too many.
>>78331508
It's because he's never mindprobed another Force user before and she's strong willed. They're equally powerful in the Force, being that they both descend from the Skywalker line, but he's not trained well enough to break through her mental defenses.
>>78331422
>Cherrypicking
Even if you hate Geonosis, Naboo and Coruscant are both amazing.
Also Jakku is literally Tatooine.
>>78330888
They've also (finally) ripped Star Wars 2015. You can find English cam copies. In case anyone somehow missed this fact.
So if you're cheap, you live in some Sheevforsaken area without access to theaters, or if you just want to rewatch a really shitty version, then there you go.
>>78331508
Well, that could be explained away as some sort of innate ability that they share. It could also just be that the mind-probe thing is a two-way link, and her being a Force user allowed her to take advantage of it, which he likely wouldn't have been used to.
>>78331483
rold kek when luke skylwaker used a fucking army of droids to massacre the dark nest.
also Fisher did awful actor job. the ball droid looks way to retarded.
>>78331274
>It was the right thing to do.
>......You need a pilot don't you?
>Yes. Yes I do.
>>78331474
Yes, a few snippets here and there about what was happening politics wise could have helped it.
>>78331528
>Red CGI planet full of le icky CGI bugmen and stolen scenes from Gladiator and A Princess of Mars vs clever wasteland full of crashed vehicles inhabited by neat new practical aliens
>>78331548
What does that even mean?
>>78331562
>being that they both descend from the Skywalker line
Pretty sure the only confirmed skywalker babby is Kylo. Until we hear otherwise, suggesting Rey is as well is fanwankery
>>78331588
Wait, which one was Tatooine again?
What planet did they blow up again?
All those people who said the new movies would avoid all references to the Prequels and right out of the gate they talk about bringing balance to the Force. I wonder if anyone started coughing up blood in the theaters the moment they heard that. It's nice to think so.
>>78331577
>hating on based BB-8
>>>kill yourself
>>78331567
Jakku is actually just Tatooine if you remove any rocks.
>>78331588
You're not even trying anymore
>>78331567
Naboo was bland and Coruscant was just a shitty version of the city from Bladerunner.
>>78331607
5 nameless ones
>>78331600
It's pretty obvious that she is though anon. All of the clues are there. Regardless, he's just as much the main character as she is anyway.
>>78331274
It was. There was more comedy than I expected but I really liked it.
"Wasn't he a war hero" was my favorite gag, after BB8's thumbs up.
>>78331622
And yet you think Jakku is something special?
k.
>>78331612
>bringing balance to the force
>a prequel concept
Star Wars has always been Daoism for retarded westerners
>>78331632
Maybe, maybe not. I honestly hope not. Not everyone important person in the galaxy should be related.
>>78331646
Star Wars is about the Skywalker family. Always has been, these films are no different.
>>78331588
>he doesn't know most of Geonosis was some form of practical effect
>>78331607
Hosnian Prime, the current seat of the Republic Senate, and 4 other nameless planets
>>78331634
Jakku was largely physical, and like, had memorable locations that you feel attached to because they have emotional connection
>>78331655
Yes, but that is a serious problem holding Star Wars back from being greater.
>>78331588
>neat new practical aliens
>neat new
Those damned things belonged on a Doctor Who set, they weren't that fucking interesting or that fucking memorable. None of the aliens in the movie were, except for that NotIthorian with a mouth, only because you wondered why the fuck didn't they just use a Ithorian in the first place.
>>78331656
>3 seconds of a miniature
>a practical effect worth talking about
>>78331671
That is wrong.
>>78331245
These quibbles are all superficial.
There's a much bigger problem of a complete failure of narrative cohesion (i.e. the plot runs almost entirely on contrivances and "because the script said so"), the fact that Finn gets shut out of any sort of interesting character arc and forced into a comic relief role the second Han shows up, the fact that Rey is impossibly perfect at anything she ever tries to do, Kylo constantly forgetting he has useful abilities he used earlier in the movie, Poe doing jack shit despite even the movie itself building him up as a big deal, the camera moving and behaving in a way perfectly fitting for a Marvel movie but completely inappropriate for a Star Wars movie, and the fact that the movie never even tries to make us give a shit about the Republic, only the few friends of the Resistance that we've been following since Jakku.
Oh, and the fact that John Williams pretty much totally phoned in the score.
>>78331664
(you)
>>78331681
nou
>>78331673
>not muh Twileks
>>78331671
>anon's first pottery class
>>78331638
Nobody said it was a concept, just that it was a direct reference. Right at the start they toss out a phrase from the Prequels. The Lucasfilm Storygroup does not disappoint.
Plus the OT really didn't deal too much with balance, only that it would take a Jedi with the Force as his ally to defeat Vader and the Emperor to bring freedom to the galaxy.
>>78331682
You obviously haven't listened to the OST more than once through, because it's fucking 10/10. A very slow burn, but once it has its hooks in you, it's as good as every other Star Wars score.
>>78331422
You're literally talking out of your butthole. Jakku was just Tatooine with a new name. Also Geonosis was done via a series of miniatures, not straight CGI, just saying.
>>78331682
>the fact that Rey is impossibly perfect at anything she ever tries to do
That didn't bother me. She even comments how it's amazing she's that competent at something she's never done before. It's supposed to hint at her connection to the Force andher relation to Han Solo.
>>78331702
>The Lucasfilm Storygroup does not disappoint.
The Story Groups job is to make sure the tie-in content doesnt contradict the film.
Youre retarded if you think they have direct input in plot.
>>78331548
Fun fact; There's more canon content featuring the Droid Army and Clones, than Stormtroopers.
You cant call it "un-star wars" just because it wasn't in the OT.
>>78331682
>Oh, and the fact that John Williams pretty much totally phoned in the score.
THANK YOU
I had to look up who composed the score because I couldn't believe it was John Williams.
>>78331664
Only thing Jakku really has going for it is the starship graveyard. Otherwise it's a much more boring Tatooine. Tatooine at least had natural features besides just sand.
>>78331588
Stop
>>78331727
>canon
>mattering
>>78331682
BAAAAAAAAAAH BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH BAAHHHHHHHHHH BAH BAH BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH BAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
>>78331730
Yeah, we've been talking about it the past few threads. 7's soundtrack is the worst Star Wars has ever seen, and I entirely blame it on the fact that the movie is so close to ANH. Williams had zero freedom.
>>78331725
You're mistaken if you believe they did not. It's their job, after all, to make connections between the old and the new. That's why they were created, anon.
>>78331681
No, he's right. Hearing about the Skywalker family and their fucking family issues is dragging Star Wars down movie-wise. That's why I'm pretty hyped up for Rogue One and enjoy Star Wars Rebels, there is no Skywalker drama in it. It's a big universe, and hearing about a cousin of the Skywalker family going to the DarkSide is honestly just a boring thing everyone knows is going to happen. That's why Finn and Poe are fun characters, they're new.
>>78331777
>and enjoy Star Wars Rebels
>>78331655
I suppose you're right. I just trying to figure how she's related to Luke, as she doesn't seem to recognize him and even believed he was a myth. I don't think it would Han and Leia's side because they never mentioned anything about having a daughter and after having lost Kylo, I find it difficult to believe they would abandon her on some Tatooine knock-off world.
I suppose she's old enough to be Luke's daughter. But why would he drop her off on Jakku instead of leaving her with her aunt and uncle? Even if he was going into self-imposed exile, he'd want someone he trusted looking after her.
>>78331777
>this god awful trash opinion
Jesus Christ, I'm embarrassed for you. Rebels is terrible the Skywalkers should always be the focus in Star Wars films.
>>78331772
Thats just PR for the nerds who give a shit about that stuff. Lawrence Kasdan said he doesnt give a single shit about anything that isnt the movies, which should tell you how important the "story group" are.
>>78331725
So JJ and Kasdan directly referenced the Prequels?
>>78331764
I think it's the worst he's ever done. That's not hyperbole.
>>78331549
>Rey
>Such a powerful survivor warrior, who can beat Jedi in battle and use force like a Jedi Master
>Yet struggles to deal with a few fodder thugs on the black market early on in the film
>>78331798
Kylo might've been the one who left her there. The vision seems to imply as much.
>>78331810
It's a good thing Lucas sold Star Wars to Kasdan, isn't it? I wonder what the old man did to raise the money. That would be a lot of Snootles jobs in back alleys.
>>78331664
Coruscant and Naboo have those too. Coruscant was physical where possible(parts of the Jedi Temple, the lower city cantina, Dexter's Diner, Padme's apartment, Palpatine's office, etc)
Naboo was basically all physical sets or on location. CGI and digital matte paintings were mostly used to alter the architecture in some shots or to fill in and add stuff that couldn't be made physically or would be cheaper to paint in.
>>78331680
The entire arena was a big miniature that was used as a backdrop. The Jedi were all actors on sand in a big bluescreen set, and the bluescreen would be replaced by the miniature. This technique is also present in the OT, though usually matte paintings were used instead with varying results.
Parts of the landscape were also a big miniature that was built
Obi-Wan's starfighter was built
An ultimately deleted scene featuring Jedi attacking a Federation control ship in space used some sets mixed with bluescreen to be filled in later
The room with Obi-Wan being held captive was a full set
parts of the big pillars in the arena were built.
The meeting room on Geonosis was built
>>78331798
She's either Luke's daughter or Snoke's.
It would be kind of ironic that Luke spent so much time dreading what Rey might become because of who her dad was that he was completely blindsided when Ben/Kylo turned on him.
>>78331692
Fuck Twi'leks, there are other aliens out there, how about some fucking Rodians, Togrutas, Pau'ans or maybe some Pantorans. Hell, bring in some Zygerrians and Zabraks, or even Umbarans of you want some really easy aliens to make.
>>78331772
Bullshit. Their job is to police the tie-ins and keep everything as generic as possible since the movies are flying around the timeline.
Do you really think Disney is going to let a bunch of nobodies dictate how to make their golden calf? They threw out a huge library of established work with a big fanbase for creative freedom; they're not going to sit around and take other people's notes.
>>78331812
The Clone Army was referenced (the army specifically, not just "The Clone Wars")
Ewan McGregor is heard during Rey's force vision. (The crying children may have also been a reference to Anakin slaughtering them)
Maz's Castle had a bunch of flags for Prequel stuff, as well as some references to the cartoons
The Crimson Corsair wears a Kaleesh mask.
Also, the Luggabeast comes from the same concept art as the AT-DP, so it's possible that there is an in-universe connection too.
Just off the top of my head from what I remember seeing.
>>78331245
The "ANH" and "Starkiller Base" complaints are completely valid. The prequels sucked ass, but at least they TRIED to come up with new settings and plots. If I wanted to watch ANH again, I'd watch ANH. It at least had interesting lead characters.
>>78331682
Not to mention that the new Sith Lord's name is "Snoke". Seriously, that sounds like a nasal spray.
>>78331869
>tfw even Snoke, looking like a deformed ghoul, could fuck a qt and you can't
>>78331730
There's a rumor in certain circles that John Williams was pretty hands off and had someone else do a lot of the composing, due to his advanced age.
>>78331848
So you seriously think that the people writing and directing a multi-billion dollar film will let their ideas be controlled by obese spic? You're fucking retarded for thinking that!
The story group only exists for the comics, books and vidya.
>>78331810
>he thinks Lawrence Kasdan is in charge or important in anyway other than being a writer for hire
>>78331873
>no Zeltrons
>not having an entire scene about a Zeltron orgy
>not making a Zeltron porno and calling it Episode VII "The Bone Unleashed"
>>78331903
You seriously think that the multi-billion dollar corporation had no say in what happened? I guess Joss Whedon and Zak Penn wrote the Avengers without any input, too.
>>78331873
>people complain that Star Wars never does anything original anymore
>people whine when they try to do original alien designs
>>78331902
He is really old, but personally I think the OST for the film is great and I really hope he's around long enough to do 8 and 9 as well. The overall themes and motifs of the score are just as good as anything else he's done in Star Wars.
>>78331878
Actually it was Kathleen Kennedy who hired them. You know, the person in charge of Lucasfilm now? Chosen by Lucas himself to replace him? Disney seems pretty content to let her run the show as long as they can slap a Disney logo on everything. I mean it's Star Wars, anon, it'll sell no matter what.
>>78331878
Disney arent in charge, Kathleen Kennedy is, and she personally put the story group together. You think Lucas was gonna' sell the franchise to Disney if he couldnt keep his friends in charge? Bet my bottom dollar its part of the contract that Kathleen stays in charge. She has final say.
Disney arent some boogeyemen who are monitoring Star Wars and telling the story group what they can and cant do.
>>78331901
He might have looked more handsome before he went full Dark Side.
Or maybe it was another midichlorian manipulation virgin Mary case like with Anakin under Snoke's direction.
>>78331930
>b-b-b-but the new designs suck
And yet in the last thread:
>Doesn't matter if the prequels sucked, at least they tried something new
Would anyone be interested if I streamed Cam footage from The Force Awakens?
>>78331902
I have never heard this rumor before.
Then why the hell didn't he collaborate with someone like Zimmer or Giachinno? I.e. his probable replacements for Ep. VIII?
>>78331944
>Disney aren't in charge
They paid 4 BILLION dollars for Star Wars. I'm not saying they're micromanaging, but you'd be an idiot to think they're not involved.
>>78331889
>Ewan McGregor is heard during Rey's force vision.
I read they used Guinness too. Sourced him saying "Rey" from saying the word "afraid".
>Light Side
>chafe under the control of a bunch of tightwads obsessed with ORDER
>Dark Side
>under the thumb of the biggest bastard in the yard who will chop you down if you go out of line and replace you because he needs CONTROL
There's no winning with these psychic samurai.
>>78331929
The Marvel movies are expected to resemble their source material to an extent but the Star Wars movies are the fucking source material for their franchise.
>>78331949
I do wish to complain in real-time.
>>78331949
yes please
>>78331959
Of course they are. They're busy slapping Disney logos on all the merch they knew they'd sell because it's STAR WARS.
>>78331964
This is why you turn your back on that force crap and savor the life of the bounty hunter
>>78331682
>There's a much bigger problem of a complete failure of narrative cohesion (i.e. the plot runs almost entirely on contrivances and "because the script said so"), the fact that Finn gets shut out of any sort of interesting character
> the fact that Finn gets shut out of any sort of interesting character arc and forced into a comic relief role
I was arguing against this flaw in the last thread but people kept calling me retarded and saying "WUT NO It's the force stupid! The force made it all happen don't you get it it's the fucking force! Fate happens because the force works through Finn that's why those convenient things happen it's destiny because FORCE n' shit.
You can say the Force brought Finn Poe and Rey together all you want but I'm still gonna call you out on that bullshit. Trying to frame narrative fragility as deep and thematic plot depth is just plain stupid. I cannot imagine any other movie without the 'force' using such a dumb excuse.
>>78331962
They did. But Ewan also has a line in there.
>>78331725
The LSG(one singular group) maintains contact with the filmmakers, you know. Looks like you're the retarded one.
>>78331730
>>78331764
Nah, TFA's soundtrack is great, it's just it wasn't used to the best ability with the film. I blame JJ.
Give the soundtrack a listen on its own a few times. There's plenty of great new tracks, like Rey's Theme, March of the Resistance, The Jedi Steps, Snoke, Torn Apart.
>>78331902
Nah, John Williams did everything but the cantina music because he wanted to focus on the orchestral pieces. He had a lot longer to work on TFA because of how JJ's schedule works compared to previous episodes
>>78331962
Yeah, Guinness was "Rey", Ewan was "These are the first steps." Yoda's dialogue was also sampled for a couple lines.
>>78331959
Mostly in marketing. Like the other anon said.
You think Kathleen/LSG are in charge as a joke or something?
>>78331962
The line is "Rey, these are your first steps."
Originally, James Arnold Taylor did the line. Then they got Ewan McGregor to replace him. Then they managed to replace "Rey" with Alec Guiness, but the rest of the line is still Ewan.
Interesting.
James Arnold Taylor was very nice about being replaced, and he still got to play a Stormtrooper, so I think he is happy.
>>78331982
Oh yeah, wasn't refuting that. It's why I said "too" but I guess I could have made it more clear.
>>78331930
They were hideous grotesque monsters that felt less alien and more of something that belonged in a horror movie as sideshow rejects. Greedo in ANH was fucking memorable.
>>78331965
Who the fuck is talking about source material?
Marvel Studios doesn't give a shit about source material. They're involved to make sure the stories of the movies are being told how they want them to be told. Just like you'd better bet that Disney (or Kathleen Kennedy or the Storygroup or whoever the fuck) was overseeing JJ and Kasdan.
If you really think those two were on their own in writing the story, you're delusional.
>>78331990
>The LSG(one singular group) maintains contact with the filmmakers, you know. Looks like you're the retarded one.
Thay doesnt mean their telling them what to do. Its far more likely their getting told ideas and then passing those own to comic writers to tie in
>>78331878
Kathleen Kennedy is in the LSG as well. You are literally uninformed.
>>78331941
Why the fuck would she ever say "no, you can't do that. It would contradict Issue #42 of "Lucky Lando"?
>>78331997
>You think Kathleen/LSG are in charge as a joke or something?
No, I just also don't think they have 100% free reign with Disney's new baby.
>>78332006
Yeah, Greedo was. And there were a few dozen completely unremarkable designs in the cantina, too.
>>78331997
>James Arnold Taylor was very nice about being replaced, and he still got to play a Stormtrooper, so I think he is happy.
Next time he interviews Mcdiarmid he'll shove him out of his chair and announce himself as the greatest actor in Star Wars and the only one fit to read the Star Wars Shakespeare bit. And then he'll show everyone his shoes.
>>78331245
>Not enough space politics! Fuck this movie for not including more of them!
Isn't this what helped ruin the prequels
>>78332012
>Thay doesnt mean their telling them what to do.
They're making sure they keep in line with the new canon that's being built.
>Its far more likely their getting told ideas and then passing those own to comic writers to tie in
Nope. That's not how they work.
>>78332020
Well I mean, not that this is definitive proof, but supposedly Disney were angry about Finn's casting because they were scared it would affect overseas marketing. But they didn't stop JJ/Kathleen/LSG there.
>>78331878
>They threw out a huge library of established work with a big fanbase for creative freedom; they're not going to sit around and take other people's notes.
Disney didn't do that, the Story Group did. Because that's the sort of decision the story group was put in place to make.
The story group is not just some fact-checking group of bureaucrats. They're also storytellers, and they have input over everything.
>>78332029
His hosting at Celebration genuinely made me dislike him. Am I alone in this? He was annoying, seemed like an asshole, and wasn't funny at all.
>>78332017
Why would she have to tell Disney that? Disney isn't writing this. Disney is off building themselves a bigger money bin to hold all the dosh they're going to be swimming in from purchasing Star Wars.
>>78332006
Funny since they just reused horror masks from B movies for the cantina.
>>78331889
>The Crimson Corsair wears a Kaleesh mask.
More likely the character was designed without that in mind, and the author of the short story added in that connection.
>Also, the Luggabeast comes from the same concept art as the AT-DP, so it's possible that there is an in-universe connection too.
Both Rebels and TFA made use of McQuarrie designs
>>78332007
In fact, Marvel just threw out the Creative Committee because the writers were sick and tired of their notes.
Like I said, the movies are always going to take precedence over the merchandise.
>>78332047
I thought he was alright. The little skits were fun too.
>>78332030
Not that anon, but I feel like the politics in the prequels were interesting, and have since become a staple of Star Wars. All through the new canon, including the cartoons, there is politics.
It actually felt odd how disconnected from politics TFA was after the past 10 years of it.
>>78331764
It's ANH but without a single moment of calm or suspense. Everything is always action all the time.
A New Hope had the following action setpieces: Tantive IV
Escape from Tatooine
Detention block shootout
Death Star corridor run-and-gun
TIE Fighter attack
and of course the Battle of Yavin.
Six setpieces, with a ton of worldbuilding, character development, and generally thoughtful moments in-between.
TFA has:
Village attack
Star Destroyer escape
Outpost attack
Falcon's first flight
Rathtars
Battle of Takodana
Landing on Starkiller Base (flying through TREEEEES)
Infiltrating Starkiller Base
Sabotaging Starkiller Base
Exfiltrating Starkiller Base
Starkiller Base trench run
Starkiller Base duel
That's TWELVE. There's barely enough time in a 2 hour and 15 minute movie to do anything other than run around and blow stuff up. If anything, TFA should have been split into two movies: a Find Luke Skywalker movie and a Let's Destroy Starkiller Base movie.
But Abrams doesn't know how to do anything other than be an extremely pretentious version of Michael Bay, so that was never going to happen and all he could do was stuff the movie full of whiz zoom pow action sequences to cover for the fact that he can't do anything else.
>>78332057
>Like I said, the movies are always going to take precedence over the merchandise
Literally no one is disagreeing with you.
You (or some anon who is on your side of the argument) claimed that Kathleen and the Story Group had no input in the movie. But that's just straight up false.
>>78332031
You realize they spewed the exact same shit about continuity back in the EU days, right?
>>78332047
You certainly aren't alone. It was mentioned quite a bit. He seemed pretty wired. I wonder if he's always like that or if he was just mainlining caffeine the entire weekend.
>>78332030
It doesn't have to be like in the prequels. But some context about the New Republic, the Resistance and the First Order is needed.
>>78332056
Some concept artists for the PT worked on concept for this so you never know. Gotta see the behind the scenes.
You're right about the Luggabeast though.
>>78330828Does anyone like the subversions pulled in Force Awakens? And is anyone else incredibly suspicious of how strong Rey is with the force?
Also I really liked Finn as a protagonist. He was alright guy though... I was surprised with how willing he was of killing his fellow soldiers later on when he hesitated in the beginning at seeing one of his brothers fall.
>>78332056
>>78332056
>Both Rebels and TFA made use of McQuarrie designs
I know, I'm just saying that there may be an in-universe connection. I would not be surprised if the LSG find a way to explain that the Luggabeasts are using old AT-DP heads.
>the character was designed without that in mind
Possible, but I disagree honestly. The shape of the mask, and the eye slits, seem very close to Greivous. Greivous was a very popular and marketable character for the past 10 years, wouldn't be surprised if the LSG intended it to be Kaleesh to keep the design around. And it's a cool design, im not complaining. I wish we saw more of him.
>>78332088
The Kaleesh stuff was made for EU so I doubt it went into making Grevious
Comparing him to Michael Bay is a bit extreme but I'd agree Force Awakens needed to be slowed down and took some moments to breathe.
>>78332073
No they didn't. Leland Chee was put in place to try and manage everything, but it was very clear from the start that he was only there to appease the fans who kept asking why two or three different books/comics told the same thing differently.
By time Chee was put in place, it was too late. The EU had already been in place for several decades without any sort of corralling. Lucas, and by extension Lucasfilm, never truly considered the EU canon. It was just there to make money.
>>78332096
>I know, I'm just saying that there may be an in-universe connection. I would not be surprised if the LSG find a way to explain that the Luggabeasts are using old AT-DP heads.
That doesnt mean they had any input on the design.
>>78332070
My fault. I started this by saying how the Prequels were referenced at the start of the film. I was pretty antagonistic about it and triggered at least one person.
>>78332111
Ah yeah, but I could see someone wanting to take inspiration from his face. Ever since I saw Sidon he looked like he had a Kaleesh mask myself.
>>78332067
Even with all the action I thought they got the characters right. The starkiller base assault was unneeded tho
>>78332145
Chee came up with the tier system too I think, which was their way of admitting that there was no fucking way the EU could be considered actually canon, because so much of it conflicted.
Wasnt there 7 different explanations to how they got the Death Star plans?
But now they have an entire group dedicated to keeping everything on equal levels, matching the movies, no tiers. I admire their dedication. Hopefully it'll last, I've been enjoying the consistency of Canon a lot.
>>78332067
>Abrams doesn't know how to do anything other than be an extremely pretentious version of Michael Bay
He's more like a cross between Bay and Snyder. He tries going for massive scale and epic feel like Snyder but he keeps getting bogged down in Bay mannerisms (claustrophobic fight scenes, annoying dialogue habits, etc) that prevent him from fulfilling the vision.
>>78332184
>keeping everything on equal levels
Movies on top, everything else on the bottom.
Like I said, believing otherwise makes you retarded
>>78331990
>>78331764
>>78331730
>>78331682
I'm that one anon that kicked of the music discussion a few threads back.
I've listened to it front to back four times, and I've listened to those individual tracks again and again. In the end, I just decided to compare it to the PT, and parts of the OT.
The writing is so less dense this time around, and it sounds so thin. If you really want to find a track that exmplifies this loss of quality, just listen to how weak the Main Title sounds compared to what we've heard in the past. In this case, what we heard last:
https://youtu.be/y8ac1Qg-r-8
https://youtu.be/mpNUoWkUFC8
I just had to come to the conclusion that I'm not feeling this soundtrack. I really really hope it doesn't stay like this. The film's pacing doesn't do the the music that is in the movie any favors either.
>>78331902
I believe every note was Williams. A far more likely reason is a change in his orchestator. A Williams sketch is basically a complete piece, but that doesn't change the fact that even he can't do everything. I forget who his new orchestrator is, but a bunch of little things contributed to this sound.
>>78331957
>Zimmer
Hell to the no.
>Giacchino
Pic related.
>>78332209
Pablo Hidalgo is on record saying otherwise.
>>78332070
All I said is that it's literally impossible for there not to be conflicts within any canon because you have multiple people doing multiple stories along the same points in (fictional) time and space and that whenever such a conflict does arise, things will be retconned in favor of the films.
That's what Lucasfilm has always done, even with the Expanded Universe, and I take issue with the few people who insist that Disney's new canon is sacred and inviolable because they said so.
>>78332184
It will last AT LEAST until the end of this trilogy, because everyone will be in full-on "this is important" mode.
After that? Who knows.
The difference between now and the early EU is that we know we're getting more movies, so the novel authors won't be doing as much "here's what happens in 100 years" kind of shit, since they'll be leaving that for the next trilogy and the next and the next. Back then, we honestly didn't know if we'd ever get more movies.
When force ghost Obi-Wan inevitably shows up, will he be McGregor in old man make up or CGI Alec Guiness?
>>78332184
>Chee came up with the tier system too I think, which was their way of admitting that there was no fucking way the EU could be considered actually canon, because so much of it conflicted.
Yep. It was basically "Here, use this to explain contradictions if possible. If not, boo hoo.
>Wasnt there 7 different explanations to how they got the Death Star plans?
At least 7. There were also like 2-3 explanations for that throwaway line about Ord Mantell that Han makes
>But now they have an entire group dedicated to keeping everything on equal levels, matching the movies, no tiers. I admire their dedication. Hopefully it'll last, I've been enjoying the consistency of Canon a lot.
Me too. The reboot allowed them to have full control of the future of the story.
>>78332168
Finn and Poe Dameron were good, but Rey is really boring. It's painfully obvious already that she's gonna be Luke's daughter (or something) and her scenes on Jakku are dull as dishwater.
As for the villains, Kylo Ren has to be the pussiest emo bitch of all time, and General Hux overacts so much he makes Ian McDiarmid look subtle.
>>78332209
Yes, movies are more important.
But canon-wise (which is this whole fucking discussion), everything is on the same level.
Do you know how Luke canonically figured out how to use the force on objects? It was with a noodle while on a supply run with some random chick he wanted to bone. That is 100% canon, despite the fact that it will never be referenced in the films, and JJ probably doesn't even know about it.
>>78331446
kek
>>78332030
>>78332082
>>78332059
The Prequels felt more like Space Drama/Opera, akin to Star Trek with how much world building and intrigue they built up. I respected them for the atmosphere.
Whereas the OT and TFA were more like a mexican soap focusing exclusively on the characters. Everything interesting about the government, lore, world building and setting was neglected in the process. You know all the huff and puff about the Trade Federation, the Separatist, Jedi Counsel, the ancient Sith and all their backstory? We get so much depth from them just with the slow screentime and dialog devoted alone, something completely left out in the OT/TFA films.
It's not something for everybody, but I appreciate that aspect for what it was.
>>78332223
>believing pointless PR from some guy whose only written RPG supplements
>>78332251
>Kylo Ren
Don't you mean Darth Ben?
>>78332242
I think it may just be their voices
>>78330930
Requesting a Chewie verion of this
>>78332211
>Main Title
Speaking of which, did the starfield behind the crawl look weird to anyone else? I thought most of the starfields in the film were okay but at the beginning and in the crawl it just looked off to me.
>>78332251
>Dat autism moment when Rey put on a rebel pilot's helmet
I expected her to imitate x-wing's sound
>>78331508
>> but glance over how he got beaten during the interrogation scene with zero handicaps.
But hew was partially successful. He did read some of Rey's thoughts. Then she was able to actually block him out/resist/tap into his own thoughts.
He was not expecting her to be force sensitive.
http://www.starwars.com/databank
Bunch of new stuff
>>78331949
DO EEEEEEET
>>78332226
>literally impossible
It's not, though. Yes, you have multiple people doing stories across multiple different media (movies, shows, books, comics, short stories). That's why the LSG is in place -- they make sure things work.
As for movies taking retcon precedence, I mentioned that here: >>78332229
They can plan for that, now that they know more movies are coming. For now, they can just avoid setting anything post-VI, because they want to let the films breathe.
>>78332211
They don't do THX certification anymore, do they? I thought the intro was noticeably quieter.
I just didn't feel any of the leitmotifs except the references to the OT (like Princess Leia's Theme). I'm sure they were there, but they weren't used nearly as often as he used to. I'm surprised it was Williams, it sounded like someone who was badly trying to imitate his earlier work.
>>78332094
I kind of like how much it subverted my expectations. I expected Finn to be the main hero who became a jedi, not a goofy loon whose goal is to run away. I thought Ren would be a badass Death Vader expie, not Space Zuko struggling with his ADD. His patheticness kind of grew on me and was oddly, endearing? It made my sympathize more than I thought I would for a star wars antagonist. Much more so than the PT Anakin ever did, his struggle felt genuine and emotions real.
>>78332316
>They don't do THX certification anymore, do they? I thought the intro was noticeably quieter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-phCSe-W0DI
>>78332297
Really wish that website wasn't laid out so poorly.
>>78332226
I feel people in general hold too much value of the mark of "canon" in Star Wars in general. Even before the great divide between Legends and Canon I always just picked and chose the stories and parts I liked and that was what was canon to me, follow my own rules. And that's still true. Like for example, until something happens in the new movies or Rebels that specifically contradicts KotOR or KotOR II those games are still a part of MY canon.
>>78332306
As long as they're going to continue to make films, eventually they will run into a previously established fact. Especially since they plan on doing films during the OT's timeline.
>>78330930
I was fully expecting Chewie to go full Allahu Ackbar and take as many stormtroopers as possible with him before going down in a blaze of glory.
>>78332340
Largest franchise on the planet, infinite money, and yet the site layout is still shit. I'm baffled, really.
>>78332336
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu0R96OZy6w
>I have been waiting 10 years for a new Star Wars movie and I wanted a sequel more than anybody. However, I am not happy with the story for this movie because it betrays the books. The story doesn't follow the books. First of all, Chewbacca dies in the book series the New Jedi Order against the Yuuhan Vong and in the book series, Fate of the Jedi, it is JACEN SOLO that turns to the darkside and kills Mara Skywalker. Ben Skywalker was a powerful jedi in the seires, Fate of the Jedi. This movie betrays legacy of Star Wars with the death of Han Solo- when he continues to survive in the book series. Knights of the Ren???? GET REAL. It is the Sith that are the enemies of the Republic- Always a master and an apprentice and it is amazing how quicly Disney betrays the legacy of Star Wars and the book series. I don't like this movie and it gets my vote as the worst in the series. I'm sorry, but they should have stopped at six films. I am satisfied with the six films. I wish this movie had never been made. I hate it. I don't like it at all. The death of Han Solo turns me off this movie. It would have made more sense for Chewbacca to have been killed because that's what happened in the book series
>>78332352
Yeah, there will inevitably be some minor errors (like based Sixes), but there's no reason to think they can't keep things consistent.
>>78332355
>I was fully expecting Chewie to go full Allahu Ackbar and take as many stormtroopers as possible with him before going down in a blaze of glory.
I wanted to see someone's arms finally get pulled out of their sockets.
>>78332371
Where did you find this delightful little gem?
>>78332371
Is that real pasta?
>>78332351
That's really what everyone does whether they care to admit it. Canon is at best a community agreement on what is and isn't a part of continuity.
But you always run into those aspies who absolutely loathe you for not following the corporate mandated proclamation.
>>78332357
>I'm baffled, really
Hmm, that is a mystery isn't it. The videos never work with me at all.
I wonder how the Wook is doing, haven't heard from them in several days.
>>78332394
Apparently, there was going to be a scene where Chewie ripped that junk dealer's arm off, but it got cut for being to gruesome
>>78332396
>>78332397
On the one star reviews for the TFA Blu-Ray preorder page on Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Force-Awakens-Blu-ray/dp/B018FK66TU/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top?ie=UTF8
>>78332326
I liked Kylo Ren, and I enjoyed his design. I thought for the most part the film was... predictable? Like it felt pretty easy for me to know what was going to happen next in some regards. And I really did want to see more development with Finn. His side-lining was not exactly all too enjoyable for me.
>>78332262
I prefer Darth Linkin.
>>78332290
That was kinda cute, I'll admit.
