Robin War part 4
>>78238736
>>78238755
>>78238755
Shut up Bruce
>>78238774
>>78238796
>>78238814
>>78238830
Please don't let one line derail the entire thread with shitposting
>>78238848
>>78238868
>>78238890
I swear to God, Jason's mask changes literally every time I see it.
>>78238906
>>78238848
>One out of nine
Okay, Tyrone.
>>78238868
>inferior, but pros
>>78238923
>>78238923
aka Tim ain't about that life
>>78238939
>>78238961
>>78238814
in an abandoned factory?
>>78238982
I never want to see another street name sign again.
>>78239009
>>78239024
How many parts is Robin' War?
>>78239032
>>78239038
Six. It finishes in January.
>>78239061
>>78239061
>YAAAASSSS
really?
>>78239081
>>78239106
>>78239024
>>78239032
>>78239061
That was cool as hell
>>78239128
That's it. Part 5 comes out 12/23
>>78239128
Okay youve acknowledged how shitty the costume is now actually change.it
>>78239179
Why do people hate the wings.
Robin War is definitely better than anything else that We Are Robin has done so far.
>>78239147
I'd like to see a W(e) A(re) R(obin) animated movie
>>78239192
Because they look better on falcon and they do not work with the domini mask. Maybe if he had a cowl instead
>>78238868
I think this is the first time Damian's ever complimented Tim and Jason.
>>78239164
I really like this event.
>>78239061
>YAAAAASSS
SLAY TIM
this lettering font is disgusting and distracting
>>78238890
>no wonder nobody likes you
pls don't bully Damian
I'm curious how the event is gonna end. Obviously WAR is gonna keep being a thing, but everything about this event just keeps hammering home the idea that they aren't qualified to be vigilantes.
>>78239629
They obviously do something good near the end.
>Damian not a complete shit
>Jason and Tim not toolbags
>Jason and Tim actually written in an interesting manner
I don't know what's worse: that it took this long to find a story where those two aren't complete shit or that them being written to standard is cause for celebration.
>>78239092
YAAASSSSS
really
>>78239658
It's amazing what you can do when Lobdell isn't involved.
so when does duke become robin?
>>78239629
turns into a neighborhood watch program rather than kids literally being uncontrolled vigilantes
>>78239704
Batman #50
>>78239658
>all this bitching
Why don't you just accept the fact that they're finally being written well?
>>78239764
Because once B&R:Eternal and Robin War are over, they'll both be sent back to their respective, terrible series.
>>78239797
1.This event does well and DC takes note. Demand and numerous cries for for more content involving the two forces DC's hand.
2. Their respective terrible writers take notes from these ones and see what works and what doesn't.
3. They get new writers.
>>78239164
"Hoot-hoot, muthafucka!"
>>78238848
Dont worry
>>78238796
>Noctua
I keep reading that as "Nocturna"
>>78239164
Calling it Thomas Jr. comes back in the climax for this
>>78240041
Jason is Lobdell containment. Harras will keep him there.
Anyway neither Jason nor Tim are under Doyle like the rest so they won't get nice writers or interesting directions.
>>78239418
I did not think much about it because we are robin seemed like another comic like the movement, having actual villains in it is helping, but Gotham seems so erratic I am getting lost in these last bat Events.
>>78239164
This part felt shorter than the other ones, even if it was actually the same length
>>78239257
They should have emphasized this
>>78240604
Because it was mostly action.
>>78239704
Probably after Robin War.
>>78240773
Nah, Duke will live or die by the WAR series. He'll stay as the leader of that group, and if the series fails. he'll go away.
>>78240810
Duke's already confirmed for a future Robin, boi.
This has been a pretty fun event so far. I'm glad it's doing good in sales too.
Tim really needs a new costume though. At the very least just get rid of the wings and harness. His base cloth costume is decent.
>>78240848
How so?
>>78240878
But if Tim doesn't have wings, how will he be different from the other Robins
>>78240894
Future's End, IIRC
>>78240942
>implying Future's End is canon
wew, lad
>>78240041
>Their respective terrible writers take notes
Lobdell hasn't taken notes in like over 30 issues. What makes you think he'll start anytime soon?
>>78240897
How about personality?
I'm sorry, I almost typed that with a straight face.
>>78241058
"Smart" is my favorite personality.
>>78240897
You can still do a cape, just a different one. Damien generally has a yellow trimmed, hooded version that's typically shorter and ends at his knees. With Tim, for example, you can do a more classic style cape that's clasped between his neck and shoulders, red trim, that's longer and ends at his ankles. As is, the wings and supporting harness are just too busy and bulky for the typical Robin and DC aesthetic.
>>78241128
Am I the only one who liked his pre-Flashpoint Red Robin design?
>>78241171
If you were to get rid of the cowl and the harness portions on his sides, I'd really like it. It'd be like a grown up version of his Robin costume.
Was wondering when this would get posted. Thanks.
Dick's plan worked just as he planned
>>78238939
>No, Todd can't kill Drake, *I* wanted to kill him!
>>78241467
Lots of stuff could've gone wrong but that's ok
>>78241171
It was boring but 10x better than what he's wearing now.
>>78241605
What's the worst that can happen? Jason getting killed?
>>78238736
Wow, that is a stupid looking Robin in the red suit.
That pencil neck, him leaning waaay back in his punch.
Really makes him look like he has no clue how to fight and it's also made more apparent by what a pencil neck dork he his.
I can imagine he's going to start pawing at the air and slap fighting him next.
>>78238796
Until now I didn't know how much I wanted to read a Dick and Gordon one shot. This is a pair with such a history to be mined, I'm sure there must be a story out there already?
>>78239147
That was really a hype moment, and I love when the robins work together.
>>78240041
>3. They get new writers.
Haha no.
Lobdell has the equivalent of tenure at DC due to Harras.
>>78239764
>Why don't you just accept the fact that they're finally being written well?
I fully accept them being written well. I'm bitching about the fact that it's been several years for them to get to the point where they're interesting again. I'll be the first to admit I'm a massive Tim and Jayfag but I can't deny they've been written as shit by everyone except King and Seeley since New 52 started and even for a little while before then. I'm scared that when Robin War ends we'll be stuck with shit again. I have hope for Pak Titans but Jason's still suffering under the cloud of Winnick and Lobdell.
>>78240942
Future's End also had Harper's gay brother teaming up with her so that they were pretty much Gotham's Hawk and Dove.
Pretty cool issue.
Bermejo takes notes from Lobdell and writes a very enjoyable interaction between Jason and Tim. Unlike most of the writers involved on Robin War (or even Eternal) he doesn't writes Jason as a generic bad boy that is only bark and no bite nor Tim as an insufferable genius, Bermejo actually plays the brother angle of their relationship and shows us how much in synch they are with each other to be able to pull a plan like this without words nor pointless bravado.
Still, within the bigger scope of the event it only shows how poorly planned the whole thing is since there's no logic or coherence as to why the Court would put them to fight if they're only interesed on Grayson and neither develops what are the Court goals, delivering a story that could've been skipped entirely.
>>78242764
Shut up, Tzitzimine.
>>78242856
Nah, he'd hate it because not muh Lobdell.
>>78242437
>Implying Jason was written well before new 52.
bumping
thanks OP
thx op
>>78239629
I like this better than turning some normal kids into Mary Sue Robins.
This was pretty nice.
Are we sure King didn't plot this? I mean, in any issue that Dick doesn't get the focus, he's referenced or hyped up in some way.
>RW #1: The Robin that was set up was inspired directly by Dick and sang "Dick's song," as well. Robins show up and then call the "first" back, because he's the only one who can deal with this shit
>Grayson #15: He literally keikaku'd everyone after manipulating his brothers and his new students, as well as the cops somewhat
>Detective Comics #47: Kicks Jim's ass for basically no reason other than "whoa, Jim, you scared me for a second!"
>WAR #7: Dick's parents are shown in flashback, Dick and Jim team up, Dick goes off to take care of the Court on his own. Tim and Jason, with Damian's help later, "pull a Grayson" and nearly get out of the "Cage," but Jim will probably join them in his Batmech next issue.
With all the "Gray Son" shit, and the two times Nightwing was brought up, this whole event is Dick. Even when he's not there, he gets brought up somehow. Two more parts, we'll see what happens.
>>78245290
>this whole event is Dick
You say that like is a bad thing
>>78242437
Of course you're gonna be stuck with the same shit when Robin War ends. Only Tim might change since Pak is coming on but even then he's focusing on fixing Cassie first. But Robin War is just a small blip that's taking over the books for sales purposes.
>>78239205
Issue 4
>>78245290
Well it is for Dicks 75th Anniversary
>>78239704
>so when does duke become robin?
>>78239724
>>>78239704
>Batman #50
>>78240773
>>>78239704
>Probably after Robin War.
He already is Robin, that's whatvthe whole event is about
>>78243341
>>78243790
>>78241335
>>78242764
>>78242893
No, Tzitzimine copy-pasted this on every forum. It's kind of sad, because it really sounds like he hasn't read any of the books.
>>78243088
Tentacle monster Jason was better than any version of Jason that Lobdell has written
On a more serious note, Morrison's ridiculous Silver Age villain Jason was awesome, and far better than the "precious bad boy" that Winnick and Lobdell jerked off to
>>78242764
>Unlike most of the writers involved on Robin War (or even Eternal) he doesn't writes Jason as a generic bad boy that is only bark and no bite nor Tim as an insufferable genius
Have you even read Lobdell's Jason? He's the most one-dimensional character ever. Jason written by the likes of King, Seeley, Valentine, or Tomasi shows far more depth. It's just not apparent for anyone who needs narration boxes to tell them what to think.
>>78241171
Not at all. I loved the shit out of it.
>>78247644
Not really. On Eternal Jason can't talk without saying how much he likes to fight, mentioning alcohol or any generic bad boy line (like "I'm gonna blame Tim somehow")
On the other hand, Lobdell's Jason is willing to talk things before getting into a fight, shows legitimate concern for Roy's well being, never mentions alcohol (and we actually see him going to classy or regular joints) and fully trusts Tim. There's really no comparison
>>78248283
>like "I'm gonna blame Tim somehow"
Fuck you, that was a hilarious line.
Lobdell is shit and has continued to make Jason an extremely boring character with no characterization outside of generic anti-hero.
>>78248283
Lobdell's Jason is
"My name is Jason Todd."
"Aka Red Hood."
"I used to be Robin."
"Then I died."
"I hate the Batfamily"
"Roy's an idiot,"
"Roy's my best friend."
"But Roy's an idiot."
<insert sarcastic joke>
"Just kidding I was being sarcastic"
Rinse and repeat for the next 19 pages.
Other writers have shown more character depth through action and non-dialogue than Lobdell has through endless narration.
>>78248457
Yeah, the only times when the Jason and Tim dynamic was already believable was in the bar in Batman and Robin Eternal.
It's kind of sad that writers who use Jason as minor guest stars have a better understanding of that character than his own writer who's had 30+ issues to give him a personality
Tzitzimine trying to bash Tom King for writing a better Jason than Lobdell is hilarious. Are we sure that he's not just Lobdell? Or is it unlikely that Lobdell would put this much effort into writing anything?
>>78239061
>YAAAAAAS
>Jason confirmed for tumblrshit
>>78245380
>>78246173
Anons, I'm pleasantly surprised, is all. I still have a hard time believing DC actually cares about Dick. I'm a Dickfag, through and through, and I'm a lot more accustomed to abuse than a treat.
I'm still waiting on some Dick variants, though. Variants for his 75th won't happen, it's too late, but why not somehandholdingon ever cover? Maybe some kissing and shirtless covers, too. It made too much sense for Valentine's Day, and we missed that now, too. Two big missed opportunities...
>>78249405
>I still have a hard time believing DC actually cares about Dick
>All these Robin events for his 75th anniversary
>Grayson is the best book DC is publishing atm
what?
>>78248283
I don't think this person has ever read Red Hood and the Outlaws.
I like how this story has put DC in the incredibly awkward position of defending the use of children as soldiers.
>>78247611
Nah, Jason was always shitty.
Jesus Christ, how many Robins are there?
I've been out of the batfag scene for way too long.
>>78251010
Haven't they been tackling that issue with Robin for a long time? I know it was a whole thing in Robin: Year One.
>>78251793
Only one
>>78251793
Four; Dick, Jason, Tim and Damian.
The other "Robins" are sort of a grassroots vigilante movement among Gotham's youth.
Though there are "Mysterious Benefactor(s)" supplying and coordinating them.
>>78247611
Yeah, I think Morrison's take on Jason is underrated. Lots of people hate it, but I thought both his bitterness and his loopiness and his full villain turn were really interesting and fun.
(I also like Winnick Jason, though, I admit.)
>>78253980
Winick's Jason had a shelf life, though. You can only play the "Jason had a tough life and is angry at Batman" card before it gets stale. Morrison deconstructed the sexy bad boy angle and took Jason to the next stage of his character arc.
And then Winick tried so hard to bring back "sexy Jason". And Lobdell went full-retard with it
