What's /co/'s opinion on the Avatar series?
I personally loved Korra more than ATLA, don't kill me.
ATLA is great, Korra is pretty bad.
i'm going to kill you, OP
>>78151787
Well, your taste is objectively shit, but I'm sure you have other redeeming qualities somehow.
ATLA was GOAT
I only watched the first season of Korra. It was okay until the ending, which felt rushed.
>>78151787
Where do you live OP? I'm gonna come kill you.
>>78151813
>>78151842
I get that S1 is was bad when the love story cam about, S2 was really weak, but S3 with the Red Lotus was GOAT-tier and S4 was Great-tier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsR9dNSzcO8
>>78151827
>>78151868
Wanna get a groupon for a bus so we go and kill OP together?
>>78151787
kidding aside why do you prefer Korra over ATLA?
>>78151895
S2 and S4 were both irredeemably bad. S1 was weak but they didn't know if they'd have more than one season when they started, so it gets some leeway. S3 was probably the strongest season they had but it's still a load of wasted potential that really doesn't live up ATLA.
>>78151935
I really liked that Korra was focused more somewhat present times, and the villains motives in each season were quite cool, Equalists in S1, Releasing Spirits in S2, Red Lotus in S3 and Fascism in S4.
I liked all the sub bender categories aswell like lava and metal bending, was cool to see branches off the base 4 elements.
Music was pretty dope too.
Is there no BD's for ATLA, only DVD?
>>78151787
Both are good. But LOK is the weaker of the two.
LOK ultimately lacks the two most important things that made ATLA so great
1) A well-planned coherent story spanning all seasons.
2) Enough episodes for the story and character development to be well-paced
Poor planning and poorly connected story and character arcs turned the unexpected second season into a disaster, and even in the better seasons, the fact that the number of episodes is cut in half completely fucks up the pacing.
Season 3 shows that when the team had the time and budget to plan a whole story through, they could make something pretty damned impressive. If they'd given Korra the same three-season deal they gave ATLA up front, I've no doubt it would have been a fucking amazing series.
As it stands, it's just good.
>>78152018
>motives were quite cool
>S1 "My daddy was a jerk!"
>S2 "MUH DARK AVATAR"
>S3 "MUH ANARCHY"
>S4 "MUH CONTROL"
>>78151787
ATLA starts weak, gets amazing and stays there for most of it's run, but then ending is so fucking bad and undermines the rest of the series so much that I can't agree with anyone who calls it a masterpiece.
Korra is pretty terrible throughout, though the 3rd season is decent. What's depressing is how much potential it keeps showing, only to throw it all away repeatedly.
>>78151787
Why does /co/ hate a gigantic hateboner for Korra, again?
>>78152747
Because it had so much potential and didn't utilize any of it.
>>78151895
S4 felt really rushed while S2 story wise was good but general character interaction and development except for korra were pretty bad
>>78152702
>muh
This why I never take anything from Korra haters seriously.
>>78152747
It's a really shitty show that won unwaranted praise by ending with lesbians who didn't kiss or do anything besides hold hands
>>78151787
>I personally loved Korra more than ATLA
what are your reasons for liking it more than ATLA?
>>78152802
>Muh taking anything seriously
>>78151787
How did you feel about amon killing himself it's what I wanted to do after I saw that 1st season.
>>78152702
>Ozai "MUH EMPIRE"
I can add muh and type in all caps too.
>>78152802
Except it's all completely true. Pretty much every villain appears to be possibly sympathetic for like half of the season, then inevitably reveals their one-dimensional Literally Hitler schemes.
>>78152701
Korra also had a terrible habit of Telling, not Showing.
rather than showing characters emotions and reactions to certain things, we got horribly awkward and wooden dialogue like "that is the saddest story I've ever heard."
ATLA
Book 1:
>Decent overall.
Book 2:
>GOAT throughout.
Book 3:
>Fantastic on Zuko's end, but Aang's ending is fucking awful.
TLOK:
Book 1:
>Starts extremely promising, then goes to shit at the end when Korra not only has her victory handed to her, but then gets all her problems solved for her, too.
Book 2:
>Garbage throughout, except Varrick. Don't believe anyone who says Wan's episodes are anything more than eye candy.
Book 3:
>Decent.
Book 4:
>An interesting mix of good and bad, worse than 3 but better than the first two. People talk too much about the lesbian thing (both praising and hating), considering it was like 2 seconds and had no impact on anything else.
>>78152877
>there were people who honestly couldn't tell that the s2 villain was going to be evil from the very first episode.
>>78152862
I hate the show too anon but the first season was good apart from Mako and the forced in Deus Ex Machina ending.
>>78152916
Well sure, everyone knew, but that doesn't mean you can't understand where a villain is coming from. All of Korra's villains seem like they might have a good point, then start twirling their mustache halfway through.
>>78152902
S2 gets way funnier when you remember that if Korra had just stayed in her igloo and done absolutely nothing for like three weeks nothing bad would have happened. The entire season is all her fault.
>>78152878
Again - a consequence of the lack of overall planning and lack of episodes.
At an average of 22 minutes per episode, the difference between 20 episodes and 12 is fucking three hours. That's twice the length of the average feature film - that's a LOT of time that could have been spent showing instead of telling, seeing characters develop instead of being told they developed, etc.
>>78151787
>LOK>ATLA
nigga you whack af
>>78152802
>Season 1
Amon and the equalist were good ideas but carried out very poorly (this can sum up the entire show). The actual reason behind it was because his dad was mean to him as a child so no one else can have bending in the world. And when outed all of his followers, who were willing to fight the Avatar for him, sudden;y gave up their beliefs.
>Season 2
The spirit world was fine in small doses but the shouldn't have been a main plot point. The Dark Avatar sounds like (and was) boring fanfiction. Having a main villain who's just a "dark" version of the hero is lazy.
>Season 3
I have nothing against the Red Lotus but they should've been in the hands of better writers and in a much better show
>Season 4
Kuriva was an interesting character who's views Korra couldn't even dispute. So what do they do make her commit over the top evil acts so you don't forget to root for the "hero", Korra.
Over all the show is average at best. They do nothing to build up their already established cast instead they keep throwing characters at you hoping something sticks. At times the main cast is either unlikable or just plain boring. The biggest problem though is the seasonal plots, which is Nick's fault. It makes it seem as if nothing in the previous seasons mattered. They tried to connect them with Korra being afraid of Amon still, spirits and being afraid of bending because of the Lotus (Korra's afraid of a lot of things). But it's still weak because most of those things barely have anything to do to the current plot. TLoK is what happens when executives try and cash in on a popular series. If it weren't for the porn Korra would be forgotten.
>>78153035
>a consequence of the lack of planning
That and only that.
Don't care how many ep the show should've gotten.
Good writing would've made the difference, which explains why the most I have ever cared about Mako and Bolin is from a fucking miniseries of flash animation.
>>78152949
>Well sure, everyone knew
no, no. What I'm saying is there there were people watching the show who didn't know he was the villain and were totally surprised when he revealed his evil plans.
>>78151787
My opinion is that these threads gain way too much traction because Korra was a mediocre show that leeched off ATLA's success, making it more controversial than ATLA, which was a vastly superior show.
So now we get these shitty Korra threads instead of ATLA (which has admittedly been discussed to death).
>>78151895
s4 is definately worse than s1 going by Korrasami alone. If we include robot and poor character resolutions it's not even close.
>>78152701
How do you explain season 4 being pretty bad since they knew and could plan for that to follow book 3?
>>78151787
Last Airbender is better because it allowed for the characters and villains to be fleshed out more. Korra was way too rushed and lacked focus.
It wanted to tell big stories with only half the time to spend telling it. Subplots get brought up and resolved either within the episode or next one making the viewer wonder why they were even brought up.
I think the worst thing was season three where we're given almost no backstory to the Red Lotus and why they're trying to kill the avatar outside of what the founding members planned. We only learn a small amount about Zaheer and his junior high level concept of anarchy and that everyone will just be peaceful without people ruling over them. We know nothing about the earth bender or water bender besides their special way of bending. The female combustion bender makes a brief statement about not wanting to go back to the fire nation and be a tool to the firelord, then dies afterwards, ignoring that tidbit of information. That's something that should have gotten some focus on and even brought up to Korra as she's the one fighting for the side of there being governing parties. This would have given a good dynamic as Korra is allies with Zuko, could make things awkward and bring in some moral grayness. The only example of a bad ruler was the earth queen that was more like a saturday cartoon villain than anything realistic.
Just a reminder
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AksrehOoT4s
>>78154650
Don't think anyone needs to be reminded of this shit.
>>78151787
atla a best.
korra had a nice body but her show kind of sucked.
>>78154650
Do people think this is a good in universe relationship or are they just projecting their headcanon with the show?
>>78155106
Just like asshats on here mad because there headcanon got destroyed
>>78155171
What headcanon? The only thing I can think from here is that one fag who kept posting his Koh is Amon theory
>>78155106
Definately projecting. The obvious give away is that whenever people read fanfics, makes fanart or talks about the relationship the characters have nothing in common with those in the show.
>>78155216
No the ones saying that bending came from the moon and other animals when the forms came from them
>>78155360
That's not head canon, it's actual canon from ATLA
>>78155392
No its not
>>78155402
It is from ATLA. Yue says their ancestors looked at the waves that were influenced by the moon and learned how to bend
>I thought Season 4 would have a genuine "Shades of grey" conflict between Kuivara and Republic City
>MFW they just made her the bad guy.
>>78155402
They said waterbenders leaned bending from the moon while they were in the north pole and during the tunnel episode the badger moles are said to be the first earth benders
>>78155402
It is both said and shown that people learned bending from the original benders. Sky Bison, Dragons, Badger Moles and the Moon. When the moon died they couldn't use water bending anymore.
None of that is headcanon.
>>78151787
Just several reasons Korra is significantly flawed.
>1) It was fucking ruined by stop-start scheduling. Season 1 was originally considered the only the only one they'd get, and Season 2 was wrecked by funding cuts. They couldn't consistently plan.
>2) Aang gave every supporting character an arc. Katarra was trained, Sokka became a leader, Toph escaped her parents, and Zuko converted to the light. Mako, Bolin, and Asami didn't really improve as people as the series progressed.
>3) Asami is really bland, and Mako is just a grumpy character, but not even in a funny way like Lin. Only Bolin sorta works, but he's still a poor man's Sokka.
>4)Trying to play off love triangles between these characters you don't give a shit about is not going to make you like the show.
>5)Season 1 ended virtually without consequence, and Korra learned absolutely nothing by the next season.
>6)Season 2. Virtually everything was awful, including the Avatar backstory, which was a boring, binary tale of good and evil, which wasn't even explored as well as it could have been.
There are plenty of smaller ones, but these are just the worst offenders.
>>78155442
Bryke have never been able to do grey. The closest they had was Zuko, who was always good and just didn't know which side was right at first.
>>78155440
>>78155459
>>78155460
No thay got the forms from them not the bending
>>78155442
Why would there be any nuance or character arcs when you could just Korra fight a big robot with a laser
>>78155585
The Moon being dead took away peoples bending. That supports people getting bending from the original sources.
What is there to deny it?
>>78155631
No it doesn't
>>78155686
Why else would there be a connection?
And what information do you have to contradict the conclusion?
>>78155738
Whay do I need to explain myself to you all you will do is just hate anything I say so no
>>78155804
Because you said it was headcanon when it's clearly not.
>>78155585
controlling elements and bending them are two different things, anon
>>78155585
>>78155998
No, they specifically stated in AtLA that they learned bending from them. Korra's the one that adds a discrepancy between bending as an element-controlling skill and bending as its art form. Just like it twists what the Lion Turtle said of "we bent not the elements but the energies within ourselves". In the original the context speaks of "we" as "the people of the past". Whereas Korra takes it as "literally we lion turtles did that, but we gave you guys the power to bend just elements."
Lesbians.
>>78151787
The first two seasons of ATLA were okay and had some good moments, the third season was great and I was satisfied with the fourth season. I didn't even mind the pacifist asspull ending too much.
LOK had only a single season I was able to partially enjoy; purely for the fights so long as I didn't pay attention to the story. It was garbage.
Between the suddenly lesbians ending (as a gay man, I like seeing some representation, but fuck that out-of-the-blue pandering), the Dark Avatar dumbfuckery, and losing the connection to the previous Avatars 5ever, Legend of Korra is the equivalent of the Star Wars prequels in terms of being a fucking disappointment whose canon fucked up whatever potential the series had left. The whole Raava + LionTurtleGiveFire thing was way less interesting than the idea of humans picking up the basics from nature and the animals, then having a history of hundreds of Avatars gradually building a collective pool of knowledge to badassdom.
I liked virtually all the characters in ATLA to a certain extent, but struggled to like anyone in Korra.
>>78155631
>>78155585
For me, the moon thing was a bit confusing from a canon perspective, I'm too lazy to think about it, plus Korra muddled with that shit anyway so why even fucking bother.
>>78156143
>>78155442
this is exactly my feeling with ALL the Korra villains. Bryan and Mike tried to make them grey and just made a huge mess. Season 2 was especially bad
>>78156269
>four seasons of Avatar.
>>78156792
There was no grey. Amon's plan was straight up evil and had nothing to do with bringing balance but control through fear, Unalaq was just evil and wanted to rule the human and spirit worlds, Zaheer was an idiot who had no real understanding that anarchy does not bring about peace but the complete opposite and Kuvira was a power hungry fascist in the end. That whole "you're just trying to prove yourself" bullshit Korra said to her in the end was stupid and a cop out for her real intentions. Amon and Kuvira might have had more fleshed out backgrounds but their present actions are far from grey.
>>78158058
Imagine an alternate world where Aaron Ehasz and other ATLA writers were kept for Korra
>goes and rewatch the very first episode of season one Korra
Holy shit, I forgot how beautiful this show used to look. What the fuck happened?
>>78156269
...There wasn't a fourth season
>>78152869
and yet he's still an objectively better antagonist than anything or anyone that came afterwards
but hey, at least you vented off
>>78152916
I thought that was so obvious that the twist would be that he wasn't actuallly the villain
Daily reminder Korra haters are gigantic memers.
>NOT MUH A:TLA
>>78154175
The concept book says that the combustion woman was a slave and a weapon for a warlird of the Fire Nation. Not sure of Zuko hás really something to do with it.
>>78153914
Excellent picture.
>>78158452
I think it was just a fact they only had 13 episodes, but wrote the stories as if they were for a full season which was big issue. You don't get to have an episode or two to just relax with the characters and get to know them better. I mean they wanted to make Kuvira come off as grey but she wasn't. You never see anyone from the Earth kingdom happy, besides the capital, she came in and helped. The only time we see her offer protection was shown as more of a mob boss coming in and offering it and the mayor sees right through her bullshit, calling her out on the fact she only wants the ores in their mountains and would strip mine them. He only gives in because they're so desperate for supplies. Why not show an area that was devastated by bandits and made peaceful again that didn't involve being bullied into doing so?
>>78158776
I don't hate it because for the sake of it being a meme. I'm disappointed in how it was presented and handled.
>>78158894
See that should have been brought up. She only makes that quick remark about the Firelord and then it's never mentioned again. Having to read up on a character from to better understand them shows they failed to present that character to the audience. All we're shown is she works for Zaheer, is dating him and vaguely has a past with the fire nation. Show an actual dark side of governing bodies. The cartoonishly evil Earth Queen was an awful straw man example because she was more psychotic than a person that knows right from wrong and making dark choices beyond self-serving.
AtLA was pretty good overall.
Korra is okay taken by itself- average, probably- but the fact that it came in on the coattails of AtLA, while spitting all over the philosophy it had espoused made people dislike it.
>>78158488
budget cuts, and the Naruto team happened to the first half of season 2
>>78159510
they -really- can't do any kind of forshortening.
>>78158776
>Thread filled with decent criticism of TLoK
>if you don't like it's just a maymay
It is a bad show.
>>78158488
S1 had amazing music and visuals, it was completely let down by the writing.
>>78151787
>I personally loved Korra more than ATLA, don't kill me.
I don't need to kill you, because your taste is so bad you'll probably end up drinking poison and killing yourself.
>>78158776
sorry you can't gather the validation you need from a nipponese funnies forum to enjoy your favorite thing
>>78159609
Oh god I hated the fact that Korra never learned from her mistakes, season one was especially irritating. Just when it looked like she was learning patience and forward thinking she storms the equalist meeting without a plan.
OP, you do know people here just hate Korra just to be "le edgy 4channers", right?
>>78159960
The posters counter didn't go up you samefagging fucktard.
>>78159971
See what I mean?
>>78154097
Bryke can't do endings. Korra had 3 of them.
Look at it this way:
ATLA book 1: We've got 2 more books to go. Let's do a great ending!
ATLA book 2: one more book after this. Let's make the best fucking season finale ever!
ATLA book 3: Last book, we'd better stick in a Turtle Lion out of nowhere!
LoK book 1: We've only got one mini-series - better end it.
Lok book 2: We don't know if we've got another series after this. Better end it!
LoK book 3: We've got one more book after this! Better not end it.
Lok book 4: Last book. Let's end with Lesbians.
>>78160049
That doesn't explain why the last book was bad when they had 2 season to plan out.
The usual excuse is that if only they knew how long they had it would have been good. As it turns out they had Book 3 and 4 at the same time and still fucked it up. So that excuse doesn't hold.
>>78151787
>don't kill me.
Don't be silly Anon, to kill you I would need to know where you live.
>>78159997
lol troll harder
>>78151787
I know you are probably just trying to annoy people, but LoK really was just a huge disappointment that constantly fumbled anything good it had going for it.
If you like LoK more than AtLA, then you must prefer it for some pretty shallow reasons, I would find it very hard to believe that you thought LoK had a better story, characters and exploration of the Avatar universe. AtLA just felt like a tighter written series that had some great ideas behind it, knew what it was doing and played to its strengths where LoK had some good ideas to begin with, but just never really developed them or brought anything substantial to the table, it just squandered every big opportunity it had and never developed its characters or over-arcing stories very much. I'd say AtLA is a more mature take on less mature material where LoK is a less mature take on more mature material.
I mean, it was great to see the Avatar universe again, and things did pick up a lot for season 3, but LoK really gives off that "Star Wars Prequel" vibe, flashier but less substantial fights included.
>>78159915
But as long as she "feels" right, it's okay. That's all this show ever was Korra is right regardless of what logic says. The fact she was 100% right about Yamato despite everything she was going on was circumstantial and just her feelings really fucking pissed me off.
>>78152789
>S2 story wise was good
U wat nigga?
>water tribes warring for literally no given reason
>unneeded, forced relationship bullshit crammed into all-but-two episodes
>lore-"building" episodes which contradict all previously established lore and bring the whole mystic origin of the Avatars down to "Good God vs Evil God. Good God wins. Now there is Avatar. Yay."
>the fucking DARK AVATAR
I could probably have listed more stuff at the time, but it's been over two yeas since it aired and I've tried to forget a lot of it. But those are main points as to why it was absolutely, irrevocably fan-fic-tier garbage. I actually liked Korra overall, but S2's story was terrible.
you want to know one thing that really stood out to me?
How Varrick proposed war profiteering, and everyone cheerfully agreed. this wasn't just a war, this was a water tribe CIVIL WAR. and everyone just responded like.. like it was some kind of episode of some high school show. like this was a bake sale to help Asami save her company.
>>78151859
It was. Amon was supposed to last two seasons, then they were told shortly before the end they might not get a season two, so they had to wrap up his story at the last minute.
>>78161139
I really hated how they were so angry with Varrick for trying to create the false circumstances to start the war, WHEN THEY HAD JUST INTRICATELY PLANNED A WAY FOR THE REPUBLIC TO INTERVENE BY FAKING A SHIPPING INCIDENT.
>>78153174
>The spirit world was fine in small doses but the shouldn't have been a main plot point.
Dude the season is literally named Spirits.
The Republic was a mistake
Air benders are incredibly privileged
>>78163184
I know I'm saying they shouldn't have went with Spirits for the season at all
Both shows were pretty ok, sometimes even great.
LOK needed more episodes, TLA needed less.
>>78163338
All of the TLA episodes had some kind of information or characterization. Except for maybe The Great Divide
Avatar was the best cartoon to air during the last decade while korra was a shitshow that left a legacy of disappointment and great porn.
>>78160127
They can't do endings in general.
The only good season finales they've ever done across both shows were cliff-hangers.
>>78151787
0/10
>>78163931
Sure, but that doesn't mean that book 4 was good. The idea that planning would have solved the issue of Book 1 and 2 is false, because they did plan book 3 and 4 but 4 is still bad. It seems more likey that 3 was just luck or better because they didn't have to resolve anything.
>>78153008
Everything from Book 2 on is her fault.
