How cold is Captain Cold's gun? If it's able to freeze light, it must be pretty damn cold.
Are you retarded? Light contains solid particles called photons
>>78120416
>How cold is Captain Cold's gun? If it's able to freeze light, it must be pretty damn cold.
Nearly as cold as Superman's breath, which can freeze ghosts
>>78120416
this isnt as dumb as the shows version of the super sonic punch.
>>78120416
Well it isn't freezing light. Lasers are not visible like that anyway unless there is a lot of dust particles in the air. So clearly, the gun is freezing the dirt and dust in the air around the beam of light, and causing the system to shut down temporarily. He even says that the system will start up again soon.
How even if he did "freeze light", that would do shit for the security system as the beam would be interrupted and cause the alarm to go off.
>>78120416
You have to be able to tell tongue-in-cheek if you want to enjoy the Flash, man. It has the in-universe rules of a Saturday morning cartoon from the late 90's, just with live actors and a 2010's aesthetic.
Especially when Captain Cold is on screen.
>>78120416
Speed Force or some shit
>>78120585
Fuck you, I'm sick of this fucking meme /co/ has created as an excuse for piss poor writing. You can't just explain every thing that happens in Flash by Speed Force.
>>78120592
You've lost your connection to the speed force, that's why you're so upset over something so trivial.
>>78120427
>things without mass
>solid
>>78120427
I'm pretty sure you can't freeze quanta of electromagnetic radiation.
>>78120592
>You can't just explain every thing that happens in Flash by Speed Force.
Yes you can.
>>78120666
I'm pretty sure Pym Particles work the same way, even across Universes.
>>78120416
Cisco mentioned off-hand that it can reduce things 0 kelvin. You're already pissing on physics with that so why not run with it
>>78120592
/co/ did not create that meme, dude. It's way older than /co/. Asshats have been saying that in comic shops to explain Flash shit since Waid's run.
>>78120416
As the resident neckbeards proclaiming their Coldgod have explain multiple times before, Captain Cold's gun doesn't actually freeze stuff or even lower its temperature, it literally inhibits motion at the quantum scale. The resulting drop in temperature is just a byproduct.
>>78120659
http://io9.com/scientists-freeze-light-for-an-entire-minute-912634479
>>78120592
It's better that way. You want an explanation? You know what happened when Cyclops' power was explained? His eyes are doorways to a dimension of concussive force.
No. Call all the Flash stuff Speed Force and leave it at that.
>>78120732
Yea that is pretty much it, its the reason giving him actual "cold powers" doesn't really work.
>>78120732
>it literally inhibits motion at the quantum scale.
That's what freezing is you fucknut.
>>78120740
scott's real superpower is the ability to have a neck that can withstand the recoil of his eyebeams
>>78120675
>We will never get a Pym/Barry Allen analogue
A combination of Speed Force and Pym Particles would almost reach King Crimson levels of "It just works."
>>78120427
This...this IS bait, right?
>>78120592
>You can't just explain every thing that happens in Flash by Speed Force.
When will you learn?
The speed force is literally the movement of the story. That's why there's always a Flash doing big shit in events.
>>78120822
This is why you don't take your scientific education from comic books.
>>78120822
Freezing isn't absolute zero
>>78120740
>both of Cyclops' brothers take in energy from outside sources and release it at will
>explanation for Cyclops' power is LOL LASER DIMENSION
Fucking Marvel.
>>78120945
Nigga what?
>>78120955
You got something better?
>>78120916
the speed force is a meme, a true, literal memetic force of the DC universe as a metafictional tool
>>78120828
It's not produced in his body though. Literally all he does is open a gateway to a dimension. It's like a flamethrower but of concussive energy.
>>78120863
>You can't move because I shrank your momentum to negative levels
>and since time is a property of motion, you're frozen here in stasis for good
>(you can't hear me, I just like the sound of my voice)
>and now your body is producing negative amounts of movement. the stasis field will grow exponentially, consume the whole universe, and trigger a big crunch
>so long as I expand my momentum in proportion, I'll survive and be standing here in the new universe with all my stolen loot, but no one will know where I got it
>the perfect crime
>>78120955
There was also a time when his powers were vaguely solar based, in contrast with Havoc's Cosmic Blasts.
>>78120966
literally the thing he just said about the other summers boys and how their laser power works?
>>78120968
exactly
>>78120416
Why do people care about freezing lightning but not magnetic bombs and speed-magic?
>>78120416
>this thread
>>78121011
genius!
>>78121003
I still don't get the magnet bombs thing.
That was a new level of nonsense even for the show.
>>78121021
It just works!
>>78121039
something about quantum entanglement
>>78120956
Cold's gun shoots absolute zero, referring to it as freezing things is an understatement as freezing happens at a much higher temperature
>>78120916
>>78120968
Speed force is grant Morrison??
>>78121003
i care about the dark matter.
your particle accelerator did not release a torrent of dark matter.
even if it did, this wave of dark matter would have interacted with jack fucking shit as it went wherever.
they could have said any random unquantified energy field and it would have the exact same impact on the story and be a million times more believable.
>>78121039
They did something to give one bix the properties of "being from earth 2" and then used quantum entaglement bullshit to spread that property to the rest of the boxes, which allowed them to be attracted to the open wormhole.
Yeah it makes zero sense regardless.
>>78121042
>>78121069
It released magical plot energy.No, literally, ripped a hole open in the bleed and allowed story-stuff to leak into the universe, kickstarting the events of the show.
>>78121069
>they could have said any random unquantified energy field and it would have the exact same impact on the story and be a million times more believable.
Dark matter sounds cool, though.
>>78121081
He seemed surprised. Was he trying to take the whole body?
>>78121107
i really would be less perturbed if that was the actual explanation. imagine a world where the characters are aware of plot armor
>>78121067
Grant is just a prophet, he doesn't make the rules
>>78121146
>imagine
>>78121060
>freezing happens at a much higher temperature
You've technically got me there but if you're going to be that pedantic about it "shooting absolute zero" sounds even more retarded.
>expecting anything short of cartoon physics from The Flash
Seriously, /co/? Take it or leave it as you will, but it's pretty much intrinsic to The Flash's universe since the silver age.
>>78121125
dark energy sounds even cooler, still not going to interact with stuff. they might as well have said neutrinos came out of the thing, at least there is a tiny chance they would interact with something, and they very low chance of that would explain why there are so few metahumans when the blast hit all of central city
>>78121144
God knows if I was paying attention to the plot.
>>78121181
That's canonically what his gun does, just accept it
>>78121171
i sometimes forget deadpool is a thing because i only read him in events and it seems like a joke the writers are all in on.
>>78120909
Do all photons of visible light pass through your skin? How can something that isn't a particle (some of the time) bounce?
>>78121194
Dark matter has an 'r' in it, so it sounds cooler.
>>78121194
I assumed eventually they'd get to the point of figuring out that it's not the accelerator alone that caused it but they don't seem to be getting there now
>>78120592
>You can't just explain every thing that happens in Flash by Speed Force
>>78121215
Also, it's a cyclotron he can assemble with household parts from a hardware store. Roll with it.
>>78121215
Where does he find the absolute zero to load his gun with? Why can't people just pick up the absolute zero and throw it back at him?
>>78121279
Because it's too cold, that's why he wears the Parka.
>>78121257
>mfw i only DC non comic formats, games, saturday morning cartoons, live action movies/shows
its the fucking x-gene, which company did it first?
>>78121181
>>78121215
>>78121279
Isn't it technically 'absolute cold'? Which is even weirder and more abstract than 'absolute zero', since it doesn't fucking even exist.
>>78121311
X-gene came first. That page is from a 80s DC crossover called Invasion that introduced the metagene.
>>78121223
Oh god, you were serious.
Yes, light is made up of photos, and yes, those photons can bounce. But that still doesn't mean they can freeze. I can't even believe I have to explain this.
>>78120416
cold engine.
slow down sub-atomic movement to a halt.
it could freeze light.hey, it's a tv series, anything is possile
>>78121326
I'm a different guy, just pointing out that photons do have a physical component.
>>78120416
>>78120529
>>78120575
>>78120592
>>78120621
>>78120659
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/130806111151.htm
Bringing light to a halt: Physicists freeze motion of light for a minute
Date:
August 6, 2013
Source: Technische Universität Darmstadt
Summary: Physicists have been able to stop something that has the greatest possible speed and that never really stops: light. A decade ago, physicists stopped it very for a short moment. In recent years, this extended towards stop times of a few seconds for simple light pulses in extremely cold gases and special crystals. But now the same researchers extended the possible duration and applications for freezing the motion of light considerably. The physicists stopped light for about one minute. They were also able to save images that were transferred by the light pulse into the crystal for a minute -- a million times longer than previously possible.
>>78121311
Basically, the Dominators kidnapped a bunch of humans and exposed them to physical trauma to get data from the metagene, so they could mass produce super powers.
It's similar to Animal Man being tied to the red and Alex Holland and Poison Ivy being attached to the green.
>>78121314
Absolute zero is absolute cold.
It's a gun that has the effect of robbing whatever it hits of massive amounts of thermal energy, just fucking roll with it.
>>78121077
I don't mind the magnetism. Whatever, you know? But how did the bombs get through the house ceilings?
>>78121353
haha I remember that, ordering the lambs to step in the test zone.
good old times.
>>78121222
there is canonically a secret infinity gem called the continuity stone, which only Deadpool is aware of, which grants him meta-awareness, including the fact that something being canon is pointless if no other writer acknowledges it.
There's also Gwen Poole, an ordinary human from a world with Marvel comics but not supers, who wound up in 616 and immediately concluded that she'll need plot armor to survive and that she'll need to be a superhero to get plot armor.
There's also Madcap, who has the ability to manipulate the 4th wall ala Duck Amuck
There's also She-Hulk, who learned, from an ex-superhero that wanted to get back into am ongoing comic book so that she would stop aging again, to use similar powers to Madcap in Byrne's run
There's also Loki, who, is aware of the narrative 'gravity' of the universe that will keep compelling him to become a villain because that's how the stories go
>>78121376
The Continuity Stone isn't canon.
>>78121279
>Why can't people just pick up the absolute zero and throw it back at him?
I fully expect that to happen in the show.
>>78121223
Like all fundamental particles, photons display properties of both classical particles and waves. They have momentum but also a characteristic frequency/wavelength.
Photons/electromagnetic waves reflect, refract, diffract, interfere, and scatter.
>>78121395
It is if you believe in it.
>>78121376
>There's also Gwen Poole, an ordinary human from a world with Marvel comics but not supers, who wound up in 616 and immediately concluded that she'll need plot armor to survive and that she'll need to be a superhero to get plot armor.
WHAT
no way.
this is too brilliant to be Marvel
>>78121367
Yeah, I'm saying that 'absolute cold' means more that the real physics concept of 'absolute zero', since it contains the bullshit properties of freezing whatever the writers need, even if it means literal magic conversion of photons into water-based ice and stop the lasers from emitting altogether.
But it's basically people missing the point of the show or the comics. These a premise statements and concepts, not conclusions. They didn't arrive at the bullshit science stage, they started there. They said fuck logic from the get go, so arguing against it is pointless, so either enjoy it or watch something else.
>>78121376
i liked the bit where the sentry altered reality to make himself a comic book character, thought it was a good way to rid himself of the identity while also preserving the balance of his existing.
>>78121412
It's true. Check out ANAD Howard the Duck, or just look for Gwenpool Storytime in the archive
>>78120416
> speed force
> as the flash accelerates so too must his villains
It explains why his rogues' abilities scale exponentially while other characters' rogues seem to scale linearly. Yet The Rights still act like common thief because reasons.
Truly speed force is best meta creature.
>>78121412
Also, how does she acquirer put armor?
>>78121376
On DC's side we also have Ambush Bug, which is basically Giffen's Id run amok. Animal Man is also vaguely aware of the narrative nature of the universe and Lemire's run directly references his meeting with Morrison.
>>78121583
putting on a mask and get herself involved in superhero-ish things like picking fights with Black Cat, messing with Hydra, and acting like a huge mary sue that can't fail. Getting a bit in a Christmas special and being drawn by Gurihiru probably helps,
>>78121649
The problem with that strategy is that she may only hit "C List" status and then get killed off unceremoniously in Marvel's next event.
>>78121350
There's got to be a way to use this to travel to other planets quickly.
>>78121671
yeah, it's a gamble for sure. the self-referential feedback loop is pretty intense, it could honestly go in any direction.
On the other hand, she expliciteley says she doesn't just want plot armor but also the possibility of just coming back whenever she dies, with only the barest excuses to how. If she's lucky she could hit that Kenny niche where the writers don't even bother anymore, she dies every time she appears but is alive and well the next book she shows up in with no explanation because that's her 'thing'
>>78121796
So hit fan popularity then.
