There was a thread yesterday about "character defining pages", and somebody posted this one about Carol Danvers, back when she was still Ms. Marvel. One reply to it got me:
>I'm tired of writers thinking she was ever a good person.
I thought all there was to Carol was that she was a fighter pilot. Is she supposed to be a bitch or something?
>>78119521
She had a severe alcoholism problem that led to her wounding Lockjaw and getting kicked out of the Avengers.
That and she's actually always been a right-wing hawk in terms of politics, but that's another thing KSD chose to ignore.
>>78119521
>>78119521
I never read that shit but from what I understand she has some Kree genes in her or something which makes her more susceptible to enjoying being a bloodthirsty warrior.
And that pages looks like she killed some, I don't know, a really fruity Skrull, so she probably has a HUGE Kree boner.
>>78119521
She's not a person lefties should be praising.
>>78119521
>Is she supposed to be a bitch or something?
Mhm.
>>78119521
she's a loose cannon, but in the cowboy cop kind of way rather than a 'just nuked the white house' way you normally see in supers
>>78119521
I never read too much into that scene, nowhere near as much as others seem to find. Earth was undergoing a full-scale alien invasion. With super-powered troops. Carol is ex-military, she isn't going to have a Silver Age "no killing allowed" mentality, especially not during a time of war.
It was just a way to differentiate her from, say, Spidey's pollyanna no-killing stance and a soldier's viewpoint of the matter. "invade *my* home? you're going to die now, and i'm going to take what little enjoyment i'll get today out of watching you expire".
>>78119521
I thought her defining moment was her being raped by her son from the future
>>78119562
I kind of want to see Judge Danvers in Mega City One now.
And my favorite quote:
>What I like about Carol is that she pulls off the Maverick archetype without being two-dimensional about it. She's what Hal Jordan would be if Hal were a good character. She's got Tony Stark's swagger and over-abundance of confidence, Steve Roger's discipline and military training, and raw power enough to rival Thor (unless Aaron is writing him it seems). And despite all that, she's still very much her own character, with her own flavors of compassionate and flippant and humorous. If I had to sum Carol up in one word, it'd be "liberation" and that's a beautiful thing.
>>78119569
He wasn't really her son though, it was just some space prince or something who birthed himself into our dimension through Carol.
>>78119562
>best friends with one spider-woman, hates the other
>>78119577
>She's what Hal Jordan would be if Hal were a good character
>raw power enough to rival Thor
>>78119577
She's also literally none of those things.
Holy fucking shit. It's like they are trying not to read comics.
>>78119585
>birthed himself into our dimension through Carol
>birth from Carol
>not her son
>later fucks her
>>78119604
It's from another forum.
>>78119604
>>78119588
>>78119577
>>78119577
Sounds like you're describing She-Hulk
>>78119577
>She's what Hal Jordan would be if Hal were a good character. She's got Tony Stark's swagger and over-abundance of confidence, Steve Roger's discipline and military training, and raw power enough to rival Thor
>>78119577
>She's what Hal Jordan would be if Hal were a good character.
Ouch
>>78119567
Yeah, she's definitely not an "Avengers Don't Kill!" type.
>>78119577
The fact that the commenter can only explain why she loves Carol by saying she's better than more popular male heroes (of which she obviously is ignorant) speaks volumes as to why she ACTUALLY likes the character. "Fans" like this drag the character down. Fucking dumbasses.
>>78119821
But there are actual points there.
Oh, and good going assuming only women can like her.
You tell me.
>>78119536
>That and she's actually always been a right-wing hawk in terms of politics, but that's another thing KSD chose to ignore.
Those are rarer in superhero comics than coming back from the dead.
>>78119867
man, she pissed off a lot of spiders during civil war
I want to read a series where she goes into space and fights the Brood and has space adventures.
>>78119953
I've only read the first Civil War. How many are there? I know that they are making a new one.
>>78119577
You're either a feminist or Stan Lee trying to pitch his "next greatest character ever"
>>78120001
What is wrong with you people? Seriously!
>>78120075
Thank you
>>78120117
no problem
>>78120081
It really was silly for a military officer to dress like that.
Or at least, for a hardass like Carol.
>>78119567
Most sane soldiers don't take joy out of killing.
Relief sure, but pleasure is tip toeing the line of crazy.
Carol would have made a good Nazi.
>>78119624
He just used her vagina as a gateway to our world.
Wouldn't really be her son unless he also took her genetics when assuming his form. Which he probably did...
>>78120230
A hot one
>>78120230
The best
>>78120075
Since when do we count civil war in these things? Only person who felt like they stayed in character was Spidey
>>78120169
Character-wise, I don't think she gave a fuck.
Reality-wise, comics.
Either way, it was a dumb costume, sure. But there certainly have been worse.
>>78120441
>thwack
What a satisfying punch.
>>78120343
She liked it. It's more endorsement than most swimsuit costumes get, and it wasn't giving her a vag wedgie at the time either. (sorry, storytimer, this page is relevant)
>>78120465
Is no problem
>>78120466
Oh my god, Carol is a terrible human being.
>>78120492
Gotta be fair, you can't really judge people based on Civil War.
Did anyone say anything about her acts during Civil War?
>>78119867
Didn't the mom break the law? A bullshit law but a law none the less. Cops have been breaking up familys for that since laws have existed. It's not new
>>78120511
It's the most character she's ever had.
>>78120539
Doesn't make it okay.
>>78120539
Yeah, that's brought up: >>78119964
She did eventually get them back together and to refuge in Canada. Not sure if they've met since then.
>miss marvel is a literally who
>decide to call her captain marvel to spite DC
>give her a lesbian hairdo and pretend she's important
>it works and feminists love her
Marvel is the fucking worst
>>78120634
>tfw her and Pete never hooked up before KSD turned her into a retard
It hurts
>>78120670
Sad
>>78120634
>expect new Ms. Marvel to be SJW pandering
>instead it's the biggest fanboy waifu bait since Kitty Pryde
I didn't ask for these feels
>>78120716
I hate that Marvel felt they had to market that book to pander instead of relying on the quality of it. Although it probably wouldn't have had the audience if they went that way
>>78120193
>>78120479
Muh OTP.
Say what you will, I liked Bitch Carol a lot.
>>78120724
I enjoyed it far more thoroughly than I ever expected to, and it had the most depressing ending I could imagine for a teenager-focused comic.
If SJWs actually buy comics, at least they can support some good ones.
RIP mike
>>78120724
Marvel didn't market it as A MUSLIM BOOK, you're thinking of clickbait sites. Journalism isn't marketing in the way you're thinking of.
>>78120616
"Carol, did you come here to help me kidnap this little girl or not?"
>>78120755
Best carol
>>78120700
Man at least they were fun. Neither of them had to act like adults
>>78120783
Rogue had time to change her clothes between pages and then she questions Carols costume?
>>78120441
I get the message Julia was trying to send, but the execution was moronic. It doesn't exactly look good when she throws the first punch. Plus how stupid is it when she puts her own daughter right in the middle of the battlezone?
>>78120801
Now kiss.
>>78120770
Are you forgetting that Marvel themselves were trying to push her as the first Muslim hero?Completely ignoring Faiza cause lol who?
>>78120802
Forget it, Jake. It's Civil War.
>>78120783
Which costume is she refering to here?
>>78120853
I think warbird
>>78120853
Warbird look
>>78120821
Faiza doesn't count, hooking up with an infidel is haaram.
>>78120853
Literally the costume the other Carol is wearing. That said, I don't remember her ever wearing it before.
>>78120492
>at least she didn't assassinate her friends and told them that they should just shut up because she forgot all about it afterwards
>>78120876
But in her current book, Kamala is butthurt because her haraam Bruno is dating someone else, and in Avengers she's in a love triangle with haraam Miles and haraam Sam.
>>78120896
Also she had one non-haraam Muslim boyfriend and he turned out to be an evil supremacist.
>>78120896
Teenage pregnancy arc when?
>>78120920
>wanting Kamala's brother to take up honor killing
Nah man nah
>>78120896
Wait, what? I noticed them setting up Kamala and Nova, but I haven't noticed Bruno with a GF.
>>78120930
>implying he won't become the comically wacky uncle to the kid
>>78120933
I think it was literally the first issue of the relaunched Ms. Marvel series where Kamala discovers Bruno is dating a fat girl named Michaela. She gets upset about it and even makes fat jokes that Bruno scolds her for.
>>78120933
Bruno has a girl in the first issue. Kamala has been so busy as an Avenger, she only JUST noticed.
>>78120948
>"Yes, beta, you can play with electrical equipment in the bathtub! Your kaffir blood will protect you!"
>>78120964
How many issues you wanna do storytimer?
>>78120933
He's literally dating Rosie the Riveter
>>78119577
>Steve Roger's discipline
BULL FUCKING SHIT
>>78120912
>an evil supremacist.
He believes that evil people should only breed and associate with evil people because otherwise their genetic memory heritage of evil would be dilluted and their culture of evil be lost?
>>78120994
this the Last one
>>78121013
Yeah, makes sense.
>>78121012
Evil culture of evil or just regular culture of evil?
>>78121009
Don't you remember that time Steve became an alcoholic? They're just like each other
Except she's now better cause her alcoholic arc never happened since LOL MINDWIPE
>>78121012
No, he believes Inhumans are superior and should cull the lesser races to take over the Earth.
>>78121023
>>78120466
I always loved how evil the Avengers tower looked. Its like ironic but not.
>>78121040
>mah powers
Literally Comics - the quote.
>>78121007
>>78120957
>>78120958
At least someone gets to be happy and cuddle.
>>78121057
LOL
>>78121033
But that's just an X-man.
Carol is literally the worst character to hold the Ms/Captain Marvel name in history.
>>78121078
Carol making mistakes RIP
>>78121096Sharon ventura
>ywn again read a story of Carol fighting crazy extradimensional religious fundamentalist counterparts
>>78121159
I liked that Brian Reed tried to form a rogue gallery around her, and then nobody bothered to follow up on it.
>>78121195
>>78121182
>>78121177
And KSD's second volume starts off with her fucking off into space because life on earth is haaaaard.
>>78121219
>And KSD's second volume starts off with her fucking off into space because life on earth is haaaaard
At least she's not black like Star-Lord's sister.
>>78121245
For now
>>78121273
Hah, Carol becoming black so she can fit in with Ultimates.
>>78120195
A bunch of them do bro. Come on now.
>>78120483
You come home one evening and Rogue is going through your fridge. What do you do?
>>78120783
>Your costume change while I wasn't lookin
>Rogue's costume literally changed between issues
POTTERY
>>78121421
Rogue
>>78119577
>raw power enough to rival thor
hahaha, binary wishes
>>78121526
my nigga
>>78119672
In Bro's defense, when she was Warbird she was powerful enough to steamroll Thor.
Not normally, though.
>>78120539
Go to bed Tony
>>78119567
Carol also blatantly broke the Avengers's no-kill policy during Kang Dynasty, impaling the Master of the Earth with a hunk of metal so that earth could take control of the defensive technology he was using to blackmail the planet with.
She was visibly shocked when they aquitted her actions as understandable under the circumstances. Kang blowing up washington DC and killing everyone who couldn't be evacuated because of MoE's defenses trapping them there probably had something to do with it.
>>78120716
mfw
>>78121764
>Avengers's no-kill policy
Lol how cute anon.
>>78119964
Holy shit a reasonable argument.
"What she should get special treatment?"
"Fuck, Tony, WE BOTH DID."
>>78121126
So whatever happened to this version of Carol?
>>78120539
laws that violate human rights are illegal, enforcing those laws is a crime, and there is no crime in resisting such unlawful arrests
>>78121849
No idea
>>78121872
>>78121849
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Carol_Danvers_(Earth-7192)/Appearances
Literally her only appearances apparently. Gone the why of that Scorpion clone of Ultimate Peter.
>>78119521
I've never read Ms Marvel, but everytime Carol was in an Avengers book or anything she always looked like a "punch first, ask questions later" kind of woman to me
>>78121849
The way I've heard it, Reed planned to use her again later on but Slott had kicked her (and other 'tourists') out of this universe in a She-Hulk story.
Allegedly, Reed blew up at him at a retreat because of it. vOv
>>78120096
>>78120100
Why would the SuperHero Registration Act apply to non-powered folk like Hobie?
And if it does, can any schmuck with a grappling gun and a union suit register as a costumed vigilante?
>>78121821
The Avengers used to have a strict no-kill rule a part of their official government charter. It led to Hawkeye's divorce and caused the WCA to split into two teams, one for killing villains and one against.
>>78121421
Kiss her, and forget all the shitty stuff that's happened to me.
>>78122026
well, she is a military woman. You meet any of them?
>>78121821
>>78122074
This cold blooded killing, or "accidentally killed in battle" killing?
>>78122058
>Why would the SuperHero Registration Act apply to non-powered folk like Hobie
see McCarthyism. Any laws targeting certain 'undesirables' in theory are instead used to disenfranchise anyone that poses a potential threat to the establishment.
It was never that these people had powers, it's that too many had the means and motives to uncover the dirt on politicians and businessmen
>>78122148
"Avengers don't kill."
No killing allowed at all.
>>78119577
>She's what Hal Jordan would be if Hal were a good character.
Thats good burn but doesn't work for Carol. She is female Hal, and worse.
>>78122152
source?
She's a hard as fuck military woman
There used to be a meme she and Hal Jordan were the same character. It's still true even if /co/ loves Hal now. Carol doesn't have that top gun shit though
>>78121007
thick girls need love too. You go, Bruno
>>78122241
marvel knights: spider-man
>>78120920
They tried that with Batgirl.Now she is gone forever and we are prohibited from ever talking about her again. EVER
>>78122082
This
>>78120896
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>>78120957
I'm reading that now and Kamela is being a total bitch to him because he was respectful enough not to rub his girlfriend in her face.
I guess she's not 100% perfect after all :(
>Villain is an asshole SJW gentrification hipster
It just won my heart again
>>78120778
Agreed that pairing could work.
>>78122252
Hal's never been as much of a raging asshole as Carol used to be
>>78122283
Who, Steph? She's still around anon
>>78121030
>We should probably stop this, but SCIENCE says we should let them keep fighting
Beast, just admit you want to see a Carol-on-Carol catfight.
>>78120770
Comics journalism is marketing though. The major sites are all pretty happy to push the party line, and DC and Marvel are happy to punish sites that don't.
>>78122047
>Allegedly, Reed blew up at him at a retreat because of it. vOv
Based Reed
>>78122152
What's this pic from?
>>78122047
Except they explained her alternate Earth was exploded. You'd think Dan Slott, Continuity Cop would get the memo.
>>78122527
Marvel Knights Spider-Man 9
>>78120150
>Hobie is a snitch
DROPPED
>>78122520
To be fair, when Kamala was announced actual mainstream news sources talked about it. And Fox News.
>>78121863
Heh, I suppose you've never seen real shitty child custody cases. There are times when a daughter is taken from a father to be given to a mom who pimps her out to her new bf and then the bf kills them both.
>>78122607
And then they created "Amber Alerts" to catch fathers who rescue their daughters from such situations.
