>Forced drama
>Pretentious
>Useless Falcon and also no "junkie pimp" backstory
>Bad adaptation from the comic
>Plot ripped off from Bourney Identity and Three Days of Condor
>MUH MURICA
>Weak Villain, Zemo should have been there or at least someone with great potential.
>MUH GR8 FRIEND
Why do /co/ find this movie so great?
>>78032995
Because /co/, as well as most comic fans, casuals, and people in general, don't have your shitty taste in film.
Also, obvious bait.
>>78033094
How is this good taste?
>>78032995
>>78032995
>abloo bloo bloo why do people like something I don't
As always, OP is a massive faggot.
>>78032995
Check it out /co/, this fucker doesn't like Chris Evans Captain America! What a fucking tool!
>>78032995
>Why do /co/ find this movie so great?
You know...
>>78033126
It's not your taste, that's why.
>>78032995
>>78032995
>>Useless Falcon and also no "junkie pimp" backstory
But Anon, Snap Wilson was fucking stupid.
>>78032995
If you want to shit on the Iron Man sequels, Avengers 2, the Thors, Incredible Hulk or the first Cap movie, I'm right there with you.
But Winter Soldier was phenomenal, anon. Have a webm.
>>78032995
Was getting BTFO part of your plan?
>>78032995
>useless falcon
Stopped reading there
>>78033423
We're going to get characters like Iron Man, Scarlet Witch, Vision and BLACK PANTHER fighting with this level of fighting choreography.
>>78032995
>Forced drama
There's an irritating trend on this website where people just call things "forced" when they want to dismiss an oft-praised aspect of something but don't have any critical ability to do so.
>this thread
>>78033461
Feels good, man.
>ITT: we tell OP he's a faggot
>>78033461
I wonder why they even hire writers at this point? We just want fight scenes.
>>78033494
This.it's true though
>>78033494
Sounds good to me
OP is a faggot
>>78033423
Hey, I liked Cap 1
>>78033461
>>78033486
I wouldn't presume too much. I feel like WS was not something Marvel execs was particularly focused on compared to say Iron Man 3 or Ultron.
Honestly, I could see the execs forcing all kinds of shit in now that the Russos are apparently the future of the MCU.
>your shitty taste in film.
>OP is a massive faggot.
>What a fucking tool!
>Winter Soldier was phenomenal
>BTFO
>Stopped reading there
>we tell OP he's a faggot
>OP is a faggot
I see a pattern here...
>>78033523
I liked it too, first half was fucking great. Weaker second half, but still good in my opinion.
>>78033523
I liked Cap 1 until he actually met Red Skull. The whole thing falls apart by the third act. Dat terrible abundance of greenscreen, mang.
>>78033553
Cap 2 is one of those few movies most of /co/ seems to like.
>>78033553
Is it that OP is a faggot?
>>78033094
Honestly, the thread probably could have just ended after this post.
>>78033595
>most of /co/
It's just a /tv/fag, anon. Check the number of IPs.
>>78033595
/co/ used to like GotG then it got popular, in which /co/ retaliated with calling Peter "Meme-Lord"GotG is still a good movie nonetheless. Fuck all of you.
>>78033423
>Sees this
>Regains hope in Marvel.
>>78033648
>liking LE EBIN DANCE-OFF XDDDD: LE MOTION PICTURE
>>78033553
Hi, OP. Found your shirt.
>>78033648
I think that's just /tv/ spilling into /co/
Idk it was complete shit. They false flagged like it was a Bucky film then completely abandoned his plot for MUH TWIST setup for AoS.
Don't forget Cap drops his one of a kind shield in the big ass man made lake and then magically gets it back.
OP being a shithead asides, did anyone else here kind of have issues with the whole HYDRA twist in Cap 2?
I just felt like its kinda ruined the whole moral ambiguity aspect of SHEILD (and the US in general) by just saying literally everything was HYDRA's fault all along.
>>78033679
>fuckingmagnetshowdotheywork.mpc
>>78033423
Maybe I missed it, but does Bucky have the super-soldier serum now? There's no way Cap wouldn't be able to slap the shit out of him before he started holding back after realising it's Bucky.
>>78033679
>he thinks the twist was for an Agents of SHIT setup
How can you possibly be this retarded?
>>78033679
It's not like he has a friend with ridiculous technology that could find it or something. I mean, jeeze guys!
>>78033720
>2deep4u
>>78033704
Its very vague, but it is mentioned Zola experimented on him till Cap found him in First Avenger. Its how he survived the fall from the train.
>>78033523
me too. it felt like one of those 40s news propaganda stories that played before movies.
"DATELINE: Hamburg Germany. Our brave boys putting HYDRA in their place with a swift kick from CAPTAIN AMERICA!"
>>78033679
>MUH TWIST setup for AoS.
Holy shit I didn't realize people this stupid actually existed. This HAS to be bait.
>>78033731
>needs iron Man to find his shield
What an useless moron.
>>78033720
>He thinks it wasn't
Elaborate then why they pretended like this movie was gonna flesh out Bucky and he got maybe 30 min of screen time and 6 lines of dialogue.
>>78033648
Hey, it became meme-like. No one's to blame, except maybe the social pressures that compel people to spout random bullshit about what little they remember about the movie in some vain attempt to get other people to say "I understood that reference." Hipsters exist for a reason, y'know.
>>78033467
He even used pretentious which is the /co/ way of saying it's popular between both fans of the medium AND other people but since I vicariously identify myself by liking comics this can't stand.
>>78033648
>terrible Gamora
>terrible Drax
>terrible Ronan
>Rocket and Peter have the same personality
>Groot is only good part of the film
>they couldn't even get his basic three-word rule, his DEFINING trait right
Movie was prettyunderwhelming, anon.
>>78033523
I still feel Cap 1 is the single best superhero movie yet.
Then Mask of the Phantasm at #2.
>>78033787
>popular between both fans of the medium AND other people
Now this is pretentious.
>>78033687
Not really, all those SHIELD agents who turned HYDRA were still American citizens and part of the government. It's not like HYDRA brainwashed all of them to join the organization, they did it out of their own free will because they were shit humans.
HYDRA infiltrated SHIELD after the war, but it was still SHIELD's fault that they let it grew under their nose for decades.
>>78033759
>Cap,
>Not counting on and relying on his team mates to help each other when they need help.
Do you even Captain America?
>>78033799
>Cap 1 is the only superhero movie I've ever watched
>>78033822
Do you even Mark Gruenwald?
>>78033687
Nah, I was fine with it. It wasn't "SHIELD was only bad 'cuz of Hydra, they dindu nuffin', they was a good supranational clandestine paramilitary organization juss tryin' to turn they life around," it was "an unaccountable organization having this much power and control is dangerous to our life and liberty, what would happen if bad guys ever took control of--OH WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT."
>>78033816
Also the fact that the American government hired Nazi scientists, and by that same motion, HYDRA scientists into the upper echelons of their government.
>>78033763
>why they pretended like this movie was gonna flesh out Bucky
Never implied or stated. It was going to feature Bucky and nothing more. Fans already knew the WS was him so they needed another route to go for in surprising them.
>>78033845
>Do you even Mark Gruenwald?
I do, and his run was extremely hit or miss. Mostly miss.
>>78033523
i liked it too for giving us an iconic theme for the character.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrXwAeJ87Bk
>>78033908
>Mostly miss.
Confirmed for casual.
>>78033881
They fucking named the movie after him. I can't wait until Evans dies and casuals are literal whoing over Bucky and /co/ tries to pretend like Caps death was impactful and MCU Bucky is fleshed out.
>>78033932
>Waaaah you don't like the same runs as I do, you're a casual.
Seriously? Dude, grow up.
>>78033959
>grow up.
Says the Disney shill.
>>78033812
Exposed.
>No, Anon, YOU are the one with the petty distinctions
>And then Anon was a doucher
>>78033913
https://youtu.be/7jpnBs0DkXg
I like this one better, I think.
>>78033959
>Cap should always ask for help from Iron Man
Seriously, have you ever read the comics?
>>78033992
>It is so petty not to agree with me!
>>78034031
>Seriously, have you ever read the comics?
Yeah, I have. I have little faith that you have, considering you clearly didn't even read what I wrote. Also:
>>78033979
Nice samefagging.
I get that some of you feel threatened because reading comics got you bullied somewhere in life and it's admittedly pretty shitty those same people gush all over these movies because "nerdy" is still in style, but it's okay if these movies are good. Some weren't some won't be. Some legit hate Cap 2 and that's fine but just shut up with the shitposting contrarian fights for the sake of being contrary to garner attention.
>>78034067
>Yeah, I have
Prove it.
>Nice samefagging.
Oh yeah, anyone who isn't a Disney shill is a samefag.
>>78033945
>Not picking up on the double meaning of the title and realizing "Winter Soldier" applies both to Bucky on a story level and Cap on a thematic level
lrn2mobies
>>78034031
>Cap should always ask for help from Iron Man
Not that guy, but that definitely isn't what he was saying. And he's totally right that it's in-character for Cap to ask for help from his team mates. He's the leader of the Avengers for a reason, anon.
>>78034013
it sound better but i think the trumpets in the first one are more accurate to cap
>0:54-1:07
everytime
>>78034083
>BOO HOO HOO THEY DON'T LIKE WHAT I LIKE
You feel threatened?
>>78034114
Nice samefagging.
>>78034107
No. It didn't. Stop making me lose my sides everytime you idiots try to pretend like this shit tier movie that had to rely on a twist ending is good and couldn't even flesh out the 2 characters it introduced.
>>78034031
I'm not the one accidentally REEEEEEing while trying to maintain the high ground, buddy.
>>78034165
>everyone has shit taste, everyone but me!
It's past your bedtime kid.
>>78034165
>A Winter Soldier refers to a military officer that remais resolute in his convictions and ideals even after it puts him in direct conflict with his peers and superiors
Dude, it's not even subtle.
>>78034215
>Implying I'm the only one that thinks that
Go watch the Bourne movies instead of this shitty one note rip off.
>>78034093
>Prove it.
Dude, stop shitposting. No-one has to prove anything to you on a fucking anonymous board. If you're too autistic and busy sucking Gruenwald's cock to see that Captain America is a team player that would totally be willing to ask for help, then maybe it's you that should pick up a fucking comic. I'd recommend Busiek's Avengers, Kirby's Cap, and Englehart's Cap.
But sorry, you probably lack the reading comprehension to even understand what I'm typing, so let me put it into a dialect that you might better understand:
>Prove you actually know shit about Cap.
>>78033679
>>78033759
>>78033845
>>78033932
>>78034031
>>78033979
Aw, I think we hurt OP's feelings.
>>78033789
>Rocket and Peter have the same personality
at least they got something from the comics right.
26 people samefagging.The movie was crap, though.
>>78032995
>>Imma gonna forced some drama
>>By being pretentious
>>Falcon couldn't save me from my "junkie pimp" backstory
>>Badass adaptation from the comic
>>Plot ripped off from Spongebob and Regular Show, coz thats mah age group
>>MAH MERKINIA
>>Weak arguments are my forte
>>Widow's not MUH GRL FRIEND
>>78032995
None of that is actually true, but 2/10 for effort.
>>78033735
plus the robo arm. And Spetznaz level conditioning. It all comes together to make a combo worthy of taking on Cap.
>>78033094
>low standards = taste
>>78033423
>close up
>short cuts
>shaky cam
>>78033553
that marveldrones live in state of denial?
>>78033423
Simpson vs Jessica Jones looks less like a television show than this.
>>78033423
All of that in a minute...
>>78033419
It's also been retconned as false memories implanted by Red Skull or Zola.
This fight was really stupid and pointless
>fodder soldier giving Cap trobule
>>78040476
>fodder soldier
>>78040138
What? No it doesn't, fight scenes on TV almost never have that level of kinetic energy or editing.
This "looks like TV" meme is never going to end, is it? Now every movie in the MCU is going to be retconned by you people into HURR IT LOOKS LIKE TV regardless of context.
>>78032995
>>Forced drama
When?
>>Pretentious
Being relevant about topics you can currently see talked about on major news sites is pretentious or high and mighty???
>>Useless Falcon and also no "junkie pimp" backstory
Define useless, said back story was garbage.
>>Bad adaptation from the comic
Actually it was a pretty much ideal adaption of the comic.
>>MUH MURICA
At no point in the film is it like this whatsoever...
>>Weak Villain, Zemo should have been there or at least someone with great potential.
Are you calling the Winter Soldier a weak villain or Redford?
>>78040138
And that was made after TWS, so the learned how to do it better. That is basically all I got.
>>78033423
>people consider this good choreography and cinematography
lol
>>78040476
>This fight was really stupid and pointless
>This fight was superbly executed and not pointless because a well done fight scene is the mother fucking point faggot.
>>78033648
>>78033595
>thinking posting in those shitty HYPE threads was all of /co/
sorry fuccbois, maybe you should stay out of generals
>>78040627
It's adds nothing to the story and isn't exciting. They had to tone down Batroc's strength to make this shitty scene work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giBNXb16t3I
>>78040817
>It's adds nothing to the story
THAT IS NOT A FLAW, it adds to the mother fucking experience!!!
>>78033423
Winter Soldier had better fight scenes then the shitty ones from Dark Knight rises.
>>78040589
Why don't you?
That's a fantastic fight sequence. One of the few times it legitimately feels like Cap is fighting for his life against the ropes.
>>78034165
>He doesn't know that winter soldier is a real phrase
>>78040319
It was always a false memory.
Red Skull used the cosmic cube to alter Sam Wilson.
It's how he got bird powers to begin with.
>>78032995
Hello Zack Snyder.
>>78032995
I was even going to type the reasons why I enjoyed the movie, but wanting Snap Wilson makes your shit taste so massive I just -know- I will lose my time.
>>78032995
It's a good movie, but it ain't anything special. It's just that when compared to the rest of the mediocre garbage coming out of the MCU, it looks better than it is.
>>78040959
>That's a fantastic fight sequence
If it was so fantastic than actually let me see it
Not have a bunch of shitty shaky cam, frame the characters awkwardly so that I can't get a full scale of the movement, bad cuts and making random close ups on random bodyparts
>>78040817
>let's watch an action movie
>why are these people fighting
>this doesn't add to the story
>my feet hurt
>>78033423
Holy shit, is that shield CG? It's looks so fake.
>>78042002
The flow of the action is extremely easy to follow, the shaky-cam doesn't impact that part.
And normally I hate shaky-cam for no reason, but like I said Cap is fighting for his life against a KNIFE, that's scary fucking business when he's caught off guard like that, and the cuts mirror the fast, frantic pace and feeling of the fight.
>>78042487
a lot of the shield is CGI in cap movies
like when he takes it off his back, throws it, or slips on his arm quickly during action
I actually don't want to know how little is physical. I understand it, but at least make it look better.
>>78032995
Most obvious bait ever and still over 100 replies. I hope you're happy.
>>78043624
>post offers alternative opinion
>must be bait
Fuck off /co/mblr
>>78040476
This is probably bait but that guy cap fought is a super villain called Batroc the Leaper. He wears the most flamboyantly gay costume but is a scary good fighter
>>78041714
nah I'm pretty sure for a while Marvel decided to be edgelords and have it be canon
it was shit and stupid, much like this thread
>>78040476
The GSP fight is one of the best parts of that movie you gay piece of human shit
My only problems with the movie are the shitty acting on almost everybody's part. Even Redford looked like he was phoning it in.
Anthony Mackie seemed like the only person who gave a shit.
>>78040817
>They had to tone down Batroc's strength to make this shitty scene work.
>>78032995
Best spy thriller ever.
>>78046401
>>78046411
>>78032995
>Bad adaptation from the comic
That's not a bad thing since Brubaker is a terrible writer
>>78046444
>Brubaker is a terrible writer
>>78042002
It's very easy to follow, I think you might be retarded.
>>78032995
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>>78032995
Tyrone, you can't expect us to believe that you rewatched a movie that you didn't like.
you fucking dckeks can't even shitpost right
>>78042487
Yeah, I didn't notice that at first, but it's not really reflecting the light properly. I doubt you'd notice it watching it for the first time at the movies, given all the action going on, but it's pretty obviously.
>>78046557
>MGS2 speedrun.webm
>>78033461
Anon are you a blue lantern? Because thats some high level of hope you got burning there.
>>78034234
>Go watch the Bourne
>instead of this shitty one note rip off
Let me just point out the the Bourne movies are all s"shitty one note rip offs" in and of themselves.
>>78040817
>It's adds nothing to the story and isn't exciting.
Are you fucking dense? It was to show that Cap had no qualms fighting as equals, unarmed. That he wasn't afraid of shit like that. Had a very deliberate point. That and the fight itself was fucking good.
>>78040589
>coherent fight scene from start the finish
>audience knows exactly where they are and what's happening
>you're probably another Reddit LE SHAKY CAM whiner
>>>/tv/
Every time I see Chris Evans in relation to Cap America I remember that he was in Fantastic 4 and I'm happy he's gotten further than that.
>>78049895
And the Losers. And Scott Pilgrim. He's been a ton of comic book movies.
>>78033423
Christ, if this is what we're getting from Marvel, imagine what Batman's fight scenes are going to look like
>>78032995
Welcome to my world. Shit bored me to tears in the theater.
>>78040959
It seemed more like a dance than a fight. There's a dangerous line to cross when you're refining your fight scenes. This one just seems too complex, too choreographed. I never feel like Cap is in danger because it's incredibly clear that he's reacting to everything before it happens, because it's scripted.
Can't think of any examples, but for me, the perfect fight scene is a bit more dirty and scrappy than that, but still nowhere near as lazy as the Nolanshit.
>>78050624
>Shit bored me to tears in the theater.
What did you WANT from the movie? Were you hoping it would be a Michael Bay explosions marathon?
>>78033789
>terrible Drax
You about the fuck up man. That actor is top tier. Do you know what he went through to play his part?
>>78049352
>coherent fight scene from start the finish
It's certainty isn't coherent with that fucking camera spazzing out
Defending that truly shows you have no taste
>>78050971
Are you implying there weren't Bay-esque explosions and camera movement in the film?
Still doesn't look as good as Bay film, laughingly. Even with it's huge ass budget it still looks a TV show.
>>78052255
>doesn't look as good as a Bay film
His movies look like complete shit. It's like I'm watching a 3-hour Victoria's Secret commercial, he just slaps 300 filters on and calls it a day.
It's like he never stopped directing music videos, and now with shit like Pain & Gain he's started to raid Tony Scott's old playbook of tricks and fucking all of them up too, so I guess that's something.
>>78052255
>Are you implying there weren't Bay-esque explosions and camera movement in the film?
There absolute was not anything of the sort. And if you're going to argue that there was, there are only two conceivable reasons why:
1- You're trolling. Doing a very poor job at it, too.
2- You're blind.
>>78052422
>His movies look like complete shit. It's like I'm watching a 3-hour Victoria's Secret commercial, he just slaps 300 filters on and calls it a day.
And that's when you can actually make out what is happening, during the 15 minutes of his movies where the screen isn't filled with an incoherent mess of grey gears, dirt and shaky cam.
>>78050971
It structured itself like a thriller/conspiracy movie, but everything was so fucking obvious. The reveal that Hydra was behind everything was just so... blah, basically dumped on us in dialogue. It was basically "Hey, you know every bad thing that ever happened? Well it turns out it was Hydra. And Hydra is like, everywhere. Or something". The best part of the reveal was Computer Brain Zola, and even he self-destructed before anything cool happened with him. The rest was just generic, mindless thriller action, from the fights, to Hydra's vague "kill everyone we don't like with some kind of homing missile" doomsday plan, to the "just put the magic disk into the slot and fix everything" solution. The red herring of Fury's death was so pathetically transparent it was an insult to everyone's intelligence, although there were a number of people in my theater (for the post part, a large herd of black women) who were loudly shocked and appalled that they killed Nick Fury. For a movie that receives its acclaim for being smart, it is tragically dumb.
The best thing about it was that quips were at a minimum, and Cap finally got all the good action scenes he deserved in Avengers.
>>78053004
>It structured itself like a thriller/conspiracy movie
Maybe.... you know, because it IS a thriller/conspiracy movie?
>but everything was so fucking obvious.
You knew exactly how the plot was going to play out from the beginning? I didn't realize you could see the future. 'Cause while the latter half of the movie is more of a traditional action movie, the first half certainly is not and does an excellent job at showing super spy espianage stuff.
>The reveal that Hydra was behind everything was just so... blah
Opinions art fact now?
>basically dumped on us in dialogue. It was basically "Hey, you know every bad thing that ever happened? Well it turns out it was Hydra. And Hydra is like, everywhere. Or something".
Yeah, being reductionist is fun, I know. But how would you prefer the reveal be made? Having it done in the brain of Arnim Zola tied in perfectly with the super spy tone and was a fun nod to the comics.
>and even he self-destructed before anything cool happened with him.
...what did you want to happen?
>The red herring of Fury's death was so pathetically transparent it was an insult to everyone's intelligence, although there were a number of people in my theater (for the post part, a large herd of black women) who were loudly shocked and appalled that they killed Nick Fury.
I'm sorry Marvel hurt your sensative ego.
Additionally, it sounds like you had a shitty crowd. That's not the movies fault.
>>78052422
>His movies look like complete shit. It's like I'm watching a 3-hour Victoria's Secret commercial, he just slaps 300 filters on and calls it a day.
I like how this post doesn't talk about the cinematography at all.
And before you say anything, I hate his films. Yes his directing style is formulaic. But it still looks better than Marvel films.
>>78052781
>There absolute was not anything of the sort.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVI-EQKi8V8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO4zaC8yfI8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onB12-aOs5Q
Stop being dense
>>78053600
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVI-EQKi8V8
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO4zaC8yfI8
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onB12-aOs5Q
>Stop being dense
I think you're blind. None of these scenes even come close to resembling Bay's over filtered, dirty shaky cam garbage.
>>78053183
This is some of the worst fucking defense. You ASKED me to justify my opinion, then get mad at me for doing so. This is why this place is cancer.
>Maybe.... you know, because it IS a thriller/conspiracy movie?
Except it fucking fails spectacularly. It's boring and predictable. It builds its stakes by telling us things rather than showing us things.
>You knew exactly how the plot was going to play out from the beginning? I didn't realize you could see the future.
No, you dumb fuck. That's what I mean when I say the movie is "predictable". Every time there was a set-up, it was pretty easy to guess the end game. That's not inherently a bad thing, unless you're trying to be an espionage flick (see point #1)
>But how would you prefer the reveal be made?
Better than they did. It was the kind of afterthought plot-twist that a 13-year-old would come up with. They basically just took every vaguely bad thing that happened in the MCU, implied or otherwise, scraped them into a pile and put Hydra's name on it. Pretty shallow, really. I understand espionage is supposed to involve mystery, but the fact that there was actually nothing to connect Hydra to all this shit besides the movie just telling us to take its word for it makes it seem like a top-tier ass-pull.
>...what did you want to happen?
Aside from Bucky (who had no memory), Zola was the biggest link between present and past, which was an aspect of the movie that was painfully underused. He was rammed into the movie for 15 minutes as lame exposition. It was the only scene I was excited for, because it was the only part of the movie that had any roots, and they brushed it under the carpet. I at least wanted him to be in a robot body and have a fight scene.
You can't refute my point, so you resort to insults. The fact that the movie expected anyone but a retard to believe Fury's death, and then endure a 15 minute slog while all the characters moped about it was dumb. Just like the whole movie.
>>78053843
I love how you continue to bitch and moan about how the movies apparently predictable or childish, ect. Yet you can't, even once, give an alternative on how a scene should have played out. Just "it should have been DIFFERENT!"
You have no argument. You're just whining for the sake of whining.
>>78053968
>I don't like this movie
>"But why?"
>Here is why.
>"BAWWWWW! But you didn't detail exactly how they should have fixed it! Quit complaining."
You will do anything to deflect criticisms without having to actually face them, won't you? Just because this shit is good enough for you doesn't mean I have to explain how to make it better. That's the fucking joy of seeing a good movie, is having the writers entangle you in something you never would have though up yourself. They get paid millions for that shit. All I know is that I paid $11.75 for a movie that made me want to take a nap.
>>78054143
>doesn't mean I have to explain how to make it better.
It actually does. You're the one trying to prove to the rest of the board that the movie is shit. Support your arguments. You can't just complain without any ideas on how to resolve those issues. Otherwise, you're no better than the run of the mills tumblerina, SJW, armchair activists, etc.
Its like I said before, you're just bitching for the sake of bitching.
>>78032995
Slut detected
>>78054143
>That's the fucking joy of seeing a good movie, is having the writers entangle you in something you never would have though up yourself.
Right, because only 100% new ideas and genre defining films are enjoyable.
>>78053814
>being in this much denial
Vash put pack on your name so I can filter you
>>78055664
>trying this hard
top kek
>>78033423
>dat tiger knee
The best part. You can feel all the impact on that one.
I know this is a trolls trolling trolls thread, but I really do wish other Marvel movies were more like this.
The first Iron Man and Incredible Hulk were similar, in that they took themselves seriously and had a respect for the source material. Most of the rest of the movies seem to be made with the idea "OK this source material is totally retarded, now how can we make a good movie out of it?"
I also want to give credit to Avengers for managing to be fun and colorful with a deep love of the characters but there was a little too much "wink wink nudge nudge" humor from Joss which proceeded to get out of control in subsequent movies. I remember how utterly disappointed with Age of Ultron I was after that fantastic trailer.
Say what you want about Man of Steel but at least it took itself seriously and didn't act like it was being adapted from schlock. Winter Soldier and Iron Man are such perfect comic movies because they know when to be a little jokey and when to be serious.
>>78033423
>When the knife slices through the van
>>78043836
>He wears the most flamboyantly gay costume but is a scary good fighter
>>78056463
>Say what you want about Man of Steel but at least it took itself seriously and didn't act like it was being adapted from schlock.
MoS was worse, it was adapted like it was made from the bible.
>>78056861
Top kek.
>>78050218
It should be better than the shit in Captain America: The Winter Solider anyway.
If OP legit finds this pretentious, god help him if he ever has to watch an arthouse film.
>>78034013
>that minor chord at 1:29
I love it. It's so somber.
>Forced drama
Every drama is forced if you don't care enough
>Pretentious
How so?
>Useless Falcon and also no "junkie pimp" backstory
Why does Falcon have to be useful anyway? He's an ally and a friend to Steve and that's what matters most. But yeah as goofy as it is, I'd like the pimp back story.
>Bad adaptation from the comic
If you haven't guessed by now; paper to film never works. Things have to change, it's a completely different angle.
>Plot ripped off from Bourney Identity and Three Days of Condor
Nothing bad about that.
>MUH MURICA
It is Captain /America/ after all.
>Weak Villain, Zemo should have been there or at least someone with great potential.
I think the villain was just a way to show how out of place Steve is in this age, which is does well.
>MUH GR8 FRIEN
Their friendship worked in The First Avenger so it doesn't exactly feel out of place. I quite like the Bucky Drama his stand alone movies are taking an interest in.
I'm just happy to see that more people are starting to admire Captain since he was the butt of the Joke in Avengers Assembles.
>>78046557
That fucking kick gets me rock hard.
>>78032995
>Forced drama
whatever the fuck that means. "Trust no one" is forced, in a spy-themed thriller about decades-old conspiracy? lol
>pretentious
It's a movie about a guy dressed in American flag punching fascists, what the fuck did you even expect?
>Black guy doesn't have stereotypical black guy backstory
good fucking riddance,
>Bad adaptation from the comic
It's not an adaptation, it's an original story taking some elements from original. Think Batman Very Superman versus The Dark Knight Returns.
>Plot ripped off from Bourne Identity
... You mean the trained killer thing? Because that was in the comic. Decide, you want a direct adaptation or purely original stuff?
>MUH MURICA
Literally wasn't there, Shield is transnational in the movie, and so is Hydra's plan. Majority of the story takes place in America but it isn't particularly patriotic.
>Weak Villain
Well, it's a spy movie so they had to keep him as a twist, so they didn't have that much time to develop him, plus thematically the "real enemy is fascism" and all that crap. And Crossbones as main dude's enforcer was pretty good.
>MUH GR8 FRIEND
Again, Bucky and Steve are best friends in the comics. You can't complain about bad adaptation and in the same post complain about stuff that's in the comic.
So nice that noone cares about that because both critics and viewers loved it, and it made 7 times it's budget in box office, and was such a resounding success that Whedon was fired and Russos will be directing next Avengers movie.
