It seems there's a a lack of sex appeal, fan-service etc in US comics lately, doesn't it? Maybe it's because if there's a cover with Catwoman showing boobage it gets 15 angy blogs etc. Maybe it just doesn't sell as well as boob-centric manga and whatnot?
There's Tarot the extreme example, but for the most part can't find many good US comics with sex appeal in them to my taste. The Red Sonja, Vampirella, etc kind of books are all a lot less fan-servicy than you'd think.
Marvel/DC don't seem to do much of it, except for a Power Girl appearance once in a while. Stuff like Danger Girl has a bit of it from time to time. All in all, there's a "fun cheesecake" drought in US comics, how do we turn this around?
Unfortunately the sjws won't let comic books be written by adults that understand that other adults want to read about adults interacting with other adults like adults.
>>77816020
>The Red Sonja, Vampirella, etc kind of books are all a lot less fan-servicy than you'd think.
Red Sonja was never really about that. For Vampirella try the Harris era stories. Dynamite's Vampirella is GARBAGE except for the Aliens crossover and maybe one or two other crossovers.
fuck it it's 2 am im about to go to bed so i'm gonna lay the truth and bounce
straight men can't do attractive sex. it's all shiny balloon tits, painted-on clothes, sharpie eyebrows and toothpick legs. never any good nice butts and thighs or clothing fetishes. blame the esjoos all you want but the truth is that you suck
>>77816145
I think the balloon tits is from being too used to drawing tight costumes that they can get it right when they are out. Kinda like the invisible heels problem that a lot of pinup artist have.
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>>77816083
I'm glad it's gone, it was embarrassing as shit trying to mix comics with kids when floppy ads or comic stores were full of Vampirella shit and floppy tits.
>>77816145
>>77816348
Shut the fuck up you dykes, go lick each other's legbeards and nasty hairy armpits and stop shitposting.
>>77816020
Aspen and Zenescope are still around and Avatar has Boundless. Also there's an actual new Verotik comic coming out next week
Does anyone have that hideous tumblr squirrel girl where her mouth looks like a farting vagina?
>>77816415
>it was embarrassing as shit trying to mix comics with kids when floppy ads or comic stores were full of Vampirella shit and floppy tits
What are you talking about?
>>77816473
You ever went to a comic book store with a kid, only to stumble on a large section of Witchblade? Or maybe try giving the kid an issue of Xmen, but turns out all of their favorite characters have rock hard nipples and are wearing string bikinis.
>>77816493
kids like that sort of thing
>>77816504
Shoo shoo, Lena Dunham get away from my innocent nieces you sick piece of lard.
>>77816145
Except no... Frank Cho doesn't do stick figures, his women are actually pretty muscular and his boobs while big are pretty realistically shaped and not balloon like at all.
>>77816145
That's the way it was in the 90s, not today.
>>77816541
>>77816560
I started picking up Cavewoman. I didn't know there was more than one artist making it
>>77816564
>>77816020
>there's a a lack of sex appeal, fan-service etc in US comics lately
See a doctor, you're going blind
God in heaven I wish Marvel would have put Sara Pichelli on a female character title with premsission to sexualize her up.
Maybe then, seeing a female creator gleefully doing it, Tumblr would finally get it thru their thick skulls that making women sexually appealing is not sexisr nor harmful.
>>77816619
>>77816643
>>77816614
it doesn't exist in capeshit anymore
>>77816652
>killing /co/mblr with frank cho
keep going /co/mrade, you might save this board.
>>77816614
Other than the Starfire ongoing (and not much even in that) and WW's nipple in TDK3, their has been extremely few moments of it in the past 7 months or so, from Marvel or Dc
>>77816020
Due to the declining market of comic books publishers are becoming reliant on a fringe but wholesome market for hipsters who populate the market. The only people left are hipsters and "collectors." I'm not counting Star Wars fans or the comics in the lot
>tfw when Dynamite is covering up Red Sonja and Vampirella
>>77816619
It wouldn't matter, men are not the enemy, The Patriarchy is, which means all men and any woman that disagrees with me in any way shape or form.
>>77816683
I like the guy on Earth 2 and Paulo Sequeira is good too. Harley Quinn also exists I guess
>>77816020
>ugos excluded from social group, find solace in comic books
>grow up to write and draw those same comics
>insert strong, empowered version of themself telling off beautiful people in those comics
>>77816145
Bullshit, fuck off
>>77816493
>kids in a comic shop
What are you doing taking a kid into a comic shop? You understand that comics are adults only, right? You might as well complain that you took a kid to a UFC fight and it was "too violent".
Smut doesn't sell so the need for sexual appeal towards a 2d drawing isn't needed.
>>77816700
When I saw her in a Claire Redfield outfit I died a little. It wasn't even about her dank tits. She'd gone with minimal changes for fifty fucking years. A drastic change like that hurts.
The new Poison Ivy comic might be good.
> Guillem March hasn't drawn any interiors sense the end of the Talon Ongoing like 3 years ago...
Feels Fucking Bad Man!!!
>>77816020
Honestly comic companies are too greedy to do comics with sexy women. Shit art and uggos are where the money is now and they all want a piece of that. Things will normalize once they realize that there is a neglected market for this stuff.
In other words, everyone buy Aspen since they are the only ones still doing comics like this. As always the only thing to do is vote with your dollar.
>>77816145
>painted-on clothes
Yeah most mainstream artists can't draw textiles, they draw the shape of the body and the costume is colored on. They used to filter those types out, artist would be given on the spot challenges to draw body types other than adults. Like children, babies, or old people.
>>77816806
Is he doing creator owned stuff or just covers?
>>77816779
This, Clay Mann proved in Ninjack he can do cheesecake.
And they are giving her back a outfit with skin shown.
>>77816747
>smut doesn't sell
Porn makes more money than Hollywood.
>>77816730
>uggo
I understand your confusion but Valerie is kawaii as fuck when other artists draw her.
>>77816855
And one of the best selling comics these days is literally a porn comic.
>>77816820
As far as I can tell just covers.
Putty he isn't doing the Poison Ivy mini as his cover for it here is phenomenal.
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>>77816884
This cover my bad.
It's so weird, even when easy opportunities present themselves for sex appeal that doesn't require back broke poses or any of that crap, artist now shy away. Possibly to avoid bad press thanks to the sadist on Tumblr and such.
Example.
In the recent Squadron Sinister mini series, we got 3 sex/post sex scenes with Hyperion and Zarda and in not one of them, do they make Zarda particuarlaly sexy at all.
And she has a outfit perfectly built to show cleavage and Pacheco made her appear flat chested most of the time.
And this is a artist who's biggest comic was JLA/JSA Virture and Vice in 2004 and in that he made WW busty as FUCK!
>>77817027
They're bastards and cowards
>>77816777
I can understand why they would want to cover her up just a little, but she should at least be recognizable!
I'm still bothered by Dynamite's redesigns
>>77816020
Cheesecake comics are usually garbage.
>>77816656
Batgirl, Harley Quinn and Starfire disagree with you.
>>77817145
It's not in Batgirl at all WHATSOEVER.
Harley Quinn is a tiny bit, more in the team up with Power Girl than in her ongoing.
And they are going out of their way to make Starfire not sexy page by page.
Only when it's relevant to the plot or for humor.
If they just left some mother fucking cleavage, she would be sexy all the time and they wouldn't have to stop the story for sex humor once a issue or so.
>>77816145
>truth is that you
That's a real bush-league slip there, SJW.
>>77817119
>Cheesecake comics are usually garbage.
Yes
However, good comics can occasionally have cheesecake.
Good comics with a character who is barely clothed are fine too. However, this stars to stray towards a "cheesecake comic."
Fanservice should be limited. Once every 3-4 issues at MOST.
>>77816619
Bayonetta was designed by a woman who states that she's basically her power fantasy
It doesn't work
>>77817222
No, it can be once or twice every issue.
It doesn't have to be a interruption of the story to give a shower scene or sex scene or anything like that.
It could just be a single well place panel is all.
>>77817258
How so? And I'm not saying Sara should write it or that whatever female character it is should be a female power fantasy or anything else.
Just have her be written like any other character is written and just give her cleavage.
It's not that ccomplicated.
>>77816564
Yeah, she'd be mocked for her fat upper arms and her fatty fattness and OMG LOOK AT THAT STOMACH, LIKE SRSLY on those fashion model casting shows.
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>>77816659
>Maybe it's because if there's a cover with Catwoman showing boobage it gets 15 angy blogs
Or maybe it's because Catwoman is already in a skintight leather outfit with a cat theme, heels, and a whip as accessory so showing cleavage would be overkill.
Do you guys seriously think Catwoman lacks sex appeal because there aren't boobs?
>>77817118
Dynamite is an abomination of a publisher.
>>77816020
Dude, seriously, get a girlfriend or buy a flesh light or something. You're obviously so pathetically desperate that you need cheap sex appeal in comics.
You're reading the wrong books. Starfire, for example, is pure sex appeal. Her breasts are realistically flopping around on each page during action scenes.
>>77817458
>he thinks fleshlights have the same effect as a girlfriend
kek
>>77816020
Empowered
>>77817208
>And they are going out of their way to make Starfire not sexy page by page.
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>>77817662
My question is why does she even need a job?
>>77817686
why wouldn't she?
>>77817686
too old to be a teen titan, none of the paying leagues are hiring right now
>>77817662
Fuck it. I'm moving to France.
They're better at fighting terrorists anyway.
>>77817662
>keeping a woman from ensuring she gets the job
Stella's a cunt. She even straight up told her that tits made men stupid.
>>77817368
> Do you guys seriously think Catwoman lacks sex appeal because there aren't boobs?
Depends on the individual artist.
>>77817441
Ah, their shadow and noir stuff is all reasonably good.
The west is far behind when it comes to quality animated porn, if /aco/ is any indication. I think most of it is just due to the predominant stylistic tendencies of our industries.
>>77817662
No that is one of the stop the story moments.
Starfire is a character that should be sexy 90% of the time and her current outfit is so violently generic she is not.
Hipster Babsgirl is almost as cheesecakey as Starfire
>>77818070
Are you implying that they don't?
>>77818808
The outfit with the tiny shorts and thigh high boots? Nigga it's the sexiest outfit she's ever had
>>77818808
>My ´personal taste should distate everything.
Its her best costume in years fuckboy.
And I want a fun and interesting character first, and lewd second. You just seems like the typical /a/ user, that thinks that harem anime is a huge human achievement.
>>77817208
You sound like you're just hitting puberty
>>77818824
Previous outfit had thigh high boots.
And shorts aren't sexy on Women.
>>77818842
It's not the best of ANYTHING, it's not unique or special on any level It is unimaginably generic.
>>77818870
No I'm pretty sure people hitting puberty would Like them to rupture the story for sake of lame sexy humor.
>>77816020
I'm going to need someone to storytime this.
>>77818842
> And I want a fun and interesting character first, and lewd second.
She can be both, the current ongoing could have her in her RHATO outfit and nothing whatsoever would be changed about her characterization.
>>77818905
>shorts aren't sexy on Women.
Thats it, you are a lost case.
You have a shit taste man.
I am glad that people arent making things that you like.
Better for people with taste.
>>77818930
>She can be both
Its exactly what I said genius.
I just said that wanting cheesecake to be most of her appeal, is stupid on a storytelling perspective. Yes, you can make a sexy character doing lewd things, but story comes first.
> the current ongoing could have her in her RHATO outfit
That outfit looked stupid fella, the current one is way better. Again, you have shit taste, and should stop acting like your personal taste should direct all the design of the characters.
>>77818905
>And shorts aren't sexy on Women.
Yes they are you tasteless retard.
>>77816020
A lot of it is a reaction to the PC movement that has sprang up over the last few years.
Both Marvel and DC (especially DC) have had SJW and other tumblir idiots start controversies. These have lead to months of 'comic journalism' about how all white cis men are evil and that the comic industry needs to change.
At this point I just don't think they want to deal with it so they have intentionally shut it down.
For me the biggest WTF was when they changed poison ivy's outfit to a black bodysuit.
She is supposed to be the embodiment of fem fatal.
>>77818905
>And shorts aren't sexy on Women.
You spend way too much time looking at girls on the internet and not in real life
You better stop that before you desensitize yourself to the point that you fail to rise to the occasion when a real girl dtf
Honestly happened to a friend of mine.
>>77816020
That would be because A) you only read the big two and B) the stupid parts of America opened their mouths and stated 'we hate everything that a man can enjoy, so get rid of it or we'll whine about it on the internet' and they capitulated, like the stupid, gibbering, tits they are.
>>77816806
>those t-rex arms
lol
>>77818960
>the current one is way better
Current one is generic cosplay outfit #1, The RHATO outfit at least had that unique diamond like reflection on it, and cool boots.
Their is NOTHING special or particularly sexy about this current outfit.
>>77818935
>You have a shit taste man.
>>77819032
>Yes they are you tasteless retard.
Preferring exposed thighs to prudishly covering them AND her cleavage, is not in bad taste its just not giving a fuck about subtlety.
WW can be subtlety sexy, Starfire is suppose to the living incarnation of sex in the dc universe.
>>77816020
I always said we should lower the fan service in main comics and make a porn line to make up for it.
there's always rule34, eurocomics and manga.
It sucks to see censorship and political correctness fuck with comics and their fans buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut thanks to the internet, it's not the biggest loss in the world.
once pulp becomes fashionable again we'll go back to a phase of girls with big cans stabbing crocodiles in the buff.
>>77816493
What this guy >>77816746 said. I mean, there may or may not be "kid sections" in your lcs, but don't expect the majority of it to be kid-friendly, because it is certainly not. If you're not comfortable with that, just don't take the kid there at all, or head straight for the kid section covering his eyes the entire way and shouting for him not to be corrupted by the sin surrounding him.
>>77816020
Because of SJWs, that's why there is a lack of sex appeal and fan-service in US comic books, well, at the very least, in the big two. It's really hypocritical of the SJWs too, with the whole #FreeTheNipple thing, why not have a bit of sex appeal? But at least there's a silver lining, there are still porn comics and comics that have sex appeal out there
>>77819683
>eurocomics
some of those are older than some countries. can you name an active euro publisher of sexy comics?
>>77817662
is not that like saying cover yourself not to get raped? thats not very sex positive, why is she suppressing star fires liberation. men should be responsible for themselves even if she walks naked
>>77817458
Here we go with this again. "You like this thing? You need to get LAID, bro. Your worth is judged by how much gash you get, bro." Pretty patriarchal stance you're taking there.
>>77819746
It's not really their fault, people will whine about anything.
It's the comic companies' faults to be dumb and naive enough to cave in to their demands.
>>77819645
>Shorts
>not exposing thighs
Yup, retard.
>>77817118
You just wait until their sales go down faster than Spider-Gwen's appeal.
>>77819395
>big two
I read everything, or at least look at those 6 page previews, it's not just the big two. Image is very very lacking in fun sex appeal, often going for a very sterile Vertigo kind of feel etc.
And the Aspen stuff mentioned for example is generally a lot less cheesecakey than the covers suggest, and lower quality.
We could use more good fun books with some nice cheesecake in there, for ART baby!
>>77821473
Read any Empowered?
>>77821550
I've read that yep. There are a few books out of the 600 or so books out there, but an overall drought. And Empowered doesn't appeal to me personally, but it is good that there's a fetishy book like that out there.
Feels odd that such a pornographic book full of bondage and embarrassment fetishes (not really my bag) never shows a nipple, but that's another story.
>>77821596
How far in to it have you gotten?
>>77819645
>Preferring exposed thighs to prudishly
Her thighs ARE exposed ding dong
>>77821729
Years ago I read 5 or 6 books of it
>>77822085
Well, more books have come out, it's gotten better, it's still full of cheesecake tho.
>>77816083
Fansrvice isn't indicative of adult characters interacting like adults. That's having mature themes and writing, which fanservice is the opposite of.
Unless it's partially what the book is about, I can do without all the porny crap. Obviously Sexual themes have a place in many stories, but I'm not so sad that I need constant tits and ass. That shit isn't mature, it's juvenile. The Japanese have it right - some books have fanservice and are expected to, whereas other stories don't. You don't get heavy boobage in BLAME, and similarly I don't want pornstar poses in a serious western story. It's out of place, disruptive to tone, and lowers the overall quality of the book. If I want funny fanservice there's stuff like Empowered, where it works and doesn't detract from the narrative. Or there's porn.
>>77822229
Eh, a lot of these kind of posts generalize everything together. For one, how is lighthearted f fun sexuality the opposite of "mature"? It's fun for older readers (or young readers who can hide the book from their parents).
Not everything mature needs to be dour faced and completely un-stylized. And I'm not saying every book needs it.
But you'd think a few books would be like that from say Image every month at least. Rat Queens is the closest, but it's more of a Vertigo style book when it comes to sexuality, not really going "cheesecake"y with it.
Something like the first run of Danger Girl or BattleChasers or something would be a good indication of what I'm talking about. Or for anime/manga, manga One Piece, Gunsmith Cats, etc.
Just a well done story with a bit of fun-fanservice in it. Porn is great too but that's not really the same category at all, that's a very 0 to 60 comparison.
>>77816020
Read Grayson. There's tons of it there.
>All in all, there's a "fun cheesecake" drought in US comics, how do we turn this around?
Why do you want to?
>>77822438
Because cheesecake is nice.
>>77822464
But how will it improve comics?
>>77822544
variety is the spice of life you daft fool
>>77822544
Nobody will notice terrible writing and plotholes if they're too busy jerking it.
>>77822583
Then don't we currently have variety by being in a state of less cheescake if it was more prevalent in the past?
>>77816020
Americans are heavily triggered by sexuality. This was only a matter of time.
>>77822389
It's a matter of degrees, really. And context.
I'm not saying that skimpy outfits or sexual themes have no place. But there's a big difference between having titillating characters/situations and having dumb voyeuristic shite.
Examples: Lilith and Questor are comics that Yurop that feature a lot of nudity and sexual situations. It works for them, though, because the former simply treats it tastefully, whereas the latter sort of admits to being tasteless and has fun with it, treating it in a lighthearted manner. It also doesn't over do it - female characters might slip a nip occasionally, and there might be on-panel sex, but they're not constantly in porny poses even when it makes no sense for them to be. The titillation is more full-on and, excuse the pun, naked, but it's not juvenile and it's not constant. Gunsmith Cats is like this too.
Conversely, what we generally consider as fanservice in western comics manages to show less while being far less tasteful. Instead of there just being nudity or sex, you have characters with their asses or tits or both thrust out toward the reader in unlikely poses, even when there's no reason for them to be posed like this. Sitting down on a chair becomes draping oneself on a chair with back arched and ass raised, as though inviting the reader to come and fuck said character. It's constant and juvenile and all it does is make everything seem vaguely juvenile.
>>77823591
>vaguely juvenile
Meant to say vaguely ridiculous.
But whatever.
You guys had your chance in the 90s and they fucked it up with lefieldian bullshit.
It's not like Frank Cho isn't still employed and heading the art for one of the biggest Marvel names in comics right now or anything...
It's still fucking there.
>>77817329
no straight male gives a shit what the fashion industry thinks.
>>77818905
dumb shit.
>>77822544
By adding an enjoyable thing.
>>77819206
When she had that outfit she wasn't really doing the femme fatale role a lot.
>>77822389
It's absolutely immature and juvenile. It's a teenager's view of sex. Being immature isn't always bad, but let's not pretend cheesecake is the thinking man's comic.
>>77816020
Those of us who used to buy cheesecake want actual nudity now.
>>77816700
If they want to cover them up, the costume should be visually similar.
Put Sonja in full chainmail, not a burka. Pic related.
Put Vampirella in a gown, not biker shorts.
>>77819608
They look fine to me
>>77816020
kek
>>77816863
>kawaii
>>77816901
Sailor Ivy
>>77817662
You know, Flashpoint Starfire was overly sexual as fuck.
>>77819129
what means SJW?
>>77816747
Oh my God you're actually serious.
>>77816806
>>77816820
Late bump but that first picture you posted is from his creator owned book(he doesn't write it though) which both parts were already released in France this year. It's even licensed by Titan comics to be released in 2016 in the states.
Some pleb fan you are.
>>77827751
Appearently no one knows
>>77816816
>Yeah most mainstream artists can't draw textiles, they draw the shape of the body and the costume is colored on
I agree. Drawing clothes is a fucking headache if it's anything more complicated than a monocolored T-shirt/shorts/pants.
>>77816493
>You ever went to a comic book store with a kid, only to stumble on a large section of Witchblade? Or maybe try giving the kid an issue of Xmen, but turns out all of their favorite characters have rock hard nipples and are wearing string bikinis.
You do want him to give you grandchildren, don't you?
>>77817289
>>77817222
I agree. I've always opposed cheesecake for the sake of it. Only if it helps drive along the story.
>>77818905
>And shorts aren't sexy on Women.
lmfao
>>77825174
And just everything needs to be a thinking man's comic. If it isn't intellectually stimulating just toss it out.
>>77829015
Fuck that, it's more important to protect him from the dangers of the female body. If he grows up to be sexually repressed it's better than the alternative. You're doing the right thing anon.
