>one of the best cartoons ever created
>regarded as merely "okay" but a lot of /co/ posters
Why?
>I like to make things up and state them as fact
Why?
It didn't age well
The show doesn't know what it's doing.
Are they trying to appeal to adults with their references to pop culture that kids have no way of knowing? But then what's up with all the slapstick and fart/burp humor?
Is it trying to be educational by featuring historic figures? But then all of those are completely inaccurate.
But really the main issue is it's just not that funny or interesting.
>>77643313
It appeals to embarrasing nerds, people who have the pop culture knowledge AND the appreciation for childish fart jokes.
>>77643313
Oh yeah forgot to say that it looks like it was made to please snooty hollywoodians and not the mainstream audience. But hollywoodians have no respect for cartoons so those people weren't watching.
>>77643156
>90's tumblr
Pinky and the Brain and Slappy Squirrel were the best things to come from it.
>>77643313
>>77643342
>fart jokes
Did you gusy actually watch the show? There was almost no toilet humour.
>>77643313
>The show doesn't know what it's doing.
Commercially, it worked though considering how it was extremely popular when it came out, ratings and awards-wise.
Because, like almost all ensemble cartoons, only the main characters stories are actually funny.
>>77643409
I rewatched it recently. Yes there was.
>>77643436
Yeah I used to like it as a kid, but mostly for Pinkie and the Brain. I doubt any kid liked the Goodfeathers but it still got the good ratings.
>>77643156
Because this is /co/ and this is 4chan, and it's hip, cool, edgy, or whatever term the young kid of today use to put down that which is popular, but you and I both know that everybody who trash talks Animaniacs or other shows like it have the whole DVD or Blu-Ray collection and watch it while getting stoned, and laugh their fool heads off every time.
>>77643174
>Because I've never seen it, it isn't happening
Why?
>>77643156
Some of the gags are a little cringe-y seeing them as an adult but on the other hand lots of it is at least as funny as I remember.
The animation is sheer trash though. Seriously the only cartoon I can think of that is as inconsistent is early adventure time.
>>77643156
the dated american pop culture references noone understands sure are epic and hilarious
>>77643199
To be fair, nobody could have guessed Dot's ideal guy was going to turn into a batshit insane racist.
>>77644637
I wonder if people who make posts like this are as delusional as they seem whenever someone doesn't like what they like.
Freakazoid and Pinky & The Brain are superior
Tell me wrong, go ahead try
>>77643156
pop culture references. if this show came out today, it would be universally canned by /co/
>>77643409
>>77644931
Pinky and the Brain didn't have a whole lot to work with, but Freakazoid was pretty great.
>>77643313
Do you not know what a sketch comedy is?
>>77645139
That episode wasn't necessarily toilet humor though, unless you take the term literally. Wacko just needed to pee, there was no hokes about farting or defecation. What, do you consider that one Chowder episode toilet humor as well?
TMS shill pls leave
>>77644869
He's not entirely wrong
leddit, tumblr, and such will bring it up occasionally with
>LOL LE EBIN FINGERPRINTS JOKE
>DAE THE 1990s!!?1!
And /co/ will, in response, regard it as stupid
As John K puts it (Lord forgive me) this is a writers' cartoon and not a cartoonists' cartoon.
It's like Family Guy. The characters say something "funny", and there's some action on screen. See for example "Wheel of Morality" where the joke is that the jokes are lame. Ha! Funny! Or the anvil-dropping episode, the joke is that people are in pain after they get anvils dropped on them! Ha! Funny! And the characters are so sassy! And the guy who sings the anthem, he sings badly! Ha! Funny!
To paraphrase Chuck Jones, we don't laugh at anvils dropping on characters because it's inherently funny. We laugh because the characters are wounded, emotionally. When Daffy Duck gets shot in the face, his honor is wounded, not his body. Sure his beak gets blown off and he makes that angry simmer look, but most of all his pride is wounded and then he does something he'll regret.
All of that characterization, all of that character animation, and all of that thought behind what's happening on screen is lacking from Animaniacs.
>>77643156
they did like 120 episodes, they cant all be great. we cherrypick the best ones and we LOVE those, but we can't adore the entire show
>>77643156
>le nineties references
>>77646142
anvilania was funny because it was referencing old cartoons and also depicting a really stupid oldtimey kingdom.. and also referencing a bunch of movies.
also
>mystique
wut
>>77646691
>referencing stuff is funny in and of itself
Nah.
>>77643313
It makes pop-culture references people of most ages would have got back then; it also tries to be more all-ages than, say, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, which was clearly aimed at a particular demographic. Yes, a lot of it would have flown over various group's radars, but that was always going to be the case when they decided to make a cartoon that everybody could enjoy having to sit through.
Why did they do that? Because that's what Looney Tunes were. Cartoons for all ages. They also sold incredibly well and had a great deal of longevity as a product, which as it turns out, Animaniacs simply didn't. Partly because it was a lot easier to obtain - a 22 minute show plus ads for a full half-hour bloc, as opposed to a five-minute short originally intended to go ahead of the studio's feature presentations in theaters - and partly because a lot of it just wasn't keying to the same wide experiences as the shorts it was aping. There's a big difference between making jokes about movie stars who, despite being dead, appeared in some of the most famous movies of all time and are instantly recognisable in those roles to audiences even today, and making jokes about Prince. I mean don't get me wrong, he's a big musician, but he's not today in the same league as the stars of Casablanca.
>>77643156
It's not one of the best cartoons ever created. That's not a thing.
It is one of the most high-profile and heavily marketed cartoons of recent decades that didn't rest on a toy franchise, and it did have its moments.
>>77643353
>up the 99%! viva la revolucion!
fuck off, they're people who live in houses and go to work the same as everybody, not some magical clique formed from the shit /tv/ and /pol/ spout
I mean jesus christ anon do you turn up at the stage door of your local dinner theater every night clutching a roll of ones "because all actors are whores"?
fucking idiot
>>77647150
>not some magical clique
I was with you until that comment.
Hollywood is a clique that's distanced from reality. $20 bottled water and life-coaches for your chihuahua.Yup they live an extravagant lifestyle that's detached from the rest of the populace like that YouTube video of the rich girl going into a screaming and crying fit because her dad bought her the RED car instead of the PINK car and RUINED her birthday!
Not everybody in Hollywood is like that.
But lots of them are.
>>77647150
Jesus Hollywood guy, chill. I have no issue with people who work in the entertainment industry, but this was obviously made with them in mind. It feels like a big private joke.
And yes, I'm sure all children watched goodfellas. Idiot.
>>77646814
well it is if you do it cleverly. it's the same as any other task in comedy, be it a pun, a surprise, a bit of slapstick.. you can do it by rote or you can be creative and unexpected with it
>>77647318
well regardless of the goodfellas shit, the goodfeathers sketches were fucking repetitive and boring. Every single one is the goddamn same
>bobby casually notes the situation
>squitt, against all common sense, expresses himself
>pesto starts tearing into him
>bobby kinda asks him not to
>squitt tries in vain to defend himself
>pesto gets madder
>briefly acts like he's placated from the explanation
>just attacks the poor gray fucker for no reason
>if the birds were in some situation before, they will all get hurt and fail, even bobby
>bobby will never tell pesto to knock it off with enough authority to actually get him to stop
i'd rather watch fucking katie ka-boom
>>77647793
Honestly it's a pretty bad idea to make an entire series of shorts that refer to a movie most kids had never actually seen. Especially if your biggest joke is referring to a single scene.
>>77647793
A lot of the stuff in Animaniacs is formulaic and repetitive. You can add Mindy and Buttons, Rita and Runt and even the Warners themselves to Goodfeathers. Hell even Pinky and the Brain's basic premise makes it formulaic.
>>77647958
>Mindy and Buttons
That one was just sadistic.
>>77648001
Then you have Hip Hippos which just makes you wonder why someone thought that was a good idea
>>77648101
I think someone came up with the name "Hip Hoppos" and then had the writers come up with a story to fit that. Obviously it turned out terrible like pretty much everything where you come up with the name before you come up with the concept.
People also have been saying Tiny Toons was bad.
>>77646685
this to be quite honest family
>>77648389
Because it's literally 90's family guy with better animation and less shock jokes.
Every episode had a reference to something. Even entire episodes were just references to 90's shit but with CARTOON ANIMALS which makes it funny I guess?
>>77648517
I quite liked it. Ah well.
>>77644869
Not saying he's right in this case but lots of people on 4chan are just repeating what they heard on 4chan.
>>77646142
Dropping anvils on heads is classic physical comedy, you're fucking silly.
Because it IS only "okay."
Take off the nostalgia goggles.
>>77647277
>like that YouTube video of the rich girl going into a screaming and crying fit because her dad bought her the RED car instead of the PINK car and RUINED her birthday!
People have been bringing this up for a decade but I threw fits over things at least that inconsequential at 16.
>>77643382
It is the furthest thing from Tumblr that you can get.
>>77643394
Also The Warners.
>>77646142
No, John later said that he hates Japanese humor, also 97% of the staff can not speak English but were also trained by Pre-Ghibli Hayao Miyazaki as well.
It was made, ran and produced by anime artists who worked on Cagliostro, Fuma Clan, Akira & Little Nemo.
>>77646659
There were 99 episodes and a DTV movie.
>>77647958
Also Lupin III, at least Blue Jacket stretchs out of it's formula.
>>77648517
No it was not, it was 90s Osamatsu-Kun/Tensai Bakabon (they were made by the same guy, plus by the 90s Bakabon switched studios to Pierrot so TMS needed a replacement).
At least we have Osamatsu-San.
>>77648389
No it was not, Jones hated it because of how the characters were handled.
>>77648342
They're funny enough when it isn't their segment. But yeah Hip-Hippos is trash. Goodfeathers I actually LOVED as a kid but can't seem to sit through now.
>>77649035
Oh christ the TMS autism guy is here.
>>77648994
No it is not, it is a masterpiece.
>>77649089
No he is not, don't be stupid.
>>77649046
At least The Goodfeathers had 1 TMS short from Atsuko Tanaka who also did alot of Ghibli movies.
>>77646142
>It's like Family Guy
>>77649216
It's nothing like Family Guy.
Because, just like Tiny Toons, Freakazoid, and Pinky & Brain, it was lazy with it's comedy.
It couldn't do slapstick, the animation was spastic with characters constantly jolting and shoving their faces right into the camera, and relied to much on overt references than actual jokes.
Spielberg was the Seth MacFarlane of the 90s.
>>77649216
It was.
The joke was the reference. You think the characters dancing to the Macarena and calling it the "Macadamia" is funny on its own? It isn't. It's funny because the Macarena was a song from the radio everyone knew.
>>77645775
Since when does peeing not count as toilet humor?
>>77647958
The thing is, the show had a bunch of different formulas, and were guaranteed to not see them all, or even the majority of them, in a single episode. That's what made it work, the show always felt fresh because you were never given the same formula as last week, something that most cartoon shows fail to do even today. Granted, some were hit and miss, like the aforementioned Katie Ka-boom and Goodfellas, but P&B and Chicken Boo were genius.
>>77648517
>better animation
>less shock jokes
Then it isn't fucking Family Guy, you troglodyte.
>>77649285
It is relatively mild for toilet humor, to the point where it's almost trivial to call it that. The joke comes from Wacko's desire and torture because he is unable to pee, not the piss itself. Again, no one considers Chowder to have toilet humor, despite having that exact premise for an episode.
>>77649254
No it was not, it was just Japanese, the animation was excellent when TMS did the animation in house through Telecom (who was the TMS unit that did the actual animation;sub contracters varied) and everything came out excellent because of the Miyazaki training.
Spielberg is nothing like MacFarlane, he is much more like Hayao Miyazaki & Fujio Akatsuka mixed in a blender.
>>77649254
Spielberg didn't have that much to do with the cartoons themselves, though
>>77649578
True, that will be Tom Ruegger & Toshihiko Masuda.
>>77649259
So Space Ghost Coast to Coast was like Family guy too, right?
>>77649998
No.
>>77649998
What? No, you dumbass.
>>77650062
BUT IT MAKES 90S REFERENCES
>>77643156
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>>77649089
>>77649131
>No he is not, don't be stupid.
>something something TMS
Never change, TMS cocksucker.
>>77650268
TMS has alot of fans, otherwise explain Blue Jacket Lupin III.
>>77650589
In other words, don't pin point.
>>77649259
Man, the Muppet Show must have been like, 70's Family Guy! All those guest stars and 70's references.
>>77650634
It was nothing like Family Guy, it was more like SNL.
>>77650675
You know, except it was better.
>>77650687
True.
>>77643156
>>one of the best cartoons ever created
It was literally FamGuy for kids. Who honestly thinks Animaniacs was the best show ever?
>>77644757
What? Was her ideal Mel Gibson?
>>77650730
I like it, not as much as Tiny Toons, or Freakazoid, but it was something to watch when waiting for Kids WB to play new episodes of Pokemon.
>>77650589
>>77650632
sure.
>>77650730
No it was not, it's Japan's answer to Laugh In.
>>77651212
Uh
Animaniacs wasn't Japanese
>>77650771
>liking tiny toons more than animaniacs
Ooooooh tiny versions of classic characters
So original
>>77651480
It saved them from Little Nemo.
>>77651309
It was co produced.
>>77651618
Outsourced. Even then it was only partially outsourced to Japan.
>>77650730
No, it's not. Say what you will about Animaniacs, but at least the show had the decency to stick with their characters for the humor rather than move to a cutaway gag every 30 seconds because even the creators don't have enough confidence to believe that their own characters can hold their own for a half-hour.
>>77643156
Because John K told them to.
>>77643313
>pop culture that kids have no way of knowing?
Why do people always say this?
Kids do not care if they don't get references. It doesn't matter at all to them. Only adults care, because it makes them feel stupid.
>>77651681
It was not outsourced, TMS had say and gets money from it. It was even one of the 5 DVD sets that sold well for them.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2015-05-27/anime-studios-success-calculated-based-on-10-years-of-disc-sales/.88558
>>77643313
It's a series of shorts. It does a little of everything.
>>77652816
>I don't understand how outsourcing works
>>77654633
Yes I do, it's ditching when TMS was not a ditch pot on Animaniacs.
>>77652816
>somebody punch me in the stomach
>punch me as hard as you can
>actually, aim for my head
>it's already fucked up in there
Warnerfags only made this thread becausethey want porn of their late 80's and 90's waifus.
>>77647277
Sorry, what? Your argument is that teenagers are irrational and some of them have rich parents?
Or is your argument that rich people spend their money on things poor people can't afford?
What *is* your argument here? Is it that someone made a cartoon for "Hollywood people" who are, in fact, not mostly rich other than compared to the dustbowl states, or is it that they made 5 seasons of a cartoon for maybe a handful of people at the very top of the entertainment industry? Because that's retarded. You're retarded if you think that, anon.
>>77647318
You, I don't even know where to start with. Did you not read the post you responded to or did you just forget what it said by the time you got to the end? Seriously. Go back. Write notes for yourself to help you remember. Don't forget what the notes say. If you wake up tomorrow surrounded by notes in your handwriting that you don't remember making, seek medical assistance because you may be brain damaged.
>>77647934
Who said the Goodfellas aspect of it was for the kids? It's an all-ages cartoon. It's designed for adults to be able to tolerate it.
If it was aimed solely at the childrens it would have more lasers, swords and shouting, and possibly princesses.
