How come sports isn't a staple genre of western comics and cartoons like in my chinese ones?
Because most of the people who watch sports are fat men who actually dislike them, but use them as an excuse to drink until they become comatose.
/co/ creators are beta as fuck and can't handle /sp/artan master race.
Because western creators recognize how boring sports are.
>>77578955
But real sports are super popular in America. Clearly there is interest and it's not boring to a lot of people.
Because we already got Hollywood "inspirational" sports movies.
Also, when we try to make sports cartoons, they tend to be bad like ProStars
It really is curious because generally the popular genres in east and wester overlap a whole lot except for sports which is a huge, super-popular genre in Japan and virtually nonexistant in the west.
Sports aren't a good source of interesting stories, like >>77578994 said, Hollywood has done it to death with a million feel good underdog movies.
>>77579040
I don't buy that. Hollywood has also done action, thriller, drama, etc. to death but those comics and cartoons still get rolled out.
Because in the west comics are primarily consumed and created by nerds. Nerds and jocks historically don't get along. I'd actually argue that superhero comics are created as a reaction to and out of envy/spite for jocks.
>>77578824
Because I'd honestly watch a good basketball game or a good football game. There's only so many stories you can tell in sports fiction.
It's because high school sports are a huge deal in Japan.
In the US college sports are huge as well but it's less universial. School spirit is less of a thing.
>>77579066
Action, thriller, drama, etc. are very vague genres. Sports is very specific and limited. You can tell an underdog tale or a story that uses sports as a vehicle for a larger story (like desegregation in Remember the Titans).
>>77578955
Look fatty, just because you're not into physical activity doesn't mean it's boring.
Because americans watch actual sports.
>>77579293
It's fun if you're the one doing it. Why would I waste my time reading about or watching other people do it for "entertainment?"
>>77579254
I don't think it's limited. You can mix all sorts of things into a sports story, not to mention the subjects themselves are extremely varied.
There is just no market for them, at least in North America.
Most sports anime (with a few exceptions) tend to be widely ignored in the west.
>>77579332
Seeing people who are the best in their field compete is entertaining.
>>77578824
Because in the west Sports is a genre all its own, never to be mixed with anything else.
All sports manga are either action, or drama/romance just with sports as a theme. Western writers would never dare attempt such a thing because sports movies are just something for grandpa to take his grandson to.
>>77579438
I don't really understand what you mean by "Sports is a genre all its own, never to be mixed with anything else". You always have something else in it, most sports are full of action by definition.
Give me an example of what you consider 'exclusively sports'.
>>77579254
Watch or read Hajime no Ippo, there's plenty of drama involved that centres around boxing and it's many hardships and glory moments. In a lot of the fights there is no underdog, even Ippo after a few fights mostly fights people he's close to in terms of skill.
There's plenty of stories to tell involving sports, if you know a lot about the sport you're talking about and the repercussions of said sports during and after playing them. Ashita no Joe is another boxing classic because of this.
Because we do sports as an episode theme not an entire show theme.
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Don't mind me, just the best Sports comic coming through.Hajime No Ippo is also an acceptable answer
>>77580054
Eww. On both.
>>77579477
There's sports movie action which consists of a couple minutes of montage in a 90 minute movie and then there's stuff Slam Dunk and Prince of Tennis. There's technically a little action but they're not action movies.
>>77578824
>chinese
>when I mean japanese!
>ecks DEE!!!
I don't get why people perpetuate this jokeless thing.
Because the teams in the west are good at the sports they play
>>77579477
I think he's trying to imply that Sports as in the games we watch, qualify as a genre and we wouldn't have that crossover with other genres therefore there's no point.
However we've had tons of Sports related tv shows movies and books that are comedies and dramas. The issue is probably more comics are stuck in more limited subject houses Cape subject matter dominates. Then below that it's Noncape Genre Fiction more specifically General Stocks of Scifi and Fantasy. Then below that it's typically mundane drama/comedy.
>>77580110
Why do people still greentext exaggerated versions of what was said?
The only ongoing Sports comic in the UK I can think of is Striker, which is a dodgy looking newspaper comic in the Sun (Which is, for the record, the trashiest of all UK newspapers)
It's certainly no Roy of the Rovers
>>77580211
Jesus christ, I hate the lack of self awareness common in westerners.
How did no one realize this is awful to look at on every level?
a jonathan hickman sports comic where an actual game doesn't happen until its 30 issues in, and is more concerned with building up to the game
>>77580228
The old people that still read the comics probably think that it's the most amazing thing in the world.
![The-Sun---23-July-2010-007[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xqD5uVk.jpg "The-Sun---23-July-2010-007[1].jpg")
>>77580228
I feel I should reiterate that this is a daily Newspaper comic.
For the Sun.
Quality control isn't exactly something they go for.
>>77580246
My parents would think this was garbage just from a visual standpoint alone. But I'm American, so they'd expect the usual Sunday Funnies, not... whatever this is.
![BBssXNcCQAAUhE4[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ijOLLtx.jpg "BBssXNcCQAAUhE4[1].jpg")
>>77580294
Every now and again, a woman gets naked. That's the selling point.
>>77580390
This looks like 3d porn comics. Except those look better. And the kid's the one doing the fucking.
>>77580268
>Quality control isn't exactly something they go for.
Exactly.
This is so much more of a western comic problem than an eastern one.
People not giving a shit drives me nuts.
>>77580429
exactly my thoughts
>>77578824
I believe it's the same reason no decent music-based cartoons exists; Western cartoons are comedy and wacky fun over all as opposed to committing to an accurate and interesting depict of a subject, see; any sports or rock band episode in a majority of western work.
Because it's always boring shit.
Sports is only good when you're doing it, not when you're watching it.
>>77578955
Have you seen a soccer game? People go crazy for it
>>77578824
Im not aware of any cartoons from CHina about sports.
Japan, however has many
>>77580054
Eyeshield is great but Hajime no Ippo needs to end.
>>77578921
It's true. I don't think people Hirsch or Sugar could even hold a ball.
I find spokon manga boring, I don't actually like sports, except soccer because italianfag (and I don't even like watching matches that much, i just know a lot of things in general and occasionally enjoy playing FIFA). What i'm trying to say is that it is a very specific genre, sports as a whole are an entire different mean of entertainment, people would rather watch real sport than reading a comic book about it, also because comic books about sport are silly, I can't take shit like Captain Tsubasa seriously. If I want pyrokinetic action or interesting drama I read action and drama, not spokon. Cinema is different, since it is a very mundane thing.
The only interesting sport comic book i've ever seen was a british one about soccer which was also written by Morrison I think, but there were nazis and a zombified soccer legend, it had really little to do with actual soccer.
because we have real sports, that are very exciting, dramatic,and planned and staged, just like fiction
>>77578824
Animated finale never. The match against Sannoh was one of the hypest shit ever. Nevermind the west, what you should lament is that more recent sports based chinese cartoons have been glorified capeshit with powers and what not instead of being actually about sports.
>>77580840
Haikyuu is pretty good.
And outside of Basugay I don't see much super power sports.
>>77578824
It did anon. It was foot 2 rue and it was the shit.
>>77580928
I remember wstching that, were the MC and the nun related? Something like that was implied but I always thought she looked too old.
Anyone else fans of Haikyu?
I've been watching that and loving it.
>>77578824
The pacing for the animu was terrible what with all the introspection and shit in the middle of the game. It was perfect in the manga cause the length of those introspection depended entirely on reading speed. Haven't really read anything else from west or wherever that felt as kinetic as Slam Dunk.
>>77581058
why are they elves?
>>77581081
theyre not
This is the greatest sports animu of all time.
>>77579218
I think this is probably the best answer.
We get sports shoved down our throats 24/7 by probably the biggest collection of media concerns in the country.
Why would I want to see MORE of that crap.
yet they wonder why kids prefer to read mangas when most of their stuff is capeshit that will never get cartoons.fuck moeshit tho that stuff is garbage.
>people know more about kuroko basket than slam dunk
>people know more about hajime no ippo than ashita no joe
>>77580054
I hate football but ES21 is forever one of my favorite manga. I remember waiting obsessively for each new chapter to be translated. Bought it all in English too. America couldn't make such a charming football series given how obnoxious fans of football are in America. Part of the charm of the series is that American Football is a reject sport at their school until the team actually gets good at it.
american sports is different from other countries. As someone who follows European and sometimes South american football, their sports are culturally driven, while american seem to be media and corporate driven.
I don't know if this captures it or not, but the sport scene is completely different.
>>77582639
In a medium aimed at young people, new stuff is more known that old stuff? Say it aint so m8.
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I'd assume its because historically it doesn't really work out.
>>77582846
people still know about dbz after all these years anon.
There are only two types of successful sports animes, the majority are shounen like Kuroko and the more quality minority are character-driven like Ping Pong the Animation; the latter which just doesn't exist in American animation.
Animation aimed at teenage boys have really fallen out of favor in recent years because they just aren't a profitable demographic. Teenage boys play video games and shit. Anime has the benefit of having whole seasons funded from year to year based on material that already exists. No writing needs to be done strictly for the show. American animation doesn't have that.
So not only does a long-standing cartoon not work, even a short one doesn't work and no channel wants to fund a short cartoon that doesn't have major interest like Marvel or DC. Also I personally believe that American audiences don't really appreciate campiness. Like if they saw a dude knocking in threes from full court, even in a cartoon, they would think it was so ridiculous that any attempt at suspense or drama would be futile.
>>77582910
they dont even try.
TLA is very shonen-like but showed off the better side of american animation too.
>>77578824
It's kinda strange, considering there's good material out there to base a story (Chuck Daly's Pistons or Vlade Divac and Drazen Petrovic story).
But my guess is that kids don't really like sports in their cartoons and most of the people who like comics don't really care for anything outside capes and I don't think people who are really into sports would care about comics.
>>77578921
Unfortunately, the jockhead stereotype is something very present in the media, people like fucking dobson grow up thinking only dumb people care for sports, and that's the kind of people who land jobs as writters these days.
>>77582900
Dragon Ball still gets new content and given how long it was running, it actually isn't that old.
Ashita no Joe ended like what, 20 years ago?
>>77578824
Most sports manga, even if written for boys, is fueled by fujoshi for obvious reasons.
>>77583747
That's just a meme. Only Basugay is made for that since the fujoshibux were apparently too alluring.
>>77580115
What an unbelievably shitty post
>>77581058
Yeah it's bretty good.
>>77585189
Prove me wrong
>>77580602
Well soccer is a fucking boring sport unlike wrestling or football. Sure they can both be boring at times but they are way more exciting than soccer could ever be.
>>77585833
>Well soccer is a fucking boring sport unlike wrestling or football
>soccer is a fucking boring sport
>unlike football
>football
Holy fuck I honestly hope you're just baiting because you must be fucking retarded if you're not.
>>77578824
Japan's comics market has way higher and broader mobility and isn't in and of itself a niche thing, it just has niches to it. You don't have to be an unwashed mouthbreather to read comics there, only certain kinds of comics. Here the comics thing is only just starting to try and break out of being a niche market and even then it's not doing an especially good job of it. It's not just a weeb thing btw, France and Italy have been pushing out shit in on the comics front for decades.
>>77585935
100% honest, but if it makes you feel better I prefer wrestling over football
>>77578824
No one would watch it.
>>77580602
>a sport where a bunch of faggy European men run around kicking a ball and then pretending they got hurt makes the rest of the world to nuts except America
Kek
>>77578824
>How come sports isn't a staple genre of anime that gets dubbed in the west?
I will never stop hating weebs and their shit taste.
>>77586258
>a sport where a bunch of fat American men grab each others asses and pile up on top of each other unsurprisingly only makes America go crazy.
>>77578824
Because why watch some cartoon about basket ball when you can just watch basket ball? If you want drama or something just watch the news, there's always some basket ball player doing some shit.
>>77578824
>tfw no modern animation of Slamdunk with the inter-high tournament
>>77582900
Well if they'd quit going back to Raditz landing on Earth maybe it would have ended already.
>>77586579
People don't read/watch sports manga/anime for the "people doing sports" aspect as much as the story and characters. Same reason that there are people who enjoy Rocky or Bad News Bears but don't watch boxing or baseball.
Come to think of it, why are there so many good baseball movies and yet all the football movies are pretentious self serious horse shit?
>>77580840
>more recent
I find it's the opposite. Recent sports anime has had less bullshit super powers than older ones.
>>77580864
>>77581058
My niggas
>>77586780
Because baseball and soccer and hockey are seen as things that rich white kids play whereas football goes for the cheap drama like some poor redneck or black kid in a mostly white environment having ONE LAST SHOT to win state or to continue their football hopes into college or the NFL. It appeals to the fat old bible belt that gave up on their hopes and dreams and who vigorously live those out in the characters.
>>77578824
Who let the nerd and the manlet on the team?
I think it might be that the comic reading audiences in America share a lot in common with sports fans in the fact that neither likes knowing the outcome of the game is already fixed and known. They just haven't seen it yet.
Sports fan will stop caring about a game the second they know there's a result. And the mega-fans have more in common with comic readers than either would like to admit. So it stands to reason that their mindset towards set outcomes in competitive sport is probably very similar.
Pro wrestling is different. It might as well be capeshit already. It's much more weird that there hasn't been more crossover on either side from that end.
>>77591434
Plenty of capes in wrestling.
>>77579237
>Implying Texas High School football isn't a huge deal
>>77592627
>texas
also is it really
>>77582719
It's a shame that it ended so abruptly. The World Cup arc was so rushed (The Germans were taken out on one splash page despite all the build up)
At least the artist is doing One Punch Man now
>>77578824
Because every attempt getting foothold in this genre better left forgotten.
>>77580054
You got good taste. I love eyeshield. Something about a bunch of Japanese misfits playing American football is awesome.
>>77579332
...you do realize that "watching other people do sports" is a thing and not only that but a thing which makes a fuuuuckton of money? It IS kind of weird that you have tons of anime about sports of all kinds even though, let's face it, basketball isn't really a big thing in Japan (mainly because they aren't, hohoho) but totally absent here in cartoons or comics.
