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"Hibernation" officially airs today at 7pm EST.
The bears, being an urban bunch, hadn’t ever heard of the idea of hibernation until Chloe tells them about it. Grizz, loving the idea of eating a ton and then just sleeping to his heart’s content, goes for it with reckless abandon. But Grizz is so excited for hibernating… that he can’t fall asleep.

Hibernation (sneak peek): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulX4VleYhb8

Upcoming episodes: None. Get ready for a hiatus.

All current episodes in 1080p: https://mega.nz/#F!ARoAWKJJ!9qgaeqvVSqb5mNA4DBfQWw

Image Archive (NSFW): http://webarebears.booru.org/
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fuck panda
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>Grizz gets fat episode

Also hi, /wbb/ general. It feels like I haven't seen one in ages.
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What if Chloe joins them in hibernation as well?
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>>77573043
>Get ready for a hiatus.
Why do all of my favorite shows go on hiatus?
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I have a feeling the fanbase will be dead or at least Harvey Beaks tier after the hiatus. Either way this is the last episode for me before I drop it for good. It's a cute show but it's not doing it for me anymore. It's been a fun ride, I guess.

Sorry, /wbb/.
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I'm not ready for a long hiatus. Is /wbb/ going to hiatus too and going to weekly Wednesday thread like last hiatus?
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>>77573365
I don't know. That doesn't sound so bad considering how long our threads last.
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>>77573092
Can't wait to see more fat Grizzly stuff. Well, fatter Grizzly stuff seeing as how bears are natually fat already.
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>>77573339
Haven't watched Harvey Beaks, but why do you think that?
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>>77573986
This. Nothing wrong with having weekly threads.

I was pretty surprised no one decided to make a new thread before today. /wbb/ did good!
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>>77574374
/wbb/ once agreed to go a whole week without making a general thread. /wbb/ is all a bunch of chill-ass bearfuckers.
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>>77574259

The fanbase that likes Harvey Beaks are small or simply do not exist. We Bare Bears has nothing going for it other than it's some pointless cute slice of life just like Harvey Beaks. The only difference is We Bare Bears had the luxury of being heavily advertised in CN. The hype will only die down from here.
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>>77573043
I've been waiting for this.

I told you guys Grizz would be the last bear to be posted in the last thread
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Ice Bear is best bear.
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>>77573339
Its starting
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>>77575591
Even if the fandom dies, which I don't think it will we'll still have the show. What more could we need?
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>>77575655
But I like you guys
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>>77575655
I like the show alright, but part of why I like it is because I can talk about it with you guys, all of my friends prefer to watch anime.
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hey qts
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>>77575957

Your friends are right though. Anime is better.
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Oh hey, it's Daniel Chong's birthday.
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>>77573339
Agreed. The show is too tumblr for my tastes.
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on a scale from 1 to 10 how scared are you for tonight's episode?
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>>77576624

>>77576686
What is there to be afraid of?
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>>77576708
that it'll be a regular for funsies episode without much significance
it's the mid-season, I expect something big
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WHERE IS THE LEAK?
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>>77576808
Nowhere.
There were leaks but those leaks were from the last Bear Bomb. We didn't even get a leak from last week's episode, either.
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>>77576808
next time you see leaks it'll be on Steven Bomb 4
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Greentextfag from last thread. Any requests? Same sad shit or happy shit, I feel like writing.
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>>77576940
How about funny shit?
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>>77576940
Ice Bear cooking for his brothers.
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>Grizz has a fireman body pillow.
>Ice Bear has to wash it.
>Ice bear has to sit in his fridge for 3 hours minimum while crying silently after washing that pillow.
>Same goes with panda’s miki-chan.
>Nobody knows what Ice Bear goes through.
>He has to use 10 cups of Tide to clean the stains.
>But no amount of Tide will wash away the shame.
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>>77573339
Just be sure to visit!
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>>77576603
Happy birthday Dannie Chang!
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>>77577421
>implying Ice doesn't cum all over his fireaxe
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>>77577421
>>77577890
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Any streams?
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Here's an episode related question: What's the best thing you've eaten this week?
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>>77573339
Same, though I'll probably binge the second half of the season once that ends.
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Just saw the episode with the Burrito. Holy shit this show made me laugh and now it made me feel.
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>>77578296
that was pretty much the highest the show's ever been with feels.
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>>77578164
A no-bake lemon eclair cake.
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>more Chloe

*unzips dick*
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>>77575364
The most painful part of that is not that I was a few seconds late to post Nom-nom, but that I could have posted the Supernom I had queued anyway in that post complaining about not being able to post it...
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>>77578609
>more Chloe
*tightens belt*
How do people even find her attractive?
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>>77578600
Haha. Loved it!
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>>77578164
Maple icing donut with bacon sprinkled on top.
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>>77576543
But he doesn't want to talk about anime, he wants to talk about bears!
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>>77578739
>tfw you like something more than anyone else you know
>tfw you can't talk to anyone irl about your interests because you're too fanatic about them
Most conversations i have irl about WBB usually last about 10 seconds, then move on to something else.
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>>77578703
You just can't beat Grizz man. Hes just.. The Best

>>77578600
This entertains me greatly. Good job!
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>>77576543
>Anime is better.

Japanese animation has a special nature. It can attract many fans if it's of poor quality, even overseas. They say "Japanimation overcame the world." I can't see why it's the way it is. I think the quality of Japanese anime is worse than Western animation.
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>>77578600
>Later that night Grizz returns to the Four Chan
>He can't get it out of his mind
>The depravity of it all consumes his thoughts
>He loves the attention he gets, and he even stops scrolling past the lewd things as fast
>Every night he becomes a little more accustomed to the board, flaws and all
>And soon, he starts talking to them himself
>Because on the internet, nobody knows you're a bear.
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>>77578829
>Beat grizz
should I post that image?
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>>77578885
No No No! No need for that
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>>77578775
Same. There's just more to talk about in continuity heavy shows. The most noteworthy things are that small glimpse of Grizz's back story, Ice Bear's name never being said, and Panda having American television's first hug pillow. Most of the conversation is best kept on an anonymous board.
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>>77578885
>>77578923
some scrapes and a bloody nose, so what

spongebob has gotten away with worse
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>>77578839
In Japan, a lot of anime is meant to get people to buy merch related to that anime, not just products that are advertised on the networks that broadcast them. This allows them to be more varied in content and to aim for audiences with disposable income. That means targeting kids and older people with jobs. Our view on cartoons is more narrow and so while we finally role around to pumping out Avatar the Last Airbender (still waiting for another show like it to come out) they have a variety of anime so there's a better chance to find something that appeals to you.

What they don't do as well is comedy, but that's something we focus on too much. I'd take PBC over WBB even though it isn't as funny.
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>>77579018
Hurts every time
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Who can come up with the best humanization for the Bears? Go into MSPaint and draw the best human you can.
>"but there are no good humanizations!"
Just draw how you feel they should look. It's going to look bad no matter what.
I'd participate, but I'm mobile right now.
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best bear

>hhurrrrrrrrrrm
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>>77579224
I'll stick to my own austim, thanks.
i wish i had something better than a mouse for this
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>>77579224
Here you go.
Did this in 5 minutes with a mouse.
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>>77579295
Nice.
Coffee Break and I Believe in You are great songs.
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>>77579224
Finished mine.
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>>77579471
>human ice wears a fursuit
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>>77579471
That actually looks pretty nice
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TWENTY MINUTES
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>>77578600
You madman, I love it!
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Gonna have to miss this and see it later. Damn.
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I bet human Ice has nice abs
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>>77579471
Best humanization right now.

>>77579720
Why?
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>>77579224
when it comes to fan interpretations I'm with that Klasky Csupo artist, but this show's art is on the bland side so it doesn't really matter
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So I'm still some episodes behind
They ever do or plan to do a hibernation episode?
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>>77579971
?????
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>>77573295
Cause literally the only cartoons you can make in a week are
1. South Park episodes
2. Most cartoons from the 60s (or at least they seem cheap enough that it should only take a week)
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so, is there a stream link?
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>>77579992
Yeah I feel like a fool
Didn't even bother to check
Nvm
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WE
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>>77580068
BARE
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>ice bear unironically showing emotion
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god damn panda is a fucking weeb
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i forgot panda had a daki
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Panda is gonna turn into Josip on Deck
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He took his daki.
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>The world isn't ready for what Ice Bear can do.

>>77580153
What a prick.
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>>77580153
And he's SLEEPING WITH IT.
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>Stealing the daki
>not even cuddling it
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>Griz is sleeping with Panda's daki
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>not just humping the daki until you cum and fall asleep
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Who is that voicing the little grizzly bear. I swear I heard his voice on Bob's Burgers.
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>anyone who tells you to stop is just jealous of you
oh dear thats a turning point
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So getting smothered by a daki makes you trip balls.
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So did he fuck the daki?
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Grizz x story grizzly when?
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What the fuck? So does he hibernate or no?
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8/10 at least Panda got his daki back
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>>77580259
probably already has pandas cum stains all over it
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Dat daki do
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>>77580216
Sounded like Dean Venture to me
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>>77580259
Everyone fucked the daki, Panda's waifu a SLUT
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>tfw missed most of the episode
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>>77580310
mega soon
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Never has that one filtered word been more appropriate
Seriously who lets another man sleep with their daki
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>>77580320
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>>77580326
Since when did kek get censored? Is 4chan going PC?
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>>77580349
a few weeks ago I think
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Mega Link?
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Man its kinda a waste on how god tier we bare bears humans are. Couldve used them for steven universe
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MEGA when?
I don't wanna read all the posts here just to spoil myself.
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>>77580349
theyre just fucking sick of hearing it. i know i am
it's an ugly word anyway. it's the kind of word that sticks in your ear like peanutbutter and you want it gone
and the female equivalent, c.uckquean, is even fucking worse. gahh you made me say it
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>>77580349
Remember when nigger and retard were word-filtered? These things just happen when stuff gets out of hand, then passes.
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>>77580403
Literally nothing happened. The episode was shit.
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>>77580349
c.uck, f.am, s-mh, and t.bh got censored (and replaced to kek, senpai, baka and desu, repectively) as part of the Halloween redesign for the site, SJW was censored as well, but that was only for the day, the rest stayed
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>>77580349
filtered because of its proliferation not because of its meaning. I think spooky scary skeleton should of stayed though
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>>77580435
I miss the days when these wordfilters weren't smart and could fuck up other unrelated words.
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>>77580432
i've never even heard the third one. i feel like tobehonest might be overused a tad but it's hardly in the same league as the others
>>77580452
haha. wristwatch.
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>>77580349
It was like saying nigger except 100x more annoying and overused
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>>77580465
I mostly saw it on /v/, but yeah, even there it wasn't nearly as used
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>>77580432
Oh those are the words?
I connected cluck with kek but I thought they replaced faggot with senpai.

Testing it out.

kek, keks, senpai, baka, desu.

I always disliked those words anyways.
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Reminder that Panda is a GIRL________
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I like Panda the most desu
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>>77580388
Not tumblr enough.
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>>77580582
FAST HOLY SHIT
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That story book bear is a total qt
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>>77580582
Haha nice...

It just occurred to me that Panda owns the world's least suggestive daki. His waifu isn't even laying down.
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>>77580687
I was thinking about this the entire time, too, haha.
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>>77580687
it might have a hidden flipside if the sheets are reversed
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MEGA WHEN
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>>77580762
>Grizz does the laundry and gets to his body pillow
>After taking the pillow out of the case he notices that it's reversable
>He reverses it
>It's Maki holding a carrot
>"Well, that's cute"
>He flips it over while putting it in the washer
>After he shuts it his eyes open wide open at what he thought he saw
>He opens the Washer
>The other side has Maki pleasuring herself with a carrot
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>>77580872
I thought it was Miki-chan.
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>>77580930
Oh wait it was, well I'm a dumb.
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>>77580872
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doesnt usually take this long for a mega does it?
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This episode's ending was so comfy
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stream: http://www.toonova.com/we-bare-bears-episode-25
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Oh cool. i get do stuff
Link will be up shortly. HD link is in MKV. both of them not my rips
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>>77581386
Ice Bear a cute. Also, confirmed for polar bear now. Since people were theorizing otherwise.
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download link here

https://mega.nz/#!HpxWxBLR!Z4dIUKFnhYtjbIwCkEtYNE03uTsAJo8a2NcmkoEfiMM
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>>77581821
Cool, thanks. See you lads next year!
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>>77581448
>>77581821
awesome. i am pleased to have choices
you guys are great yknow
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Is Grizz a weeb?
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>>77578346
>all the feels
FORESHADOWING
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Are we confirmed for hiatus? I don't remember seeing this officially.
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>>77581719
And he said "our"
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>55 Posters
Good God, this general's tiny.
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What the hell happened to their eyes? It's like those small black dots got bigger.
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Download HD Link

https://mega.nz/#!vh5DiY6L!g2sZulArsXT6tC-ieGsnWWkskpQuzfNpPMVnaZ84Im0
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>>77582011
the most we have is 83~ people
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>>77582011
Yep. This is /wbb/ for ya.

>>77582058
I like this size of the eyes
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>>77582112
>https://mega.nz/#!vh5DiY6L!g2sZulArsXT6tC-ieGsnWWkskpQuzfNpPMVnaZ84Im0
ayyy!
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What an adorable episode. Was the little book bear voiced by Krillin? The VA sounds familiar.

>>77582171
Huh. Maybe there will be more posters later tonight, since the episode just aired.
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>>77582112
Thanks man, hadn't seen you around for a while.
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>>77582112
Noice.
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>>77582112
Thanks! You're great.

By the way, I don't hang out on /co/ much so I don't know how this works or who everyone is. Do you and Madridista split up shows amongst yourselves or have a schedule or something? Do you know who's uploading Adventure Time tonight? Because I'm really looking forward to that.
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>>77581719
eh.. just because he thinks he is one..
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>>77582291
it's already up
they had it already because leaks, so they didnt have to wait
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>>77582356
I was waiting to watch it in HD since the links were SD. The HD broadcast version has been uploaded each night before.
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>>77582322
With his tolerance of the cold, I think he's supposed to be a polar bear. Question is how the heck he got there. Same with Panda.
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>>77582267
>>77582272
>>77582291

Since Madridista does most of the uploading i decided to take a back seat.

I do show up from time to time.
I didnt set up recording. but i do have multiple accounts to numerous cyberlocker websites. so i'll just grab of those links. and re-upload the episode there.
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Post more bear facts.
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>>77582472
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>>77582460
Thanks. But I noticed that Madridista already uploaded it. I accidentally didn't have the thread on auto-update.
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>>77582398
grizzlies like it pretty cold too, plus he could be overcompensating, or just gotten used to it (in the same way grizz has gotten used to NOT hibernating)
but yeah at this point the only thing we have to suggest he isn't an icebear is his facial profile. still, it makes sense to me that he isnt
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>>77582516
>Reflection from the snow
swing and a miss
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>>77582782

2cute4me
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I guess we're reverting back to Weekly Wednesday threads once this thread dies, right?
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>>77582849
Please no.
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>>77582472
Have fun applying these to the brothers.

Polar bears:
- Thickest fur of all bears
- Live to 25 in the wild
- Hair isn't white. They're all clear, hollow tubes
- Give off almost no heat
- 70 percent of babies don't live to 3
- May be just as smart as some apes

Grizzlys:
- Have a muscular hump on their backs
- Can be up to 8 feet tall standing on their back feet
- Male grizzlys are typically solitary animals who enjoy being on their own.
- Cubs are better at climbing trees; it's harder once they grow up more and grow claws
- Have perfect eyesight and a sense of smell better than a hound dog's.
- Live up to 30 years in the wild

Pandas:
- Only about 1000 of them survive in the wild
- Pandas are shy and don't venture where people are
- Have enlarged wrist bones that act like thumbs
- Have to eat 28 lbs of bamboo a day to be satisfied
- Panda moms usually only care for one cub at a time and will leave the other to die
- Usually around 4 to 5 feet tall
- Dislike being around other pandas and have a heightened sense of smell just so they can tell where others are and avoid them.
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>>77582877
since when are any carnivores even remotely that smart?
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>>77582782
>Just you, me and Panpan's waifu
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>>77582877
Grizz being insecure about his hump when?
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>>77580872
>"Hey, uh, Grizz? Is the wash don.."
>Panda stops in his tracks as he stares at Grizz, masturbating over the pillow case with his dick in hand
>"MIIKIII-CHHHAAANNN"
>Grizz orgasms inside of the pillow case before falling over and falling asleep, covered in his own juices
>Panda just stares distraught at his fallen brother before his other one comes in
>"Ice Bear finds this hot"
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>Panda hovering over the teen romance section
>Panda wearing a scarf
>Panda
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>>77583118
That boy ain't right, I tell ya what.
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Not the best episode but it has a nice ending. Panda wasn't nearly protective enough of his hug pillow. They missed a huge opportunity with that one, but Panda still managed to nap the title of the biggest weeb in cartoons despite that. In fact, that whole scene being on the promo kind of killed a little bit of enjoyment of the episode because that was the best part.
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>>77583118
>awkwardly shuffles away the moment girls enter
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>>77582876
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>>77583258
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>>77583286
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>>77582849
I'm going to cry, this place makes me smile
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>>77583118
>>77583153
>>77583236
He's gay right?

What will happen once all that anime shit makes him into incest?
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>>77583334
Well he's clearly interested in girls, so he's bi at the least
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full image http://webarebears.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=2064
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>>77582877
> Panda moms usually only care for one cub at a time and will leave the other to die
poor panpan
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>>77583387
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Important Question: Did Grizz get fat/gain weight during this episode?
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>>77583513
How would you even be able to tell?
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>>77582877
>Best bear, Ice Bear
>Gives off no heat
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>>77583513
Only more squat, no rolls.
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>>77583334
He's a massive dork is all.
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Guess this is the last episode before we get more bears, huh?
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>>77583553

But anon that's even better, he'll cuddle up to you to get warm.
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>>77583553
They give off some, just not a lot. They keep their warm to themselves.
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So is Grizz fat now? Will he lose all the weight? How does he do it?
>>77583387
This went 0 to 100.
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>>77578933
well, first american cartoon maybe
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>>77583628
I think it's a good end to the half-season. Satisfying but not something that demands an immediate follow-up.
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Oh man, missed the first showing but at least I'm catching the second.
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This show is too Californian for me. I'm out.
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Where did that shed even come from?
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>>77583819
What show is this and why couldn't they hire a better artist to make a generic anime waifu?
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>>77583513
Why?
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>>77583951
Yeah I haven't noticed it this whole time. Did it really just pop up for the episode?
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>>77584032
>>77583951
I think it's the same shed from Nom-Nom.
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Aw, Ice Bear resting his head on Grizz was adorable.
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>>77584027
Hey, quick question, where is that woman from?, wait let me guess Tazmania, right?
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>>77584087
Yep.
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>>77584083
Him showing affection like that is so rare I have to wonder if he just didn't do it because Grizz being fatter meant he was more comfortable to lean on. It's cute either way.
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pesky ads
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>>77584210
>mikewazowski.jpg
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Do you think Pan-pan is ever gonna get a Girl?
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I wanted to hear about Grizz's hormones.
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>>77583924
I don't mind cartoons set IRL but it consumes such a large part of the show it gets annoying. I preferred it as a vague city in California like in the comic/pilot.
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>>77583924
But that's why I like it though. I live in California, so some of the stuff seen in the show reflects life here, like the bobba tea. It makes the show extra comfy.
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>>77584731
>>77584709
>>77584692
>>77584680
>>77584661
please stop
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>>77584661
>>77584680
>>77584692
>>77584709
>>77584731
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>>77584727
Bubble tea is pretty popular in college towns in general. Same goes for Froyo and shit.
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>>77584903
I love me some boba tea, despite it hardly being tea at all.
When I get it, it's more like a juice. Is it like that where everyone else gets it?
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>>77584903
Froyo is eveywhere, but I first saw it when I went to a convention in California. My friends and said to each other that we should open up a self serve froyo place in our town and when we got back two had opened up. Bubble tea made its way there too.
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>>77584986
Chai tea and green tea can come in powder form and that's what bubble tea places use mostly. It's so good though.
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>>77585052
Oh, the places I go to have mango, kiwi, and other fruits. It's still delicious, but I wouldn't call it tea.
We also have a froyo place around here. They don't use mochi in their froyo though.
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>>77584903
Oh, I didn't know that. I haven't seen it anywhere else. Is it just starting to trend or has it been around for a while in your area?
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this show is too erotic
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>>77585206
I want to say that it's been a thing here for about eight years now.
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Completely forgot there was an episode today.
Here we go.
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Rewatched Hibernation, and for some reason, this one just hits close to home.

>Grizz feels singled out because there're special things about Panda and Ice Bear but he doesn't feel like that
>tries so hard to make himself look interesting and special so he doesn't feel left out

Somehow, I felt like Grizz in this episode.
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>>77584446
Same here. What the fuck was that even about? Was he going to talk about how his kind mate before hibernating so the cubs sort of pop out during the winter and nurse on their sleeping mothers?
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>>77585393
He just got a shitty book, there wasn't any books about Grizzlies there.
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>>77585393
Yeah, but in the end he had his friends to lean on and watch the stars.
You don't have that now, do you?
Neither do I. :(
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>>77585419
That makes me wonder, will a female bear ever be introduced?
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>>77585420
Are you posting from an iPhone? I noticed that they make proper nouns out of animal names because it thinks you're talking about the sports teams like the Bears and Cubs and Ravens. Shit sucks.
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>>77585481
Please no. Please let the patriarchy have just this one victory.
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>>77585512
No, i just felt the world grizzlies needed to be capitalized. I guess i'm too used to capitalizing Grizz.
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>>77585429
We can watch the stars tonight together, anon.
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>>77585429
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>>77585561
>Grizz clones himself so as not to feel left out.
It's Grizzlies time.
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>>77585622
>at first Grizz thinks it's great because he has someone he can bro out perfectly with
>they both start missing Ice and Pan
>fight over who gets them
>decide there can be only one
>ends in vore
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Which WBB episodes are your favorites so far?
http://strawpoll.me/6051194
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>>77585855
>Pilot episode isn't there
Okay... I'll just pick another
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>>77585909
same here. I chose Jean Jacket instead, though Panda's Date is a close second
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>>77585953
You could have chosen more than one episode.
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>>77585855
This seems pretty accurate so far. Of the episodes on the bottom, cupcake job is probably the best.

>>77585953
A fine choice.
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I thought it was implied if Grizzly fell asleep or went into actual Hibernation mode he'd hurt his brothers.

>He was talking about hormones and got cut off, like something not-family-friendly was about to be said that didn't involve anything sexual

>Book bear said "and we skip the yucky parts" like that being gruesome
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>>77586228
>Book bear said "and we skip the yucky parts" like that being gruesome
Pooping.
It's entirely skipped because they have a butt plug for the sleep.

...
Oh god, I just realized that the r34 would be entirely canon.
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>>77585979
well "favorite" implies one or a few above the rest. those are the only two that stick out (maybe also Emergency). Pilot is the best simply because it's the most cartoon-y and fun. the show now draws too much attention to the modern elements of its setting, not terribly creative
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GRIZZ
HORMONES
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>>77586228
>>77586274
I think "the yucky stuff" was referring to the entirety of winter. Considering that is what Grizz is skipping by hibernating.
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>>77586228
The yucky parts of the year. Winter is the worst part of the year in most places because food is harder to come by and it's easy to die if you don't have shelter and a few layers of fat saved up.
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Do people still ship these two together?
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>>77585393
>"5 months is a long time, man. You really think they'd stick around?"
>"They probably don't even want you back."
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>>77586432
Graft does
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>>77586432
I ship every combination, and this one falls in the middle for me.
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