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So would you say the book has been good since the reboot? I'm thinking of picking this up starting from Worlds Unite and then continuing from there.
>>77545080
This is a much better design for a Porcupine than old Archie.
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>>77545165
It's definitely picked itself up from then, I'd say. Though if you could, I'd start with Worlds Collide, as Worlds Unite was kind of a mess.
>>77545165
Fuck yes The fact they are still adapting unleashed, not rushing through the plot, is great. That was a main complaint about the Megaman book, that they just rushed each game.
>>77545222
Does Ian have to give every villain a sympathetic backstory?
>>77545165
Bad idea.
Start with #252 after Worlds Collide, you can even read Worlds Collide first, it's newcomer friendly as long as you have basic knowledge of video games.
Then read up until Worlds Unite and skip it. That's actually the thing that I would suggest you to skip. Personally, I thought it started out okay, but then it went to shit. Nose dive is ridiculous.
Don't forget about Sonic Universe. I don't think there ever was a bad Sonic Universe arc, even during Endangered Species it remained decent.
>>77545242
Only the female ones, it's traditional.
Though then again, isn't Conquering Storm just in it for power?
>>77545279
Anyone else really liking these "Letter from The Editor" bits.
>>77545279
>that fucking face in panel 3
>>77545280
Hopefully.
I mean really, if they give Breezie one too (I'm ignoring the orphan backstory she gave herself until we know for sure) I'm... well I'll be a bit irritated.
>>77545298
How long has this been going on? I already like this guy more than the last editor.
>>77545211
Unleashed is supposed to end pretty soon, actually.
>>77545321
And that's the issue.
>>77545320
I think they only started doing them again since the 277.
>>77545211
>they just rushed each game.
We got only adaptations of first three games, dammit.
>>77545314
From what people have gathered, Nepthys is actually a woman, and so far she tops the charts in terms of most menacing amongst the Egg bosses. Also, Thunderbolt isn't really sympathetic despite looking cuddly and having a crush on Eggman, and there's always Wendy Witchkart though she's not an original character.
All in all I think the deer are the token sympathetic villains thus far.
>>77545385
True, but we still haven't delved into their backstories yet.
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>>77545192
Wow, I'm dumb. I meant Collide, not Unite. For whatever reason, I thought, "well, Sonic and Mega Man work together, so it would be Unite first. Then, with all the characters from all over showing up in the next one, they would be 'colliding.'"
>>77545211
I'm used to getting occasionally shunned for my opinions (;__;), but Unleashed was easily my favourite of the more recent Sonic games I've played. So this is basically what I've always wanted. And StH is known for its large cast, something else that I like, so yeah.
>>77545326
Oh... well, 30+ issues is a good length for an adaptation to me. My only question is where would the book go from there? I should start reading this now.
Thanks for all the replies! I'm thinking of just sticking to StH and SU for now. So skipping Worlds Collide and Unite, and maybe after I've caught up, I'll check out Mega Man and work my way to the crossovers then.
>>77545370
Even still, the third game adaption was kind of rushed, and the second adaption was a bit weak. It really needed more time to be its own thing, I feel.
>Mega Man going on "hiatus"
It just isn't fair.
>>77545416
After catching up with Unleashed adaptation, I suggest you to catch up with Golden Age of Archie's Sonic.
Which is #172-200. That was the best this comic ever was, and now it's pretty much irrelevant, but it's still a fun read all the way through. Not that everything after is worse, but several issues started to be transparent, like Sonic being chained to New Mobotropolis, King Naugus arc taking its sweet fucking time and then Ken Penders happened.
Optional: start with #160, but up until #172 Ian was just cleaning up mess that was left by other writers. Requires some knowledge about Archie's Sonic, because Tommy the Turtles might be literally who to you, but I fucking hate him.
>>77545487
and it was just started to get good again,
Didn't the former editor for World Unite have a huge boner for Xander Payne and forced him into every panel of the comic?
>>77545497
Yeah, Scourge Era really was the best, pity he had to go.
>>77545582
Scourge and Shard. I miss those two the most.
>>77545606
Ian is a cheeky one, he's been hinting that he has plans for Shard for like two years now.
>>77545641
Shard can't come back. Ianretty much confirmed that at the beginning of the year.
>>77545713
Oh snap, really? Why is that?
>>77545753
Power Gem was created by Penders. The story that introduced the Mecha Sonic with it was done by Penders.
>>77545771
I am not sure if I want my waifu to be happy with someone or be happy that she'll remain pure forever.
>>77545819
I'd go with the whatever makes her happy route, but that's up to you how you feel.
>>77545819
Espio is clearly ready to go.
>>77545187
In case you guys forgot, here's what Penders thought, in a world where hedgehogs look like Sonic, a Porcupine should look like.
>>77545953
To be fair, that isn't really that far off from old style Sonic.
>>77545953
Later on under Flynn, this is the best they could do with that design.
...God Penders had no imagination whatsoever. Like all the Echnidnas were for the most part clones of Knuckles, only a handful were a color other than red, and they all had Knuckles's dreads with hair just kind of awkwardly growing from their forehead.
I've been thinking about getting into Archie's Sonic comics. There's a lot of stuff butI'm not sure if it's been rebooted or anything or what I probably should skip. I've heard some of the stuff is pretty terrible. But some of it seem to be pretty good too.
>>77546771
If you do, I say just go ahead and read them all. It's a lot to marathon through, but a lot of it really is "have to see to believe".
>>77546771
1-50 is decent. After that there's a large decline in quality. There's a few good parts in there, but majority is shit.
At 160, a new writer (and still current writer) takes over and immediately brings the quality back up.
At 252, the comic reboots basically, removing all characters and concepts that were tied to previous writers due to a lawsuit (and supposedly another one might occur).
My suggestion on where you should start solely depends on your commitment to it. Starting at 252 is the easiest. Starting from the beginning is a long painful, but more rewarding journey. The most recommended way to get into it that I've seen is to read from the beginning til you get tired of it, then skip to 160.
If you do decide to check out the pre-reboot stuff, the best advice I can give isdon't get too attached like I did.
>>77546771
Is this the official reading order? Or do I just start with the first issue from 1993?
Sonic Super Special #9 & Sonic Super Special #5 (tales of young Freedom Fighters)
Sonic mini series #0-3
Sonic monthly series #1-18
Sonic In Your Face
Sonic #19-24 & Princess Sally mini series #1-3
Sonic & Knuckles
Sonic #25-27
Sonic Triple Trouble
Sonic #28-29 & Tails mini series #1-3
Sonic #30 & Knuckles' Chaotix
Sonic #31-33
Super Sonic vs Hyper Knuckles
Sonic #34-36
Knuckles mini series #1-3
Sonic #37-39, Sonic & Knuckles Mecha Madness & Sonic #40
Sonic #41-42 & Sonic Quest #1-3
Sonic Live & Sonic Super Special #5 (modern Freedom Fighter story takes place between #38 and 47, just sticking it here)
Sonic #43-44 & Sonic 3-D Blast
Sonic #45-46
Sonic Super Special #1
Knuckles monthly series #1-3
Sonic #47-49 & Sonic Super Special #6 (#50 Director's Cut)
Sonic #51-52 & Knuckles #4-6
Sonic Super Special #2
Sonic #53-55 & Knuckles #7-9, leading to Sonic #56
Sonic Super Special #4 & Sonic Super Special #7
Knuckles #10-21 & Sonic #57-67, leading to Sonic #68
Sonic Super Special #8
Knuckles #22-28 & Sonic #69-71
Sabrina the Teenage Witch #28 & Sonic Super Special #10, #11 (Sally Story) & #12 (set between Sonic 71-72 and Knuckles 28-29)
Sonic #72-75 & Knuckles #29
Knuckles #30-32 & Sonic #76-77
Sonic Super Special #11 (Sally story took place before #72) & Sonic #78
Sonic #79-82, Sonic Super Special #13 & Sonic #83-84 (Sonic Adventure adaptation)
Sonic #85-87
Sonic Super special #14
Sonic #88-90
Sonic Super Special #15
Sonic #91-196 (#113 is an adaption of a Sat AM episode)
Sonic X #40 (last page) & Sonic Universe #1-4
Sonic #197-208 & Sonic Universe #5-12
Sonic #209, Sonic Universe #13-16 & Sonic #210
Sonic #211-212 & Sonic Free Comic Book Day 2010
Sonic #213-onward & Sonic Universe #17-onward as of 6/2010
>>77546931
Yeah I've heard Ian Flynn is supposed to be good. That's why I was wondering if I should just jump into his run directly.
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>>77546975
Thank you.
>>77546971
Jumping into the reboot run is easy. It's a mostly clean slate, with the only mess up I think it has for new readers is the memory thing they did.
Jumping into the pre-reboot run would be a bit more difficult. Ian loved taking the old stuff the comic did, even if it was shit, and make it work/turn it into gold. As such, you would need to know about some of these things. Reading from the beginning is the best way to know it, but there is a huge fucking wiki you can use to look up stuff you don't know.
>>77545242
Nah, just about half. Nepthyr's looking pretty straightforward as a villain.
>>77545487
Really, it didn't need more time. It needed to stop adapting the Wily Castles. They were story poison.
>>77547256
I hope so.
But even so, I just find this sort of stuff grating.
>>77547419
I think you're trying to find a pattern to get angry about when there isn't one. As others have mentioned, Wendy and Thunderbolt and Breezy are all not sympathetic. We have more straightforward evil or morally ambiguous female antagonists than we do sympathetic ones. Hell, Cassia and Clove aren't that different from Baron Beauregard's shtick or Bill Platypus'. There's no gender barrier to being evil or somewhat tragic.
>>77546931
>Starting from the beginning is a long painful, but more rewarding journey
>rewarding
Even googling wikia isn't fucking worth it. There's nothing rewarding about reading 160 issues of mediocre at best to abysmal shit shit.
Reading anything below 160 is a test, test to the autism.
>>77545133
That Egg Boss looks like a goddamn Maverick, i love it.
>>77545086
Hello traveling fish princess.
>>77547479
It's not a question of sympathy, it's a question of tragic pasts. We haven't seen T-Bolt's or Wendy's yet but Breezie clearly has had something go wrong (and that's ignoring her clearly false orphan backstory).
At any rate the whole 'I had no other choice' thing is just, eh.
>>77545080
I thought the mole was looking away out of shyness being in front of someone who he admires until >>77545101
>>77545242
I don't think this is a trend.
Most of the Egg Bosses are in it for themselves. Tundra was an asshole even before joining Eggman, Thunderbolt and Nepthyr are loyal to Eggman and we don't know what Conquering Storm's backstory is now. Phage is also pretty evil.
The only ones with sympathetic backstories so far are the deer sisters and Axel Buffalo (and that is not even much of a sympathetic backstory more than "I just don't wanna be roboticized.")
I think you may be jumping the gun a little bit.
>>77547753
We didn't know Conquering Storm's backstory before. She's just a ninja clan master who was forced into union by Iron Dominion.
>>77548253
Yeah, but it was the same motivation as Tundra in the new series. She's still a dick, just one that will change loyalty to whoever she thinks is strongest in the land.
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>>77545370
And Super Adventure Rockman, which is where Ra Moon came from.
This is great and Sonic Unleashed was one of my favorite games on the xbox 360, I wish they ported that to PC, gotta buy Lost World.
>>77545514
He did. He's gone now, though. Think he works at DC now.
And just to keep in mind, it wasn't directly his fault that Boom was cancelled and Mega Man was put on hiatus. The dropping sales were the reason they quickly started Worlds Unite in the first place.
So I was wondering: how exactly do you find where to read Sonic? Does Archie even sell trades? Or use Comixology?
>>77551271
Wait, never mind. I checked, and they DO use Comixology.
Time to wait for a sale.
>>77551271
Sonic Scanf and Tails.Kickass.net for reading.
>>77545402
Then why are you complaining?
Who are your favorite Sonic styles/artists? I really like Adam Bryce Thomas, Ben Bates and Patrick Spaziante for the Archie comic. Other than that I also like the Sonic CD anime and the OVA/movie. I also like classic game Sonic and Rush Adventure.
>>77553268
Just call it a hunch, especially in the case of Breezie and I'd bet there'd be something about Thunderbolt being bullied for her size.
Okay that's really stretching with the latter, really I just find this sort of frankly tepid attempt at making the character sympathetic a little mawkish.
>>77553437
>Who are your favorite Sonic styles/artists?
Diana Skelly and Ben Bates
>>77545080
>more oc's
that said that fennec is a qt
>>77545148
>I never asked for this
really ian?
>>77553437
Spaz is a great artist, but he's a bad comic penciller.
The "Genesis" issues with that Yeardley! did are an improvement over the Spaz ones
>>77554158
Don't worry they're justa bunch of traitorous villains
>>77554594
Didn't they already do that sort of thing with the last desert-based "Freedom Fighters"
>>77554935
Well yeah but they can't use those guys now.
>>77554935
Sand Blasters? Yeah but that was pre-reboot
>>77554960
I don't think these guys are going to do the Sand Blaster thing again
>>77545497
>Golden Age of Archie's Sonic.
>#172-200. That was the best this comic ever was
Nonsense. Have you read the Bollers and Gallagher stuff? I hate that people completely ignore the comics before Flynn came on board just because of Penders. He wasn't the only writer this comic had before Ian Flynn. The Karl Bollers and Mike Gallagher stuff blows everything Flynn has done out of the water.
>>77559455
this. If you think Ian Flynn is a good writer, you clearly haven't read many comics. He writes like a child on a sugar-rush. Cringe-inducing and unfunny.
>>77559586
While I don't hate his work, yeah Ian can be pretty cringey. He's better than Penders by a landslide, but calling his work the best of the Archie series is ridiculous. To be fair, most readers are probably too young to be familiar with the works of Gallagher or Bollers.
>>77559749
>While I don't hate his work
Actually, I take that back.... I hate SOME of his work.
Pic VERY VERY related.
>>77559785
>sonic's banana mouth
>>77553437
Tyson Hesse, Diana Skelly, and Ben Bates, however Evan Stanley, Tracy Yardley, Adam Bryce Thomas, and Jon Gray are also decent
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>>77545080
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>>77545298
This mole looks way too much like Rotor, body type and all.
>>77545641
>>77545713
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>>77545771
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>>77545862
well on the plus side the odds are pretty good that they'll just graft Shard's plot and role onto Gemerl, what we saw of him in the crossover already indicated that he has a similar personality to Shard
>>77567089
That's what I figured, but it just kinds of felt cheap.
>>77545050
>That Simpsons reference
Ian, you fucking nerd.
>>77545060
Who the fuck is that in the corner.
>>77554189
It's actually a phrase people used before that game, you know.
>>77570291
Considering it's from a character with forced augmentations, I think it's intentional.
>>77567089
As long as it's fun, I suppose.
I remember when mecha sonic fighting mecha knuckles was the coolest fucking shit
I miss those days
>>77567089
Nah, Shard's character is just close to Gemerl. The major difference is that Shard's major conflict really doesn't apply to Gemerl at all.
>>77554189
Ian didn't write it.
I made a redesign of Dr. Eggman/Robotnik for fun. Hope you guys don't mind me posting it here.
>>77573786
I also made a pass at human Sally if anyone wants me to scan the sketch.
They should have gone with Yuji Uekawa's left version that's closer to classic Sonic. Not that I hate the green eyes Sonic or anything.
>>77574295
Knock yourself out.
>>77553437
Gray, Bates, Hesse, Skelly. Not in that order.
>>77578564
It isn't much but this is what I've got so far.
