>"this character is bad because he isn't likable"
Are you talking about a villain or an antagonist? Then agreed, If not then you are a shitty person who wants to self insert.
>>77486083
a protagonist can also be unlikable but still a good character/entertaining.
>>77486003
Hey there Aaron
>>77486003
spongebob is bad because, rather than see him succeed or fail, I'd rather see him walk offscreen and let the other characters entertain me
>>77486083
>all non-antagonistic people must be likable
Nigga, this is true exactly never.
>>77486148
agreed
>>77486203
No one is talking about spongebob dumdshit
>>77486148
got any examples or has no one done it yet? I can't think of any
>>77487300
Alex from A Clockwork Orange. He's a complete monster and he knows it
>>77487300
Not /co/ but everyone on Arrested Development except the kids. It's easiest with comedies and protagonists that are actually the villains.
>>77487300
Peggy from KOTH.
I don't think that show has antagonists besides the people that Hank takes issue with.
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>>77487300
Not /co/ but LA Noire has the perfect example of a protagonist who is a complete piece of shit, but still entertaining.
>>77487521
>someone on /co/ finally admitting Peggy is entertaining despite being a horrible person
Holy shit, finally. It's like finding a mythical beast.
>>77487538
I never got Cole. On one hand, it seemed like all he wanted to do was be a good cop, on the other hand, he throws out stuff like 'you left-leaning parasite' despite being a fucking cop.It's still a good game, though.
>>77487915
The game takes place right at the start of the Cold War and there was a red scare in the 20s as well. This was also before the police started trying to get really professional so corruption was pretty common in LA. A cop like him wouldn't be so unrealistic.
>>77487915
You have to understand that they just got out of the war, lefties weren't very popular around that time.
>>77487915
It helped that he was less of a piece of shit than just about every other character. I mean all the other Marines form his past and the detectives he got partnered with, except the first one and the arson guy, were all awful people.
> Cole: The Japanese attacked us for a reason, it's important to understand your enemy if you're going to beat them
> Other Marines: You some kind of Jap loving America hater Cole?!
>>77487915
>on the other hand, he throws out stuff like 'you left-leaning parasite' despite being a fucking cop.
What's so odd about that? The right wing never has an issue with jobs paid for by taxpayers as long as you are something like a solider, cop or firefighter and not a bureaucrat or welfare babby
>>77487300
Humbert from Lolita is a classic one, but I'm guessing a lot of people here think he's likable.
>this cartoon is bad because it's mean-spirited
>>77487300
Not /co/ but this fucker right here
>>77487300
V from V for Vendetta. [/co/, not /tv/]
You might like him... you might not... but he's still entertaining.
>>77488005
True. I forget, was their a case involving the red scare?
>>77487300
protag from Enter NHK
Duckman
Captain Knuckles from Flapjack
MordeCUk and Rigbaby from regular show
>>77488133
I actually dont like torture porn cartoons where one person has a really shitty life and he never comes out on top.
I mean hell bendy from fosters home is a testament to this. NOBODY really tends to like shows like these.
I thinkLarsis a pretty entertaining character. Sure, he's a dick, but that's the point.
>>77487300
The main protagonist from Desert Punk is a complete piece of shit, but he's fucking funny.Guess what happens in the manga,
>>77487300
Mad Max is more or less an anti-hero who usually ends up doing heroic things because it directly benefits him or because he would die otherwise.
>>77487300
>Bojack Horseman.
I'm disappointed in you, /co/, for not already posting this.
>>77487300
Rorschach.
>>77488719
Rape probably
>>77487915
That was an interrogation, he'd be trying to rile the guy up and make him slip
>this character is bad because I can't self insert as him
>>77487521
>>77487631
Except that's bullshit, because her escapades are always more cringe worthy than anything else
>>77489277
>all shows must have self insert potential
>we must make as many changes to the source material as needed to facilitate these self inserts
>>77489132
Nah, hebecomes the antagonist, and the focus now is on the now grown up loli.
>>77489386
Nice to know someone else appreciates DP. I hope we get new chapters soon.
A character can be unlikeable and still be a well-written, believable character, but it's much, much harder.
You still need SOMETHING to get the audience invested in the story, and if the characters have zero redeeming qualities so the audience doesn't care about what happens to them, then it's almost impossible to get them to buy into what happens to the story as a whole.
Characters can be dicks. Characters can fuck up and make mistakes. But if that's ALL they do, then good luck getting anyone to actually enjoy the story.
>>77487300
Check out rusty brown
>>77486003
>>77488133
>>77489277
>>77489371
how hard can you project, the thread.
>>77487457
The kids on AD are pretty terrible too, especially in the most recent season.
>>77488133
Shit
>>77486203
shit
>>77486003
shit
>>77489277
shit
>>77489894
>>77490058
Nice samefag sir salty.
>>77490058
Hello Mr enter :)
>>77490102
>>77490235
I actually meant people who say that stuff are shit not the people who disagreed with it.
>>77487300
Zuko from avatar up until season 3. Pretty unlikeable as a person but still entertaining.
>>77486003
Huey from mgs is piece of shit but nobody will say he is bad character. He is not some cringe bad guy , he is legit piece of shit. Now think about this, skullface was not main bad guy but actualy huey is. it probaly kojima play switch and bait
>>77486003
>watching a show when you don't like the main character
/co/ logic.
>>77486003
A lot of complaints about Pearl come down to this, I'm not sure I like her, but she's a pretty fucking fantastic character honestly.
>>77490334
Zuko had enough sympathetic qualities from the beginning though, so I'm not sure if he counts.
>>77488203
Who doesn't like V?
I was sold the moment I got to that chapter which opened up with him playing the piano and singing juxtaposed with all the imagery of the eventsThis Vicious Cabaret!
>>77487300
from /a/, I can think of Revy. She's an asshole but she's explored a lot of times and benefits with other characters besides Rock. Otherwise, she's just a nihilist edge
>>77490820
But Op didn`t say just main character
>>77487300
It's easy to forget Strong Bad is supposed to be the bad guy when watching him fuck everyone else over is so goddamn funny. He's written so goddamn well for a complete piece of shit.
Though I suppose they sprinkle in the occasional "nice" moment that helps humanize him a bit.
>>77488133
There's a difference between using conflict to drive humor and using conflict AS humor.
>>77487300
The entire cast of Its Always Sunny
>the art is -supposed- to look bad.
>>77488719
>>77493326
>>77487411
Those are likable, just not in a traditional "good person" way
>>77487300
Princess Bubblegum. Even tough /co/ think she is a bitch for being "mean"or morally ambiguous, those are things that a prince must do to protect his domain and keep his power.
>>77493519
I don't know, Alex just seems to be an unlikable guy because of how he works before he got incarcerated and tortured (with consent).
>>77488133
A show that once was not mean spirited and then becomes mean spirited is a legitimate complaint
Disliking something inherently because it's mean spirited is up for debate, what really matters is the execution
>>77487300
tv, but a good example.
Walter White becomes a complete piece of shit as the show progresses, but people still wanted to watch him and even see him come out on top. It's not about being likable, it's about being compelling and interesting.
You can have a scumbag protagonist, or a jerk, or an idiot, and it can work so long as there's something to get the audience invested.
>>77489742
>Characters can be dicks. Characters can fuck up and make mistakes. But if that's ALL they do, then good luck getting anyone to actually enjoy the story.
Exactly.
This is my problem with people who say Korra is just "flawed". She's nothing but her flaws and never really grows too far beyond that. Worse, no matter how times she loses, the end of season victories are basically handed to her and the show makes a point to have almost everyone cheer her on.
>>77487300
Archer.
>>77490875
I think the issue is less that Pearl is unlikable and more that it's sort of devolved into the same "MUH ROSE" thing over and over again.
>>77493068
he was a fire facist
>>77493930
>every day im going to say homoerotic shit about your mother and disrespect your father and you can't say anything about it because muh feelings
>Character is a walking plot device only used to cause drama and nothing more
>"You're just a baby who can't handle conflict"
>>77493564
>princess
>he
>>77487300
ARCHIE
>>77487300
Robin from TTG is unlikeable like the rest of the characters in that show but he's the most entertaining.
>>77496073
To be fair that anon did switch from princess to prince in the last half of that sentence. Still dumb, but eh.
every time
>>77487300
I'm honestly shocked at all these replies, and not one person mentioned Cartman.
>>77496916
Nice
>>77493464
I think that The Unfunnies would be a bit more tolerable if it didn't have that bullshit artstyle.
>>77486003
>the status quo is always a bad thing.
>>77499482
What's great about Cartman is he's entirely self-serving and is the perfect foil for a lot of stories. He's entertaining simply cause of the bizarre lengths he will go to achieve his goals. It's made even funnier since Cartman is a child. It also helps that he gets his comeuppance once in a while
>>77487300
Henry Hill in Goodfellas is probably the perfect example.
>The characters are based off of real people from the creator's childhood.
>>77501676
Why is this bad?
>continuity makes a show good
>>77486148
That's not usually what people mean when they say someone isn't likable.
>>77486003
If the character was any good we would like them. No one likes bad characters, that's exactly why they're unlikable. This has nothing to do with how moral their actions are. There are heroic and noble characters who are unlikable.
>>77486003
>the creator hates his parents.
Jesus Christ get some therapy....FUCK.
>>77487300
Frank Underwood
>>77504856
Actually, Willis only got problem with his mother, he is okay with his father and his step-mother.
>>77503701
It doesn't by itself, but a show with continuity would be better than otherwise equal show without continuity
>>77486003
>This character is bad because he is unlikeable, and it's obvious the writters wanted the audience to like him.
There.
>>77505662
Or maybe they just made an annoying character that was supposed to be unlikable but they're also uninteresting shitty characters.
>>77505482
>equal
>better than
Makes no sense
>>77487300
Cotton is a deplorable father and husband, but damn if he isn't funny. Also Buck Strickland.
>>77490058
Get the fuck out of here mrenter.
>>77486148
But when someone entertains you, you automatically like him to some degree?
Are we talking good/bad in the sense of morality or well written/badly written?
Cause if a character isn't liked by anyone in the audience, then yeah, he's most probably badly written.
>>77505827
>not loving the shit out of Cotton
Is you a Nazee? I knows this website is run by tojos.
>>77487300
Carl Brutananadilewski
