I don't know why I'm still doing this, this isn't worth the effort it takes to not pay Willis
>>77467654
Maybe we should stop making these threads.
>>77467654
Good Lord, her dad's such an irredeemable dick.
>>77467654
Seems like girls got daddy issues. Probably wants subconsciously to fuck dad.
>>77467859
Just like all dads!
>>77467879
Don't we all wanted to fuck our dads?
who gives a shit
>>77467654
Y'know considering everything else she could've said or what people were thinking she'd say in this strip...this is surprisingly mature for her.
>>77467918
Not all dads. Just this one. He blames Becky for destroying his family when in reality he did it all himself all because he's a closed-minded asshole.
I don't feel sorry for him at all.
>>77468037
Of course it is. Despite it being completely inconsistent with her character, she has to do the wise, mature thing at the end, while the eeeevil man whose daughter ran away from home has a cruel black heart and is totally irredeemable. Because there being some kind of actual gray area is something Willis did away with years ago. He does strawmen and only strawmen.
>>77467750
Willis pls go
>>77467879
Willis has parent issues and is passing it off into his comic without really coming to terms with whatever he experienced
Wow, I actually felt it was going sort of alright.
And then that last panel happened.
Lawdy.
>>77467654
>Look at me, Hector
>>77469062
Agreed.
I think if you keep the last panel but just cut out the text and leave the dad silent it's miles better.
>>77469062
Willis doesn't want the dad to be 3 dimensional. Any hint of that was by accident. Becky can be the better person, but he has to be an irredemable fuck with nothing more complicated then that about him. He must be, he's a fundie parent.
Man he's trying his hardest to make this guy as unlikeable as possible to further his "fuck parents" agenda.
so what's up with redhead's mom?
We're going to keep on doing these aren't we? Willis is going full Lifetime Movie Villain mode, 4ch posting the new comics with each update, and then acting surprised that his hype train just keeps building more and more steam?
>>77469265
>>Agenda.
I mean. Dude clearly doesn't like parents, but does that make it an agenda?
If I say I like chunky peanut butter more than smooth, does that mean I have a "fuck smooth peanut butter agenda"?
>>77469296
dead
>>77469351
But smooth peanut butter is so much better.
>>77469351
No, that's a point of view.
An agenda is if you wrote a book about how chunky peanut butter is evil and fucks you up and poisons every aspect of your being and gave many, many made-up examples of it ruining young people's lives.
>>77467654
It's truly amazing how completely incompetent Willis really is. Almost as if it's an artists' portrayal of ineptitude and sheer stupidity, but loses its value when you realize there is no meaning behind it.
There was a subplot many moons ago in Something Positive, where one of the support character's mom had a super freakout when her husband died, and she had to drop from college and her job to make sure she didn't kill herself. Once the mom recovered, she was all about praising Jesus for helping her overcome her trials... and not her daughter who had to put her life on hold to save her.
>>77467654
>>77469213
>>77469062
I just improved this comic twicefold
Where's my patreon money
>>77469420
Fuck, I mean smooth. Look, you get my point.
>>77469351
>but does that make it an agenda?
yes, when it's so relentless
>>77469462
Anon you deserve more than just patreon money, you deserve a fucking medalNot even sarcasm, get this man a medal
>>77469062
You do understand that irredeemable assholes exist in the real world, right? Not every villain is sympathetic. Some people are just mindless broken machines that hurt themselves and everyone around them. Like Willis, for example.
>>77469351
>If I say I like chunky peanut butter more than smooth, does that mean I have a "fuck smooth peanut butter agenda"?
At the very least it means you're a fucking monster.
>>77467654
If her father really is this bad she should be extremely fucked up. No one can live with a parent like that and not come out extremely screwed up.
>>77469462
I wonder who he bases Toedad off of? I mean, even the most hardcore Catholic would surely have SOMEWHAT of a change of heart after a near-death experience and getting the hell beat out of him by a young woman. Is he trying to make a point?
>>77469666
Said satan
>>77469666
Smooth peanut butter confirmed for the devil's spread
True Jesus fans prefer chunky
a moment of silence for our would be hero
>>77469351
All I know is now I can't stop thinking about the Jim gaffigan peanut butter bit.
I sometimes sprinkle peanuts or chopped peanuts over smooth peanutbutter, but I'd never buy chunky.
>>77469613
Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean that such characters are interesting reads. With Willis' works in particular, it gets really apparent that such plots are the only ones he knows how to do.
It's why Amber, after years of fighting through her baggage in Shortpacked, gets a fresh new set of baggage in DoA. It's basically the only plot she has.
>>77469684
Oh, abused kids make it out of those sorts of parents all the time without being visibly screwed up. Of course, Willis hasn't done enough work on Joyce or Becky's backstory to justify that though
>>77469733
Willis's evil Christians are all protestant, I think.
>>77467859
So he's a full fledged DoA cast member then?
>>77467936
Obviously the OP and everyone replying.
Including you, since you had to come into this thread to make that statement
I've only been catching bits and pieces of this. Didn't he bring a loaded rifle to a college campus to kidnap his daughter.
How exactly did SHE destroy their family?
>>77470253
By becoming a lesbian. It's the most shocking and provocative thing a person can do in a setting where people come out of the closet every other week.
>>77470253
By being gay.
>>77470253
Because he is EEEVIIILLLLL MUAHAHAHAHA
>>77470253
God killed her mother as punishment for her gayness
>>77470253
he's not mentally well
her coming out 'destroyed the family' he's just trying to fix it
people like this exist, my own mother said if I was gay that I shouldn't include myself in her obituary so people wouldn't know
>>77469062
It was cliche as fuck.
>I don't hate you but I love you but I don't like you but you make me sad but I want you to be okay...
It's the exact same converstation that bad writers always have play out in these sorts of situations. If anything the last panel managed to save it with how blunt he was, rather than having him burst into tears and apologise as is normally the case.
>>77470337
I hate when that happens
I remember reading once Toedad is only a super christian lunatic because he found jesus after Becky's mom died. Any truth to that?
>>77469877
needs a MGSV edit
>>77467750
Maybe you should just hide them and participate in threads that DO interest you
>>77469110
Oh fuck you, you made me choke on a pretzel.
>>77468080
Go to bed, David. You have to get up early to not go to church
>>77471885
At first, I was talking to OP.
>>77469462
YOU SEE WILLIS!?
YOU SEE HOW FUCKING EASY IT IS!?!?!?
>>77467654
maybe the dumbing of age was inside of us all along
>>77468037
That part is surprising
What isn't is that 'LOL NO DAD IS STILL AN ASSHOLE!'
Lazy, lazy writing
Why does he have a Batman symbol pasted on his face?
>>77473193
He doesn't. That's his mustache.
Why is literally the only good thing Willis is currently doing is re-uploading 'It's walky'?
>>77469351
It is when you start writing peanut butter fanfiction and have all the smooth peanut butter be dicks.
http://walkypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Walkypedia_Wiki
Wow, there's actually a wiki.
>>77469613
1. It exists in the real world.
2. Therefore, if it's put into a story, that makes the story good.
Do you understand how this logic doesn't follow?
>>77467654
I can't be mad at this. I've met too many people who are actually like toedad to be get riled. Can we go back to over-the-top, out-of-place action?
>>77469733
>Catholic
Where do people get this idea that Catholics are extremists?
Crusades? Inquisition?
Nothing about contemporaneous church doctrine is over-the-edge.
Wait, I just realized something. Doesn't Sal and Walky have another brother? His name's like...Beef right? He's not black looking from what I remember, he has a different shade for his skin and everything. Wouldn't that completely destroy Willis' racist storyline?
>>77474161
This is an American board. Most Americans are Protestant. People tend to assume that whatever they are is the less hardcore or irrational group of people.
That's it.
>>77474161
As an athiest (tips fedora) australian the hate catholics get in american media always confuses me since they're basically the same thing as protestants.
>>77474262
There are some pretty crucial differences.
Remember - Protestants generally think of Catholics as corrupt and archaic due to the presence of unmasked ritual in their faith. The USA was founded by the most puritan, too-chaste-4-you Protestants of that time, who saw even their fellows as sinful.
>>77474168
Beef was only their sibling in the Walkyverse; DoA is a different continuity so Beef is just some random student who sometimes pops up in the background as a callback to Willis' older stuff.
>>77467654
Joke's on you: you're still obsessed with this comic because deep down you KNOW Willis is making you uncomfortable because he hits so close to home for you.
>>77474291
So... OP is a lesbian with daddy issues?
>>77467654
>to not pay Willis
You are giving him money, retard.
>>77474278
An important thing to remember whenever you hear that America was founded by the Puritans fleeing religious persecution...
...was that the 'persecution' was that they were being kept from persecuting everyone else as much as they wanted to. Kind of like some Christians in America these days, ironically enough.
>>77468133
>Of course it is. Despite it being completely inconsistent with her character
This is in no way inconstant, though.
>>77474312
Not exactly money. But definitely publicity.
It'll probably increase the amount of traffic his site gets. If only from newfags with a curiosity of what's going on.
>>77474312
Nope
He gets paid at the end of the month, all you have to do is withdraw before that
>>77474309
She's going to find some dude that looks just like her father but is kind and supportive. And she'll discover she's bisexual
>>77469062
That last panel is not a so uncommon reaction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1df_i26wh-w
>>77474326
Kind of invalidates her whole character arc anon.
>>77474291
Fuck off, Willis.
>>77468133
You know this is something that happens in real life. Not the car chase, but parents reacting like that to their kids coming out in the Christian Belt is relatively close.
>>77474317
That's not really ironic. That's exactly what you'd expect.
>>77469265
>>77469351
>>77469495
>hate parents agenda
>most of the parents in DoA are good
>just a few asshole parents
DUDE, DAVID WILLIS HATE PARENTS.
I am always surprised how people here are so biased about David Willis they will bend reality to find things to complain about.
>>77474342
Being disowned is not an uncommon occurrence. Maybe he'll do that towards the end of this.
>>77474342
Yeah, this.
This arc has been hilariously unrealistic in many MANY ways, but Toedad's response here is not one of them. I can't really get on the "all Christian characters in Willisverse are twisted monster strawmen and lack human traits!" wagon when one of his main fucking characters is the blue eyed fundamentalist chick. IIRC her parents were portrayed as pretty human too.
>>77474359
David Willis pretty definitely hates HIS parents.
But maybe not all parents, yeah.
>>77469462
>>77471933
>>77469733
>>77469546
Gee, I dunno, maybe things doesn't always turn for the better. Willis wanted to represent people from the christians belt who, even on their dying day, will still reject their gay childs.
It's not always an happy ending.
>Catholic
Christian belt People are protestant and think Catholicism is evil.
>>77469265
HOW DARE YOU MAKE THE VILLAIN VILLAINOUS!
>>77474331
>dat vid
fug
I'm glad my friend's coming out was relatively painless
>>77474369
>David Willis pretty definitely hates HIS parents.
Actually, he has an hard relationship with his mother, but he remain in quite good term with his father and his step mother.
>>77474168
>>77474281
Beef is not their actual sibling. In the Walkyverse, Beef and Sal got exchanged as newborn, so there is no genetic connection.
In the dumbingverse, there is no connection.
Also, the racism from the Walkerton parent stem from Sal's fiery attitude, which they unconsciously or subconsciously attributed to her black side instead of taking her attitude as an individual trait. It might have causes a vicious circle, making Sal and her relation with her parents worse and worse.
So, far, to back that up, beyond word of Willis, we have, in-story, a comment of Walky casually saying how he is beige and how she is black.
One thing is for sure, though, there was a clear favoritism for walky over Sal. You might argue that it's just favorite child case and Sal is seeing too much into this, but Walky was clearly treated better than Sal even as child.
>>77474467
There's favouritism because Walky behaves and Sal's a violent piece of shit. That's literally it. The fact the parents put up with Sal being a pain in the ass for so long shows they do actually love her despite her horrible character flaws.
>>77474512
>There's favouritism because Walky behaves and Sal's a violent piece of shit. That's literally it.
Not what we see in the Flashback.
Also, you don't start treating like shit a 5 year old because she missbehave.
Not to mention, she tired her best to be the perfect girl at Parent day and they were all over Walky, barely acknowledging her existence.
>>77474512
she robbed a store because her parents treated her like shit.
>>77474321
How so? So far her character consisted only of reminding everyone that she's a lesbian, talking about her hair and being a bitch to everyone but the person she crushed on (so Joyce and Dina).
Even fans hated her.
>tfw I want to try peanut butter, but I don't want to buy a whole jar and the people in my life who do enjoy only buy chunky
>>77474074
Of course there's a wiki. There's a wiki for EVERYTHING. Hell, sometime's there's two wikis for something, because why not?
>>77474365
Joyce is portrayed as incredibly naive, and her Christianity mostly serves to piss people off as they roll their eyes at the silly Christian
>>77474542
The flashback was fucking nothing. It was a split-second of misbehaving and the parents acted normally. They didn't treat her especially badly on parents day either, Sal was just massively projecting, and frankly they're justified because she's a violent antisocial loser.
>>77474545
Because she's a violent and unfriendly kid that blames genetics for her own unpopularity with her parents, instead of all the shit she pulls.
Sal's the worst kind of person, she doesn't take responsibility for her actions at all.
>>77474558
The only character fans of Willis actually hates is Danny, he is always at the very bottom of popularity polls.
Why do you think Willis made him bisexual all of a sudden? Did you think that was a natural progression of his character?
Hell no. Bi Danny=Popular Danny
>>77469351
>Amber dad (that's a well established thing though)
>Joyce parents being so repressive their son became a girl or something
>Dorothy parents talked down to by her because "she wants to be more"
Then there's Sal and Walkys parents. Everyone thought that it was just Sal making some retarded excuse for being a shit, but then Willis gets annoyed at people making a logical conclusion and goes "Nope. Walkys whiter. Racist parents".
Literally the only good parents are Mikes.
>>77474579
Okay, DoA fans that I know personally hate Becky. Mostly because of her "have I reminded you that I am a lesbian today" thing.
>>77474558
She was clearly established at the beginning of the comic. and she had just come out, of course this is going to take a big part of her life.
From what we have seen she has been on quite the roller Coaster ride, emotionally, and she is stating to cool down, now.
> being a bitch to everyone
Uh? She has been a bitch to no one.
>>77474597
>Uh? She has been a bitch to no one.
Except Ethan and Dorothy; those are the ones I've seen. Basically she looked very jealous of Joyce's friends for some reason.
Really, she does not look like a person anyone would want to hang out with.
>>77474578
>They didn't treat her especially badly on parents day either
What the fuck? They treated her as if she didn't exist.
>Because she's a violent and unfriendly kid that blames genetics for her own unpopularity with her parents
Except she doesn't. Most recent strip with amazi-girl clearly show she takes responsibility for what she has done.
>>77474596
oh no, I agree with you man. Becky is nothing but a one note character that revolves around saying how gay she is.
I just mentioned Danny because it's hilarious to me that Willis' oldest created character is the least liked and all he knows to do is to make him gay. Which he can't because he made that porn comic with him and lard ass and those fucking things are canon in his mind. So the next step up is Bisexual.
>>77474074
Walky's narcissism truly knows no bounds
>>77474616
She just had a few words with Dorothy because she brought alcohol. And she was just confuse about Ethan because she had misunderstood what was going on between him and Joyce.
She act like a bitch to the people she consider might harm Joyce. Even if she has some lack of judgement, that's not a trait, that would make you despite a person.
>>77474626
>and all he knows to do is to make him gay. Which he can't because he made that porn comic with him and lard ass and those fucking things are canon in his mind. So the next step up is Bisexual.
Or maybe Willis made him Bisexual from the start.
>>77474630
There is wiki for everything. Nothing new, here.
>>77474645
Willis made him bisexual....back in 1996?
>>77474626
>Becky is nothing but a one note character that revolves around saying how gay she is.
Isn't she acting like lot of people who have just came out?
>>77474619
>What the fuck? They treated her as if she didn't exist
No, she comes in, dad talks to her normally, mother is busy lecturing walky because walky did something stupid, then Sal runs off like a coward. That's it.
>>77474657
No, he made him Bisexual in 2010, when he started Dumbing of Age.
But he never intended to make him gay.
>>77474669
This is not what happened at all.
Sal come in, Ho hello Sal, then it's all about Walky, how he is doing, oh you have a girlfriend? how is your studying going?
She was treated as a commodity.
Not to mention, they are also awful with Walky, ignoring his personal choice and trying to hardline his study path. Who care what he want to do?
>>77474676
So what you're saying is a character he's written for almost 2 decades, Danny, once every other story was written about him Willis decided to write him as bisexual as a cheap way to introduce some sort of conflict with him?
Instead of just making a new character and having him take on the sexual identity.
Yeah that sounds like you're agreeing with me.
>>77474657
good point. Bisexuals hadn't been invented yet.
>>77474331
Fake and gay
>>77474700
proof?
>>77474373
>Willis wanted to represent people from the christians belt who, even on their dying day, will still reject their gay childs.
Aounds like my kinda people
>>77474689
DoA Danny isn't the same Danny as Walkyverse Danny.
He decided to make him bisexual because that's what he wanted and found it would be interesting for the character.
Damn, when Willis at some point revealed that Walkyverse Billie was Bisexual, no one was complaining about it.
>>77474687
None of your projection is valid because Sal ran the fuck out five seconds after entering. You want to see them as racist because the author said so, but there's nothing in the conversation or their behaviour that specifically excludes Sal. It's all in her head.
>>77474689
You are acting as if creating an alternate bisexual version of a character is a bad thing.
>>77474726
Well that also has issues honestly. Ruth is fucking nuts and alcoholic and forces herself on Billie at the beginning. That's just weird abuse bullshit that is going over Willis' head
>>77474655
While that is true, This wiki was still created by him for the express purpose of his documented attention whoring
>>77474741
>>77474732
>You want to see them as racist because the author said so,
I don't. In-story, we have so far nothing really conclusive, this is an arc that it still going on. But we have nothing either proving Sal is wrong either. We'll have to see some more flashback to see what is going on.
But from what we have already, it's clear Walky is being treated better than Sal.
>>77474753
It was created because it was requested.
>>77474749
I was talking about Walkyverse Billie. Almost a decade ago, he revealed she had got a thing with Ruth before dating danny. No one complained.
Also, willis has made a clear point that Ruthand Billie's relationship isn't not very healthy.
>>77474760
What's funny.
I mean, how is that different than alternate reality with evil self, or alternate reality with gender swapper self.
>>77474762
>But from what we have already, it's clear Walky is being treated better than Sal.
Because he's not a shit.
>>77474700
The fisticuffs de,omstrated the son was holding the camera. This means the parents knew he was recording the conversation.
Logic would dictate that if this was real, the parents would NOT want this abuse to go online and therefore would have appropriated the camcorder, at least long enough delete the footage
>>77474777
suuuuure it was
>>77474810
It's a cellphone camera and it's not being pointed toward a specific target. They don't know it's on, and the cell is hold in the hand casually. The mom didn't knew it was on.
>>77474566
>Joyce is portrayed as incredibly naive, and her Christianity mostly serves to piss people off as they roll their eyes at the silly Christian
But she and her family are portrayed as sympathetic human beings with nuance and personality. Which is a lot better than what fundies get in most media.
I'm not going to rag on Willis for criticizing fundamentalist Christians. Fundamentalist Christians deserve to be criticized. He's demonstrated that he can make them actual characters, though. Probably his best developed character is one.
DoA is silly due to its intermittent trips to insane wow that got real far too quick drama land. Not for criticizing people with stupid views.
>>77474823
Yes. It was done at the time where the wiki encoding was new and everything was getting its own wiki.
It kind of died less than a year later.
>>77474839
They literally dragged Joyce away from her roommate because said roommate was atheist. I'm pretty sure there was a strip where they then made her pray for her roommate's soul, or for Joyce's soul for fraternising with an atheist, I can't remember.
Hell, in IW! they forced Joyce and Walky into Joyce's old room and told them not to come out until they'd produced an heir.
Do you think Willis gets annoyed that people liked Joyce and Mike even though he tried to portray them as the worst characters for the first few years.
Awful lot of Willis Internet Defense Force up in here.
I told you guys to stop having these threads or people would start unironically liking this Garfield-tier trash.
>>77474946
>Hell, in IW! they forced Joyce and Walky into Joyce's old room and told them not to come out until they'd produced an heir.
Yeah, but that was mostly played for fun.
They also kept a kamasutra by the bed, showing that although religious, they were also very kinky.
In DoA they're just asshole fundies.
>>77474946
...That's pretty normal fundie behavior dude. In fact, that's MILD fundie behavior. See >>77474331
and the like. Their beliefs are terrible and are treated as terrible, but they're still presented as human beings with redeeming qualities. I'm actually surprised this, of all things, is one of the things /co/ gets flustered over, as IMO Willis' portrayal of fundies is probably the only notably good thing about his writing. Everything else is just eh.
Never read IW and don't care to.
>>77474946
Yes, all of that happened, because this is an actual regular thing in the Christian Belt.
But in the end, they were respectful of Joyce's decision. Their final decision to respect Joyce is actually what matter.
>>77474987
>Willis' portrayal of fundies is probably the only notably good thing about his writing.
Toedad is not good writing. Toedad is a cartoonish villain. He might as well be drawing twirling his mustache and stroking a white cat.
>>77467918
Lol holy fuck , did you dye your hair blue or red? Let me guess you painted your fingernails black?
>>77467918
sorry you have a terrible father, anon. that is a sad thing that I am not afflicted with. git rekt bitch
>>77474957
I don't think that was his intend and I am sure he appreciate that his protagonists are liked.
>>77474969
People are allowed to disagree, you know. Just because it doesn't go with the main flow of the thread doesn't mean it's an organized response.
I have been on 4chan since 2008 and have always liked Willis's work. It's still hasn't changed even if this isn't the case of most of /co/
Lol I'm sorry but does everyone on /co/ have daddy issues or something? That's sad t.bh f.am.
#blacklivesmatter
>>77474969
I'm just amazed that this comic can have people actually getting all apologist on religious fundamentalists' part. There's basically nothing notable about the strip whatsoever. It engages with no particularly interesting or particularly scathing issues. Yet somehow, it manages to incur enough hate that people with get in this thread and pretend that portraying Christian fundies as biased and hateful is inaccurate.
Is this something held over from his previous comics? It must be, because there is nothing controversial or even very interesting about Dumbing.
>>77475001
I think the car chase and gun this is hilariously stupid.
But are there parents that will disown their children over stuff like this? Parents that will enter full denial? Parents that will hurt their kids?
Yeah of fucking course there are. Turning the issue into a trite, boring action scene probably full of Batman references is stupid, but people like this exist.
>>77474987
>>77474994
>>77475047
see >>77474106
>>77475026
We're frustrated by the fact that Toedad had decent characterisation by ACCIDENT. Willis used to be able to write in shades of grey, but now it's nothing but black & white. We're not being "apologists" for anybody, we just want Willis to stop being shit.
>>77475081
Or maybe, he's just representing the fact that some people are just plain more accepting than others. Blue eyes' parents were able to see a bit of reason, and were trusting enough of their daughter to be swayed by her. Toedad isn't. It happens.
I see nothing wrong with Toedad other than the retarded car chase thing.
And the fact that he looks like a fucking toe. I have no idea how Willis missed that.
>>77475117
>I see nothing wrong with Toedad other than the retarded car chase thing.
He's a projection of Willis' parental issues. Not a character. A strawman he can tear down.
I'm not denying there aren't people like him, but knowing Willis' history it's easy to realize that this is very much about his own life and, probably, an over-the-top portrayal of it.
>>77475081
To be fair, there actually is nothing wrong with deciding to have a character be of a certain race simply for variety's sake. If that was wrong, all characters would be amorphous grey blobs.
It's making a character's race the sum of that character that is generally a mistake.
Who the fuck even is Malaya, by the way?
>>77475147
Malaya's just a minority mouth piece, like every other character. Different colored masks that Willis can put on and pretend like his own myopic world views are shared by brown people.
>>77475140
Big whoop. We draw from life when we write, or draw, or sing.
Alan Moore disagreed with fascism when he wrote V for Vendetta. Adam Susan is based on real fascists and racists, but he's not a strawman, because he's a pretty good portrayal of such people. He's also not being used to vilify an existing person, which is what the strawman argument tactic actually entails.
>>77474331
Jesus christ the lisp on that guy.
Bet he's as much of an annoying twerp as he sounds like.
For me the problem with the arc is the execution and the implications.
When Becky's dad locates her and he pulls out a gun, nobody sees this and calls the cops.
Okay.
Then Dina fights this crazy man with a gun yet instead of using his gun to hold Dina hostage and blackmail Becky, Becky's dad doesn't. He lets Dina go without a scratch on her which is really weird because he's apparently irrational and waving a weapon around. Why did he spare her? What was his thought process? Isn't that interesting? Does Toedad have no quarrel with Dina and doesn't want to hurt her? Why can't we get into that?
Then anyway he finds Becky and starts shooting in the air yet nobody in the apparently decently-populated area calls the cops until he forces Becky to come with him, which is okay I guess if we're going to believe that the cops are that slow to respond to crazy shit on campus.
The next thing though is that Amazi-girl is called in. There's literally no reason for anyone to chase after Becky, because the dad was already seen by multiple witnesses brandishing a gun and kidnapping a woman. All they'd need to do is let the police handle it, then Becky would be completely free to do what she wants while her father went to jail. You could argue that in the heat of the moment everyone forgot this plotpoint but I'd argue that the pacing and very calm tone of the parts of Toedad and Becky in their car completely remove the urgency.
Amazigirl pursues Becky and then you get an overly-long retarded comical chase scene that has nonsense physics and weird shit like Amazigirl slamming into a car windshield and having the driver speed up when any sane person would stop immediately. It's fucking dumb and goes on too long and while levity is useful in grim situations, in this case it just destroys any sense of danger and tension the comic had.
And then they have Amazigirl and Sal argue about shit but they're both horrible people so who cares.
It was dumb and too silly.
>>77474689
The issue with Danny being bi for me isn't that he is bi. It's that the person who happened to be his first crush just happened to be secretly attracted to guys
That's contrivance on the highest fucking level
>>77469462
You're a genious and it's not even sarcasm.
>>77475237
That's the thing with Willis; while some of the situations he comes up with for DoA might have a ring of truth about them, he drowns that out with melodramatic nonsense and characters with all the depth of a puddle
>>77475173
>He's also not being used to vilify an existing person, which is what the strawman argument tactic actually entails.
Are you implying Toedad isn't being used to vilify Walky's father?
I get that you want to defend him for...whatever reason...but don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.
>>77475026
As far as I can tell, Dave Willis is incapable of expressing himself in a non-twatty way. Because of this, he will always alienate people, since even if he's right, he's still a massive tool.
>>77475417
And to think that he hates Funky Winkerbean for being a soap opera in slow motion.
"Dumbing of Age" isterrorism in slow motion.
And about Joyce being the token 'good fundie', that doesn't really make a lot of sense, desu.
Literally the only decent person we know of from Joyce's past is Jocelyn (who has already gotten out of the fundie bubble and seen the outside world). Everybody else is an ultrafundie to the point of villainhood, or Becky. And we know that her parents were the kind that banned Pokemon and the like, so she didn't exactly have a lot of people outside her immediate social group to draw from. So why is she the only decent person when she's been locked in a religion filled with shitty people for 18 years?
>>77467859
"Parents are evil. They are the cause of all societal ills. We must find a final solution to the parental problem." - David "Walky" Willis
>>77468080
He's right. Being gay is a degenerate abnormality.
>>77469462
This is so much better, thanks.
>>77469226
>Willis doesn't want the dad to be 3 dimensional. Any hint of that was by accident.
Remember when someone tried pointing out to him that Ross seemed like an interesting multi-dimensional character and Willis responded by ranting that basically you're only supposed to see him as EVIL EVIL EVIL?
>>77470414
your mother doesn't mean that. Plus she'd be dead so you can write all about yourself being gay in her obituary.
>>77475832
I'd like a screencap of that.
I remember when someone pointed out that he behaves crazy and people jumped on them saying NO HE'S NOT MENTALLY ILL HE'S JUST AN ASSHOLE HOW DARE YOU IMPLY MENTALLY UNSTABLE PEOPLE COULD BE DANGEROUS
>>77474342
Have any of you that talk about the B belt actually live there?
I've travel there in many areas for work in over a decade and I can tell you it is nothing like its painted
>>77474359
>most of the parents in DoA are good
You want to provide some evidence of that, dude. Because apart from Dorothy's parents, who are basically caricatures of the sort of liberal ultra-permissive parents Willis wishes he had, I'm pretty sure every parent in this comic is either some sort of asshole or a feeble enabler of their asshole partner.
>>77475927
Well, Joe's dad is basically Joe with a beard. Unless Joe is supposed to be an asshole, I don't see much problem with him. Then again only thing we saw him do was get into Amber's mom's pants.
>>77475779
Becuase she's a self-insert of David Willis.
I'm not kidding, look it up.
>>77474074
If that covers all of his comics, it's hardly unreasonable. We're talking about literally tens of thousands of comics with dozens of characters and god knows how many plotlines.
>>77475954
Well, duh. That's the only kind of protagonist that he knows how to write.
I'm saying that there's no story reason for it being so. And if a story element doesn't make sense unless you know about the creator's personal history, then it has failed
>>77474074
Walks started that one and is the one that maintains it
I've tried posting notes were critique was made of certain stories/characters and it be deleted in less than an hour
>>77475992
Well it's not like it makes sense even if you know the creator's personal history.
>>77475946
Joe's dad is ambiguous. It's obvious that Willis doesn't approve of Joe's or his dad's womanising ways, but because he's not willing to make Joe a bad guy he's got to find ways to justify or downplay it. Frankly I don't know how their characters will play out, I just assume that it won't be good.
>>77476084
> "He keeps a “to-do” list where he ranks women on a scale of 1 to 10, which is super-charming, let me tell you, though thankfully he’s pretty big on consent."
Immature in every way except the one that would turn off his readers
>>77476155
Haven't read his porn, have you?
The characters are always reaffirming consent in every other panel.
Cause that's titillating.
>>77474994
>>77474987
>normal fundie behavior
>an actual thing in the bible belt
Lel k duders. I moved out of the Bible Belt because it was filled with ignorant shit, but in 22 years of being an atheist sexual deviant there I never saw anything remotely this extreme.
>>77475995
These sort of pet projects always end up as "no negativity allowed" circlejerks. See also: TV Tropes
>>77476188
Anectodal evidence vs anectodal evidence.
Hm.
>>77474373
>Gee, I dunno, maybe things doesn't always turn for the better. Willis wanted to represent people from the christians belt who, even on their dying day, will still reject their gay childs.
But that's fucking BORING!
I don't give two fucks about whatever stupid, half-baked sociopolitical message Willis is trying to shove down everybody's throats - what pisses me off is that he chose to write this entire fucking arc and this entire character in the most shitty, uninteresting, one-dimensional way he could have possibly written it.
There's no fucking drama here! Toedad shoes up, ticks all the boxes on the "what do I think of when I think of stereotypes of the Bible Belt" checklist one-by-one, there's a fucking random ass car chase, and now Toedad's going away, never to be heard from again.
There's a hundred more interesting ways this arc could have gone.
Instead, nobody fucking learned anything, nobody went through any character development, and the entire arc has ZERO lasting implications for the comic or any of the characters - which means that the ONLY fucking point of the last SIX WEEKS worth of updates was so Willis could do put his fucking hands on his hips and a smug fucking grin on his face and say "GEE! AREN'T CHRISTIANS JUST THE WORST!?"
THAT'S
FUCKING
BORING!!
I would find Toedad's actions more believable if he were Muslim.
>>77476346
Oh man, if he made a Muslim do that, tumblr would explode!
>>77476380The following is facetious and a poor attempt to lampoon some of the chuckle-heads trying to justify Willis' poor story telling abilities.
But it actually happens! There are actually people like that so it makes it 100% believable and a common occurrence!
>>77476346
liek OMG anon! dont be so intolrant! all muslims arnt lik tat u no!!
>>77476412
And actual gay people exist so having an entire cast that's 90% lesbians is equally plausible!
Man, I can't help but see this with that neckbrace.I need to figure out how to actually do proper lines.
>>77469462
It really highlights just how shitty Willis' writing is when even simple changes like that can dramatically improve the quality of the comic.
It's like removing words and panels from a Buckley.
>>77476501
BECKY! YOU HEF FEILED UNDERLAND!
>>77474380
A one-dimensional villain is boring. Also, it feels like a cheap target for the audience to spew their hate at and pat themselves on the back for.
I mean, they literally punched out the evil strawman.
>>77476328
But Anon, Joyce swore and Amazi-Girl was told off by Sal! That's what everyone wanted to see, right?
>>77476654
I wanted to see some decent drama. I wanted consequences.
>>77476501
NOW DAT'S A PROPA IRON GOB, WORTHY OF AN ORK BOSS
>>77474969
How dare you insult Garfield.
>>77476965
Ignore that anon, i heard he's bad news.
>>77467859
Perhaps the same could be said of all dads.
>>77475836
>My mom wanted everyone to know just how gay her son is,, yes i am a flamin faggot.
>>77474322
Which is ultimately the problem with all these threads. They generate more internet cred for Willis, and it's resulting in more troops being rallied to his Patreon. It's getting up to 6K now.
I guess the most grating thing is that there's some potential in his work and characters, but he's so immersed in internet culture now that its easier to just go the path of least resistance in all his writing.
>>77476346
>>77476380
I'm trying to remember if there's any Muslims in the strip, and the closest one is the Customer Service Girl Joyce was 'rude' to.
Willis could do another Leslie and do a hard sell with her as a big new character.
>>77475484
According to someone further up this thread Willis is on good terms with his dad.
That said, I have no idea of his genuine family situation, and can only go by what I see on the page.
>>77477688
You're really overestimating the impact.
Sure maybe he gets a little more hits from some guys that don't adblock, but "ooh I am on /co/, I see everybody hate on something, I should go give it monies on patreon" is ain't happenin. He's getting money from tumblrs and shit, not from us.
This thread is way bigger than it deserves to be.
>>77469462
someone tweet this at willis
maybe he'll block it
or give a reason for his crackpot strawmanning
>>77476501
I'm really bummed the warboss saga guy stopped dong these. It got harder to make orky so I understand, but damn if that wasn't the most entertaining part of these threads.
>>77475204
>nobody sees this and calls the cops.
>nobody in the apparently decently-populated area calls the cops until he forces Becky to come with him
It does take some time for the police to show up.
>>77475901
>Being this thick.
A lot of people here are outwardly polite but extremely prejudiced.
>>77477753
Her name shall be "musi Lim".or she could be a trap called Ali Akbar
>>77478485
Her name's Asma, IIRC
If she knew her father would hate her for being gay, why did she choose to initiate a relationship anyway?
>>77474839
>fundamentalist christians deserve to be criticized
For what? Because they have more children on average and thus a higher percentage of gays are born to them and thus have a higher chance of being able to tell a tiny minority that gay is not okay?
>>77474373
The only reason anyone thinks hating your kid for being gay is bad is because everyone is raised to be a pussy nowadays
>>77472146
9/10
What the hell did Willis' dad DO to him?
>>77474317
>...was that the 'persecution' was that they were being kept from persecuting everyone else as much as they wanted to. Kind of like some Christians in America these days, ironically enough.
Which Christians are persecuting who? Can you name any?
>>77478263
On a college campus, there's bound to be cops all over and ready to respond asap.
>>77469440
Why does the daughter feel entitled to her mother's thanks?
>>77478701
You would think so, but that's not the case. Though if staff were allowed to CC on campus shit like this and all the recent school shootings would get stopped much sooner and would result in far less fatalities.
>>77478676
He told him masturbation was evil
Then he gave his son a handjob and made him do the same for him, because it isn't incest and your can't be gay with your father and it isn't masturbation so it's okay
>>77478746
>in far fewer fatalities
Fixed that for you
>>77478746
Speak for yourself, UD is crawling with cops, same with every other campus I've visited.
Especially in the middle of the day, when thousands of kids are crossing the streets to get to class. You have to control the flow of traffic. They go to Iowa University or so, not really a small school, so it'd probably be the case there, too.
>>77478762
I am willing to believe this unquestioningly.
>>77478610
Because they're hateful assholes.
They're also prone to believing dumb things. At this point, anyone who genuinely believes evolution is evil devil science with 'hurr missing links' is kidding themselves.
>>77476501
>How could you do this to me? How am I supposed to help Skeletor take over Eternia in this condition?
>>77474373
but it IS her fault
>>77469062
I think it would have been better if he said
>you want your family!
>look at me you've destroyed your family
>>77475173
Alan Moore also wrote Susan as having valid points, and the opposite side as also being wrong.
>>77474830
Look, it clearly was staged. It's not real. People put shit like that up on Youtube all the time.
>>77474841
He's still the one who decided to put it up, though.
His past is littered with attention whoring and self-aggrandizement. His comics, his social media, his postings on usenet and the Allspark. Even inflcting his humor and opinions in the TF Wiki. It's ALL about him. It never HASN'T been about him
>>77475001
>Toedad
Quit calling him that. Geez it's annoying
>>77475047
>But are there parents that will disown their children over stuff like this?
You betcha! My kinda folks
>>77475081
If a Pinoy chick approaches you on social media or a dating site and acts interested in you, DON'T GO FOR IT
>>77475173
>We draw from life when we write, or draw, or sing
And most people are capable of doing a good job of it.
That still doesn't make Walky's attempts at it good though
>>77475484
I think he's targeting the overall group his dad belongs to, but not his dad specifically
>>77483079
Stifle it, Willis.
>>77483343
Actually, I'm more likely to get that kinda shit from Eastern European women; Polish, Russian, etc.
>>77475181
Gays by definition are insufferable
>>77476965
>Liking a Gazorpazorpfield ripoff
Anon shut the fuck up and get me my fucking enchilladas
>>77469613
Willis didn't have to up and have the dad reconcile, but the silence was far more poignant because we weren't sure WHAT he was thinking.
>>77476305
>can't unsee the Muppet Within
>>77474373
>It's not always an happy ending.
If he wanted a Bad Ending that was plausible he should've cut the storyline at the point where Toedad drives off with Becky and Joyce swears.
>>77467936
I can't tell if this image is meant to be insulting to girls who say they're not like other girls, or insulting to people who say girls who say they're not like other girls are all the same
>>77485222
The first one.
![f27[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/vk1psqS.png "f27[1].png")
>>77485288
it doesn't do a very good job then, they don't have enough features in common
>>77483622
Not him, numbnuts
>>77485587
The joke isthat all girls say that they are unlike "other girls".
