Will the sun ever shine again?
Not for another three or four years when all this shit blows over.
>>77329075
I just want you to know that the sky turning black doesn't mean the sun won't return.
>>77329262
I think that's an optimistic figure
>>77329075
another salty-ass whiteboy, crying that the whole world isn't trying to write stories about his whiteboy point-of-view
get over yourself, nobody feels sorry for you
>>77329371
or maybe he's trans you hetero normative shitlord
>>77329075
Go kill yourself you redneck. Most people are excited for this
It was best of times, it was the blorst of times.
>>77329075
https://youtu.be/Y6GNEEi7x4c
>>77329075
>not "most progressive"
DROPPED
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>>77329075
honestly I don't read the avengers now so I don't think much will change for me.
>>77329075
Still missing a tranny.
WHERE'S THE TRANNIES
Excluding Vision it's the adults I hate on this team not the kids.
>>77329638
in cars where they belog
>>77329638
Vision clearly I mean he identifies as being a human while being born in the body of an android.
>>77329638
>Thinking Tony will be Iron Man for much longer.
>>77329075
Why, when he became worthy again in the last minutes of 616, is Odinson still unworthy of the hammer in ANAD?
Seems like he got shafted in the "rebirth" of the universe. I bet he and Cyclops have a lot to talk about.
There's like 5 other avenger titles.
Why is everyone so buttblasted by this? Just don't pick it up.
>>77329869
You mean the other one with Asian Hulk?
>>77329075
I don't get it, what's so bad about this lineu-
>filename
>>77329869
Uncanny Avengers got weird and Inhuman-y.
>>77330145
That's a strange way to spell 'shit'.
>>77329075
How is it dark?
Is it just because a few characters are dark-skinned?
Also this book is way above that shitty New Avengers and Uncanny Avengers bullshit.
I hope New Avengers gets shot in the kneecaps soon, it's boring.
>>77330191
Aside from the art, what did you not like about it?
>>77329769
We still have at least 3-4 years before Arno takes over as Iron Man.
>>77329833
He might not still be unworthy. It could be that he found out it's Jane and doesn't want Mjolnir back knowing that if he takes it back, she'd die from cancer.
>>77330296
Different anon but the art was great.
>>77330004
Chulk isn't on any of the Avengers teams.
>>77330290
>How is it dark?
OP is a racist, so it's a depressing nightmare reality for him when he sees minorities and women in the Avengers
Imagine, being triggered so easily
>>77329371
this
>>77330290
Ultimates still looks like the best Avengers book tbqh fame.
>>77329075
>>77329769
>>77329299
>>77330004
>Every single superhero has to be white like me
>>77330387
Yeah, how do racists manage in the real world? Do they just go into a depressive episode when they see someone with darker skin more successful than them? Does that mean they're always depressed?
>>77330862
Man, just leave it. They've been told they're faggots enough.
>>77329075
Congrats. You made me add it to my pull out of spite. I bet this was your plan.
>>77329075
W-well, I'm looking forward to it...
>>77330928
Honestly we just ignore it and don't care.
>>77330360
That I'd be okay with, actually.
You realize it's possible to hate this title and NOT have reasons related to race or genitalia right? I get that the OP intent was "them darkies" but to casually disregard any and all criticism of this title as "nuh uh, you racist" isn't much better.
I looked at the preview pages, read a few interviews with the creative and I have decided that I won't be buying. Here are a few reasons:
>Thor
She's a complete and utter rookie and she already talks down and judges the "kids." Miles experiance and tenure as a hero completely outclasses Thor and you could make the case that Nova has more experiance than her as well. Also, I'm still cold on the character because they spent so much time hiding who she was that they forgot to develop a character.
>Captain America
I don't mind Sam as Cap but I can't stand the way they're writing him. He is stepping into the biggest shoes in Marvel, literally all other heroes looked up to and respected Steve, most heroes were in awe of him. Anyone, regardless of experiance or confidence, should struggle to live up to the legacy. Sam is infallable and, worse, he already thinks he knows better than Steve. He is taking point and barking orders when he really should be working his way up the ladder. He's got decades of experiance but he was never a leader and he rarely faced any major threats.
>Iron Man
Theoretically, this is a good fit but between RDJ quip machine status quo and Bendis on the main title I have little faith in IM being anything more than wallpaper on this team.
>Vision
Great potential and always a welcome addition to any Avengers team. Hopefully he will be getting the spotlight in this title, no editorial strings (IM) and the veteran in this team.
>Nova, Marvel, Spidey
No, just no! The Avengers aren't always the most powerful team (Cap's Quartet, Black Knight-led jacketvengers, etc.) but the Avengers should never have kids on the team! Even worse Kamala and Miles are street-level and nova should be out in space.
>>77330004
Cho Hulk was such an obvious and expected choice that even /co/ wasn't mad about it.
>>77331549
Chill out son, it's Waid. It'll be okay
>>77331649
His JL was mostly average so i don't expect nothing great out of this anyway
>>77329473
time runs out hyperion >>>>>>>> ANAD hyperion
>>77331591
that's why they didn't put him in the avengers no one was mad about it anger sells.
>>77331549
Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver were teenagers when they joined.
>>77331549
Wanda and Pietro were the same age as the O5 X-men when they joined the avengers.
>Don't hit on me, you silly boys
>>77330862
How about having the creativity to come up with original, interesting characters that happen to be black or female rather than lazily making derivatives of white heroes?
>>77329869
>>77329371
Shut up nigger! First you ruin my neighborhood now my comics! Take your fat white gf and gtfo!
why can't we have a comic about time runs out hyperion and odinson
>>77331949
You sound like a racist.
>>77331949
Congratulations, I have a book you're sure to love. I mean, assuming you're not really just a racist.
tfw Sentry is still in space
tfw he can't be a mutant racist anymore because mutants are going extinct now
>>77332041
I thought static shock was DC
I'd rather have her than Black America.
>>77331676
>Iron Man has secret plans to take down the other Avengers!
>>77332061
avengers vs xmen fixed the extinction problem.
>>77332095
not secret but hulk buster,thor buster etc
>>77330862
I love Kamala, but it takes away from the "underdog" theme of her story by having her work with the people she looks up to so soon.
>>77332121
Blackbolt restarted it.
>>77332121
Nope, the Terrigen Mist is killing them now
The twins (Hawkeye too I think) were teenagers. Teens being avengers isn't new.
>>77331770
>>77331915
A few things to consider:
1. I don't believe they're ages were given when they debuted. They were never drawn young looking, I'd say it would be fair to say they were 18 or reasonably close to it. Sam is 15 and Kamala is 16.
2. They didn't have normal childhoods, they were raised in a magic community, bounced around foster homes, blessed by elder gods, traveled with gypsies, educated by the High Evolutionary, and recruited into a super villain team. My point being; they weren't average teen suburbanites. Aside from developing powers the teens on ANAD are basic bitches.
3. Kids in the sixties were different, they were independent. They took care of themselves. Millennials are the most helpless generation in history...and I say that despite the fact I'm supposedly one as well. (Technical starting point is '82 or some bullshit).
4. Marvel has changed the way they deal with teenage characters in general, they quite clearly established an age barrier to the main teams. The original X-Men were teens but by the time the New Mutants came along it was clear that they were not meant to face the big threats. Generation X, New X-Men, Young X-Men, Young Avengers, Avengers Academy, etc. just reinforced this barrier. Now they suddenly change their minds because they want to shoehorn their new snowflakes.
>>77332082
She's over in Spider-man 2099
>>77332665
If you are a millenial then you were around long enough to be able to tell that the millenials are the "most helpless generation in history" because they're the only one you're familiar with.
>>77331549
Sam isnt infallible in his book. He does think he knows better but who doesn't? If you thought you were wrong you wouldn't have that opinion.
We went from one of the most powerful group of avengers(yea most were never used)
To a group that has four heroes that are greener then goose shot
>>77332755
He defended criminals in his first book. How can he be Captain America if he is actively trying to destroy the country? He is a traitor to his country. I'll start buying CA books again once Steve puts a bullet in Sam's head.
>>77332781
>heroes
MIND MY PRONOUNS, SHITLORD!!!
Its "zeroes" you ignorant turd.
>>77332781
That's why they will dedicate themselves!
And you have Uncle Tony, Uncle Vision and Uncle Wilson to look after them and kiss at least one of them.
>>77332041
N-N-No, it doesn't count b-because there's no white man! It's still Tumblr, I WIN! HAHAHA!
>>77329769
Might Avengers already did a transgender Tony story. And it turned out to be even weirder than that.
>>77332041
>Black character
>Electric powers
Everyfuckingtime
>>77332781
Kid Avengers vs Justice Gods
>>77329869
/co/ is full of racists who get buttblasted the moment they see a nonwhite in a comic.
nevermind all the white characters that are still greatly important, their persecution complex makes sure that they remain buttblasted.
>>77333039
>I don't know what I'm talking about, please shit on my face
Everyfuckingtime
>>77329473
Is that the Blur from Supreme Power? Cool.
>>77333023
I need deets on that
>>77332041
Im surprised lazy ass hoodie space lesbian isn't on this team too. She'd be a much more PC choice then Nova.
why does the race of a character matter besides consistency i.e peter parker is white in his debut so hes white in ever publication since
>>77333087
I'm ok with other races becoming heroes,but were are other races exactly ,when they have a diverse character its either a black man or white women.Where are the asain female heroes or the middle eastern male heroes
>>77332665
>Millennials are the most helpless generation in history...and I say that despite the fact I'm supposedly one as well.
>mindlessly swallowing baby boomer bullshit about our generation
kek
>>77331649
>Chill out son, it's Waid. It'll be okay
>>77333168
doing math and fighting for oil respectively
>>77332865
I wish the "you're one of those" iron man hadn't been posted already.
Besides Steve was there to arrest the SOS anyway.
>>77333168
>asian female
Jubilee has been around for a while. Psylocke too (though shes actually white lmao).
>>77332865
Trump go daydream about BUILD WALL somewhere else.
>>77333246
But who else?
>>77333168
Silk. I can't think of any Muslim male heroes but I don't claim to be that knowledgeable about more obscure heroes.
>>77331549
>nova should be out in space.
Anyone who's in space automatically becomes Bendis puppet. That's why Ryan and Slott took the first chance they got to put their cosmic heroes on Earth.
![Mighty_Avengers[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rjyQlTS.jpg "Mighty_Avengers[1].jpg")
>>77333132
>mighty avengers fight mole man
>tony starts acting weird
>transforms into a naked ultron copy of janet van dyne
Fun times. Actually no, it wasn't that fun. Bendispeak was at an all time high for the beginning of this series.
>>77333290
Josiah is Muslim.
>>77333392
Really? That's interesting.
He's not Arab though.
>>77333372
>Sentry
>Wonder Man
>Ares
Tony you show off.
>>77332734
I only said that I am a millennial according to the strictest definition but I think the ever widening definition is flat out wrong.
I've seen articles claiming everyone born from '82 to '00 are millenials...fuck that! I was born in 1984, somebody born in '99 (when I was roughly 16) is my supposed generational peer? I don't think so.
The vast increase in home/personal computers, advent of cell phones, ubiquitous online social interaction, etc. completely changed society. Somebody born in the 80's had a much different childhood than someone born in the 90's.
My first cell phone was given to me in senior year of High School my little brother (now 17) got his in kindergarten.
I know millenials are useless because I watched half of my supposed peers develop an entire culture around being offended and getting good boy points for tendies.
>>77333500
Islam is a religion dude.
Got to be more specific.
Most IRL Muslims I met are black and south Asian.
>>77333538
>I-I'm a millenial but I'm not like all those other millenials! They should change the definition to accommodate me
>le wrong generation
Sure, bud. Sure.
>>7333333
can't wait
>>77333567
Yeah I was unclear. The guy was asking for middle eastern heroes and my brain automatically thought 'Muslim'. So I guess I'm the racist.
>>77333301
Cosmic heroes on earth are BORING!
Silver Surfer was dull as dog shit when he was trapped on earth, original Nova was dreadful on earth, Thor is hit and miss (much better in fantasy realms or cosmic space adventures), Quasar was a nobody until he took to the spaceways.
Sam in space is worth the Bendis risk because he'll be in his element.
>>77333538
>I'm not like them! I'm unique!!!
You sure seem to fit in with this generation's special snowflake obsession.
>>77333742
Arabian Knight?
I was born 1989 and fucking hate my generation. I hate their minimalism, their ability to be offended by the most harmless of things, their laziness, their accepting of shitty jobs instead of taking some initiative about their passions. I genuinely fear for the world when they take control..
>>77333776
Not like there's much to lose with Sam anyways
What are the best ANAD books?
-Ms Marvel
-Ant Man
-Vision
-Karnak
-Deadpool
>>77329473
See this: Squadron Supreme.
Our new home. A phantom of our former selves.
>>77333649
>>77333814
That's cute, the way you disregard the point I was making and put words in my mouth.
I don't think I'm unique in the slightest, most people born in the 80's seems to have had somewhat similar childhood experiances and some common ground on attitudes toward issues and expectations.
Also, we seem to share a sense of disconnect with people born in the mid to late 90's.
Carry on with your strawman and your flippant attitudes though, it's fun to watch you struggle.
Nope. We're all doomed
>>77333372
It was such a spectacular idea with amazing Cho art that was just completely annihilated by not only Bendis-speak, but his newly acquired Bendis-thought bubbles. It was just a whole other level of stupid.
>>77331991
>>77332041
>it's racist to want originality in comics
I know you're joking, but this really is the kind of strawman that I keep seeing thrown around.
>>77334404
>best
>ANAD
pick one
>>77335130
you seriously are expecting originality from Marvel of all companies? Originality that sells? Originality that sticks?
>>77335018
Those DC ones are just bait. The Trinity stuff is just a temporary storyline. Hal is still around and Baz is nowhere to be seen. Power Girl isn't black now that's just some girl who took her name, Karen is still around. Ditzy Starfire is great. Old Batgirl was shit too, I don't even care. The only ones that are truly awful is anything associated with Earth 2 currently, hopefully Abnett can fix that mess. Marvel can go eat a giant bag of black dicks, even though they'd probably like it.
>>77333776
>Silver Surfer was dull as dog shit when he was trapped on earth,\
>Surfer soliloquies about Man and his foolishness
>dull
Fight me irl FAGGOT
>>77335150
Vision is better than every DC book aside from Omega Men and maybe even Grayson.
Thats pretty good.
>>77335018
>Simon Baz as main GL in 2015
>BlackWally as main Flash in 2015
>Pepper as Iron Man in 2015
>Miles as a full-on Peter replacement
>Black Power Girl as a full-on replacement for Kara
>Very-gay looking picture of Bobby followed by a reveal that he is gay
>Kamala considered to be a move in the wrong direction
>Oh no, Starfire getting a new costume
>>77329371
Actual black anon.
This is the worst line up in the last 30 years, and the creative team suck.
Marvel is pandering hard.
>>77335431
All aboard the Tom King hype train.
>>77335664
Actual black anon.
Racism is ok with me guys :^).
>>77335664
Hey a Heroes Reborn fan! What makes that era Avengers better than this one?
>>77335664
>This is the worst line up in the last 30 years
So then read a book about your favorite guy instead
>>77332082
>scolds Herc for hitting on a woman and asks him what his father would say
I'd rather just have cap and his legacy 300000000 ft. under
>>77335664
In 4chan If you are black you never say you are black
That's like a woman saying she's really a woman. Only men pretend to be women here. The real ones just shut up and shitpost like everyone else.
>>77329371
>placing shitty kids on a team with adults
>that faggot Miles and Ms. Marvel actually doing anything noteworthy to be considered a candidate for the Avengers
>allowing emotionless pedophile robot on a team with children
>>77330862
>Every single superhero has to be black like me.
>>77332061
You mean that Sentry can't be a mutant racist anymore because he is dead as shit.
>>77335929
>So then read a book about your favorite guy instead
I would, but they turned them all into other races or genders.
>>77330862
>I need to racebend characters because minorities aren't smart enough to make their own and just go gib me dat
Well it has always been the White Man's burden to provide for you subhumans so I guess we can spare a few.
>>77332041
I actually do like that book. Ult. Reed under Ewing isn't looking that great though.
>>77332997
Make sure to post it on Tumblr so you can feel like your life isn't absolutely worthless
>>77335797
Calm down nigger
>>77336565
>>placing shitty kids on a team with adults
>>that faggot Miles and Ms. Marvel actually doing anything noteworthy to be considered a candidate for the Avengers
Didn't you even read the preview? That's what it was about. They were shitty kids and they fucked up their mission because they weren't seasoned vets like Cap and Iron Man. It's about them learning to do better, because they ARE shitty
I don't even mind the lineup (much, miles is shitty and forcing him here doesn't help).
I read that fcbd preview and wasn't into it.
The Visions was so good i don't care how much shit marvel keeps pushing as long as they don't touch that book.
>>77335664
Not even half as bad as the Jacket Avengers
>>77335664
Of course. I mean, Mark Waid has NEVER written anything worth reading, right?
And my god, this lineup?
So much worse than anything Avengers related ever published, amirite?
Bob Harras
Heroes Reborn
Chuck Austen
Anything with Rage
All amazing in comparison with this book that hasn't even hit the shelves yet. You're a genius, Anon.
>>77329075
Only problem here is She-Thor.
>>77335018
This must be the first time someone's complained about gay Alan Scott in a while. People mostly shut up when the book was good and Alan was still a good character.
>>77333189
but we are... everyone spends it's godgiven time getting offended over bullshit and safe spaces because we are a generation of overprotected fucks
ITT: Idiots who get triggered so easily by OPs low quality bait.
>>77342624
>>77342624
I don't know whether to puke or facepalm
>>77335018
Fuck this board
>>77329075
Good. If it wasn't for dipshits like you, wanting your comics to be about shit nerds you can relate too kicking asses of their bullies and fucking hot biches, if it wasn't for you people wanting more of the same old shit over just because it's "iconic" and "nostalgic", if it wasn't for you wanting every story to somehow have an impact and changing everything forever, if it wasn't for you wanting death and gore to feel like you are reading adult stuff for adults by adults...then I would never have to suffer through watching Dennis Hopeless destroy Runaways and Avengers Academy. AND YOU ALL JUST LAUGHED AT ME AND OTHER FANS BECAUSE FOR YOU IF IT DOESN'T SELL 100k A MONTH THEN IT'S WORTHLESS!
I hope SJWs will eat and destroy everything you love, just like you destroyed what I love. You fucking deserve it!
>>77343164
Minorufag?
>>77329075
>most dedicated
>more than Steve Rogers and Peter Parker
So long as Kamala remains good I'll keep reading.
>>77343164
Berserker Toad?
>>77342624
>a-na-da
I knew those syrup drinking fucks were behind this
>>77335018
>>77342936
If you're actually upset by half these changes. Just quit.
>>77329769
Because of RDJ Iron Man is going to forever be a white guy.
Everyone else can get gender or racebend.
>>77329262
More like a decade or at least until someone topples Alonso from the EiC position his reign has been horribad so far.
>>77335018
damn it Comics why do you make /pol/ look sane?
>>77329075
So they're really sticking with femthor and not even gonna bother cleaning up that not worthy whisper and the cancer bitch somehow being able to sneak out of asgard to grab the hammer?
>>77332947
They will kiss Kamala and Miles because they are sweet PoC brown wunderkind and tumblr darlings.
Sam will get fists on his face and put on wall building, no one gives a shit about Hispanics and Latinos and has light skin privilege.
>>77342624
Are they aping that new 52 Justice League image? Even the background is similar. Marvel is sure fucking original.
>>77344505
Didn't they say it's retconned in Thor giving her hammer because he's impressed with her bravery?
Well if white boys actually bought comics instead of pirating them Marvel would cater to you, rather than the women & minorities racking up (digital) sales of Kamala and Co. It's simple economics.
I like half of the characters on this team but man, Marvel and tumblr are making me feel like I'm the oppressed party for being a straight white male
>>77333301
Pity. I'd take Bendis' Surfer over Slott's.
You heard me.
>>77335018
Hey, fuck you.
Jimbats is great and the best thing Snyder has done with Batman after Black Mirror.
>>77330326
I like You
>>77332065
That's the old, black, former captain marvel.
Goes by the name of Spectrum nowadays, or Monicca
Wait, people actually like Whor?
>>77344729
Surfer? He surfs? People do that?
>>77329371
Actual gay anon. Marvel has completely and totally turned me off of reading their comics with this ploy. They're so out of ideas that they have to just shoe horn minorities into existing characters. It's pretty sad.
>>77344780
Whor has pretty solid sales. If you pirate comics you can't complain. You literally have no right. Marvel are a commercial company at the end of the day publishing funny magazines. Not a charity or government department. If you're not paying for their product you can't complain it doesn't cater to you.
I thought the '/co/ is overrun by tumblretes' meme was just that. Apparently there are people here who are actually defending turning white male superheroes to minorities for the sake of being progressive, instead of just using some of their actual minority heroes or coming up with new ones. For shame, /co/, for shame.
>>77344801
>Whor has pretty solid sales
No it doesn't
>>77344801
>You cant criticize something even if it's bad
>You must buy it to not like it
???
>>77344812
Do you understand how commerce works? If Marvel get better sales with diverse characters why exactly should they lose money publishing the same old ones you weren't buying anyway? Are you actually retarded?
>>77329869
Personally I don't want Kamala near the avengers because it kills her hype for being a fangirl.
Being the underdog fits her so much better.
>>77344831
>>77344801
>>77344629
Keep repeating the same argument without actually showing sales figures. I'm sure someone will buy it.
>>77344828
Don't buy it. Vote with your wallet. Buy a straight white male right wing superhero book from anothet publisher. If you never paid for comics in the first place then lel as what you say is meaningless.
>>77344818
So you're just going to come on the internet and lie? By issue 7 She was above 50,000. That's solid.
>>77344812
The way I look at it, Marvel is working as a containment for the tumblr crowd and that is keeping DC pure from SJW faggotry
>>77344842
>If it's not forcibly pandering to minorities it's white male right wing shit
Wow, tumblrites on full defense mode
You surely must be baiting
>>77344840
See this month's sales figures. Marvel totally owned the market. Kamala is outselling Superman. Fucking Squirrel Girl is outselling traditional white males superhero books. I'm not saying it's right but it's a commercial industry. If there's no money in straight white males superheroes people won't publish them. That's all my point is.
>>77344852
1) Because they released a shitload of variant covers of their second relaunch attempt sparking interest in #1s as people stupidly believe they will be collectible one day.
2) Sales are still down from last year.
>>77344848
>Something you have to choose to pay for
>Forcibly
Don't like it. Don't buy it. Don't cry about it like a little bitch. Go pay for books you do like. If enough of you do it publishers will make books for you.
>>77344859
If true over the long run Marvel will then start publishing books you like if they sell better. People don't run businesses to purposefully lose money no matter what /pol/tards think.
>>77344852
And a shitty point at that, did French Prince of Bell Air change their black actors to white actors after the success it had on TV? Did they change Lara Croft's gender just because the majority of gamers are male? Your fucking arguments are tumblr tier mate.
>>77344861
yeah sure sure, that strategy of whining and bitching that there isnt enough diversity and that women are too sexualized certainly worked for you SJWs
>>77344875
They would have retooled that show and those franchises if they found alternative approaches sold better. If stuff you like doesn't sell there's not much anyone can do to help you breh.
>>77344883
Given how that sales are solid and Marvel are making money from their new approaches to their classic characters, it's clearly working. I don't care one way or the other. I buy books I like and talk about them. Have you thought about doing the same?
>>77344892
>>77344899
>Sales are solid
>50k is good
Did you read that on tumblr?
>>77344837
Yeah, this. Her connections to Avengers and Inhumans are literally worst parts about her, why can't she be just Kamala?
>>77344629
is that skye?
>>77344899
I said its working as it manged to pressure them into pandering to you tumblrites, like how you whined and bitched
I said I only didn't like it, your argument is "YOU CANT DISLIKE IT IN ANY WAY IF YOU DIDN'T BUY IT BECAUSE YOU DIDNT LIKE IT."
>>77344892
You're making it seem like these new politically correct comics are breaking sales records never seen before. Truth is the sales they pull are pretty mediocre in comparison to other decades, they're pretty much piggy bagging on the movies' success, people don't buy them because they have african-mexicans transhorses asexualqueers with special snowflake syndrome.
>>77344869
People run the business they want. Marvel is also part of a larger company now which means they can take larger risks the company can eat for the creation of a niche market.
The problem with shitty supply-demand arguments like yours is that they ignore willingness to take on risk regardless of demand.
>defending Jewvel bullshit
>being a cuCk
Pick both senpai
>>77344928
It's what happens when socialists attempt to argue from capitalism. They can't decide if the issue is supply-demand or your taste as a plural "white man" group.
>White bois stop buying books and pirate them
>Comics companies notice sales dropping and books that appeal to minorities & women selling well still
>Make more books for minorities & women
>White bois cry and bitch
>All my kek
What did you sperglords think was going to happen?
>>77344976
I am not white.
>>77344976
Stop samefaggint your same arguments, this isn't what is happening. The sales figures of these new heroes are still mediocre. The movies are the ones boosting the sales, not the change in skin color.
>>77344976
You're so progressive. You reduce everyone just to their race and make personal judgments on them purely upon their race. Just rolling into the future there!
>>77333536
I know, right?
>>77335150
best =/= good, anon
It could just mean least bad.
>POC want to read books with heroes of color
>its seen as progressive
>women want to read more female heroes
>it's seen as progressive
>white people want to read white heroes
>they're evil and oppressing minorities
>>77345001
Then it will switch back eventually to the old heroes. It's not like this is the first time this has happened.
Iron Man used to be Rhodey. Thor used to be Eric Masterson. Cap was John Walker. Superman was dead. Batman was Azrael. Green Lantern became a supervillian.
Comic companies pull this wacky shit occasionally for a sales boosts from publicity and to shake things up. If it doesn't work eventually the status quo of the last 50 years returns. Quit being little bitches and acting like this doesn't happen every 15 years or so.
>>77345031
No one is saying that. We're saying buy books you like and companies will publish books for you. But at last count ANAD Marvel were beating traditional books in sales. If that changes I am sure you'll get traditional superhero books.
>Hey, our comics got a minuscule boost in sales, this has nothing to do with the movies, nu oh, it's because we're pandering to minorities now
>>77345031
You've had 7 decades all to yourself, senpai.
IT'S OUR HOUSE NOW
>>77345032
So you're moving the goalposts now? Did you finally realize how retarded your argument was? You still come off as an idiot to everyone else in this thread though.
>>77344899
Fucking this.
/co/ always keeps complaining about everything, acts like any kind of new material invalidates the old stuff and mostly doesn't even bother reading the comic before complaining.
Hell, their published sales numbers aren't even a good metric to judge overall sales by these days.
If you don't care for a book, ignore it. Simple as that.
You like a book, talk about what's and what's bad about it etc.
>>77344928
The point is that there is no point in complaining about everything you do not like as opposed to looking at the stuff you actually do like.
>>77344934
Or they buy them because they like the premise, the author or the characters.
I wouldn't buy anything to check a box on my diversity spreadsheet. But it is equally not a reason to not buy a book because someone has any given sexual preference, skin color, religion etc.
>>77344976
I am quite certain that the main buyers are still mostly white and /or male, if not quite as overwhelmingly.
They just buy stuff that is not about the same white, male straight heroes.
This is really a progressive/conservative split here.
Some welcome changes to the status quo, others oppose them.
Not to conflate this with political ideology, this is strictly about comics here.
One would have to poll pulling behavior to really find out who exactly is actually buying comics and break the numbers down by title.
>>77345031
If you hold the majority of heroes already, demanding more representation is naturally a dickish move.
Not to say that advocate race-switching but the introduction of heroes who are not white, male, heterosexual upper middle-class or stonking rich Americans to the canon is a trend I welcome.
It's just more stories to be told, more angles to see things from.
Provided the quality of the comics is good, naturally.
>>77345053
This logic is so retarded.
>You had decade to watch Incredible Hulk!
>You had decade to play MGS 3!
>You had decades to read Age of Apocalypse!
It doesn't fucking mean you are free to spoil shit.
>Spider-man still outsells all that shit
>For October, Iron-Man outsold all that shit
>MUH MOVIES
>MUH PANDERING
>>77345054
Why are you so mad exactly? Your favourite cartoon heroes don't look like you right now, so instead of getting on with your life you're bitching like a baby?
>>77345048
Yeah but that's not fair.
>black kid wants black heroes
>Marvel takes away white heroes to give them black heroes
>white kid wants white heroes
>"if you don't like it, don't buy it!"
>>77345087
>Quit being little bitches
>Why are you so mad
>White bois cry and bitch
>you're bitching like a baby
>You're the one moving goalposts, and strawmaning
This projection.
Also, I'm not even white or American, I'm Mexican.
>>77345091
If the minority hero sells better relative to the traditional approach in the current market, as a commercial organisation Marvel have little choice. Fairness has nothing to do with it.
>>77345082
You mean to tell me this is not in any way pandering?
>>77345115
>If the minority hero sells better relative to the traditional approach in the current market, as a commercial organisation Marvel have little choice.
This isn't happening at all. None of this comics are outselling the original ones in their prime, not even with the help of the movie, 50k in sales is completely mediocre.
>>77345113
So what exactly are you angry about? That you don't like the new approach Marvel are taking to your superheroes?
>>77345115
While Miles was better selling than any of the Ultimate shit at the time, he was selling shit compared to Ultimate Peter and those shit sells Miles had are built on Peter's legacy.
>>77345091
Okay, so show me where all the white heroes get taken away.
They're all still there. Especially in the movies.
And even where a a non-white character currently holds a title, you have more than enough white boys around.
Peter Parker is still there, as are Iron Man, Batman, Supes, Rightclops etc.
Even Logan, Thor Odinson and Steve Rogers are still in the comics.
>>77345128
Their prime was back when they weren't getting squashed by internet and TV alternatives as hard. Or books for that matter.
>>77345128
Marvel had like 60% of the market share this month. Kamala regulary beats fricking Superman in sales. No executive is going to look at those numbers and say yeah let's reverse this policy. If that ever changes I am sure they will.
>>77345143
Then why are they sticking around with Squirrel Girl?
Comics have a shrinking audience. Too much competition from video games, television, movies. Going after the same old market demographic won't work. It makes sense to try to grow the market by appealing to wider demographics especially with how big Marvel is in global pop culture. It's a pure business decision. If it works it works. If it doesn't it doesn't. If you're so sure it isn't working then what's there to be upset about? The status quo will return soon in that case.
>>77345136
But I don't want Logan, Thor or Steve around with other people wearing their mantle, I want them wearing their mantle
>>77345152
Possibly because it has mainly electronic sales which are far more profitable.
Or because the author and artist are cheap hires / bound by contract.
I am quite sure Marvel are not trying to ppush that shitstain out of political conviction.
>>77345152
I don't know. I don't work for Marvel. I don't know off the top of my head how Squirrel Girl is selling relative to the market. I have bought the book and enjoyed it however.
>>77345130
Still with the 'y u so mad tho' huh?
I don't care if Spiderman is black or Thor is a woman, I was just arguing your logic that if minorities are buying more hero comics than whites, which by the way you haven't presented a single source for that, then Marvel should be turning those heroes minorities too.
By that logic any and all female video game character should be turned into a man. or heroes like Wonder Woman or Jean Grey should've been made male at some point too.
>>77345178
>I have bought the book and enjoyed it however.
>>77345136
Falcon as Captain America is a completely different character as Steve Rogers as Captain America.
Your handweaving doesn't work that easily.
>>77345068
If you think it's being spoiled just because they're no longer the same color as you in decade number 8 that might be on you senpai. :^)
In the 90s people bitched that the edgy grim replacement heroes like War Machine, Thunderstrike, U.S. Agent, etc were going to take over. In the 00s everyone bitched the Ultimate universe would replace 616. Now you bitch at the diverse legacy characters taking over. Never change. Kek.
>>77345178
Me too, anon. Me too. :)
>>77345193
No, I meant this shit
>You've had 7 decades all to yourself
It's static a fact, not argument material.
>>77345197
Comics aren't even as good now on average as they were back in the 80s. And I say that as someone born in '91.
Why are people bitching hen they could just go back and read better iterations of these comics that DO feature white people in the starring role? It's not like Waidvengers would suddenly be a barnburner with Steve, Thor and Dick.
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>>77345053
How many of these posts were made by the same person I wonder?
>>77345183
Off the top if my head, Kamala sells far better than Carol ever did. ANAD Marvel dominated the sales charts against their competition. As Marvel exec that would mean more to me than some neckbeards crying they can't cosplay as some cartoon anymore.
Any franchise is any medium if the execs see it not doing as well against its competition will get retooled. And that's a fair business practice. And as a consumer it's your right to reject and not purchase the retooled product. See New Coke for where this can go wrong.
>>77345224
I would do that if Marvel actually gave a shit about reprinting old stuff like DC has lately
How many people are still buying the books despite being mad at Marvel? Out of curiosity.
>>77329075
>stopped buying Marvel/DC books years ago due to SJW influence and constant reboots
>occasionally think about picking up a few again
>see threads like this
>BACK INTO THE TRASH IT GOES
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>>77331991
The irony of these niggers, who want black characters in comics but lack the ambition and creativity to create some for themselves....
>please white man, make some black characters for me.
For fucks sake go hang yourselves you worthless coons.
>>77345260
They're buying books. Angry white bois aren't. Do you know how capitalism works son?
>>77345239
Has Marvel ever not dominated against their competition since the release of the movies?
>>77345257
This is the correct thing to do. Don't like the books. Don't buy them. Buy books you do want and get on social media (not 4chan) to demand books you will pay for.
>>77345271
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>>77345250
Remember where you are.
Half the people were never in a comic store.
I personally don't buy American comics because they are plain too expensive relative to novels or manga.
Right now I have a select few novels and several hundred manga volumes covering some of the best titles of the last decades.
Berserk,Basilisk, Buddha, Billy Bat, Black Lagoon, Battle Angel Alita, Blame!, Vagabond, Yotsuba& etc.
>>77345291
Marvel has dominated against their competition since the 70s. This isn't some new trend. DC would occasionally beat them out in the odd month here and there, but overall, Marvel's sales have been notably higher than DC's for decades, and none of the other publishes have come close to the Big 2 outside of Image in the 90s and 10s.
>>77345250
>still buying Marvel
>implying almost anyone on /co/ ever bought Marvel
>implying almost anyone on /co/ ever bought comics
>>77345271
Yes I do boy.
And there are a shitload of white male comic fans with disposable income (foreign concept to you pavement apes I know but hang in there with me) who have switched off purchasing comics for this very reason. I'm willing to purchase when storytelling is put ahead of racial and gender politics, Marvel clearly has lost it's way.
And how as a black person can you be happy with shoehorning in diversity for diversity's sake? Surely it is more offensive and insulting to have to be spoonfed like a fucking baby.
>>77345293
The sad thing is, comic books are a dying medium anyway. So, people like me fleeing comics because of feminist influence, endless reboots and non-stop events are only accelerating the death of the medium, because the climate is such that DC and Marvel are never going to start making books that aren't like that (in any appreciable amount anyway) ever again.
I know there's still indies and the other publishers, but it's not enough to prop up the whole medium.
There won't be comic books anymore in 50 years.
>>77345340
Yup that was my exact point. If you steal a product you have no consumer rights and there's no reason a company should listen to you.
>liberals will NEVER stop fucking up your hobbies
>>77345356
>And how as a black person can you be happy with shoehorning in diversity for diversity's sake? Surely it is more offensive and insulting to have to be spoonfed like a fucking baby.
By fundamentally disagreeing on the facts.
>>77345370
Even if you buy products you have no rights to have more of the same title produced to your liking.
>>77345235
Only the last one's mine.
Can't speak for the rest.
>>77345247
>buying them
>>77345360
There probablywon't be TV stations in 20.
And before that I believe the comic publishers will switch to electronic distribution and different release schedules, favoring more affordable schemes or subscription models.
