Genuine criticisms of korrasami
criticisms will be assembled and put onto a website.
>in b4 korrasami shippers
>in b4 shitposting
>Genuine criticisms
It's been a week, why would /co/ start now?
>>68265664
Why?
>>68265664
Still upset they made this instead of Aang the after story
>>68265664
>in b4 korrasami shippers
>in b4 shitposting
It's like you don't even WANT Korrathread #34434
>>68265673
because main stream media acquires our stuff and spins it for their own advantage
>>68265664
>Genuine criticisms
>Fictional Bi/Les couple
>>68265677
you and me both, it would have been cool to see animated shows rather than graphic novels of the original team avatar
>>68265683
>anonymous hackers spreads baseless libel
>>68265664
Are you retarded or something? I thought korrasami was asspull, but it's just a fucking cartoon.
>>68265683
I think you are taking this shit way too seriously.
But I've been saying this about LoK for a while now...
>>68265690
not even one criticism and this thread has gone to the dogs
well done ./co/mrades you /b/astards!
>>68265689
I never got the reason why they did korra instead of it I would have thought the nick of all companies would milk the cartoon
>>68265710
yes and no
people have been flicking their clit to the ending
it pisses me off
>>68265710
>>68265727
it is being hailed as a masterpiece
what fucking hacks!
never got around to watch the show since they decided to make it about another
>>68265683
The 'mainsteam' media doesn't need to spin anything, there are more than enough retards spouting shit.
There may be actual criticisms of korrasami but it will be lost in the mountain of crap by the (latent homosexual) /pol/, stormfront and gamergaters.
There's already a post ontumblrabout good /co/ criticism about why Korrasami doesn't work
>>68265728
If masturbation pisses you off, you're definitely taking this too seriously.
>>68265749
>it is being hailed as a masterpiece
Not really. There's 3 blog posts of notorious Korrafags and that's about it.
On the bright side because of the Korrasami debacle on /co/ it gave me the idea on how to overturn my pink slip and get a promotion at the same time
Thanks Korra
>>68265664
I totally expected Korrasami to happen, and it happened pretty much how I expected it to (not really how I wanted it to).
It's there, but it's put there in a way to be JUST NOT SPELLED OUT ENOUGH to let homophobes who like the show plug their ears and close their eyes and pretend it didn't happen, or pretend it's all in the minds of people who just WANT to see it.
Let's be dead honest here folks. This is twenty fucking fourteen, and they knew exactly what they were doing here. The reason it is not spelled out more blatantly is essentially to sidestep controversy and be able to play coy that 'what, you're offended by the last scene? But they're just friends going on a trip to the spirit world' and then 5 years later when no one gives a shit about it being 'current' anymore Bryke or someone is going to go 'yeah that was totally intentional, we always meant Korra to be bisexual' or something and since it'll just be some creator making a statement about a half-decade old tv show there won't be a huge backlash from shitheads like there would be if Nickelodeon greenlit an actual developed on screen relationship between two women that ended the series on a kiss.
It hurts the show, but they probably couldn't do it any other way.
>>68265809
How?
>>68265664
You realize you're playing against yourself?
You should make something for genuine criticism of the show in general, otherwise *of course* it's going to be spinned as homophobic, if you focus only on 15 seconds of lesbos holding hands because of "bad writing" when it's pretty much up to par with the writing on this show in general.
Basically if you complain about Korrasami because of bad writing, then complain about the show in general. Otherwise you're just complaining about it because it's not your OTP or because you didn't like *why* they did it, not how they did it. That or you don't like lesbos.
It's really stupid to focus on that part and then claim it's just about the bad writing. There's been bad writing at various points in this show and I didn't see you dedicate a website to those.
>>68265863
I my superior told me that he was going to fireme for always slaking on the computer while at work
played the he's doing this because he has homophobia card at HR and now he's under 2 months disciplinary probation and rumor has it that he's gonna quit next week and im the next line for his job
>>68265851
>he reason it is not spelled out more blatantly is essentially to sidestep controversy and be able to play coy that 'what, you're offended by the last scene? But they're just friends going on a trip to the spirit world' and then 5 years later when no one gives a shit about it being 'current' anymore Bryke or someone is going to go 'yeah that was totally intentional, we always meant Korra to be bisexual' or something
Both creators confirmed already anon.
I also think a kiss would have felt stunted, they're not there yet.
>>68265851
They've already made a statement that the scene was romantic.
>>68265891
You're a horrible person.
>>68265891
Did you have any proof?
>>68265909
survival of the fitest
>>68265916
told them that he was constantly shiting on me because i once told him that i was gay also told them that if they didnt do something then i'd go online or sue the company
Im not even gay kek
>>68265897
>>68265898
fair enough, but it's still not as matter-of-fact as Korra and Mako's relationship for the reasons I stated. It was basically done to keep shade from flying Nickelodeon's way.
>>68265926
>survival of the fitest
Pretty much the opposite of that, actually.
You're getting someone who's actually useful fired because you're a lazy bum. I hope it comes back to bite you in the ass when they realize they promoted an incompetent fake homo.
Your boss probably wont have any problems finding a new job, you, classified as an incompetent lazy liar, might struggle.
>I'm not even gay
No shit Sherlock.
>>68265926
>Im not even gay kek
You want to be labelled gay? What happens if you meet hot co-workers?
It's painfully obvious that it was done more as a social/political statement and less as something that actually made a lot of sense in the story. Asami was originally supposed to be a traitor, you know?
Throughout the series they were apparently too afraid to push for it, so the end result is that it's something very sudden in the end that doesn't make for a cohesive romantic plot.
And besides all that, even socially speaking, I think when you analyze it you'll realize it does more harm than good. There seem to be more meaningful lesbian couples in media than there are platonic female friends. It further skews public opinion in a stereotypical direction and just causes more problems. We've seen to have gotten to a point where we see romance and sex as the ultimate form of affection between two people and I think that's a primitive way to look at relationships.
>>68265897
>I also think a kiss would have felt stunted, they're not there yet.
well, yes, because they didn't show it.
The show would be better, as a show, if through the last season at least they showed and developed Korra and Asami's relationship as a thing that was happening, and led up to that moment.
>>68265948
>Your boss probably wont have any problems finding a new job
>reputation has already damaged by being a bigot and a homophobe
>formerly the life of the party now friends are already starting to treat him as an outcast
>he was also having some family troubles
>now even r9k would be more popular than him
I'll give him 3 weeks before he bites the bullet
>>68265954
>hot co-workers
never shit where you eat anon
Maybe more development throughout the story than a glance here or there.
>>68265957
>It further skews public opinion in a stereotypical direction and just causes more problems.
Speaking of this, I hated how it stereotypes Korra. I thought she was a great example of a female character who could be strong, hotheaded, capable and true to herself regardless of stereotypical perceptions of feminity without being instantly called a lesbian for that.
But we know how it ended.
>>68265964
>>68265977
What happens when they find out you're not gay?
>>68265981
ehh. That's kind of how I felt about Renee Montoya as well, but I don't know how well it holds up as an argument nowadays. There are positive female characters in fiction, the fact that there aren't as many of them as males doesn't mean there shouldn't be positive gay female characters while we build up a quota of straight ones.
>>68266006
I thought I saved the large version, now I don't even remember where I found it. Hm.
>>68266017
Presumably he intends to Chuck and Larry his way through life.
>>68265664
>Inconsequential one minute scene that changes nothing from before, displaces nothing important and was practically just thrown in
>four thousand post threads and at least one bump limit thread everyday since
???
The ending isn't any worse than the majority of Korra's writing. It's intended audience loved it, why the fuck would you give them the controversy they were looking for by taking the bait?
The staff waited until the actual last second to show any hint of something tangible and then went on the social media and said "you saw a display of affection and didn't immediately understand that they are gay lovers? Bigots!" As if Platonic love doesn't exist.
The problem with Korrasami is the actual interaction between the two characters. There was never anything that could clearly be taken as romantic, nothing that really fueled the idea that a sexual attraction was growing between these two characters who were presumed to be heterosexual. Now I know what you might be thinking, "assuming they're heterosexual is ignorant", and I might agree with you if it were not for actually having watched the show. Bryke wants us to simply buy that Korra (the girl who was in a relationship with Mako, and never showed romantic attraction to any other character throughout the entire series) and Asami (the girl who was so sexually attracted to Mako that she not only funded his pro-bending team, but tried to 'snatch' him up, a second time mind you, right when she found out that he was no longer in a relationship with Korra) are bisexual with no story build-up or reasoning. The only reason this has been allowed (and fucking praised as a matter of fact) is because it is 'ground-breaking' and 'revolutionary', not because it is masterful storytelling.
People are arguing that this happens all the time in real life, that people 'discover' their bisexuality at the strangest of times, and i'm not ignorant enough to assume that this statement isn't 100% true, but that doesn't make for good storytelling, not by a long shot. I'd be less critical if there was going to be another season or another episode where these two characters could explain how they came to this conclusion, and therefore accurately portray bisexuals and put into context that ending, but this is the finale of the franchise. It's bad writing, and terrible execution. When you have to come out and tell people what you intended the ending to be, it's not a good ending. There is a Roger Ebert quote about that floating around, but I don't remember it.
>>68265957
>Asami was originally supposed to be a traitor
I'm glad they didn't go for that route, because it's exactly what I was expecting.
>>68266084
FUCKING THIS
>>68266084
It annoys me slightly in that the implication is that sexuality is completely fluid.
On a side note, what's to become of Mako? It probably tortures him to be around them now, 2 mistakes that both have returned to haunt him.
Every time I feel a bit bad about celebrating Korrasami, because maybe it's rubbing salt in the wounds of the alternative shippers, a thread like this pops up to make it clear that the salt is coming from inside the wounds on this one.
>>68266139
He becomes The Human Torch to Lin's Ultimate Spider-Man.
>>68266084
>inb4 WAAAA FUCK OFF, KORRASAMI CANON DEAL WITH IT BITCH
srsly, the shipping ruined the show, as well as the cunts bryke
Asami and Korra have few on-screen moments together.
>>68266139
You ain't heard of Linko bruh?
>>68266017
>What happens when they find out you're not gay?
Play the race card next
>>68266112
I wasn't particularly expecting it, but when we came to that point with her father trying to get her to join him I was like 'oh geez do we have to do THIS' and then they didn't and I was like 'well that's okay then'
Which is a decent fakeout,but they seemed to not really have an idea of what to do with Asami after that aside from make her into Batman. Which Bat-Asami is also fine, but it helps to show that they were flying by the seat of their pants making this show.
>>68266084
I don't entirely disagree, but the signs are there. They're all just 'blink and you'd miss it' things like the scene at the end of Book 3. Which, I will also agree, can in fact be easily interpreted as Asami taking care of a close friend who needs her help. It would have been a good place to START showing them having a romantic relationship, but everything that followed (for instance, the fact that Korra was writing to Asami and the fact that she seemed much more comfortable around Asami than any of her other friends) was clearly done with the intention of encrypting it in a way which means you could easily consider it to be just indicative of a friendship. And that hurts the narrative.
>>68266139
Mako gets the solice that he is the ultimate man. After a woman is with him, no other man will do.
I searched the Korrasami tags on tumblr
I just want cute lesbians, I don't want people's "personal stories."
>>68266084
You sir are right on the money
>>68266322
>Went on tumblr.
First mistake.
>>68266322
I don't want either.
>>68266084
Bang on.
It's odd, a couple of weeks ago Gotham mid season revelation was lesbians which I was 100% fine with as it had been established during the show that one char was gay and the other was bi and both had a previous relationship.
The one in Korra although there were the very slightest of hints they never felt tangible enough to acknowledge as anything other than absolute friendship. Especially considering how other relationships were handled involving both characters in the past.
It is the finality of it all, it kinda leaves me not really knowing who Korra or Asami actually are. They were developed as one thing and in the space of a few seconds a whole other facet to their character was exposed in as blunt a fashion as possible. It was very jarring and surreal.
>they're gay because the creator said their close friendship meant they were gay
That just opens the floodgates for any show's staff to retroactively say that the pair of close platonic friends (girls, dudes in a bromance) are gay to get extra press (which is probably why Bryke did it since they spent half the show getting Korra and Asami tangled up in clumsily done hetero shipping bs).
It's despicable and kind of cowardly what Bryke did. Though it'll probably be a year or so until the SJWs realize they've been taken for a ride.
> My dad's dead. I feel so vulnerable
> Lick my bean you fire nation cunt
well looks like it's time to abandon this thread. It's starting to get to be every other post is tripping my filters.
>>68266454
>Though it'll probably be a year or so until the SJWs realize they've been taken for a ride.
I think a lot of them don't care in the first place, by which I mean they tend to come out of the woodwork when something pleases them. Their numbers swell and they spread their opinion everywhere like gospel. I doubt many of them even watched the show, they're just backing up people who share the same narrative.
Gotta have an opinion, even if you aren't actually invested.
My only issue with their execution of korrasami was that a lot of their interactions in seasons 3 and 4 could be taken as romantic, but only in retrospect. I took them as romantic because I shipped it, but things like Korra only writing Asami or the blush scene, or any of the other moments they had together feel very different now that they are confirmed to be a couple. The romantic tone should have been there on its own rather than because of how the show ends
>>68266030
here you go bro
>>68266170
Bryke ruined the show from the very beginning. They should've never pitched a new show unless they had a solid idea. I.e, ATLA
>>68266525
>The romantic tone should have been there on its own rather than because of how the show ends
fucking this
OP here, this thread is getting interesting
>>68266431
This nigga gets it
>>68266084
>but that doesn't make for good storytelling, not by a long shot
If it had been two straight characters who barely interacted suddenly fucking each other, those same people that are arguing for the spontaneity of Korrasami would be crying foul.
I don't believe the "Nick woulld't allow excuse" as anything but short-sightedness, because there is a thousand ways to write a romance without coming out (lol) and saying it outright.
They had a lot of stuff in Season 3, but the problem was that there wasn't enough in Season 4.
I still liked it.
>>68266431
>it kinda leaves me not really knowing who Korra or Asami actually are
I really think this is the issue. It is both brilliant and despicable. Byke managed to really throw away great portions of who Korra and Asami were perceived to be (or, to be honest, who they actually were for 99% of the show), and that allows for the shipping crowd and the fanfiction crowd to go hog-wild with their interpretations of every single little thing having to do with these two. I think that's what Bryke was doing with this ending, it may be terribly handled and horribly executed, but it opens the floodgates for exactly what has been happening.
It allows for shippers to come out and say things like "well now all of their interactions were really supposed to be romantic all along", it covers up Bryke's godawful storytelling and writing. With that ending they pulled the proverbial rug out from under the fandom, and in our daze their lack of build-up doesn't seem so shitty anymore.
Soo it happened, why care....
>>68265664
Talentless hacks making a shitty ending. Nothing new there.
Fuck, even Naruto had a better ending than this pile of shit.
>>68266207
>but the signs are there. They're all just 'blink and you'd miss it' things like the scene at the end of Book 3.
Get off Bryke's dick, anon. There are no romantic signs whatsoever. And yes my "hetero lens" are off, Bryan.
>>68266559
¬.¬ but it was two straight characters who were shipped in the last few minutes for fan service and gay friendly media takeout
>>68266017
He'll probably just claim he's bisexual.
Not that any of this really happened anyway. That anon's probably just making it up
>>68266603
Lmao this
>>68266322
>Tumblr
Never go to that shithole. They need another raid.
>>68266581
because it was like smearing shit on the icing of a cake.
why do that to a cake, and i'm not saying korra was a good cake, it was descent, but not good, but still you shouldn't do that to cake......so yeh, don't fuck with cake.
>>68266575
Did you even watch Season 3?
GUYS
GUYS
WHAT IF
GUYS LISTEN
LIKE WHAT IF KORRA AND ASAMI ARE STRAIGHT FRIENDS AND IT'S ONLY ALLUDED THAT THEY GET GAY FOR EACH OTHER LATER
GUYS
GUYS
No but seriously, if a guy and a girl were really close friends but no romance was brought up and everyone thought "those two should get together" and they share this moment and that's it and the creators are like "no they totally get together after this" everyone would be all "that makes total sense"
>>68266559
I really take issue with this comment, because this is basically just the argument of "you're homophobic", and it's bullshit. If Korra got together with Mako nobody, from a storytelling standpoint would be surprised with it. Because all of the build-up that is dedicated to showing how close Mako and Korra are, and more specifically how much Mako still cares for Korra. On the flip side of that though, nobody would be alright with Korra suddenly admitting feelings for some barely featured male character.
As a matter of fact you (shipper) and I would be sitting here on the same side of this argument, because Bryke wouldn't have their 'rainbow shield' to cover up and protect their shitty writing. Your argument is garbage, it would have been just as bad if it was some random dude, but it isn't. It's some random female character, so you enjoyed the ending.
>>68266594
>hetero lens
I honestly stopped giving a shit about Bryan and Mike after I read that. Who honestly says that? What a smug loser.
>>68266575
Coupled with their obnoxious blog posts it really left a sour taste in my mouth.
Yet I still can't actively hate the show, there is enough there for me to miss it. I absolutely love the production values, the score and animation are second to none. They essentially threw it all away for a few cheap points that they never had the conviction or ability to earn.
It's a disaster for Avatar the franchise as it diminishes what it is and can be in the future. It is now aligned with a specific cause that they will find hard to shift, it is no exposed as being vapid and unreliable, and its creators are show to be gloating ungrateful spiteful gits who actively hate large parts of their audience.
>wake up
>still off of work
>get a egg mcmuffin and coffee
>hop on /co/
>come into thread
>people that don't like the ending are discussing the issues with the writing and the storytelling
>people that liked the ending are asking if people saw 'x' episode or season and claiming through thinly veiled insults that people that don't like it are homophobic
Shippers are a fucking cancer.
>>68266646
>you're homophobic
Typical brainless defence by those who support this ship and/or Bryke's carelessness.
>>68265664
>Implying that this isn't cancer
You douchebags are pathetic.
>>68266637
>No but seriously, if a guy and a girl were really close friends but no romance was brought up and everyone thought "those two should get together" and they share this moment and that's it and the creators are like "no they totally get together after this" everyone would be all "that makes total sense"
This is basically what happened between Varrick and Zhu Li. They didn't have their first romantic moment until the final season, it was entirely one sided, and 6 episodes later, they were fucking engaged to be married.
>>68266611
http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/legend-korra-creators-confirm-official-lesbian-love-story241214
http://moviepilot.com/posts/2014/12/22/legend-of-korra-fans-demand-more-episodes-2536348?lt_source=external,manual
http://www.towleroad.com/2014/12/the-legend-of-korra-series-finale-nods-to-lgbt-viewers.html
>>68265664
>Genuine criticisms of korrasami
It's dumb and bad
also: not good
also: it is stupid an dumb
>>68266692
I'm aware, anon, and that's why Bryke decided to write blogposts to bask in the free publicity and to stroke their dicks over their "accomplishment."
>>68266646
The Jews Did This?
sounds like Ronaldo, he did call an Israeli footballer an assassin to his face.
>>68266692
Now that I think about it, I've only seen one review not praising this ending for being a milestone in gay rights. A review that treats it like a show rather than a human rights victory.
http://popinsomniacs.com/2014/12/the-legend-of-korra-series-finale-is-revolutionary-but-at-a-cost/
>>68266713
Ronaldo is a hero then.
Just so you know "But they were straifht and only lesbo at the last minute" isn't a valid criticism. Bisexual women are even less represented on TV and tend to get killed off a lot(think Sara from Arrow).
part of the reason us queers like Korrasami is that it looks a lot like real relationships we might have had when we were first exploring our sexuality. you don't have to establish characters as bi anymore than you have to establish them as straight.
>>68266646
You sir are right, nothing lead upto to the faggotry we saw at the end, apart from shit-tier writing and interaction between korra and asami.
Mako reconcilling with Korra would have made better sense.
>>68266725
>"But they were straifht and only lesbo at the last minute" isn't a valid criticism
> Bisexual women are even less represented on TV and tend to get killed off a lot(think Sara from Arrow).
What the hell? That isn't a supporting argument, those are two completely different arguments. Why is that not a valid criticism tripfag?
People are having actual arguments in this thread, making posts with content and then you come in.
Part of the problem too is that people don't really want to examine their biases so are very quick to jump on Bryke for criticising heteronormative readings of the show.
It's important to remember they did point out they kept things subtle/ambiguous but the subtext was there. They also admitted this fell short of being truly revolutionary.
But yet for a lot of queer fans(such as myself) it means the world. I just wish people would accept that instead of pulling goobergate logic on this.
>>68266695
People still salty Korra won.
>>68266646
>I really take issue with this comment, because this is basically just the argument of "you're homophobic", and it's bullshit
Dude, my comment agreed with yours. I didn't enjoy the ending and I did say that if Korra had hooked up with a male character she had only lightly interacted with, the Korrasamifags would be all judgmental of its abruptness.
>>68266760
it's not a valid argument because it's basically bi erasure and exactly the heteronormativity bryke talked about.
bi women exist and they don't always declare themselves as swuch. it's easier for them to date men before they come to terms with that.
>>68266454
Yeah, what if JK Rowling declared DUMBLEDORE to be gay after the series had ended? How would you feel then HUH!>?
>>68266725
>>68266761
The prophecy was foretold >>68266673
>>68266725
>"But they were straifht and only lesbo at the last minute" isn't a valid criticism
Why? Because that's exactly what happened?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8
I was hoping the LBGT community would have had some unpleasant things to say about this, because I imagine there'd be plenty of them with full mental clarity to realize wha a terrible thing that last-second lesbian ending was.
>>68266776
a lot of people think that's a GREAT EXAMPLE of how queer characters shouild be done, i.e. nto at all in the actual narrative, so it won't "get in the way" (of course, heterosexuality seldom does, at least to the same extent).
>>68266761
Its hard for some because they just hate Korra and wanted to be forgotten. Now it won't and will be seen as a first.
>>68266586
>even Naruto had a better ending
lol no. I'm not saying this ending was good, but nothing will ever top Naruto's awful ending.
>>68266786
It was the best pairing available.
>>68266678
Awww is the little cunt mad?
>>68266786
Homosexuality and Transgenderism are literally mental illnesses.
>>68266525
But that's how a lot of young homosexual romance happens, because it can't be out in the open. There's a lot of, "being really close friends" and subtle courtship that, taken out of context, looks like friendliness. Then, at the end, they confess that they're gay and attracted to each other.
The giveaway was that Korra did a bunch of stuff around Asami that was OOC without seeing the ship. Since when was Korra ever shy? Since when was she one to not shout her feelings to the world? But when you realize that she's crushing, it all makes sense.
>>68266798
I never got what was wrong with Naruto's ending. It didn't strike me as best thing ever, but I found nothing offensive about it.
>>68266819
Kaguya was an immensely retarded final boss idea. And her origin story was equally idiotic.
>>68266810
Wu and Mako made more sense than Korrasami
>>68266798
Defeat the villian, got a waifu that actually developed a relationship with. The moon got destroyed and there were babies.
Korra a shit
>>68266775
Nobody is saying bisexuals don't exist. Nobody is saying Korra and Asami should have broken the fourth wall and looked into the camera yelling that they were bisexuals. You're an idiot, your arguments are only based on you being queer and liking something that you think everyone should like because it's queer too.
You pay no mind to quality as long as you can get your representation, you make the LGBT community seem like a bunch of whiny babies living in sewers living off of what scraps the media gives them. You're a terrible poster, a shitty example of a queer person, and have no standards for quality.
Here are some posts by anons that are very well done:
>>68266084
>>68266431
>>68266575
>>68266817
Was it ever explicitly said in the Avatar-verse that homosexuality was frowned upon? And don't go hiding behind the meta defense.
>>68266830
Mako was descredited at this point and Wu is just silly.
>>68266691
Why is no one complaining about that?
>>68265664
As a gay man, I was pretty disappointed. Look, it just felt tacked on and half-assed (not that ANY relationship in LoK was ever terribly satisfying). It's nice getting more representation, but I'm still waiting for more gay characters that are actually written WELL. Hell, even by their own admission, they just up and decided to make it a thing cuz lol why not.
That said, it's a children's show, and introducing younger viewers to the idea that same-sex relationships are okay is nice and it's a step in the right direction.
>>68266786
>Last second
Literally built over two books from friendship to the end point of BEGINNING a romantic relationship.
Cripes so many people bitch because they have to watch interactions to understand things rather than be told them through exposition.
>>68266842
No. Not if they wanted to stay on Nickleodeon.
>>68266775
There are no such things as bisexuals. Just straight and gay people that like to experiment from time to time.
>>68266761
Tripfag being retarded, that's new.
gb2tumblr
>>68266847
Because most people suspected they had a relationship from the start.
>>68266847
Because its a man and a woman. And they are setup by those relationships that came before them Pepper Potts and Tony Stark to name the most prominent one.
>>68266860
As far as comics go? Bisexuality is usually just an excuse to have a gay or lesbian character without having to flat out say "they're gay."
Can't think of too many bisexual women in comics that are with a man.
>tomboy
>actually gay and/or bi
How progressive and not stereotypical at all.
The korasami ending was like a step above thos:
http://youtu.be/aVjmXSS0wKA?t=1m49s
>>68266780
You don't know how bisexuality works, do you?
>>68266814
>Le pretend idiot reply
There's no such thing as Bisexuals.
Just men/women that want to get off, regardless of gender.
And attentionwhores.
>>68266725
>straifht
Jeez, bisexuals can't spell apparently.
>>68266847
The difference is the 2 characters were together from the first time we saw them to the last. Granted it was a rapid development to have it all come out in the finale but they had years together, every single day with zhu li doing far more for varrick than asami ever did for korra.
>>68266860
>TFW Kinsey scale
>>68266673
shippers......one of my top ten most hated things
>>68266884
huh?
>>68266838
>there were babies
Too many of them, who were a carbon copy of their respective parents
I wonder what the short board name will be for the inevitable Korrasami board after /co/ segregates the threads into their own board like they did the ponies.
/koas/?
>>68266842
>Explicitly
Didn't need to be. Avatar has always been, "Modern ethics except when expressly indicated to hew more closely to East Asian conceptions."
>>68265664
Korrasami was written just as bad as any romantic relationship in the Avatar universe. Other than that, they'repretty cute together
>>68266767
Yes you did, and I apologize for being a fucking idiot. It's very early and i'm still not completely alert. I can't remember if I was responding to someone else, or if I really just read your comment as saying that if it was two straight characters that I wouldn't be angry.
Whatever the case I was wrong, and I agree with your comment completely now that I went back and read it after having had breakfast. My bad.
>>68266884
But i dont pretend to be trolling you. You are legit angry, you cunt
>>68266896
A scale by a dude who stuck TOOTHBURSHES into his PENIS.
>>68266870
bisexuals are rare, funny enough they are all drug addicts and or porn performers
>>68266915
>Too many of them, who were a carbon copy of their respective parents
Like the Asians that wrote it?
>>68266810
That's like saying dogshit is better than bullshit, they're both still shit and you don't even have to pick any of them
I don't care how much sense does it make. It is apparently accepted that protagonist must get with someone else from main cast, and I wouldn't want Korra to get with Mako and Bolin.
I don't care how much sense does it make, because Asami was the most sympathetic of the cast. After all, it's fiction. And it was the last scene, so unlike all the other bullshit, it will affect nothing in the future.
>>68266924
>sliding this thread continues
>>68266921
So that's you just assuming that being gay is frowned upon in Avatar. That's your take.
>>68266934
Okay, anon. You made me laugh, I'll give you that.
>>68266929
It was in the name of science.
>>68266842
I highly doubt Air Nomad culture would take kindly to it
>>68265777
>not really
Forbes has an article about how it's the "best finale of the year."
>>68266932
Hercules doesn't do hard drugs I think. I mean, he's probably done a video or two over the centuries, but not in a professional capacity.
>>68266884
>that image
>"I wish a homophobe would"
I'm from San Francisco, as a matter of fact live in the Haight. Whoever made that original post is probably some fifteen year old yuri shipping girl, because nobody around here even notices homos.
>>68266847
We have, ZhuXVarrick is shit too and also came out of fucking nowhere. I mean, they literally went from master/servant, to one sided, to engaged to married in like 6 episodes, they didn't even fucking date to see how compatible they are when Varrick's not telling and making Zhu Li do stuff. That's shit.
But the Korrasami thing is still what most people wanna talk about
>>68266955
Forbes and numerous News sources and Entertainment Magazines giving it major approval. Asami won the Korrabowl and Korra won the Year.
Anon
you will NEVER have a civilized Korra thread, ever again. Stop trying.
>>68266928
>I was just pretending to pretend to be retarded
Man you're the worst kind of cancer.
Gamergate and /pol/ have ruined everything. We can't just argue anymore, we have to make it into a movement where we develop a platform and then attack everyone who doesn't conform. Free speech, anonymous forum, my ass.
>>68265664
OP here, this is what it felt like when the writer did what he did
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy4SuzhptcI
The fact that Korasami came out of nowhere doesn't bother me so much as the fact that the audience is expected to fawn over how bold and progressive it was, and forget that the rest of the show was garbage.
I get it, they're dykes. So are my neighbors. Can we talk about the actual show now?
>>68266967
They've been working together for over a decade, they know everything about eachother.
Why date?
>>68266967
Again Subtext Varrick didn't name things after her for no reason.
>>68266980
Was there anything else worth talking about?
Maybe how much Korra disappointed us.
>>68266971
Jeez, it's like The Emperor's New Clothes, except there's no one that can speak loud enough to point out that everyone's been duped.
>>68266971
links to sauce plz
>>68266883
And Bryke does? You think it's subtlety, but it's probably them half-assing it like they've been doing for most of the program.
>>68267000
Just wait till it wins an emmy.
>>68266981
Cause you don't just switch from a relationship where you've been acting like a guy's slave for years and years and where he saw you as a slave pretty much for the majority of those years up until maybe a week or two ago, and jump straight into marriage.
The dynamic is too weird at that point cause you don't know them in a romantic sense and now you have to start seeing and treating them as an equal but probably will still fall back on ordering them to do shit for example, or falling back on doing what the other person asks for even if by mistake, blah blah blah, you can't just jump into engagement and marriage that fucking fast. That's shit writing.
>>68266216
>Mako gets the solice that he is the ultimate man. After a woman is with him, no other man will do.
ehh.. maybe, (failing two relationships like that though).
>>68267018
You don't want it. It is ridiculously embarrassing to read.
>>68267000
Because its only you nutters that have been living off this hate for years that feel this way. Get over it.
>>68267018
Google Legend of Korra and click the news tab.
>>68266986
Naming shit after a person in no way implies romantic feelings
It's just easier to remember shit if they all have the same damn name
>>68267038
i'll heed to your advice then anon
>>68267026
It wasn't really slavery. He just thought she's completely in tune with him. And it was true.
>>68266980
Sure. Let's talk about the ending scene with Korra and Asami walking off together. You know what I remember from that scene? The buildings in the background, decimated and covered in spirit vines. Those were people's homes and businesses. That city has been decimated, absolutely destroyed, when the citizens return what will they return to? There is no hope for that place anymore, none that is foreseeable during the ending at least.
People's lives are in pieces now, and they're going to come back to a bright light in the middle of their city. Take screen caps of that last scene, and crop out the shipping cancer and it looks like something out of a post-apocalyptic video game. And what does Korra do? What does the almighty Avatar, saviour of the people and breaker of LGBT chains do? She fucking leaves for a vacation with someone she has a crush on. There is no indication of how long she will be gone for, or anything. She leaves, eyes on her new girlfriend and not on the shattered city around her, and that's it. Despicable.
>>68267040
>Because its only you nutters that have been living off this hate for years that feel this way. Get over it.
For the love of god, TLOK isn't a perfect little snowflake just because there was some extremely tepid lesbian showcasing at the very last second.
Doom Gus doesn't like what he saw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4zfvOoaO-Q
>>68267058
Dude, she was being treated LIKE a slave.
She was the damn bottom of the bear costume where she was probably breathing nothing but Varrick's sweaty swampass and still had to make the guy's tea and get yelled at.
>>68266980
THIS.
I'm gay and, as much as I'd like to have more representation in media, I'm still waiting on more gay characters that are written WELL and aren't just there to show how progressive it was.
People rightly bashed Makorra for being terribly written from start to end. People pointed out how stupid and cringe-y all of Bolin's relationships were. People complained that Varrick and Zhu-li's thing came out of nowhere. BUT OH LOOK, NOW WE'VE GOT GAYS, EVERYONE HOP ABOARD OR YOU'RE HOMOPHOBIC. What no, it wasn't badly written, they're gay, you HAVE to support it!
Fuck that. There ARE some very well written gay characters out there. There are shows that just have them and don't turn them into a novelty to shove in your face. Lok isn't one of them, sorry.
>>68267073
Not perfect no but its nowhere near the shit that you people constantly act like it is.
>>68267090
Seconded. Seriously.
>>68267090
the REAL problem here is convincing the "public media" of crap like this, because news articles praising it are incredibly ill-informed.
>>68267077
It's not like he was holding her captive and I think she could've found a better job. For Varrick it was looking like she wanted all this.
>>68265664
>korrasami
I'm honestly kind of depressed that Bryke actually confirmed Korrasami when it should have been ambiguous as intended. Now, I'm certain Nick isn't going to make a spinoff/sequel/prequel or any continuation of the franchise. Or if they are, whatever happens after Avatar Korra isn't going to reference Korra's romantic relationship with Asami as canon.
>>68267075
>Doom Gus
>>68267090
10/10
>>68267112
It wasn't supposed to be ambiguous its just some where incurably thick about it.
Because they need to have every interaction fucking spelled out.
Cripes the salt in this place.
>this thread
>>68267090
I'm really unimpressed. I mean, you can say showing gay kiss is at least subversive somewhat and a novelty for a kids cartoon but they were just kinda looking at each others and decided to travel.
Candace Flynn and Stacy Hirano are more lesbian than this.
>>68267090
But Korra wasn't badly written (except maybe the second season). She completed her mirror arc of Aang's development: Aang was a kid who didn't want to be the Avatar who assumed his responsibility, Korra was an Avatar who learned to embrace her own personal story both within and outside her duties. That's why she has to lose her bending in the first season, her connection to the past Avatars in the second, and her confidence and self assurance in the third.
>>68267139
Oh yeah, all that polite interaction.
>>68267139
It wasn't supposed to be ambiguous but it ended up being so because it was so poorly written. We've covered all this.
>>68265664
I think Bryke did the pussy toe in the water method. Didn't commit to either, left it hang in the air until the dust settled before they made it canon.
they could have easily stated it was a platonic sisterly relationship that just needed to be strengthened from the trouble and danger it had been subjected to. But seeing as the viewership and consensus on bi coupling was good, they just went 'Yep, they are a couple' Thinking themselves revolutionary. Thats the part that shits me.
>>68267153
>Korra wasn't badly written
Varrick: Yo, Korra, btw Amon is my brother and we're both the sons of that one blood bending crook. Sorry to drop this all on ya in the last couple of episodes, but you were busy blood bending
Zaheer: Something, something child's conception of anarchy
Kuvira: I was adopted and raised in a loving environment. Yeah, that's why I'm evil.
>>68267112
>yfw they treat Korra the same way Lucas treated the 2003 clone wars cartoon and make a fresh new start
>>68267112
This. Bryke pretty much ended their own franchise, because there's no way Nick can get away with a homosexual canon couple in a children's cartoon show. Damnit, I was looking forward to the next based earth avatar.
>>68265686
They're striaght
>>68267107
It's not really that big news.
But bet your bottom dollar mornoic /pol/, stormfront and gamergoobers will push it to the forefront since they don't understand the definition of backfire.
>>68267173
>But seeing as the viewership and consensus on bi coupling was good, they just went 'Yep, they are a couple' Thinking themselves revolutionary. Thats the part that shits me.
Pretty much this.
![tumblr_inline_nbnpldxvjx1rb5cpa_by_garry_guertena-d81os87[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/LA4w0xP.gif "tumblr_inline_nbnpldxvjx1rb5cpa_by_garry_guertena-d81os87[1].gif")
>>68267111
>It's not like he was holding her captive
You don't have to hold someone captive to treat them like a slave anon.
>For Varrick it was looking like she wanted all this.
Oh lord, really anon?
And that still wouldn't excuse him treating her like a slave.
>>68267021
>You think it's subtlety
Not really. What bothers me is the fact that people seem to think bisexuality is jumping from straight to gay and viceversa.
I've been an omnivore all my life. Just because today I decided to eat a salad, you wouldn't say I'm a vegetarian, would you?
About the writing itself, I think the fact that Bryke confirmed Korrasami as "canon" was a mistake, because the way I see it, they spent the last two seasons trying to develop the relationship between Korra and Asami, but as friends. Them being friends first is essential to any healthy eventual romantic relationship. So, the way I see it, sure, they maybe started having feelings romantic feelings for each other, but just at the final episode. They could get together eventually as a couple after that, but the fact that Bryke "confirmed" it, made everyone start thinking that the romantic feelings were there all along and we just had to look, which I don't think it's what happened at all.
So yeah, Bryke sucks for "confirming" it, but my main problem with your post was that you said straigh->lesbian, which is not how bisexuality works, really.
>>68267221
It's called Stockholm syndrome
What if homosexuality is heavily scrutinized in the Avatar world and as such Korra/Asami tried their best to hide that from season 1 to 3 until the finale in which case they said fuck it all and went all out.
>>68267184
Kurvira was raised by Suyin "fuck the law and the government" Beifong despite enforcing her own law and being the political official of an entire city. I'm not surprised Jr. and Kurvira ended up screwed up as they are.
>>68267221
She never complained. She never objected. How the hell he was supposed to see it as anything but 100% commitment to his genius.
Remember, kids, people are not psychics. People think that those who look content are content. If you have problems with them, tell them.
>>68267266
No.
They already had a lesbian and a homo as Avatar anyway.
>>68267211
This. You want to know why they push diversity so hard in the media? It's the "equal and opposite reaction" to the attempts to erase people of color and LGBT from popular media. If people would stop giving a damn so much, they'd show up about as much as well they do in real life, instead of disproportionately in waves (that is, on me, and them everywhere, and then none).
It's a fucking diversity bubble and you idiots keep pumping it up.
>>68267295
I'd wish the mods would get rid of these threads already.
>>68267189
Only if also they remove the character who's the Jar Jar Binks of Legend of Korra. You know the one.
>>68267276
>She never complained. She never objected.
You realize of course than once you've beaten someone down enough (and I don't mean literally) that they're now usually conditioned to not complain or say jackshit right?
For example, you can't treat your wife like shit, get her to the point that her shit life is all she knows, treat her like a slave and then tell the judge "well she never complained, her tone of voice and how she went about things certainly didn't show enthusiasm or anything and in fact showed contempt but she never said no"
>How the hell he was supposed to see it as anything but 100% commitment to his genius.
If you can't pick stuff up on body language or tone, you're autistic or narcissistic and self involved and just don't give a shit. Either way, what you're doing is fucked up
>>68267323
Korra herself?
>>68267323
I'm guessing either Mako or Meelo. Or maybe Bolin.
>>68267383
Nah Bolins solid. Meelo doesnt do anything except fart and do stupid shit
>>68267355
>autistic or narcissistic and self involved and just don't give a shit
That's a very accurate description of Varrick.
>criticisms of korrasami
I feel like this is skirting the crux of the issue. You don't need an entire website to explain why the last 2 minutes of Korra was shit when KORRA AS A WHOLE WAS SHIT.
>>68267399
And
>Either way, what you're doing is fucked up
>>68267355
I'm not really saying they are going to be a good couple, but you can't call their original relationship slavery.
And someone who never protest until she throws massive tantrum is a dwarf fortress resident, not a suitable wife either.
>>68266853
>Being this delusional
>horrid romance in season two
>no creative bending until season three. Korra literally just punch and kicked all the elements for the whole first season
>korra's character was unlikeable and arrogant, terrible set up for an MC
>retconning the avatar state
>raava/vaatu arc was uninspired and generic, the rest of the villains were good because they reflected political extremes
>pro bending was boring
I think some hints were dropped.
The hair compliment and blush being the most obvious one
But I also think if could have been handled better.
It could be argued that they didn't even realize they had barely begun to realize their feelings for each other. The spirit portal thing being the "beginning" of something.
They had become close friends by season 3.
They busting Mako's chops when he was awkward was pretty funny and a good moment. But really best aligns with a close friendship
But There was potential -- and honestly "lawl lesbians are hawt" jokes aside they really would make a good couple.
I think part of the problem was Censorship/Nick and them being not the best writers. Like they couldn't be obvious. But they couldn't be too subtle. Combine that with the people that brought us fucking "Vatuu and the dark avatar" and you will have problems.
I don't think Korra lined up with TLAB in quality. The second season was pretty terrible and the end of the first season bothered me.
But 3 and 4 were pretty solid.
I kind of liked how the focus shifted from Korra and it became more about the others. I don't know if it was intentional but It kind of went along with the theme of the world not needing the Avatar quite so much anymore.
Plus more world building. That was one of the things I loved about TLAB.
>>68267275
MORE FUCKING DADDY ISSUES?! JESUS CHRIST! DOES THAT PAIR OF TWATS CAN DO ANYTHING ELSE?!
>>68267521
>horrid romance in season two
It was at it's worst in season 1.
>>68265664
Korrasami a shit.
>>68267533
>Season 4.
>Solid.
It wasn't, It started great, and every episode the quality went down, until you got to the recap episode, the final nail in the coffin.
>>68267409
This. Hell after like episode 4 of season 1 I could tell the ATLA I knew and loved was ogre.
![Wat8[1].jpg_131593.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/48D5RsF.jpg "Wat8[1].jpg_131593.jpg")
>>68267468
>but you can't call their original relationship slavery.
I never said that it was straight up slavery or anything.
>you've been acting like a guy's slave for years and years
keywords: ACTING and LIKE
>he saw you as a slave pretty much
PRETTY MUCH
He treated her LIKE a slave, she has to do almost fucking everything for this dude and she certainly wasn't enjoying any of it, her tone when saying "Yes sir" or whatever certainly didn't show she was content or happy, her face certainly didn't show that she was happy.
>And someone who never protest until she throws massive tantrum is a dwarf fortress resident
Da FUQ?
>>68267603
>Much less interesting villains
That's the only thing I disagree with. Ozai wasn't as interesting as most of LOK villains.
You can say it wasn't done well, or there should have been more.
But you're a fucking mong if you say it came out of nowhere.
>>68267568
Bah. It wasn't as good as Season 3 but it never made me angry like 1 or 2.
This was a season about everyone but Korra Really.
Bolin had growth.
Varrik was practically the protagonist.
Jhu Li went from background cutie to everyones waifu
Ikki got to shine.
Pemma even got a fucking moment.
>>68267655
you can fucking interpret that as a friendly relationship
>but muh hetero glasses
can't mask that shit for shitty writing bryke
>>68267645
He was voiced by Mark Hamill, he's awesome by default.
>>68265664
About Korrasami? I have to say, the first time I heard of it, I thought it was kind of a joke. Seeing how they stablished both straight in two whole seasons.
Then, I noticed it wasn't. People saying so sure: "You're not seeing the obvious" and all that.
How can they took that for granted? Even many of the posts here were expecting "Implied Korrasami" at the end. I dunno, I'm pretty sure Bryke spread the rumor for their own ending here. Then, shippers fueled that. Why not?
>>68267603
switch momo with sokka
and scratch the less interesting villains
>>68267603
I didn't hate the SW prequels as much as I hate LOK....the Hobbit trilogy was clusterfuck and a huge dissapointment though.
>>68267660
For me Korrasami is Makorra 2.0
Darn, those guys can't into romance at all...
>>68267680
>you can fucking interpret that as a friendly relationship
You can interpret anything as a friendly relationship without one of the people saying they like the other retard. But anyone with half a brain would interpret it as romantic. Just like the ending could be interpreted as friendship, but everyone but a few retards on /co/ understood it was romantic.
>>68267603
>Talking shit of Iroh.
Fuck you, man
>>68267724
It's so easy to interpret them as romantic after Bryke had to make a blog post about it
Says it all really
>>68267702
I like to picture Bryan or Mike googling Korra fanart and stumbling across Owler's Korrasami artwork masturbating furiously and deciding they needed to make that shit canon
>>68267680
Like I said. Exhibit A, Mongular.
>>68267750
They didn't have to, You can even see them bring up all the articles written about it that call it a romantic relationship. Every reaction vid and everyone else except some retards on /co/ knew it was romantic from the second it hit. But for the few idiots who won't accept anything but spit swapping they made a post.
>>68267750
Or all the people saying it before, and then the vocal minority screaming about how it wasn't true unless they confirmed it, thinking that they'd just leave it ambiguous because Nick. Turns out that backfired a bit. It got confirmed. And people can scream and whine about them being 'condescending' but all they're doing is proving what they said right, especially about the lenses thing, and how people are so often predisposed to read it in a straight light.
>>68267717
Perhaps not.
But I think the key is an understanding of character outside of the writers themselves.
It flirts dangerously with Head canon, sure. But its important to understand a character and art apart from its creator. You know what I mean?
Like they're an abstract entity in of themselves.
>>68267780
>>68267789
I meant the "evidence" leading up to the final scene.
>>68267201
Word of god says otherwise, thankfully.
Was shipping Korrasami since it existed.
>>68267796
Re: Lenses, just like I fucking said you illiterate mong.
>>68267812
>>68267761
>>68267655
Except even through yuri goggles, their interactions can still be read as platonic. This isn't about disallowing any bisexuality or homosexuality pairing, it's about proper storytelling and how jarringly out of left field this came from.
If you have to make an announcement after the fact about the meaning of the last scene in your show you have failed as storytellers, spectacularly so. By being unable to even make the ending pairing apparent, it's not the fault of the network for refusing to show it, it's the fault of the creators for being unable to present it. Art is defined by its limits and an artist is limited by their ability. If you can't show something well enough, you don't know how to present it or fight enough for it to be more obvious.
>>68267603
Korra was a good friend
>>68267801
>i've had shitty taste for a long time
the things you people are proud of.
>>68267801
Cunt
