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Topic-What completely turns you away from a comic, no matter how well its written or how good it is? What turns you towards?
Scrub Authors GOODIE Bag
Here’s a short list of sites that any new webcomic artist or writer will find handy:
>*-Struggling to find that perfect FONT? Create your own using this link;
http://www.myscriptfont.com/
>*-Don’t forget to brush up on that ANATOMY:
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
http://www.quickposes.com/pages/timed
>*-What’s a list without some reference STOCK IMAGES?
People: http://senshistock.deviantart.com/gallery/
Scenery: http://www.shutterstock.com/
>*-Here's a big fat compilation of CHARACTER DESIGN REFERENCE:
http://www.pinterest.com/characterdesigh/
>*-Finally, here are some links to get a rough WEBSITE started up:
Easy to use tumblr webcomic theme: https://www.tumblr.com/theme/39018
Do’s and Don’ts for starting a site: http://pastebin.com/kNR2W5mV (embed)
>*-Here’s the contact sheet if anyone wants to put information down, like their site and webcomic:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwfOSHXfrgvcf--PkPz9jXL6p5RqIsrYvXYwgQpgT3k/edit#
>*-We also got a SKYPE CHAT room going on,
To join the chat, seek out 'starlinemike' or 'scribblehatch' and they'll add you in.
>Wise words from John Cleese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qby0ed4aVpo [Embed] [Embed]
>Invisible Ink:
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_1.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_2.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_3.pdf
>Paper Wings
http://chrisoatley.com/category/podcasts/
https://web.archive.org/web/20140625035030/http://paperwingspodcast.com/
>Fonts for your webcomic on Blambot:
http://www.blambot.com/
>Writing Resources:
http://www.cienciasecognicao.org/rotas/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Robert-McKee-Story.pdf
yay new thread. perfect timing
... i got nothin, but i woke up bustling with ideas like i often do
update, just about done
>Topic-What completely turns you away from a comic, no matter how well its written or how good it is? What turns you towards?
away-tiny unreadable text, no matter how good it is ill never know if i cant read italso romcoms about tsunderes, they're worst girls
towards-nice art, ill give it a go even if it looks stupid but i wont stay if it is
>>80928533
post ideas then
>>80928719
they were just dialogue ideas and a decent pun.
>>80928379
>>*-We also got a SKYPE CHAT room going on,
>To join the chat, seek out 'starlinemike' or 'scribblehatch' and they'll add you in.
Good work!
>Wise words from John Cleese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qby0ed4aVpo [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]
... Er. G-good work.
>>80928926
>Someone goes out of their way to change it so you won't comment on it.
>STILL comment on it.
>>80928990
Well the youtube embed part is pretty easily fixed.
I'm surprised so many people slip it up.
It's not disastrous, merely amusing. Toughen up buttercup.
>>80928990
yes but this was a positive comment. take your pat on the back, pat bach
>>80928855
if you can word it well, why not
>>80929236
op here, didnt catch that again, just copy pasted and corrected the skype bit since i remembered
will take note for furture
Hows my webcomic? meh. Ive gotten a few more pages up and Ive been spreading it around everywhere to get it attention http://diyocom.tumblr.com/
>>80929607
you should deticate more time on refining it rather than churn out pages, these look more like 3 minute sketches than anything
visuals are most of what make a comic, if you want readers to stay you gotta appeal
>>80929811
going to be honest, my art is just garbage. a page takes me 1-2 hours.
>>80929843
you can improve along the way
thats why these threads exist
have you checked out the goodie bag?
>>80929927
Yes I have, and they have helped alot.
>>80930036
cool keep it up,
make sure to do studies on the side, also adding shadong to it will help catch the eye
Rendering for the render god. It's kinda weird trying to do this in a new program, but I think I got the sequence to be kinda funny at least.
>>80929843
Even if it is just line art, that's not a lot of time to be spending on an entire page, Anon. Especially when you're not very experienced at it you should be taking the time to double and triple check every panel for anatomy, look up image reference for poses, iterate a few different page layouts etc.
>>80930876
Do you have a site or email I can contact you through/with?
>>80931066
Not at the moment. Why?
>>80929843
well your writing is endearing, so in case you were wondering 'is it worth it to put more time into my art?' the answer is yes
>>80930876
>new program
i can see some slight differences. it seems tighter.
>>80931368
How do you mean? Is tighter good or bad?
Hooray! One more chapter down, three more to go to finish this arc!
This chapter I actually had quite a lot of fun drawing because of the variety in character/monster design. Plus I felt that chapters 3 and 4 had gotten the story a bit TOO much on the serious side and that needed to be rectified.
>>80928234
>What completely turns you away from a comic, no matter how well its written or how good it is?
I really can't think of much; plenty of things irk me, but there's little I can get over.
>What turns you towards?
Pre-WWI historical setting
>>80929843
>a page takes me 1-2 hours.
That's not very long at all, though... I mean, it's fine for short simple gag comics. But for a more story-based comic you could afford to spend more time on it
>>80930876
Which program is that?
I had also thought of having joke panels after each chapter, but I'm barely able to keep up with he main pages themselves!
>>80931709
tighter is definitely good. things look more like real solid objects now and a bit less like living paintings
Because I can't do too many things at the time, I am just going to post catboy oc for now.
Still brainstorming for this character. He belongs to a small team sent out by a magical empire.
>>80932051
have you posted designs for this character before? because what I saw before was a lot... less.. faggy
>>80932123
Its a different character, older man is obsidian prime, which carries two daggers.They are related, but I haven't decided on the relation yet.
>>80932211
ah okay righto then. always good to have both.
>>80928234
good mourning /co/ i finished a new page of DEMON JUICE this mourning, i hope yall like it. more pages here: http://demonjuice.thecomicstrip.org/
>What completely turns you away from a comic, no matter how well its written or how good it is?
Bad webpage. Small text. Bad art. Artist and/or writer is a shithead.
>What turns you towards?
Good art and a topic I like.
>>80931758
Man, every time I see Gwyn's legs I'm more amazed that she manages to fly.
>Which program is that?
Krita. I've been playing around with it for the better part of a year because I like the way it handles selections, layers and custom brushes better than GIMP (and something about the way the brush tracks just feels nicer), but I didn't want to make the switch mid-chapter.
The joke strips are because I really want to avoid having a complete hiatus in between chapters when I'm only updating once a week to begin with. I figure having smaller updates for two months while I get chapter 2 ready to launch is better than having no updates at all for a month.
>>80931811
Oh good! Hopefully it's not a fluke.
Reposting my update from yesterday. What do you guys think?
>>80933430
it'll be interesting to see how that lady fits in. if it's someone she knows in her civilian guise..
>>80933430
Moar?
>>80933430
So what's the story with this comic's creation?
>>80933628
We're pretty proud of Osakan Riot. She's a love letter to joshi puroresu (female pro wrestling from Japan) and hopefully we can use her right. We'll find out a bit more about her and where she is in life later in this issue.
If anyone's wondering, the 3 joshi wrestlers she is primarily based off of are Bull Nakano, Combat Toyoda and Jaguar Yokota.
>>80933670
http://miss-melee.com
>>80933765
I (the writer) approached the artist and asked him if he wanted to work on a superhero comic with me, based off of a script I wrote, which was Miss Melee #1. He agreed, liking the concept of Miss Melee, and the rest is history.
Hey guys, long time /co/ lurker, first time exploring this general. Couple questions,
The goody bag was excellent, I have no artistic training so anatomy and reference help is great. It's a slow process and I figure with enough practice the drawings will get better.
But my main issue is coloring. K6BD and unsounded have clear, refined coloring. I'm using coral painter, and I've played around with hue, but I can't get colors to be "bright" or clean.
Is it a brush setting? Or an effect?
>>80934441
Gotcha, it's a pretty neat comic so far. Keep going!
>>80934694
I'm not sure what you mean by bright or clean. Could you explain in more detail? Maybe provide an example of how others do it and how you get it wrong?
>>80934694
this is something really tough to deal with, i've had trouble with it myself for years. i've learned a few things that might help
1. colors are relative. nobody has ever successfully made something look bright and glowy in broad daylight. you have to darken everything else, simulating what your vision naturally does in the presence of something bright, if you want to depict something looking bright
2. make sure youre in RGB mode not CMYK. a lot of the brighter colors are denied you in the latter
3. crank saturation up, then raise lightness slowly. sometimes you can't have a light AND saturated color that looks bright instead of pale, that's just the business of the beast (Xenoblade X makes this clear when you try to change the visor/lights color on your mech. some hues simply do not glow)
4. Sometimes you can fool the eye into seeing a color that aint there. make the center of something white or yellow or some other super light color, then fade out to the actual color towards the edges. if you look closely at a picture of a lightsaber the blade is white, only the glow is colored. that's because at a certain point everything's white if it's bright enough.
>>80934927
Thank you, this is a huge help. My other issue is refining. The panel I posted earlier is simple brushwork and line art. But this example of gunnerkrigg has far, far superior coloring. Is this saturation again? Hue? What is he doing to get from initial coloring to how most digital art looks in the end?
>>80935135
youre using a brush tool and scribbling. try using a solid pen tool and drawing solid shapes. or just using fill bucket, no shame in it.
Then AFTER you have solid colors, that's when you can add brushing
>>80935290
Thank you, that is absolutely what I needed
what comic from these threads would you want to see storytimed?
i want to storytime some /hywc/ stuff, preferably something that doesn't have too many pages
>>80935952
West Tree Academy of Heroes
Okay, I going to introduce a new character that going to help progress the plot.
I will call him "sun-flower". A boy that was trap by a monster (Who going to design her next). I want hear your opinions on his character design.
>>80936291
He looks like a mummy.
>>80935992
dewd pls
>>80935992
Hah, as if, that has enough pages to fill almost two threads. We all don't need that much west tree in out lives.
I might storytime the book chapter when it comes out though.
Anyways, sorry that I've been so dead lately, I haven't been aloud to draw on the computer.
Anyways, I can get on the computer again, but I have no access to my tablet at the moment, so here's a part of the script for Chapter 17 The Tournament, Part 1.
I can say that some of the main characters will look different when we see them next time, some more than others.
>>80936324
Is that what people look like? I mean when they are burn from head to toe?
>>80934441
I like issue 2 so far very much. It's funny and light hearted while having some deeper implications. It breaks my heart that Jackie thinks Janice is "lame" like all teenagers do, yet idolises Miss Melee at the same time and Janice just decided to live with that. She keeps the secret. Having the responsibility but never getting the appreciation. Am I reading too deep into it? Don't answer. I like over thinking. And super heroes.
>>80936291
the middle one's cute. you can see his face peeking out. however, are those flower petals? because they look like his hair, but that makes no sense
>>80936647
that's how it was originally going to be with homer and bart. they were going to make homer secretly krusty
>>80936817
Well, Thank you anon.
And yes, That is his hair.
>>80937025
so the plant's just sort of kind enough to open something up in the back of its face covering to let his hair out.. and in return he's nice enough to grow it in a petal style
>>80937081
What anon?
Can you say that again?
>>80937195
he has plantmatter all wrapped around his head.. but it's letting his hair stick out in back. that's very nice of it to leave room when it looks like it's just wrapped around.
>>80935992
like dewd said, too many pages!
what's about 50 - 60 pages or less?
>>80937647
It isn't plant matter.
That is hospital bandages.
>>80938563
You guys could like, story time a chapter or something.
Chapter 15 is a good 50 pages.
okay page test done
how's it look?
>>80932211
good to see kittyboy again
>>80935952
if you guys want, id love to see my comic storytimed when its ready, it be a great source of reaction and feedback and im sure some others want that too
maybe we can storytime every month on rotation or something
>>80936291
if he's burnt from head to toe i really like the hidden faces of the first and third ones, maybe the head of the third with the body of the first
>>80928719
Well, I like anything with either good writing or good art. I rarely dislike anything unless it's got bad writing AND bad art.
If I had to be more specific, I'd say bad pacing is what can really ruin a comic. I read a lot of manga so it's an issue I encounter pretty often. On the other hand being accustomed to rahter long-running series, western comics tend to feel a bit rushed or underdeveloped to me.
I especially notice this when comparing cape to action manga. While the manga action scenes are usually pretty long, thought out and even complicated, the obligatory ""fight"" scenes in cape comics are almost always just one or two double-spreads of the characters throwing awkward poses. It has no flow at all.
I guess that's what I get for being a weaboo faggot.
>>80938696
oh okay. well, then the same thing goes basically. youd have to be really careful with those bandages to let the hair puff out like that. probably not possible
when you said trapped by a monster i thought it had wrapped itself around him. My bad
>>80930876
That last panel is excellent, keep it up.
I always wonder though, do you keep the lettering this messy intentionally? I find it pretty hard to read...
>>80939720
But, that is good idea.
Thank anon for that great idea.
>when you spendconsiderablymore time glossing/reading over the comic you're working on than actually working on it
tell me i'm not alone
>>80940599
if only. i cant bear looking at it long. but i cant stick with it very long either
>>80940599
>when you fuck up your post
that's one feel i know
>>80940654
that means it's shit
Does anyone else have the problem that they sometimes think of amazing scenes without having a framework for it? They just pop into my head out of nowhere and I spent sometime fleshing them out down to poses, composition, even paneling not knowing anything about context.
Then I take a step back and think: Yeah, this is a great climax for chapter 27 of this story that doesn't exist.
When I come up with a consistent story at all it's usually reverse-engineered from several random scenes like that...
>>80940827
M-maybe that anon is just overly critical and his stuff is actually amazing...
>>80940987
that anon is both overly critical and right!
>>80940927
not only do i think of those, i have tons of them written down and no idea how to lead up to them
>>80941207
Everyone has those "cool scenes" or "awesome moments" they want to do. The hard part is the legwork building up to that; that's what actual story telling is. If you can only imagine single scenes that are in all likelihood a mishmash of tropes that you've seen in other stories in the past, that makes you a stupid ideas guy.
>>80941207
Do you have a sketch book or scripts on your pc or just notes?
I don't keep track of the stuff enough and I've probably forgotten dozens of chapters worth of good material over the years...
When you think of a scene is more visual or dialogue / character based?
>>80941543
well i think it's more that, in an attempt to be more than just a 'eh some stuff happens and i have some good ideas' guy, i try to think of something that might actually impress an audience, but GETTING to that point is another matter
>>80941596
just notepad documents.
if it's too visual to write down, i sketch it. but usually i dont think of visual stuff ahead of time. not beyond 'a neat costume idea or hairstyle'
>>80941207
>>80941543
>>80941957
Oh god.
If I didn't have the drawing skills of an epilleptic 8-year-old I'd sit down right now and not stop churning out chapters until after easter's over...
I come to these threads only to torture myself I think.
>>80942314
eh. do what you can for now. draw me a snowman whose friend is a disembodied eyeball. what kinda shit would they get up to?
>>80942314
Do you see it? The thing that festers in everyone, protecting us while at the same time holding us back. Anyone can learn to draw, but some go their whole lives without being able to see it. And if you can see it, it's only a matter of time for you. Not an "if", but "when".
>>80942479
Sounds like a job for Shigeru Mizuki
>>80942649
>Shigeru Mizukirest in peace
>>80942479
O-okay then.
1/3
>>80943215
He had a hell of a life.
>>80943468
That is not a disembodied eyeball, it is clearly a eye fruit from that tree. All the vision benefits of a carrot in one oversized disgusting fruit.
>>80943468
wow, what program is that?
either way it's a great start for how you can easily realize how much better at drawing you could become.
and yet you're already showing some good things, look how he leans into the run in >>80943493 and you've creatively come up with his lower ball spinning (?). those are good signs.
>>80943556
okay, that's an interesting punchline.
>been working 30+ hours a week working for the man
>bought cintiq 13 with dosh to git gud at drawing
>manager called me in for an extra day next week
>I also go to school
reeeee...
>>80943722
save it all up, man. you'll need it when you burn out and can't work anymore.
>>80943589
Thanks.
I've read just as many comics as most /co/ users so something as basic as this is not hard to come up with. I just can't draw for shit that's the problem.
The program is a shitty app called "draw". The accuracy is terrible but it's good enough for a quick scribble...
>>80943722
I've seen this mentioned several times, is it common to actually buy these kinds of programs even though they seem to be pricey?
Are there no torrents or something?
>>80943722
>>bought cintiq 13 with dosh to git gud at drawing
The Cintiq's not going to magically make you better at drawing. You know that, right?
>>80943899
okay well whatever an 'app' is, you need to use a better tool. then we can work on keeping your shapes stable. that's why i gave you a prompt involving circles.
>>80944138
he didnt mention any programs
>>80943722
>>bought cintiq 13 with dosh to git gud at drawing
>>80939718
no you're right
a lot of comics have terrible pacing, and though its understandable because the chapters are generally much shorter than manga, its still bad
A friend of mine draws a comic in various sketchbooks, shes super secretive about it and I can only get bits and pieces when shes not paying attention or I actually steal her books or when shes asleep at my place...
if you guys wanna know about it let me know.
>>80945862
you have a female friend sleeping over at your place. dont fucking ruin that. be a mensch.
but by all means try to boost her self-esteem and convince her to publish it
>>80945862
please post her comics, you can tell a lot about a person from their work. it would be cool to see any comic here, that's what these threads are for.
but I believe i speak for all when I say stories with high sexual tension are also acceptable.
>>80945862
convince her to let you post some here, even one
its anonymous so its less pressure and she gets honest critique
>>80946090
>>80946520
>>80947554
She won't let me post em, i would have to scan them when she's asleep.
She doesn't even like the fact i have seen them. Or read what i have read.
>>80947850
gotta work on that first, man
>>80947850
well give us the deetz at least u teasin cunt
>>80947973
I thought the plots would be interesting to share, to be honest its some sick shit.
>>80939718
Definitely this. A dispersive narrative is the worst thing for a comic.
>>80947998
SHARE IT NIGGA U TEASIN LIKE A PHAT ASS FINNA POP OUT SOME SKINNY JEANS
>>80947983
Well there doesn't seem to be main characters, perspective jumps around a lot, the world is modern day but has fantasy races and monsters as well. One of the storylines i got to read a lot of involved a group of people called trackers, were hunting down vampires and slaughtering them indiscriminately, even though only a single vampire was actually murdering people. A guy who is a reincarnation of an ancient necromancer who is cursed to slowly transform into a skunk monster and his androgynous demon friend got caught up in the trackers murdering a hive, put on masks and tried help the vampires when the murderous vampire shown up and started killing the trackers and vampires alike, the necromancer and demon manage to save a female vampire who's legs were broken by a tracker so the necromancer has to piggyback her around as they try to get to their car, that's when she took the sketchbook from me, there's more arcs and stories, and all her sketchbooks seem to be the same universe, its frustrating because i haven't read many complete stories of hers, she's so shy ever since she gave up on a digital art career
>>80948440
>she's so shy
oh BABY break that wall down
>>80942479
your not very creative are you?
>>80943468
>>80943493
>>80943556
>>80948440
it's like straight out a manga. i think u should tell her you loved it and want to see more. it will be the start of a magical romance where love inspires her pen to move again. nurture that bitch till she starts nurturing your DICK
>>80948559
I am trying, she wont budge
for interactive comics, how does one deal with too many commands? like if there are three suggestions but you only plan to do one at a time?
>>80948745
>implying poster is a guy
>>80948440
You should respect her private stuff. She has a reason not to show people, and probably a good one. Let me guess, you think her art is amazing and think ppl should read it? She probably knows a lot of people would l8ve her stuff, but aims higher. Leave her be.
>>80948943
>implying he isn't
fug i can't fap to /u/
Alright so I'm trying to start my first webcomic, it's about an imaginary friend named "Reddie", who is a fuzzy red monster who loves fun, yet she hates her owner, Amelia, who is miserable and hot tempered. Reddie then hangs out with Amelia's neighbor, Eric, who loves fun and has no imaginary friend. So the two hang out, yet I don't know what direction I should take this.
Yet to tell you the truth, I don't know what to do with this, I always get these ideas, draw some sketches but then I have no idea what to do next.
Should I just think of the ending first then start with the beginning?
>>80949008
just draw something draw a lot of stuff man.
>>80948940
people understand their suggestion won't be taken every single time. they'd rather you just get on with it, do whichever one you choose, then they can give ANOTHER command. the fun is giving lots of commands and then finally yours gets in
>>80949008
an imaginary friend who doesnt get along with the kid that imagined them, but gets along with a different kid? that's nuts man. that is.. probably a unique concept. I don't think i've ever heard that before
>think of the ending first?
I would say think of the satisfying reveals here. The explanations. the reasons for this happening. Then work towards how you lead up to those. I mean how would a situation like that be solved? what does it MEAN? is amelia not really miserable and mean inside? is Reddie proof of that? are they going to sort of.. give her therapy?
>>80949041
well put
thank you so much
>>80949073
>an imaginary friend who doesnt get along with the kid that imagined them, but gets along with a different kid? that's nuts man. that is.. probably a unique concept. I don't think i've ever heard that before
Yeah, I'm trying to do this where Amelia was once happy but SOMETHING happened, the only person that knows is Reddie, yet whenever she tries make Amelia happy or to get past it, she still wants to stay miserable.
So she starts hanging around Eric, who dealt with a lot but was always happy and liked fun, so whenever Amelia would get mad and want to be alone, Reddie sneaks off to Eric.
Sorta like Reddie cheating on Amelia as an imaginary friend in some comedic way.
>I would say think of the satisfying reveals here. The explanations.
Great advice, I'll need to really think of some good reveals with not only Amelia but Reddie too. I thought about making it really dark but I don't know.
(Might change the name Reddie too, I just made that name out of nowhere)
>>80949241
at least make it reddy. -ie endings are so .. infantile. then again that might be the point, if she came up with her when she was way younger
man the idea of something YOU imagine going off and doing shit on its own that you dont know about is kinda messed up, or maybe wonderful, in its implication.
>>80949008
I've got characters in Ennui GO! like that.
>>80949360
oh shit, targetsack doll guy is an imaginary friend? I thought he was just... cursed.
>>80949008
>yfw it turns out she had stopped imagining her a long time ago and now he's the one imagining her.
>then it turns out theyre both imaginary because amelia died
>but it was all just a snowglobe fantasy
How should I draw a webcomic? I mean like the height and width, I hate doing my method where I'm drawing a damn 1000x1000 picture then i gotta resize it because I was too dumb to do it right
>>80949339
Great advice, I'll try to get something down and throw up some test strips for later in the week
how many platforms is too many?
like having various accounts on different sites
and youd have to update each one with the same news
>>80950483
post on em all jimmy
>>80950483
In the beginning it's better to sow your wild oats
Then when you're popular it's easier to draw all of your audience back to one site
>What completely turns you away from a comic, no matter how well its written or how good it is?
Slooooooooooow update schedule. I'd love to get into Lackadaisy Cats, it looks funny and gorgeous, but with months between updates I'd forget everything that had been going on
>What turns you towards?
If it's not very well-written or good, signs of genuine enthusiasm/desire to get better from the artist can persuade me to stick around
>>80931758
I always thought her dress was just wide but dem legs are T H I C K
>>80939888
Well, it's not so much that I keep it intentionally messy as that I don't want to clean it up before I'm absolutely sure about the phrasing. I usually get a lot of ideas for how to improve the dialogue while I'm working on a page, and it would be a pain to have to erase cleaned-up lettering that I'd spent a lot of time on.
>>80944176
the cintiq 13 is pretty much an app
>>80950483
2 platforms is too many. You only need but one site.
>>80951063
>but with months between updates I'd forget everything that had been going on
This is exactly why I haven't touched Lackadaisy in... I honestly think it's two years, at this point.
It's a shame, because Tracy Butler is a great artist. And with that I mean she actually does a lot of research about what to draw. It's on the level of obsessive Eurocomic artists, honestly. Most people would just go "1930's prohibition? That's fedora's and tommyguns, right?" but Butler does stuff like mention some radio in the background is anachronistic by a period of maybe ten years, but she put it in because it looks cool. Or she gives a short history of bakelite. Point is, she knows her stuff.
BUT... I really hate the pacing of Lackadaisy. It feels like one of those webcomics that's just never going to get to the point. And if you're only going to give me a few pages a year, you can't waste them on characters being cute. And I understand that's the appeal of the comic, but it also has the semblance of plot in there. You've got Freckle, or whatever his name is, being crazy on the front page, but for most of the comic (until he picked up a tommygun) he was a young, PTSD-riddled veteran who jumped at his own shadow. Shit, girl, get to the point!
>What completely turns you away from a comic, no matter how well its written or how good it is?
As seen above. Bad pacing. A lot of webcomic artists seem to be under the impression that, because they're not producing for a limited number of pages, they have to pack every inconsequential moment in there. Sometimes this gets really bad. There's this zombie comic where one year in real life seems to roughly correspond with one day in the comic. So this is a post-apocalyptic comic set in an apocalypse so fresh that the power hasn't even gone out yet. And where the main character should have been bed-ridden for its entire run, on account of her broken fucking ribs. That sort of shit just really takes me out of it.
Bampz.
why is choosing colours so fucking hard to me? Almost done with this.
>>80928234
what turns me away immediately is when the comic starts with pages and pages of lore and introduction and prophecies and poetry overlaid on random imagery.
does anyone in this thread have some advice on what to do when you have too many story ideas and cant commit to any of them. as much as id like to work on all of them i know i need to decide on one in particular, but im having a hard time deciding what that one should be.
Hey....why there aint any "How's Your Animation" thread? We could use these around.
>>80954569
Pick the shortest one.
>>80954652
Not a lot of people making animation.
>>80954652
The HYWC threads basically grew out of the "Work On Your Art" threads, so you could post animation studies in there for starters. When there's enough people making animations to warrant a whole new kind of thread, then you can start "How's Your Animation".
>>80944159
People love Cintiq's because they refuse to learn to draw without staring directly at their hand, which older tablets are good for.
>>80943821
I know it takes both time and effort to get better. I bought it because I wanted something more comfortable
>>80953347
your colors are too white i think
i like your font btw. how is it called?
>>80954569
pick the best one. post premises here and we can help you pick.
>>80955764
oh man, that's amazing! Thanks. Here's what I've managed. I've switched from blue to pink bg a couple hours ago but seeing your example I'll probably switch back.
The font is called Manly Men and it's free on blambot; I love it.
>>80956167
Colors being too white-ish is a common side effect of starting out with a pure white background. In the future, try making everything medium-value grey or tan and work from there.
>>80949694
if you were drawing 1000x1000 you wouldnt need to resize it. start much bigger than that. 1800 width at least if youre doing a vertical strip. if not more
>>80951776
what? it's hardware
>>80953347
you're really gunning hard for brandon graham's look
a little too hard with the surrounding outside the border details I think
>>80954652
someone tried that last week
>>80953347
>pi-jama
heh
>>80955150
i'm cool with that, i just mean in general. save your cash.
>>80954569
Write them down, set them aside for later. What you may have is half of an idea, or only enough of an idea for a few good pages. If you write it down, let it sit, and think on it, you may find a way to improve one of them, or even better, roll multiple ideas into one product.
>>80953091
I really really like your comic
Is the discord chat still around? I logged into discord the other day and it wasn't in my chats, but I haven't posted in months so I doubt I did anything to get kicked
>>80959589
It's more active than ever. What's your old username and when did you join?
>>80928234
What's the best program for making a webcomic? Is there any that you prefer or just any old art program?
>>80959589
I think the admin recently purged inactive members.
>>80960296
Lots of people here use Manga/Clip Studio and seem to like it.
>>80960296
I use painttool sai for art and photoshop for lettering.
>>80960574
Allow me to rephrase. What's the best free program?
>>80960650
Try Krita or GIMP.
>>80959766
>>80960574
Ah, that would make sense. I didn't post very often, but I loved to follow the chat and other people's progress.
If I could get re-added, I'm Mr. Machine on Discord. Aiming to launch my webcomic this summer, so I should be much more active by the end of this semester.
>>80960804
https://discord.gg/0ckxsOeUFToErWgO
30 mins invite
HURRY
>>80960650
Come on man, MS is like 15 dollars.
>>80960884
thanks!
>>80960650
they're all free. it's 2016
>>80961132
ha, well put
>>80960944
but yeah it goes on sale frequently. it is so worth getting.
>>80962098
Ruthless, but true.
>>80962098
>angry anon banned from /hyw/ chat finally loses it
wew lad
>>80962184
>>80962189
>replying to it with anything but a sensible chuckle
>>80962098
wew lad
>>80962098
wew lad
>>80962189
No one's been banned in a long while, your rationalization is shit.
>>80962248
wew lad
>>80962248
wew lad
>>80962387
>filename not 「Man in the Mirror」
>>80962321
>MY NAME IS SCRIBBLEHATCH
Friend on skype told me to check out the thread real quick and I guess this was why.
Alright, have a nice day everyone. u:
>>80962538
Wait don't go.
We love you.
>>80962560
(i don't think the real one is going)
>>80962538
nobody took it seriously, any more than they took >>80935992 seriously. you didnt even need to respond to it really.
>>80962597
You don't GET it, man! He HAS to respond to EVERYTHING that's about him! He HAS to!
>>80962597
>seriously. you didnt even need to respond to it really.
Probably not. But meh?
>>80962098
well said friend. there are some seriously garbage comics here
>>80962641
Only if his name is said.
>>80962736
And if you look into a mirror at midnight and say his name 3 times, he appears, says "bad form," and asks you to email him before disappearing into the aether.
>>80962834
>forcing memes
http://glymlo-land.tumblr.com/
yet another update
next one is wednesday.
>>80962996
I hate to break it to you, anon...
All memes are forced.
>>80962996
eh that was actually pretty funny. there's a lotta shitposting going on just this minute but that aint it
>>80963462
>eh that was actually pretty funny.
Really? What's the joke?
>>80963566
I'll email it to you.
Posted in the Batman thread, got no feedback, basically trying to "loosen up". First image (top left two panels) is from a autobio comic I'm working on, very minimal pencilling and inked with a fixed-width pen (.30 rapidograph I use for speech bubbles, usually--figured it'd do me good to step out of comfort range tools-wise), will be "coloured" with one shade of screentone (LOVE using that stuff). Image on right is from a story I'm redrawing (basically 'cause of line quality--inking with a Hunt 102 but want to keep a "spidery" line without TOO much width variation, though I do want some) 5 pages of. Again, trying to be looser and not render as much as my "usual" style, the bottom left image which is my ongoing comic "Roger Recovery" which is a bit tighter, blueline, then graphite, then inked with a Hunt 108 (really flexible crowquill nib originally for calligraphy I believe, loadsa cartoonists use 'em, though, I like their line quality a lot). Any feedback, criticism etc is appreciated. My art isn't supposed to be "pretty", I'd rather be a good cartoonist than a good artist if you get the distinction? Like I make sure my lettering's always tip-top, to me it's as much a part of the art as the actual drawings.
>>80963593
You don't get to call your own jokes funny.
>>80963937
he just made another funny. you need to recognize those. that's our only cure against the niggerfaggots that startedt his bulldonk
>>80963678
I always love seeing your stuff. My only issue is the drawings don't always read because they're so nuanced on every plane - I'd try scanning them in, white to transparency, locking opacity, and making those lines lighter shades of gray as they recede into the background. But, assuming you wanna keep it traditional - you could also try using tone, rather than line, to illustrate planes further away from the viewer (kind of like so - http://www.tcj.com/color-workbook-1/)
I really love the illustration on the right, though - the guy in profile gives me a Clowes vibe.
>>80963937
If only you could see yourself as others do.
>>80964350
Oh, okay, I get what you mean, thanks! And thanks very much for the kind words familia means a lot.
Love Santoro's theories on comics. I've made a few of his "composition aids" (y'know the overlapping circles, diagonals etc) that I sometimes bust out if I've done a4 size roughs to check composition and stuff...always been intruiged by the Kurtzman method (adopted by Bagge and Spiegleman and more) of tracing paper, different colour pencil for each layer, and refining the page w/each layer...I think Charles Burns uses it as well? Then I'm in awe of guys like Jaime Hernandez who can just "plop out" a few incredibly loose, sketchy lines and then produce a beautiful page when they go to ink...Clowes was talking about looking at some of his original Jaime pages on a lightbox and not seeing any white-out anywhere...
Trying to work up the courage to do a colour comic or at least a two-or-three colour comic--but can't decide on the medium. I did think about getting lineart scanned onto acetate and colouring on the reverse? Apparently Dash Shaw did that for some of his Mome/Unclothed Man stories.....
Anyway, thanks again!
Rebump.
>>80958896
Thanks, man.
did a little redesign, what thinketh thou?
>>80967642
Looking good.
>>80967642
Legs and torso are a big improvement.
>>80967694
>>80967719
thanks
>>80967642
His smile and optimism: gone
>>80967642
hmmm i dunno man it's different but the only part that really looks better is the chest chevron. and i guess I like the pauldrons too. i kinda wanna help you with this.
9th update on time on a row woooo
How long does it usually take you to finish a page? I've really been trying to simplify my style to make things quicker and open up to different poses.
>>80960650
FireAlpaca and MediBang Paint Pro are small, fast, free, and come with comic page layout functions.
At the time of this post, Clip Studio Paint (aka Manga Studio 5) is still on sale for 60% off, for the next 7 hours.
$20 for Pro, $87 for EX.
http://www.clipstudio.net/en/purchase
>>80968121
was almost expecting some kind of treatise on mammal and reptile skin types
an itch ray is like, my worst nightmare.
>>80967642
Where are my balls, Summer?
>>80968355
Depending on the complexity, I usually clock in at 12-20 hours before I'm really satisfied with a page. Pic related was about 17, but that's including some panel revisions and some complicated textures in panels 5 and 6.
Probably not very useful for you though if you're trying to make something simpler.
>>80963593
Topkek
>>80968778
Although not ENTIRELY my cuppa tea subject-wise, I really like your style and your pages are very visually appealling. Real depth to your panels, foreground, middleground, background, and that's less common than most people would think it is. I like how it doesn't look too "digital" either.
>>80967802
dogs in robot suits are serious business
>>80967899
go for it dude
>>80968614
i only plagiarize from the best
>>80970013
okay cool lemme see if I can sorta make something that looks similar and is still easy to draw... just my interp. if nothing else call it fanart.
>>80970139
here check this out.. some of the perspective is terrible but i feel like this is a good interpretation of the design. see with this the legs could crouch down like a dog's do
and really the arms could even be more like the legs, they dont have to be tubes.. i dunno. just an idea
>>80970791
oh and also, if you drew a line across the waist, it could have a swivel there. that way one of the arms could quickly point directly forward for pinpoint aiming with what i assume are guns in the hands (going by the 'before') and also for spinning enemies around and throwing them. though obviously you'd want the cockpit anchored to the pelvis so the poor dog doesnt get dizzy
Alright, how do I write good dialogue? I need to convey a lot of information about a character naturally based on vocal interaction on a single page.
>>80971190
i've heard some people say it's good to imply things, to say them without saying them. like all it takes is someone being addressed with a certain title or saying a simple phrase and it tells a whole story about them. what's the information in question?
>>80971286
Here's what I need, basically
>character is adopted by loving mother and father. Parentage is important due to species difference
>currently, only the mother is present, the father has already left for work
>the character is a well meaning troublemaker, and while this is seen as charming most times, there is an air of danger that causes the mother to gently warn them
>>80971427
shit i think you could do that in one sentence
>"your father and i love you like you were our own (cub/kitten/etc),
this only works if the kid was adopted at an old enough age to remember it
>and even though he's halfway to work by now I know he's already worrying about what trouble you've gotten up to this week"
Oh God these brushes are out of control ahhhhh.
Also, I can't believe I basically made a bi-racial, bi-cultural snarky girl with dyed hair, unshaven legs and tattoos and named her TOKEN without ever noticing before now. Oh man.
>>80969756
Thanks! I had a lot of trouble with staging when I started out, so you saying that means a lot to me. I'm afraid I don't quite understand the goal of your style to a point where I can make any intelligent comments about it. Maybe it feels like you're going a bit over board with the haloing on the black objects in >>80963678, like the double white outline where the fence passes over the shadows and windows of the background.
>>80971427
First one is easy - have the character call her "mom". If you can, incorporate a bunch of happy family photos on the wall of their home in the background or on a table or dresser in the foreground.
Second and third, maybe have the mom threaten to tell his dad about this mischief when he gets home. If you have the space, have show the mother going "oh, that kid" with a smile until she realizes it might be more serious than usual.
>>80971717
there's a norse word for token?
>>80971998
Nah, "Thogn" means "silence". But it looks a lot like and is pronounced a lot like "token".
I didn't notice before now because I'd been using the modern Icelandic spelling by accident (Thögn).
>>80953347
Love your gun designs. Do you watch a lot of Cronenberg? I always wanted to do something similar to the gun-assembly scene from Existenz if I ever get to make a fully-fledged comic...
>>80972095
hehehe, fantastic.
>>80972326
What's more, the general theme I wanted for her was "unlikely coincidences".
Stranger than fiction, indeed.
>>80956167
I kind of like this, fuck, fuck, FUCK digital lettering, though. It's so careless, to me. It's as much as a part of your art as your "actual" drawing. And don't give me the : "but I have really bad handwriting!" excuse. I don't care. At least it has PERSONALITY. Get a fucking Ames guide and do it by hand.
Sorry but shitty cookie cutter digital letterr=ing really riles me, Anon. You're doing your own artwork a disservice by using someone else's boring bullshit. YOU'RE BETTER THAN THAT AND IT'S OBVIOUS BY LOOKING AT YOUR FUCKING DRAWING SKILLS!!!
>>80957792
I thought that a bit. But you could say that abot Liz Suburbia and she has a book out from Fanta, so....
>>80960296
There's this weird program called paper, pencil and ink that some people use...I hear it's a bit of an "industry secret", though.
>>80971717
I guess the "goal" is to tell interesting stories clearly. I just finished redrawing that page...the halo-ing is supposed to separate the fields of vision; you're the second to comment so I reckon it isn't working!
Maybe I should just stick to bottom left style....
am i banned
>>80973393
guess not
show of hands
how many people absolutely cannot draw a building being smashed without mentally playing the pokemon theme
>our courage will pull us throuuugh
>>80970791
i do like the legs, i'm probably going to be doing a bit of work on the design so i might just end up copying you
>>80973621
are you 13?
>>80973739
please do! I'm happy to help. i like flexing my mecha muscles from time to time.
>>80973774
I was once. and when I was holy SHIT did I love pokemon.
Inking and watching Dare Devil
1/2
Wip
>>80973980
2/2
Character design.
>>80973980
>>80973994
shit dude if i recognize your art, you are getting better.
also i can't be the only one that read it as 'banned from space' at first. and now i need to see that.
>>80974055
Thanks, man.
anybody doing anything for easter?
>>80974327
Hheheeh
i never know when easter is. i don't think i've ever done an easter comic even though i've done a comic on at least three easters
>>80974366
its the 27th this year i believe, my comics just so young i thought i might as well hit all the holidays for one year
>>80974461
sounds like a plan, raccoon stan.
>>80974327
>You're not even the best raccoon-themed hero in this state. I'd rather hang out with The Procyonid Kid
>But that's me! that's just a name I workshopped before this one!
>>80972491
Nah, pen and paper is for people like you who can actually draw. But those are the minority among webcomics...
>>80974519
beaten by herself, truly tragic
>>80974537
Gonna need some ointment and bandages for that sick burn, bro...
>>80974537
Sorry,I'm drunk on (medicinal) whisky (full of manflu), I missed the : "people like you" part...sorry for being a hugely defensive ProngLord, Anon (and thanks for the compliment, senpai).
ALCOHOL RUINS LIVES!
wooo finally all plotted out, and now time for lineart.
i mean bump
>>80976762
bullshit, post proof that you haven't just been slacking
>>80928234
A boy falls in love with a girl.
Unable to confess, he is gifted by a deus ex machina with the girl's phone number. Never minding the strange area code, he immediately calls her, and is overjoyed to find out that she has a crush on him as well.
But, the next day, when he recounts the previous day's confessions to the girl, she only looks at him with a perplexed expression. After some investigation, he finds out that the girl he called is not the same girl he fell in love with. In fact, she doesn't exist in this universe at all. She is the girl's alternate universe counterpart, who has fallen in love with the MC's own AU self, who too is blissfully unaware of her crush.
Hijinks ensue as the two strike up a deal to give each other their darkest, most private secrets in order to equip the other with the weapons they need to conquer the heart of their other selves. While the two chase their respective loved ones, DRAMA ensues as they begin to fall in love with each other instead and question the NATURE of LOVE.
OP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NShEKYoPXw
ED 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIX9aoN7g4o
ED 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZHiGLt7g8E
PV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcVGDV67L-g
Keit愛: 君の名は。: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBBrZ3d2sJE
>>80977272
Finally. The triumphant return.
>>80972245
I literally wanted to call the gun Cronengun but it sounded too similar to that episode when Rick n Morty Cronenberg up the place.
That scene from Existenz is always an inspiration.
>>80972491
Thank you, you're right, but my handwriting is really, really, really bad. It took me ages to write the one or two handlettered things here. I'm so bad that in middle school teachers would call my parents in tears. I'm practicing in the meanwhile and maybe I'll be able to switch to handlettering in the future.
>>80977400
Oh and just for completeness, these are the colours I went with in the end, not perfect but will do. Sorry for spamming up
>tfw you bust your ass to complete a comic
>you make a mistake
>no one can get past that one mistake and read the rest of the comic
>can't even post it here because it's porn.
>>80978042
then go and fix that mistake
happyness free for everyone and let no one be left behind.
>>80968355
it depends. lately, it's been forever.
So I had a really fucked up childhood. Like almost cartoonishly fucked up. Would anyone be interested in reading cute comics about it?
>>80978551
it all comes down to if you can do a comic well
and if you can, sure why not
