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>>8983272
>>9001709
Also:
>Heed advice on armour
>say no to dickswords
>put a hilt on your boffers
>learn to dance you schlub
>>9001766
Forgot my pic
>>9001709
>>9001766
And stories
>in the human's flanking group
>rushing the orcs flank
>only a few unfortunate small orcs able to greet us
>run up to the nearest orc
>my warcry makes him tip over
So much for being a fearless warrior of the dark.
Any guides on how to make surcoats?
>>9001683
That sounds helpful, thanks!
Okay so...there was this ultra cringefest they have the balls to call
''Salon de la passion médievale et historique''
basically a con about medieval and history in general.
'xcept... its cringy as fuck and each year more and more of the exposant sell shitty larp stuff.
and the people attending it....holy fucking shit people cant you just accept that steampunk will never be big.
Cant you just accept that nobody except your furry friends want to see your furry costume?
Starting now, i will now consider anyone in a fursuit as sexually harassing me by its mere presence.
>>9001998
shit, i had a reason to go out of my self-imposed hermitage and its not even in the current thread.
Enough with being inclusive and nice to people.
Some people do not deserve to spend time in company of others.
The video in question.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjqifar21jw&feature=share
Activate your cringe google thank god if you dont speak french.
Fuck i hate larpers.
i promise to physically hurt anyone wearing a leather armor this summer.
>>9002062
> thank god if you dont speak french.
Non. Dieu est boulevrs.
But really, thats about your average American renfair, with more slightly more self important nerds.
>>9001966
http://tutorials.abbott.me.uk/high-quality-kit/how-to-make-a-surcote
This shit right here.
>>9002062
>i promise to physically hurt anyone wearing a leather armor this summer.
Depends on the armor m8. Skall released a video that actually showed that very thick hardened leather armor is actually some pretty tough shit and will reliably stop swords.
Question about the SCA - are large two handed swords and axes allowed in modern SCA heavy list? I saw the one picture of Gropeys dad and some dudes project for a college class in the 90s that showed a big combat with guys using huge rattan swords. I've only seen polearms at the handful of events I've attended.
BTW been wondering, what helmets are these?
>>9002244
Oh course! Greatswords, great axes, polearms, spears, maces, hammers, axes....
I love playing with greatsword and bastard sword in one on one, but its a rarity on the melee field due to the extreme amount of skill it takes to be effective. Also: Arrows.
>>9002311
A vague approximation of specialized tournament helms, as drawn by an artist who does not have any knowledge of armour, and was comissioned to draw a battle scene.
He only knew one helmet, and didn't know it wasn't used in war.
Welcome to the world of research interpretation of material sources, AKA: Can't trust everything as documentation.
>>9002335
Keep in mind, good, SCA safe gaunts are costly, as even the simpler ones float in the $200 range.
Its worth the money on good gaunts though, and the opening of the East Euro market is helpful of "fugly but cost effecient and safe".
Dumping sexy SCA wasters
>>9002342
>>9002357
>>9002342
Shipping on eastern europe stuff is murder. I was originally planning to order a shitload of stuff from them, but holy shit is the shipping costly.
>>9002335
>I love playing with greatsword and bastard sword in one on one, but its a rarity on the melee field due to the extreme amount of skill it takes to be effective. Also: Arrows.
Also, this is the only thing I hate about SCA/Laping. If you're wearing plate armor of quality, you should be fucking laughing off arrows and not need a shield. There's a reason why Men of Arms switched to polearms over one handed weapons coupled with a shield. Armor advanced. Sorry archerfags, but you guys really shouldn't be even relevant unless there's a couple hundred of you.
>>9002360
Thats why you need to get lots of folks in on it at once, and buy bulk where they ship freight.
>>9002363
Its the exception we make to make the game playable. If you want to fight where armour actually means something, feel free to join me in ACL/IMCF.
The SCA DOES field several hundred archers at a time. Pennsic gets 1000+ per side. And we have siege engines.
>>9002366
>>9002369
>>9002062
>Fuck i hate larpers.
larpers are the ones who ruined larping after all. Fuck them.
>>9002377
Fookin' lahpahs!
>>9002363
>Sorry archerfags, but you guys really shouldn't be even relevant unless there's a couple hundred of you.
Woah woah woah, hold up there. You're right that good plate armor should allow you to shrug off a lot of stuff, arrows included, but let's not sell archers short just to be contrarian here.
>>9002363
>muh realism
By that logic i should be allowed to shoot you in the face.
Also, average larp armor wouldn't do diddly against a longbow and an armor piercing arrow.
I bought a mask designed to look like a flayed human face worn over your own, but i cant figure out how the straps work. Its two bands with a metal ring on it.
Like the ( is the mask, the ---s the lines then they both pass through the ring 0
(----
( 0
(----
Before i pull apart and redo the straps myself, does anyone have any idea what im talking about and how to fasten it properly?
>>9002363
>Also, this is the only thing I hate about SCA/ and some specific Larps.
fixed that for you
How difficult will it be to see through this visor? Anyone used such a helm before?
>>9002796
you will see everything that you need to see if it's the correct size with correct padding so our eyes at the right height
>>9002703
Post a pic, git
>>9002815
Wish i could, phone is malfunctioning and turns off whenever i use the camera function. Guess ill come back when i have a camera available.
>>9002796
Just fine... That is a combat helm. We literally had a conversation about shovel faces last thread.
I wish kettle helmets looked better. They're so great in any aspect but looks
>>9002796
Dude that visor is like the best you can get for viability. It's also why it probably wasn't used in any military context however because it's incredibly easy to slide a shiv down into your eyes, compared to say, this.
>>9002880
You shut your whore mouth.
>>9002921
>it probably wasn't used in any military context
Aside from the fact that is a modern extrapolation, that style of bascinet is a combat helmet. Larger, open oculars are actually a hallmark of combat helms vs. tournament helms.
>because it's incredibly easy to slide a shiv down into your eyes, compared to say, this.
That visor and bevour exist so that after the charge, you could raise the visor to have greater battlefield viability with moderate facial protection. The overwhelming majority of helmets throughout history lack any sort of facial protection at all.
>>9002927
Kettle helmets are absolute shit, only fit for peasant levies and slavs.
Barbutes, Sallets and closehelms are superior.
Now get back to toiling on my estate.
>>9002921
How possible it is to shank a full-plated, armed resisting opponent in his eye?
>>9002970
Its not, but like every other mall ninja who thinks a quarter staff or two daggers will beat a trained, armoured man, they dont actually take the fact that their target ia actively moving, defending and attacking in return.
A dagger in the eye or arm pits is for after you have borne them to the ground with a concussion from a mass weapon or polearm.
>>9002979
Isn't it dangerous to do so? As in, while you try to finish the grounded dude, his friend might come by and swing a hammer at your head
>>9003005
Of course it is dangerous. Its combat. You wait till after the fight to finish them off, and thats only if you're not capturing to ransom them.
But for this hypothetical scenario, we assume one on one, and still the point stands that managing to jab someone in the ocular while they are actively resisting is not an easy or trivial matter.
Besides, in pitched combat, that strike from a mace/axe/polearm will do the required work of creating a casualty, either through injury or death. If you're wrestling on the ground with a dagger on the battlefield, you're in deep shit already.
>>9002927
>kettle sallet
Well when you combine it with aspects of the sexiest helm, of COURSE it's going to look better.
>>9002952
Sure I guess kettle helmets are are shit if you specifically need to hide the little manliness you have behind a sheath of metal.
>>9003134
Thats just a deep kettle and a bevor. It has nothig to do with a sallet, and is still fugly.
>>9003183
>Sure I guess kettle helmets are are shit if you specifically need to hide the little manliness you have behind a sheath of metal.
The faceplate comes off when not needed, and it can take a full shot from a lance or steel weapon.
I also, can afford the helm of a proper noble.
Cry more, peasant. How about you show me a helm that you own?
>>9003189
>I also, can afford the helm of a proper noble.
Enjoy getting your face ripped off!
#kettlemasterrace
>>9003189
>"I also, can afford the helm of a proper noble"
Fucking Knave. Pray tell us where you acquired the fund of a noble? Lest i checked you had naught the full armor of a noble nor the Steed! You are but a peasant nervously attempting to gain the stature of nobility though your blood remains dirtier than the rump end of a sow. Flee back to your fields and toil. You are nothing near nobility, even if your gut boasts of it.
>>9002415
They look and act way better than a hiltless dickbat, and you can't give me a single reason otherwise why not trying to make a boffer more sword like isn't a good thing.
>"being made of glass aside..." I'm sorry not everyone can be coated in a natural layer of blubber to protect them.
I embrace my well fed and noble shape, but that doesn't change that your hands are easily injurerd and a hilt would have helped greatly.
>>9002436
>everyone can agree that welded>riveted>butted when it comes to maile, right?
Yes. But if I can make a suggestion, if you're buying rings, but the bulk of them solid. Then all you have to do is weld 1 out of 4 rings or one out of 6.
>>9003346
Pffft. I have the finest of dward forged armour! My harness can be the third in a three way!
>>9003431
>Pray tell us where you acquired the fund of a noble?
A combination of dead family and a sponsoring armourer.
>Lest i checked you had naught the full armor
I fight typically in foot harness, yes, but my full suit (Cased greaves, new gaunts, new brigandine) are in the works. Having armour made for you takes the time that a man weaing what you own would not know.
>nor the Steed
I am a capitano of foot, with a score of trained, armed men bound to my noble house of della Scungilli. I can muster men in my colors, can you?
Pic is my colors in the crown list.
>>9003637
Pretty impressive, familia
>>9003380
Where does one get a helmet like this?
>>9003816
From some one who sells armour.
Serriously though: purpose, budget and location. Ya'll should know the drill by now
>>9002880
keep saying that and you will face a very serious headbutting contest in helmets to the death
>>9002952
you forgot emperors and kings in all your bias. But I can understand it, you need closed helmets so nobody can see your crying face as the full majesty of kettle hats shine on you
>>9002436
>Also, when I comes to maile, is there any advantage to the fancier weaves, other than esthetics, with exception of the scale mailes, I see no benefit.
The resistance, especially against piercing attacks like stabbing or arrows, is higher on those more complicated weaves since there is a higher density of rings.
But that comes with severe weight drawbacks, and also flexibility in some cases, and at that point it kinda defeats the purpose of having maille armor since flexibility is its main perk.
If its your first time then I would just recommend that you go with 4-1 european pattern since it wil give a good protection with well sized rings if it is welded or riveted. If you feel safe enough to go beyond that then I would have gone with either smaller rings for the 4-1 (it looks pretty fancy uo close) or take the more dense 6-1 european pattern since it is still relatively simple but just sakes a bit more time.
Do keep in mind that a full sized 4-1 will weigh a ton and anything beyond that will weigh a lot more and take a lot more time.
>>9003982
And while we are talking maille patterns; which pattern is your favourite/dream one /LARP/ ?
http://joshuadiliberto.com/PATTERN.html
I have a thing for 4-1 gridlock, I like the symmetric look of it.
I'm trying to build a cam cloak for a post apoc larp.
Something like a guille suit but just as a cloak. So I can hide really well, but also ditch it once combat starts.
What I'm thinking is a base of green fabric with a burlap sewed onto it and then some kind of fake foliage?
I've done a similar thing for my gun (burlap wrap, some grass and shit stuck to it) and it turned out pretty good. My character is a crazy guy who lives in the woods. The larp is in the woodlands.
>>9003994
First, thanks for that link. I had lost that page...
I'm the one who originally asked.
>>9003637
>>9003982
I've made some small sheets of maille before (that I would never think about actually using) out of bailing/mechanics wire (but that was weak and butted, and just for practice). If I'm going to start making maille, im not going to be buying rings.
>>9003994
I'll probably be going with a dragonscale weave (pic related), but so far I've only done single sized ring weaves.
![PATTERNAURA3HEXAGONSHEET[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GkXwxIm.jpg "PATTERNAURA3HEXAGONSHEET[1].jpg")
>>9003994
I'm liking this one.
Not the sturdiest, I suspect, but downright snazzy.
>>9004167
>First, thanks for that link. I had lost that page...
Your welcome.
Do remember though that not all patterns are listed there, like King's maille for example.
>>9004178
It looks good but I'd imagine the guy who came up with it being very high on something, cause trying to figure out how to make one my self gives me a headache alone.
>>9003910
>Emperors and kings
Elaborate? I thought it was only used by 'reglular' infantry and such?
Speaking of kettle helms, what armour do they go with? Only Gambesons, or can they be worn with something 'heavier' without looking out of place?
![HJRK_A_645_17555[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/swqZDTF.jpg "HJRK_A_645_17555[1].jpg")
>>9004287
the fact that museums put on a stand a flashy armour from a ruler or high noble doesn't mean that the guy had only that one armour. And most of the time they will put on the front the jousting armours as those are the ones that look better (for various reasons)
kings and emperors could afford literally hundreds of armours (obviously they didn't used all of those, some were later sent to others as presents and such) and every noble had more than one.
What I'm trying to say: there are only a very few kinds of armour that weren't worn by nobles and higher standing. Type and quality rarely go hand in hand.
As of kettle hats: they go with anything. They are better than sallets in this regard, as a sallet with a chainmail looks silly a kettle hat can go with anything. The trick is that there are a fuckton of kettle hat variants, and if we stretch the definition a little we can count morions under kettle hats too.
Anyway, on pic a kettle hat
Owner: King Ferdinand II, son of John II of Aragon 1452
>>9004322
also another trick for the kettle hat is if you go into serious fighting you can always put on some addational face protection, like a bevor or a buffe/falling buffe
Hell, even at BotN there are several kettle hats
On pic, Philip the Handsome king of Castile, son of HRE Maximilian I.
kettle hat / proto morion for a pikeman from the thirty years war
>>9002062
First 15 seconds of video: "hmmm, this is not so bad"
when suddenly FURSUIT
You know I only say how much kettles suck because of your kettlesperging, Slav-chan.
The Morion (as you mentioned, a decendent of the kettle) is my go-to hat for the various Mexican festivals.
![hb_04.3.228[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/yuF0YSp.jpg "hb_04.3.228[1].jpg")
>>9004365
try this.
If this was good enough for the Burgundians then it's good enough for you.
But you won't find one specific helmet that goes with everything because everything contains a fuckton of stuff
>>9004396
some I have them on my computer from years of saving down stuff, others from museum websites and such. After a few years you just know where to look for stuff you doesn't have already.
Anyway, you want a kettle hat that is similar to that >>9002796 then you need face protection too. A falling buffe would give the most similarity, that's roughly late 15 - mid 16 IIRC
Here is my old kettle hat with a falling buffe for reference I will dig up a better example shortly
>>9004416
also another possibility is the burgonet with or without face protection
>>9004416
Can you legit see through that thing? It looks as if it barely leaves any sight range
>>9004422
Its a properly fitted helm, so yes.
Again, I must stress the difference between tournament helms and combat helms: A combat helm will not impair your vision as much.
>>9004422
I have better vision through that than people in sallets. Especially that if I'm in a different pose I can easily see above the buffe.
Plus since I got a different helmet and a different gorget it doesn't "close up" that tightly so my eye line is most of the time above the buffe.
Although I on pics where I'm posing I always cheat a little and pose in a way so it isn't that obvious so it looks better in the pic.
But I think I have somewhere non posing pics with it too
>>9004436
oh yeah, if I'm not full frontal towards the enemy torso-wise then I can look "around" it, and have all the air I need.
also this here is a kettle hat with a bevor within a full plate set
>>9004448
yep, Drachenfest, final battle, The LKL on the left side of the pic is just try to get out of a position before the templars encircle us altogether with the copper camp (thankfully another army crashed into the templars like a rape train from the side so it gave us a chance to hit them hard)
>>9004459
Do you have example of a Kettle+Chainmail? Perhaps with a tabard or anything on it?
And that's cool. If you're going this year, I might see you there or even fight you and such
>>9004448
The past three threads has had constant discussion about them.
>>9004461
I will be in the LKL but I will drop by to the blue camp as I have friends there too.
about kettle hat with chainmail, how about this?
>>9004468
or this
>>9004468
LKL is Landsknecht camp I suppose? It's going to be my first time there, going to Gold camp.
That's... Not exactly what I meant but it looks pretty cool. How did he paint the helm? Is helm painting a legit thing?
>>9004472
yep, landsknecht camp.
And by fuck it's not only legit, most helmet were painted. It's just in the victorian era and after it historians had this idiotic idea that every armour must be SHINY instead of colorful so they scrubbed off the paints. and sometimes even the gold inlays from armours.
this one for example >>9004379
" originally may have had rich trimmings and fittings of gilt silver"
And you paint it with... paint. I painted my armour with oil and pigments but as long as it is for larping any kind of metal paint will do.
and another possibility for face protection with kettle hats, sadly this one isn't authentic but for a larp it works fine
>>9004484
fuck, forgot pic
>>9004436
>Good day ladies.jpg
Anybody know anybody who sells this form of wisby plates? Most forges I find online don't add the chains and just make the basic version without any fancy patterns either.
>>9004607
Seconded. I'm working on the plates for mine now but need a pattern for the actual fabric casing.
Apart from armor, is anyone interested in medieval carpentary? Like building chest like these (source: http://thomasguild.blogspot.de/2012/12/medieval-chests-from-kloster-isenhagen.html)?
>>9004629
My mom is. Pyrography too.
>>9004616
>First: Thats not the wisby CoP. The single chest pannle gives that away.
Then what the tits is it? A crude Corrizina?
>>9004648
No. Its still a CoP, but there are more than just that particular Wisby design.... Hell, there were 24 different style of CoP found in the Wisby dig. The pectoral plates alone in the 14thC could number between one and eight plates.
The specific reason the three-plate CoP is so popular, as it is rediculously easy to build with minimum tools. Single and double pectoral plates require dishing, and thats beyond most folks.
Heres a pattern for a two pectoral plate CoP.
>>9004660
I've wondered though, just how feasible is it to make your own COP if you can buy the plates from a kit so they're pre shaped? I know fuck-all about DIY shit and my extent of DIY stuff is hamming nails into the wall to hang a painting.
Basically, can Homer Simpson assemble it? Because it'd shave some serious money off.
>>9004664
Have you ever cut leather/fabric? Can you peen a rivet?
If no, ask your local SCA group if they have an armour night, even if you're not planning on SCA. Be frank "Hey, I want to build this for larp/costume but got no clue what im doing. plz halp?"
>>9004667
Oh well that's nice.
An no I haven't ever cut leather or fabric. Generally I have a horrible experience with projects like. I managed to flay the skin on my thumb while cutting flash off some 40k miniatures.
>>9004674
Then I would beg for help from people that know what they are doing, before you waste more money in materials than it would cost to buy it complete.
>>9004645
B-but pyrography is not "period"!
>>9004707
What the fuck are you talking about? Pyrography has been around since the stone age.
>>9004660
Anyone got refs for more things like this or useful stuff? Such as the Plume holder guide I think Gropey posted last thread and such or anything. Wanting to save
>>9004756
Yep
>>9004790
>>9004794
>>9004798
>>9004800
>>9004801
Oh, the Armour Archive pattern archive is useful too. http://www.armourarchive.org/patterns/
Not as useful as pic related.
Im going to the renaissance faire tomorrow and I must say im excited to see all the little doodads they sell. However I'm not excited to see Vikings and Romans there.
>>9004790
Shouldn't the hose be cut on the bias? Or is that style not as fitted as I assume.
>>9004756
https://picasaweb.google.com/102150401639510130489/PatternsAndStuff
>>9003637
You hath a picture on a stick, you are no more nobility than a man with the same name as a street sign. Yet you attest you acquired an inheritance, a lucky... "coincidence." Nay you bring forth the armaments of a common footsoldier which surmounts to all you could ever achieve. For narry do you have a steed, the blessings of the gods, or the armor of a king. Even lowly knights have steeds for they too must lead vassals into battle. It seems to me you scavenged that which belongs to others in an attempt to preform the pharisaical act of false adornment. Soon you will get your own, lowly peasant.
>>9003910
Kettles are definitely the best helms. Where can i buy an sca legal one which has the appearance of having no grill? potentially with welded aventail? 1.4k budget, looking for stainless. Haven't been able to find what im looking for yet.
>>9005192
Cutting the hose on a bias can change that entire pattern from 1100 AD to 1300 AD.
>>9005237
>You hath a picture on a stick
>Blah blah
>Soon you will get your own, lowly peasant.
>...
>Where do I find an SCA legal kettle with Aventail?
Well, looks like you've made some poor life choices, doesn't it?
>>9005242
No. It can be done, but we have to have complete head coverage, and three mounting points, no gaps wider than 20mm etc etc
>>9005242
Pic related.
It should also be said, kettles and chappels are actually fairly rare for both buhurt and SCA, as that rim is horrible about catching blows and torquing your neck. I'd imagine its great against falling projectiles, but a man with a batton or an axe, not so much.
>>9005355
damn
>>9005334
>No. It can be done, but we have to have complete head coverage, and three mounting points, no gaps wider than 20mm etc etc
so it can't be done without making something completely different stuff
>>9005350
>as that rim is horrible about catching blows and torquing your neck
the rim is EXCELENT for catching blows it just needs a slight angle so blows can slide off.
>>9005360
>the rim is EXCELENT for catching blows
Yes, it catches them very very well. That is the problem.
Have you ever had anyone strike your kettle at full force/with intent using a baton or a blunt?
>>9005361
no experience with batons but blunt swords were experienced. Didn't had any real problem with them.
>>9005363
I can only assume no one was actively trying to concuss you with a falchion or polearm then.
>>9005367
obviously it's sucks if people hit you in the head but no matter what helmet you wear a polearm to the head will ruin your day. But against one handed swords it's not a tragedy. Hand and a half swords survivable and twohanded ones are pretty close to polearms in this regard.
And padding is what really important if you just want to survive the hit. That's why I changed my helmet a bigger and little thicker one a few years ago so I can go against steel weapons without problem
>>9005368
Yes, padding and suspension are important, but what im trying to say- and not in a negative or bragging way- that I still dont think you're getting hit as hard as we do in SCA or ACL/IMCF.
>>9005374
then consider this: there are several people in BotN who also uses kettle hats. It can't be THAT bad if more than a few dudes use it there
>>9005377
Then consider this: they are the vast minority, and there are people in the BotN fighting without closures on their visors. Doesn't make them smart
Im not saying its not something people can't and don't do. All im but the biggest advantage of kettles (protection from falling projectiles is negated, and its still leverage against your neck that is commonly known to be disadvantageous im combat sports.
Then again, some people are willing to suffer for fashion.
>>9005237
>Insulting based clownfag in the same post as needing sca advice
>pic related
>>9005385
Its all in good fun. I'll dump some links after I get some sleep.
Though my earlier link to Mad Matt's will be a good start. He sells a decent kettle + removable grill for a great starter price.
>>9005380
obviously they offer less protection, but the better breathing they offer is a huge plus. And they are a minority only because of the serious limitations because of the rules on what kind of stuff is allowed. And yet there are several kettle hat users. And they are only in vast minority if we count closed helmets against kettle hats. If we would count the different kind of helmets then I'm not so sure that the minority would be so vast. Although for that we would need statistics of the helmets in BotN and all I have is just pictures.
>>9005237
I hate gropey with a passion but even then, I think you and your dorkinese is even worse.
>>9005398
viking helmets. Something that was fine completely ruined by it's fanbase
>>9005413
What do you mean by 'ruined'?
>>9005477
same as steampunk or vampire larps. The whiny fanboys make it impossible to look at it the same as before.
>>9005413
>>9005510
Would it be redeemable if I came down with a proper viking outfit, a full beard and braided hair and pillaged your town hungarian?
>>9005413
What do you mean by "Viking" helmets?
Spectacle helms (including pre-viking Vende-period helms as on the left >>9005523) or nasal helms (single-piece or spangen?)?
>>9005237
>the blessings of the gods
>gods
>medieval
Back to terribly made d&d settings with you and your faggotry.
>>9005564
Fair enough.
It's a period/genre that does attract some very strange sorts. The one who think they are literally "Modern Vikings" are pretty far out there, as are the clumps of neo-pagans though funnily enough both kinds are usually the ones most averse to historical accuracy. For some reason "viking" groups seem to get away with occupying a vague and fuzzy space that would be unthinkable for most other periods.
Still, at least they are not the SS-types that swarm the multi-period events.
>>9005564
what if I pillaged their asses while singing in Icelandic?
>>9005587
as long as it's not some icelandic magic shit it still won't change other people
>>9005398
Barrel helms, sugarloaves, early great helms.... Anything that looks like a tube of metal on your head.
>>9005404
You do know you're in larpthread, yeah?
>>9005413
>>9005510
>>9005564
>>9005586
I fully fucking agree and hate that I was part of a restaurant that used to cater to the neo-nordic vikingboo types.
To a man, they all had at least one utilikilt, overweight, bad hair, very well kept beards, oversized mojlnir pendants, and liked to yell "skoll" over everything.
I like Amon Amarth as much as the next guy.... But vikingboos are the weebs of the historic scene.
>>9005703
>Barrel helms, sugarloaves, early great helms.... Anything that looks like a tube of metal on your head.
Bitch don't be badmouthing the pot helmets. Damn sexiest things man has ever made.
>>9005766
Shut up grandpa. See >>9001767
>>9005777
Could be worse.
>>9005334
Yeah exactly like this. Also m8ty. Kettle helms are sick as fuck.
>>9005355
do you have any pictures of quilted fabric covering the bars..?
>>9005374
>>9005368
If there was a legitimate problem with Kettle helms catching blows on the rim and roughing your neck in such a way it was heavily detrimental they wouldn't have used them throughout history.
>>9005814
>do you have any pictures of quilted fabric covering the bars..?
Not the face, because then you can't breath
>If there was a legitimate problem with Kettle helms catching blows on the rim and roughing your neck in such a way it was heavily detrimental they wouldn't have used them throughout history.
Please read all the posts before replying. Kettles were designed with the falling projectiles in mind.
Fun fact: The difference in projectile combat (IE, crossbows with a flatter trajectory over volleys from coventional bows) is the reason Italian and South Germans never really got into the kettle helm as heavily as the more western parts of Europe.
>>9005820
>is the reason Italian and South Germans never really got into the kettle helm as heavily as the more western parts of Europe
>all the morions in germany and other variants in germany
plus let's not forget that burgonets have a baseball hat like brim too but turned up to 11
>>9005825
>Morions are later period, and started in northern Germany, and more so became a fashion when no amount of helmet would protect you from a bullet
>The brim of a burgeoned was for downward blows to the face, and mounting a buffe.
>>9005840
later, compared to what? kettle hats still existed when morions come in and even after them although admittedly not in a great number.
and yes, there were amounts of helmets that would protect your head even from a bullet.
The buffe mounting is irrelevant especially considering the fact that there were a fucton of buffe that weren't mounted to the brim. And it wasn't just against downward blows it was against downward everything
>>9005846
The morion was developed much later from the kettle, and while yes they did exist together for a while, the Kettle was completely superseded by the morion and the cabaset, which you'll notice get smaller and smaller brims oter time.
>and yes, there were amounts of helmets that would protect your head even from a bullet.
A glancing shot, sure, but a direct hit will kill you.
And as for the burgeonet, you can't really compare it to the kettle at all.
>>9005851
>The morion was developed much later from the kettle,
later, compared to what? you are jumping in centuries again.
>A glancing shot, sure, but a direct hit will kill you.
nope. all my nope. Make a difference between the different guns. A pistol and a musket is totally not the same in power and penetration. Plus distance. There were a fuckton of armor that would protect you from a pistol bullet from 10-20 meters and from a musket from a little farther away.
>And as for the burgeonet, you can't really compare it to the kettle at all.
I totally can
>>9005967
>you are jumping in centuries again.
As are you. Besides, we're talking earlier kettles with maille here
>nope. all my nope.
All those factors into account, are you saying that you'd be willing to take a shot from my .60 handgonne or my .75 caliver at the extremes of their range?
So I'm going to play a warrior character in an eastern-asia inspired group. What would be the most badass to wear? Preferravle Chinese or Japanese of any period until 18th century. Could be fantasy stuff as well if needed.
>inb4 your larp is shit
>>9006043
Are you Asian?
Yes or no only.
>>9005820
Ill need a citation for that claim gropey.
>>9006144
Not Gropey but here are several dozen threads with links and sources about this very subject as kettle hats are meme-tier on the Armor Archive.
>>9006172
Maybe they are but they work really well for some kits. They "look" like they fit on a medieval foot soldier. Both historically and in a film sense. Especially for someone who doesn't want to portray a knight or noble.
>>9006480
No one is arguing that they don't fit.
I just find them plebeian and a poor choice compared to other options.
Beware! Someone has an opinion!
...Except the burgundian fluted kettle. that gets a pass. pic related
>>9006057
Nope.
(Is it some cultural appropriation tumblr thing where it's rude to play cultures that aren't your 'race'?)
>>9006501
It's probably more to do with how non-asians playing obviously East Asian characters, especially Japanese, tends to being incredibly cringe. It's easy to go too far and end up in legitimately offensive territory, but if you don't make it obvious enough, it misses the whole point of playing the character in the first place. It's an extremely difficult line to maintain.
Personally, I think it can potentially be done in a way that works, but I have yet to see any actual examples of it.
>>9006534
This. All of this.
The line between weeb and passing is razor thin, and I for one have never seen it done. Same with "Gypsy" characters.
>>9006548
Oh, I see. What should I do to avoid falling into it then?
>>9006554
Sadly, I can't answer that aside from avoiding the problem creatively.
I got invited to a mythic japan game, so I painted my self red, tossed on my kendo do, wrapped some cheap faux tiger fur around like a kilt, and went as a half-oni. Felt much less weeby than trying to pretend to be asian.
>>9006563
I probably didn't explain myself well enough... I'm not playing a legit 'japanese' character. It's an in-game race, which culture is inspired by a mix of asian cultures, so I'm not going to do anything silly like painting myself yellow, using eyeliner to make my eyes look 'thinner', speaking in a japanese accent or anything like that.
>>9006534
what's with the misguided idea that asians being other asian cultures is okay and somehow not just as terrible. just because they look the part doesn't mean they aren't also cringe. you really think a chinese person understands japan better than some white dude? fuck no. asians are usually cringier weebs than white people cause most of them lie about being japanese when they aren't since people are idiots. plus culturally they find other asians using their culture more offensive than white people, even when they do it poorly.
omfg this thread...
i want to play as a slavshit kettlecuck now.
>>9005981
if we are talking about them then we can completely drop the firearm approach aren't we?
>All those factors into account, are you saying that you'd be willing to take a shot from my .60 handgonne or my .75 caliver at the extremes of their range?
I don't trust your accuraccy so let's put it on a stand at first.
>>9006483
Well Maybe i want to play as a foot soldier and not a noble. If kettle helms are so bad please post better helms that still fit this.
>>9006661
Don't worry, I'll use a load of scatter shot! At least one of them will hit the helmet!
>>9007033
As much guff as I give them (mostly because it gets a rise out of hungarian), there are a few "noble" pieces. The one in the comment you linked is one, and here is another.
Anyone knows if Kult Of Athena uses DHL/FedEx/UPS? I wanna make an order and the local mail service is shit
>>9007172
they use USPS unless you get a very expensive or heavy order. You can call them and get whatever shipping you want as long as you have the money
Who here kettle master race?
>>9007418
United states postal service.
Which gamby?
>>9002311
Version of the great bascinet
>>9007483
FOrgot my trip
So I helped out at an event in our cities party precinct last night fighting and being generally rowdy. It's awesome to see our city embracing LARP and reenactment more.
>>9007421
One with replacable/removavle sleeves. On smartphone, may post link later.
Might as well get a helmet too.
>>9006581
idk man, I wasn't describing my own views there, just the general opinion toward that sort of thing in the larp community. Though really, to people who don't interact with Koreans/Chinese/Vietnamese/etc. people often, they do look similar enough to pass as one of the others. Same applies to white people really, we all fuckin' look the same too.
Heres a serious question for everyone.
Is SCA, WMA or even larping seen as something culturally reserved for "white people".
Like is it odd having a brown person who so adamantly studies and participates in historically white traditions?
The only thing i can compare it to as a personal experience is maybe seeing that one older white guy at the hip hop show and being like..."Fuck yeah i bet that dude is cool as fuck."
>>9007874
No. Hell a major SCA guy I just met is Asian and he runs around as an anglo-saxon.
>>9007874
Traditionally, fantasy as a genre is focused on western European medieval history and culture as a rough backdrop, and that does attract a predominantly white crowd.
That said, I see TONS of black foam fighters, and there is a fairly large number of black SCA members, because blacks were not unheard of or considered "odd" as much as exotic and rare in the middle ages depending on your period.
There were black legionaries who were no different from any other Roman during the Empire. During the medieval period, there were converted moors floating around, especially in France and Italy, (just avoid Spain and your good).
By the Renaissance, while rare to see in public, it was in vogue for a while to keep a black man as a retainer for the sake of showing off that you could afford to hire him.
Obviously, it depends on your location. In Glenn Abhann (especially Louisiana and Mississippi) there are tons. Here in Atlantia, there are a good number, but are obviously not as common. They commonly go for Moors of different periods, but there are a handful that do period Northeast African cultures, who wore their armour etc. A few just go full fabulous such as this image of Saint Maurice, who was modeled by a retainer in the employ of the Duke of Saxony, in my pic.
I would happily dump anything you might desire to document whatever direction you wish to go.
Have you heard of Baron Achbar yet?
PS: I have never seen a single asian member of any race choose to do an asian portrayal, aside from Mongolians. They tend to prefer late period Euro. Every Chinese and Japanese portrayal in the SCA is white as snow.
>>9007874
>Like is it odd having a brown person who so adamantly studies and participates in historically white traditions?
It is in Hungary. But that's mostly because the only non-white people we have here are gypsies and they generally don't study.
But generally noone cares about your skin color or culture
>>9007874
Some light reading for you.
http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/06/01/moors-saints-knights-kings-african-presence-medieval-renaissance-europe/
>>9007936
>>9007937
Last one, and then im getting some sleep.
Reminds me, there was an anon here who had interest, but never got back to me about the stainless bazubands I was selling. If you could hit me up, that would be cool. otherwise, im listing them.
>>9007936
This!
Blacks and brownies were not as widespread in europe during the middle ages as SJW would want it, but they were definitely present and not just as slaves.
Back then (before the 18, 19th century) nationalism did not really exist: It was King A and his dudes against King B and his dudes. It mattered less what color those dudes were.
And then there was (after the middle ages technically) the century long alliance between the muslim Ottomans then the christian France.
Politics trumps religion too.
>>9007874
There's this Duke Donuki or whatever his name was who has a couple of SCA instruction vids who is black, and Mexico is in BoTN
>>9007421
Are they reliable? Do they make use of the national mail service or are they stand-alone?
And this http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=SNMC7101E&name=Modifiable+Gambeson+with+Optional+Half-Sleeves+-+Natural
>>9006548
how would you advise i go about play a gypsy character? where is the line?
>>9008075
USPS is the national post in the US.
>>9002952
>Kettle helmets are absolute shit, only fit for peasant levies and slavs.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but you're wrong!
>>9008124
To start, don't use "Gypsy". Thats literally "nigger" to Romani.
Also: don't play gypsy characters in larps at all.
>>9008225
Who died and gave you the right to tell people who they can and can't play?
>>9008225
Why's it a slur? I think the only slurs I get is chink and nigger.
I'm a jew and I never got what Kike is and why am I supposed to be insulted by that
All aboard #Drowgate mk2!
Hungarian get in here!
>>9008261
well, why is nigger a slur?
Because african americans doesn't like to be called that way.
Same with gypsy. gypsies doesn't like to be called that way.
>>9008263
Shit really?
Which page?
>>9008244
A good chunk of my family in the concentration camps, thanks.
>>9008261
Well, here is the deal: picture if "Kike" was a character race, where every player talks like they stepped out of a Jewish deli, wore prosthetic noses and yarmulkes, obsess with fleecing the goyim, lending money and they get a bonus with spears vs. clerics. Ok, its edgy and funny. Haha.
Now, make that the accepted standard, both in and out Kikes are now a mystical race of matzo eating near-humans who gain power by consuming the foreskin of babies. Everywhere you go, every game, out of accepted cannon, its like that because that is all people know about the mythical Jews.
Now, the biggest problem: You're running through a park in a game, in battle. Some one is screaming "Kill the Kike! Don't let him get away!" as passers by happen to walk past...
Also, "Gypsies" are the worst of our people. A black person doesn't want to be called a nigger, because people who identify as that are the worst of the stereotypes. Gypsies are to Roma in the same way, and Hungarians to Humanity.
>>9008295
>people i didnt really know died, stop having fun.
>>9008295
>Gypsies are to Roma in the same way, and Hungarians to Humanity.
shit, they came from the stars too?
>>9008303
voltunk királyok
>>9008302
>lelelel I am le edgy! *tips shadow the hedgehog fedora*
Kill yourself.
>>9008324
>eltöredezettségmentesítőtlenítetthetetlenségtelenítőtlenkedhetnétek
BORK BORK BORK to you too, SlaV.
You are doing me a frighten
>>9008303
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--Vaz9jW054
BIG FUCKING STAR RIGHT HERE!
>>9008386
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KElYVDvGHs8
>>9008410
I would show you the true national treasure of Hungary but you don't speak hungarian so you wouldn't understand it's greatness
Does the upper arm armour in pic related have a specific name? Having trouble finding better reference pictures, splint rerebrace didnt bring up much of use.
Also, I assume it's strapped around the arm but how would it be kept from sliding down - is it laced to the maille?
>>9008395
Beautiful!
>>9008295
I get it. Wouldn't know since I have never seen a single Gypsy character in all my years in our local LARP scene. Thanks for clarifying!
>>9008416
I think I'll survive.
>>9008442
Its a type of long splint lamellar (which the Slavic nations called Klivanion or Klibanion), and was pointed with lace to the top of the shoulder. It was popular to lace plates to leather backing.
>>9008483
Blacks get a bonus to concealment in darkness, Jews get a bonus to mercantile skills, and Roma get a free illusion spell.
Anyone got any instructions on how to tie head-cloths like this?
I can only find shemag and lady-scarves instructions on google
>>9008546
That is an Arabic/Bedouin trailing turban with some weird leather strap bullshit.
Shemaghs, ghotra and hamdaneya are all used for the same thing in different styles. Solid colors are better than modern shemaghs IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pt22cDY_54
>>9008496
>Blacks get a bonus to concealment in darkness, Jews get a bonus to mercantile skills, and Roma get a free illusion spell.
Italians get a bonus to flank attacks made with knives.
>>9008577
So I get a free illusion spell, and a flank bonus? Neat.
What do Hungarians get?
gropey and tips on loosening up a gamby and breaking it in faster?
also can they go through a cold cycle in the washing maching?
>>9008635
Depends on the material.
>>9008636
the GDFB kind canvas and wool
also thanks for the good read.
>>9008641
Ok, big question.... Did you get one big enough to account for possible shrinkage?
Wash hot. Dry hot. Beat with a rattan baton until is softens.
>>9007874
Don't really pay it mind. I'm toward the the north east and we obviously have a much larger white community but minorities are not a rarity. Like most others, they have a love of the period and culture their persona is based on and they respect it. We had one dude who got shitty and implied that blacks were just as common in medieval Europe as they were in America today, citing that crazy poc in Medieval art dumblr.
>>9008575
Thanks mate
>>9008651
>>citing that crazy poc in Medieval art dumblr.
>WE WUZ KANGS AN SHIT.
For real tho - "THEY PAINTED THIS BIBLICAL FIGURE THAT WAS FROM AFRICA BLACK, AND IT WAS PAINTED IN SWABIA, CHECKMATE WHITEY"
>>9008577
Makes me wonder would the French get a + to diplomacy for surrendering or a + to bloodlust for the old French being bloody crazy in wars?
>>9008726
Frogs get a -1 to Diplomacy due to fucking the wife of the man they're negotiating with and a 1+ to diplomacy for fucking him.
>>9008579
Hungarians get 1+ to equine skills and -1 to hygiene.
>>9008744
Its settled then.
Anyone wanna do Swedish? (ethnic one, my beard is red as proof)
>>9008764
Swedes have the Trait (Tall), racial hero (Santa Claus), at the cost of having -1 relations with everybody for being Nihilists.
>>9008782
>at the cost of having -1 relations with everybody for being Nihilists.
So an average human at high fantasy larp then?
Does anyone have tips for playing a millitary commander well? Most important for me is my players will have fun playing under me and such.
>>9009123
It really depends. Do you actually have any command? Will they listen to you without question when needed? Do you actually have enough people following you to warrant the need of a commander?
>>9007936
That was a good read.
>scroll down to the comments
Someday I'll learn not to read the comments on articles.
>>9009132
Generally, yes. The group I'll be the millitary commander in is mainly a group for new players, so I'm expectibg a couple of "I dun fullow da rulz" edgelords. Which is solvable by either clarifying pre-game that there's no such thing and characters like that wouldn't have been accepted to my company in the first place, or punish them IC.
But overall, I'll have a group of newbies who'll listen to everything I say. Now I want to make sure what I tell them to do is interesting.
>>9008295
I don't get mad when I see people in Soviet Union Garb, and my families men got hung by the dozens in their own apple orchard, stop being a sensitive prick.
>>9008295
What ethnicity are you? As in, why concentration camps?
>>9009144
Yeah, don't do that. Therein lies the path to madness.
>>9009145
How many? Enough to drill into formation?
"Commander" isn't a character class, as much as a title. Read up on tactics and leadership skills. Teach them formation and communication.
>>9009154
You're misunderstanding. I don't get mad at nazi reenactors.
Its not even the fact that these people who have no single idea that Roma are anything other than shoeless magical thieves, and the entirety of their research is disney's version of Hunchback of Notre Dam, and /pol/.
What makes me mad is when you go "Hey, Roma wore shoes. Nomads do that." They adamantly defend that there was never such a thing as Roma or that we're extinct etc.
Think of it as a black person getting offended of larpers running around in minstrel-show blackface, going full on "Oh boy massa! Dis little spearchucka could go for sum dat fried chicken!" because "niggers" are a character class, and being told its ok because its just a game.
>>9009165
Zingari Romani/Italian.
>>9009165
He's legit circus gypsy irl.
>>9009166
Uhh.. Wouldn't say we can pull something like a Phalanx, but perhaps a small shieldwall/spearline. However we're still recruiting. Where should I begin reading about those?
>>9009154
He's not angry about Nazis or anything. He's angry at people who think gypsies are fantasy characters
>>9009186
Do you know what equipment they will have?
And just look up "roman shield tactics" or "riot police formations" on google and youtube
>>9009205
Not yet. I know we'll have at least one archer though. I do might have a say regarding their equipment though.
I'm not sure how millitant will the game be though, so the roleplay part is more important. However, I enjoy learning about tactics and such, so it's good.
>>9009230
Well, like I said, commander is not a character class. Its a title. Playing the role of a military commander is.... Commanding a militarty
>>9008579
>What do Hungarians get?
headache. And immunity to alcohol
>>9008261
From Wiki
>The word kike was born on Ellis Island when there were Jewish migrants who were also illiterate (or could not use Latin alphabet letters). When asked to sign the entry-forms with the customary "X," the Jewish immigrants would refuse, because they associated an X with the cross of Christianity. Instead, they drew a circle as the signature on the entry-forms. The Yiddish word for "circle" is kikel (pronounced KY-kul), and for "little circle," kikeleh (pronounced KY-kul-uh). Before long the immigration inspectors were calling anyone who signed with an "O" in place of an "X" a kikel or kikeleh or kikee or, finally and succinctly, kike.
The word certainly doesn't carry the malice of, say, faggot.
>>9008659
next time someone comes up with something like that and shows you an image of a black dude with heavily ornated armor just tell them this
"Now imagine the owner of that guy. He must be pretty rich and important to dress up his slave like this!"
>>9009145
How many people you expect? more then 5? 10? 20?
>>9009166
>and being told its ok because its just a game.
well, it IS a game, not reenactment. I mean your standard fantasy dwarf is pretty much a small jew with an axe.
The real problem is that people do these things without an effort and see it as an opportunity to act lolrandumb. Even the fantasy gypsies could be played correctly
![10838587_406328182863088_734034530_n[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/9xUh3wJ.jpg "10838587_406328182863088_734034530_n[1].jpg")
>>9008706
>Suddenly, black larpers coming out the woodwork
I said, hey!
>>9008706
Do ya LARP or SCA or anything yet?
At any rate I am curious to what you want to play as or do already?
>>9009376
Words change over time. WOP meant "without papers", but now saying it to an Italian-American is bad. "Fanny" means vagina in Britain, but is a childish word for butts in the US.
Faggots were bunddles of sticks. Now its fighting words.
>>9009379
>"Now imagine the owner of that guy. He must be pretty rich and important to dress up his slave like this!"
But they were not slaves. They were paid men. There were actually laws against chattel slavery in most of Europe, and that wouldn't change until the late 17thC.
>I mean your standard fantasy dwarf is pretty much a small jew with an axe
Honestly, I have never seen a jew-dwarf in larp or tabletop. They are almost always tiny Scotsmen.
>>9009393
Not a bad thing.
>>9009492
>But they were not slaves. They were paid men. There were actually laws against chattel slavery in most of Europe, and that wouldn't change until the late 17thC.
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