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How fat/out of shape are you? What do you do to stay in shape? I hope you're working out and getting swole or else you're never gonna make it. The fatty who hangs out in the spawn and is incapable of flanking maneuver is just embarassing.
We've had this thread before. Not even a month ago
Let's end this early
>>1354545
and yet you're still fat
>>1354615
kek +1
>>1354490
I'm a fucking skeletal. I'm amazed when I pick up a PKM and am wearing my full VDV Kit my back and legs shatter. My suggested size on Russian sizing charts is literally "starving conscript" tier. Just fucking end me.
>>1354708
Im skinnyfat and get winded way too easily and everything is loose on me
>>1354490
R8 my squads loadouts guys
>thats me on the right
>>1354786
Really good original attempt at shitposting. You went to the effort of finding something that wouldn't readily be reverse image-searched. The subject matter draws on a level of cringe that is often fabricated for comedy, yet is just quasi-lifelike enough to pass for real. I like how you added a tripcode to give the image more verisimilitude.
Overall I'd give it a solid 8.7/10. Some shitpost experts would rate this shitpost a little lower due to the low effort you put in the text field but the character of the shitpost is really endearing to me.
>>1354836
Is he autistic?
>>1354808
Shut up, fake wrestling nigger.
>>1354882
Why do you reply.
>>1354882
We don't need more than one general. Unless the thread is image capped or about to be archived don't fucking create a new one. Use a filter like every non retard to only see /asg.
Stupid faggot.
>>1355114
He's replying to himself, anon. Relax.
>>1354490
Im still pretry good when it comes to fitness, I've been going to the gym more recently since I have more time to myself now.
>>1354836
*tips fedora*
>>1355201
>8 tv shows on the front page
/tv/ needs to go back to /tv/
>>1355229
im pretty sure yeah, i mean who else would watch fake wrestling and then post about it with other grown men?
it just so happens all the retards i've met in my life have been obsessed with wrestling too
What type/era of gun do you prefer, /asg/?
>Tacticool: RIS/RAS/Lego Technic etc.
>Cold War: Long, black, and hard to handle.
>WW2: Nazi guns, Communist guns, parliamentary democracy guns etc.
>WW1: Revolvers, bolt actions, etc.
>Pre WW1: Ye olde worlde wooden muskets + rootin' tootin' sixguns etc.
>Futuristic: Funky+jagged white and orange paint schemes etc.
>Other: Please specify.
>>1355143
why would you not create a new thread when the old one is several hours past the bump limit? don't be so autistic.
>>1355260
Cold War.
>tfw no good FALs.
Ottermode here. Doing SS/Texas Method when I'm home, but right now I'm on a ship until end of September so I had to settle for TRX tapes and body-weight exercises.
I'll probably start counting calories to be once and for all in control of my body.
As for cardio I go biking in forests and hills.
I run with a G36K and grenade launcher with three CO2 XMPB4 shells.
>>1355283
Me too.
visited home, several states away
cleaning out closet, found this. practically mint. fuckin jackpot. mustve bought it like 5-8 years ago.
>>1355327
cat was interested
>>1355337
cylinder swings up to the top, uses single bb shells, 8mm. pretty sweet desu senpai. i'd take it to the field for funsies, but it's too big to use conveniently as a sidearm, it's fps is probably garbage and it seems to be worth a bit so I'd hate to damage/use it too much. I doubt it's had more than 100 shots through it.
>>1355327
Fuuucckk that version uses those X-marushin shells. Litteral gold hold on to that.
>>1355260
Cold War era guns with slight modernizations.
My fav gun right now is an XM177E2 with MagPul furniture.
Like it's an old gun brought out of storage and polished up to be more useful for modern purposes.
>>1355355
Pretty sure it's the original model since the X-cartridge version doesn't have the GITS branding.
Either way it's a great cop and I wish I had the money to buy it off of him. Still regret missing the ones back in March.
Valken .36g bio on the left, green devil .30g bio on the right... guess which one is absolute dogshit and costs more?
>>1355406
the valken one looks like garbage, it's not smooth at all
>>1355406
The valken looks noticeably less smooth than the green devil in that pic.
>>1355276
It's /asg/ tradition to wait until page 8 or beyond to make the new thread. It's out of respect to the other non-wrestling generals because we all have to deal with wrasslin meme threads pushing ours off the board.
>>1355406
It's OBVIOUSLY a feature. The pitted surface works like that of a golf ball.
>>1355260
currently building something like pic related but the parts (handguard and flash hider) is yet to arrive so in the meantime still a vanilla M4A1 with waffle handguard
What company makes the best quality budget (200-300 usd) HK416? I really need one right now
>>1355871
Your only options are JG (Good luck), AGM (Good luck, and bad QC), and VFC (Expensive and are know to shit the bed).
>>1355877
what do you mean by good luck?
>>1355901
those are from china
Where's a good place to get a Marui G17/18c?
>>1355901
I mean good luck because Umarex has locked down the sale of H&K styled guns to only Umarex branded ones.
>>1355871
I had a VFC 416 for several months with no issues before I put a fusion engine in it. If you can save $60 more, get a VFC
so what's best gun and why is it the ghk akm?
>>1356030
Tiger111hk
>>1356303
>"""""""""gun""""""""""
>>1354490
>How fat/out of shape are you? What do you do to stay in shape? I hope you're working out and getting swole or else you're never gonna make it. The fatty who hangs out in the spawn and is incapable of flanking maneuver is just embarassing.
Not at all. Soon to be professional athlete. I hardly ever play airsoft though, I haven't in over a year. I don't know anyone to play with.
>>1356450
Go to walk-ons, meet people. It's what I did, and now I have loads of people to play with. A nearby national milsim next week is going to have me playing with pretty much everyone I know and enjoy playing with at my local walk-on scene. It's gonna be sick.
>tfw your local field has a no singles rule and you try to sneak in and get caught
>>1356476
Sounds like a money grab
>>1356476
>no singles rule
explain
>>1356553
They don't allow people to show up by themselves to keep out losers just like movie theaters do, do you guys really not know about the no singles policies?
>>1356558
no because I don't live in a shithole
>no singles policy on an airsoft field
sounds like a shit-tier field desu fampai
>>1356558
>no singles policy
Sounds like your local scene is a circlejerk. I'm sorry.
>>1356559
This tbqh famiglia
>>1356476
>field has a no singles rule
it is a norm to me
>>1356573
okay, you're making this up
>>1356576
No it's true, here's some marks from last time
>>1356579
Rest in Peace Kid
>>1356582
it's part of the waiver you sign when you first go you can't sue them for something you agreed to
it's just field policy
>>1355283
us FAL bros must wait, now is not our time, but soon we shall let loose on this world...
>>1356579
>>1356582
that's a hickey
>>1356585
That they're allowed to sit you down and unload into you? That's how how waivers work. Besides, if you snuck onto the property, you're not a patron, you're a trespasser. You can be ejected and banned from the property, but they're not allowed to literally assault you.
RIP, kid.
>>1356586
the streets will run red with the blood of M4 faggots and AK spergs. God will look down an bless those with FAL and cast the rest into the endless pit of darkness...
>>1356589
>implying any girl would give me a hickey
there's a reason i violated the no singles policy dude
>>1356593
I didn't sneak in, I tried to act like I was with this group and walked up behind them, after paying and sitting down one of the refs pointed me out and asked me where my group was.
Nobody would say they were with me and I got caught
>>1356596
You gave it to yourself
>>1356599
>Nobody would say they were with me
now I see how evil the punishment is
>>1356599
That seems incredibly prejudicial and also grounds to sue. Seriously, waivers don't allow someone to act illegally and with negligence. Any clause that lets them literally assault you isn't in any way binding. The MOST they are legally allowed to do is ask you to remove yourself from the premises.
So once again, under the assumption that you're not bullshitting, which I still think you are, because I'd like to know what shithole condones that sort of honorless, destructive nonsense, LAWYER UP. You have a case.
>>1356613
I live in venezuela, the police don't care what's going on and there's no way I'd be able to sue them
>>1356621
Well then the answer is simple: don't go back. Find a different, better place to play. If you can't, then don't bother. Airsoft is really a community game, and if your community is raw dicks, then it's just not worth it to keep taking it up the ass from them.
And for the record, I'd like to see that bruise next to your bbgat, so we can at least prove you airsoft, because even for Venezuela, the story seems pretty suspect.
>>1356639
i'm just surprised that no singles policies aren't common, i thought it was like that at every field
that picture's old btw, i wore more padding this time and don't have any obvious bruises like that
>>1356662
I'd be fucking pissed if that were common here, but airsoft forums would at least allow me to find someone frequenting said field and join them.
Don't worry anon, I believe you since I've known non-burgerland shitholes that have fucked up systems.
> crazy fucks playing a game with metal BBs as a pain tolerance challenge
>higher FPS guns = best guns
>>1356677
>> crazy fucks playing a game with metal BBs as a pain tolerance challenge
>>higher FPS guns = best guns
where the fuck do you people live where this is common
this literally never happens at my field in burgerland
the only guns they don't chrono are pistols because hardly anybody uses them and even then they aren't going to be over the field fps limit
>>1355327
>Been trying to find one for months, and that's the newer ones
>This motherfucker just picks up an original model from an estate sale
>>1356579
headline: attention seeking little boy never had a welt, gives self hicky on his left forearm and claims its from a 'singles punishment'
get out and actually skirmish, get some real welts and come back faggot.
>>1356579
Stop sucking on your arm you fucking queer.
>The game is on.
>7vs5.
>Be on the 5 man team.
>Rush down to a ditch with some bushes which is between a road and a forest.
>Hear the sound of branches getting stepped on.
>See 4 enemies wandering in the forest like 6m away.
>They don't see me.
>mgs2theme.mp3
>Let one pass.
>Two of them is lined up for the perfect shot
>The last one is behind them
>Nailed the two lined up ones.
>Nail the one that went ahead.
>Last one retreats behind some branches.
>Knock him out in a short fire fight.
>feelsgoodman.jpg
>Continue into the forest.
>Encounter 2 more from behind.
>Nailed the two.
>tfw I nailed 6 out of 7 players in the span of 4min.
Pic related.
>be fat
>can flank
>can run
I'm not as fat as the guy in OP's pic though
I slapped a G&P m120 hi-torgue motor to my gun. now when i do a magdump of 70 rounds my turnigy 7.4v LiPo gets noticeably warm and the alarm starts to beeb. Something with the motor or is this normal?
>>1357528
Are you sure it's not this one?
>>1357320
feels good, doesn't it? that's the best part of airsoft when stuff like that happens.
also, have you considered getting greener camo?
>>1357607
I guess I got the name wrong. Yeah, I use that one, but long type
>>1357680
kek. It's one of the worst motors you can buy. It has very little torque which is why it needs so much current to run. It doesn't take much to blow up mosfets and ruin the batteries with that motor.
Anyone have a recommendation for a pistol thats:
>battery powered
>fairly cheap
>not shit
I've never been to an organized game, but me and my buddies shoot at each other in an abandoned house out in the woods a lot. Walmart-tier guns are par for the course and its nowhere near serious (dual wielding is both common and hilarious). I use a walther and a mac-10 (because walther #2 broke and the store was out), and they both seem to be rapidly going to shit. So really anything that wont break the bank and can be fired one handed.
>>1357805
Cyma makes cheap battery pistols
>inb4 someone goes full autsm about muh quality
The pistols perfectly.
>>1357827
work perfectly*
>>1357805
Jing Gong Scorpion for a small light automatic, has a little stock you could use if you wanted to, or keep folded for cool points.
For a straight pistol, Tokyo Marui makes an EBB out of the Ruger P85, which is fitting given that it's a cheaper sort of pistol.
It uses regular AAA batteries for power (if that's a thing that you think is good), and the slide recoils, for some non serious cops & robbers, it's a nice fit.
They're rather cheap, so if you need to outfit a bunch of guys, or if you want to dual wield it, that's not prohibitively expensive
Cyma makes an electric 1911 which can shoot in full-auto if you want, that seems like it'd fit your kind of playstyle.
>>1357851
If you want to though, there's lots of pretty nice AEG pistols with recoiling slides for under $99, stuff that generally is of pretty adequate quality.
>>1357805
>battery powered
>fairly cheap
>not shit
Pick two. You can either get the Tokyo Marui MP7 or Mac 10 and get an AEP that's well made, or anything else and have it shit out on you with no parts available. CYMA makes an AEG 1911, USP, P220, and Desert Eagle, but they're all pretty iffy and once again lack parts.
Don't even bother with the EBB AEPs. They're super cheap, really weak, and the blowback is a joke.
>>1357854
Theres a store a few blocks down, so if the budget expands Ill see what they've got and save on shipping. Last I looked it was all higher end stuff. Though those Black Lagoon M9's were so tempting.
>>1357858
"Not shit" is kind of relative. I just dont want it to cannibalize itself. The shitty ones I have right now are leaking powdered plastic, like the stuff around the sticks on an old PS2 controller.
>>1357866
It'll run you over 100, but I think if you showed up with a KTW M37, that'd turn some heads, can be set to shoot two pellets at a time and a pump is kind of cool.
The sawed off and police variants are around 120, while the ones with a stock get closer to 200
>>1357879
The one guy has a pump shotgun that can also shoot two pellets. Though thats not a design feature, he just pumps it twice.
>>1357885
You could go buy some manner of AEG Uzi or MP5 and let loose with some full-auto fire for some fun, it'll cost even more, but a machinegun just adds so much fun.
AEG or GBB?
>>1357908
HPA
>>1357708
Well aint that nice. Any you would recommend from this list http://www.tradesoft.fi/category/59/moottorit
Guess that was expected from G&P
>>1357858
WELL MP7 isn't really all that bad, especially if you fiddle with it (for the better) and use 0.12g pellets. Also with a lipo mod, which isn't all that complicated, you can slap whatever LiPo you have.
Long Hi-caps and short mags are also easy to come by, which is a plus.
>>1357908
Depends. But as a rule of thumb: AEG.
>>1358000
>WELL MP7 isn't really all that bad
I've owned around four of them and each one has been nothing but trouble.
The first two were Umarex branded ones where one had either a dead battery or fried contacts out of the box, which was replaced by another one where the gears stripped after one magazine. Later on I bought two of them for $50 and one had a cracked GB and fried contacts, while the other had compression issues and a stripped piston.
It would be a better gun if there were parts out there for them, but so far I've only found an upgraded cylinder, piston, and replacement motors.
>>1358033
I see. Man, it scares me how different are opinions on /asg/ compared to my local forums.
Over here they're mostly recommended if you're absolutely positive it's what you want.
Mine works okay so far, I can't say for sure hop-up adjustment works at all, but for what it is, I really like this replica. But yeah, if something dies I'm not really sure if it'll be worth the trouble of repairing or should I just buy a MP5k by Cyma or maybe let it rot until I can afford a Marui or HPA engine up this piece of shit 50$ gun.
>>1358044
>it scares me how different are opinions on /asg/ compared to my local forums
People here are either really picky (think audiophiles but in airsoft), they make statements based on anecdotal evidence or they simply parrot what they read/heard.
You should take everything you read with a grain of salt.
>>1357895
outclassing everyone you play with isn't fun, it's just obnoxious
>>1357990
The motor choice should depend on the other parts in your gun and the RPS you want. I assume you got mostly stock gun, since you haven't specified anything. The prices in Finland are plain riddiculous and I'd recommend you to buy most of your stuff from Asia and other parts of Europe unless you absolutely need the items the next day. Gunfire sells Tornado brand neomotors which seem to be okay judging from the few clips I've seen, but I have no experience of my own. Sakke from AtomAirsoft is also selling them with only a little higher price, but they seem to be out of stock currently. AsiaAirsoft and AirsoftPeak sell SHS, Element and Commander motors for low price with free shipping. SHS is bit on the faster side, but has the best pinion gear. Commander has most torque, but whiny pinion gear. Element is in the middle of the pack in performance but the pinion gear is made out of cheese, I hear.
Taiwangun sells A&K / P&J neomotor and Guarder Infinite Torque motor. A&K motor is on the slow side, but has huge amount torque too. I'd only pair it with low ratio gears and semi only DMRs though. Guarder motor performs about the same as Commander HT, but the pinion isn't very durable.
Other good inexpensive alternatives are JG M-42 aka JG Blue, AIM F430, ZCI HS and ZCI HT, but In my experience those pretty hard to come by with decent shipping prices.
If you absolutely must buy a motor from Tradesoft, buy the SHS one. The other ones are very much overpriced.
>>1358082
>Implying you're going to outclass anyone with an AEG UZI
>>1358082
Nobody I play with really gives a shit. The few automatics we have are the kind where you just dump bullets into the top and pray gravity works anyway.
>>1358102
Although I would like to add on that if it is just backyard game with springers then I guess one of these would be more than suitable.
http://www.evike.com/products/41724/
Just keep in mind that most electric guns under $100 are going to be pretty iffy and will without a doubt break down the road.
are any of the c02 shaped canisters that are refillable with propane/green gas actually functional? I'd like a c02 revolver, but 400 fps is quite a bit too hot for my field. I'm having a lot of trouble finding real reviews though, and the only one on evike says they don't work at all.
>>1358212
Have you looked at ASG's low power CO2 revolver?
http://www.evike.com/products/58533/
>>1358223
I hadn't but that is something that I guess I'm interested in now. What I really wanted was a nagant like this one, but firing at a lower FPS to go with my generic soviet bloc opfor muslim getup.
http://www.evike.com/products/43881/
Can anyone please post some measurements of a typical short type airsoft motor?
Simple length, width and height of the motor body as well as shaft length and diameter i the front will be fine.
>>1354490
Airsoft + contact lenses?
I love airsoft but not being able to see properly is a fucking pain
![maxresdefault[3].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/9Z1C5wM.jpg "maxresdefault[3].jpg")
Has anyone here tried rolling their own LIPOs from individual cells like they sell on Hobbyking?
It sounds good for custom projects but at the same time it sounds a bit dangerous.
>>1358320
>All those cells
For what purpose.
>>1358334
I don't know, for a car?
>>1358302
yeah, why not? contacts are fine
>>1358320
Most airsoftguns can't even handle 3S LiPos reliably. 4S LiPos are considered obscene. Hobbyking sells LiPos up to 10S, but with really high voltage you'd probably run into trouble even with custom wound frankentorque motors. You'll need to have a proper mosfet as well.
>>1358334
HPA tier response time
>>1357671
I have a bootleg CADPAT laying around, pic related,
Felt like running around with SS-leto today.
It's still quite decent, but the leaves are currently in a where they are bright green which makes the inside part of the SS-leto too dark, so it was matter of a tiny bit less green or too dark.
Sitting still with rather with generally green clothing and not showing too much face works like charm. Movement and faces is what we see first most of the times.
ww.ebay.com/itm/Airsoft-King-Arms-FAL-Used-Excellent-Cosmetic-Shape-Full-Size/142012376083?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D777000%26algo%3DABA.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D36895%26meid%3D7597dd8be7f445b08a4540581e1d33d5%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D172228380369\
not the seller but if you are looking for a KA FAL,found one for you
>>1358497
are you wearing eye pro?
What's worse, Milsimmers or Speedsofters?
In a battle, I would think neither would win, because the milsimmer would never call his hit because of he thinks he's a super tactical operator, and the speedsofter would never stop his 700000000000000000 rps P* overshooting
>>1355365
>xmt77E2
>magpul furniture
>>1357320
i had something similar during a night game.
>deep in the city
>enemy team is at the first building
>go around in the darkness and come up behind them
>pull knife out and one by one tap out 6 enemy players
best "kill streak" ill ever have
>>1357805
>>1357858
>>1358033
i own a tm mp7, it worked great and was an absolute blast to shoot with a lipo until the gearbox broke.
>>1358558
Not even an AR guy and I think that's fucking pig disgusting.
Should have gotten a basic AR and done that.
>>1358594
right? im being a little biased though, im just tired of seeing magpul on everything.
>>1358606
I'm guilty of putting magpul furniture on my AK but real honest, I think the AR Magpul handguard is disgusting.
>>1358543
Yes, those are orange ones.
>>1358591
Knife kills are the best.
>VIP game.
>Sitting in pic related.
>Aiming at the road, watching the woods.
>Patrol comes along the road.
>Point man walks up.
>Looks at me from 7m.
>exclamationmark.mp3
>Nail him in the shoulder.
>Mr. M249 shows up.
>rambo.jpg
>Can't see me, shoots the bush to my right.
>Get pinned down, unable to return fire.
>Mr. M249 stops shooting.
>Take aim, Mr. M249 shows up again, nail him.
>Run like mad back towards my team through the woods.
>Hear fire in front of me.
>Scream: "DON'T SHOOT FRIENDLY COMING IN"
>There is a person infront of me, he ain't of the friendly kind.
>He looks at me.
>I look at him.
>Grab a branch of the ground and "stab" him while screaming like a mad man.
>tfw friendlies stopped shooting at him because of me screaming .
>tfw they witnessed me go caveman on the poor guy
>tfw I'm still alive.
Airshitting will never be the same again.
Has anyone ever experience weird affects of elevation on you gun's performance? My VSR chronos at 515-520 fps when I'm at home, but I went to a site today that is about 900 feet up and it chrono'd there at about 400. I came home and chrono'd again and my fps is back to what it usually is. My AEG, however, was unaffected. I realize the air is thinner at higher elevation, but this was only 900 feet up. Is such a drastic change normal or am I missing something obvious?
>>1358672
temperature has a lot do with it also, what sea level are you at?
>>1358734
Usually around 550'. Field was at 1450'. Climate and weather is generally the same, as it was only about 50 miles.
Christ I forgot the mk23 has a proprietary rail and now I have to buy a fucking adapter for it.
>>1356579
Looks like you burned someone's patch.
>>1358938
>Running anything on the Mk23 other than a LAM
>>1358963
LAM is bulky, ugly, has a shit torch, no laser and gives handling problems even in universal holsters. I got the mk23 really cheap because it didn't have the LAM unit and the suppressor wasn't original which are two things that really didn't bother me in the slightest.
Now I just have to find if the USP adapters work for the Mark23 or find a chink adapter.
>>1358973
almost forgot, it doesn't have remote switch either
>>1358973
There's no airsoft mk23 rail attachment, only real HK stuff.
>>1358611
man i hate it on m4's but im guilty of buying it for my shotgun, it felt comfortable in my hand and looked better than the stock hand guard
>>1359021
Well, the shotgun one and the stock is pretty sexy.
>>1359020
There are chink copies of the HK/Rhynotek adapters like this one http://www.amazon.com/Mark-Picatinney-Adapter-Tac-Laser-Model/dp/B003VAI2C4/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_bdcrb_top?ie=UTF8 but I can't find them now.
Laserlyte has USP adapter for cheap too but I don't know if the USP ones would work in the MK23.
>>1359035
Welp, when I had my MK23 I couldn't find those.
>>1358527
Jesus Christ, whoever bid on that should fucking wait until the last minute so you don't run up the prices on yourself when other idiots finally find it.
>tfw have that ASG mk23
I should get the actual TM one
>>1358938
I found a guy printing them some time ago. Direct Tap Printing on normiebook.
>>1358963
I really want to, but the only way to get one is buying the whole TM set and I'm not sure if I'm really willing to spend this much. Sure, TM Mk23 is pretty good, but still...
>>1359037
From what I've read, it doesn't. HK are super jews.
>>1359162
I have a KWA.
>>1359167
>I have a KWA.
how is it?
>>1359183
>this is a discovery of the century my kind senpai
You are welcome. Just remember to say in the thread if you find them stocked.
Meanwhile I'll see how much Double Tap Designs wants for a simple 3d-printed adapter.
>>1359173
I have mixed feelings about it. At the price tag it should be near flawless, but mags are kind of leaky, they are relying on small pins so taking them apart is a fucking nightmare. I'm used to Hi Capa mags, Mk23 mags are awful compared to that. Also I hear they tend to fall out after some use, which is also awful considering they're twice as expensive and hard to come by. Outer barrel is plastic, which is a serious turn-off, I'm considering Ra-Tech parts which are expensive as fuck too, but it's my dream handgun so what the hell.
Also you can't adjust the hop-up without a tool, but it's just a handgun so I don't really mind this much.
Performance wise it's good, kick isn't super hard, but it's there, gun feels great seems very solid. Unfortunately this piece of shit shoots over 350 FPS so over here I can't even use it for CQB. Sometimes it shoots one odd, weaker shot, which I suspect has to do with spring not pushing the slide all the way to the front. Also happened during reloading when I just let go of the slide catch - pulling the slide so the catch drops by itself fixed that issue. I guess it's also a good habit.
I'm planning to HPA tapping it, to get rid of the mag and FPS issues, weather is ass here, and I really want to make it my main CQB gun.
Overall, if it's your dream gun, it's worth it, otherwise fuck it - it's a moneysink and I'm sure you can settle for a USP, which also gets all the holsters and adapters. Didn't TM make one recently? To be honest I kind of wish I got a USP.45 or something instead.
>>1359199
If you can try to force him to making this Rhinotek design which screws into the trigger guard. His just slides onto the rail.
>>1359208
Yep, my reasons for selling my KWA, even had 5 really reliable mags.
Still it was a POS
>>1358340
Airsoft railguns.
>>1359208
>His just slides onto the rail.
Isn't that because the mk23 has some shit that stops the slide attachments from flying around blocking them somehow? I might be wrong since I still don't have the pistol here yet. It would be stupid to make an adapter that is going to fall if you so much as aim the pistol down.
In any case I'll ask how much would cost to make a HK/Rhyno adapter.
>>1359214
And once again, on my local forums nobody mentioned anything about any of this when I asked, they all went that KWA could be even better than TM if they had more aftermarket support. YouTube videos were useless too, I found only one mentioning God awful mags.
I don't plan to sell it, I rarely do, but if someone offered me the same amount of money I spent for it, mags, adapters and all I'd probably go for it and get a USP instead.
>>1359223
The MK23 one has a slight curve, from what I understand that's what makes it so snowflakey, even compared to other HK products. Hey, if it's tight it shouldn't fly off, but I would find it more aesthetic if it had the trigger guard thingie. There's a hole there just for this fucking purpose, I want to use it. Especially that no real-deal adapters omit this part.
>>1358672
Not all chronos show similar results. When I've set pressure in my Mancraft to shoot 2,25J with UFC chrono, Madbull chrono shows about 0,2J lower results and Xcortech 0,2J higher results. I don't think all the UFC chronos show the same results either.
Your problem is most likely due to the rifle being bumped. Maybe something was able to move a bit causing a loss in compression.
>>1359239
>if it's tight it shouldn't fly off
Comments in the page say that it fits tight and that it shouldn't fly off unintentionally. Let's see what they tell me about the Rhyno design and how much it would be.
>>1359255
If you get the pricing, I'm also interested. I'm mainland Yuro, but I will have to wait until September to order. Guy seems to adore the Mk23, so I'm very hopeful he'll be down to it.
Why all this jizzing about the mk23? The only thing special about it is the marui mk23 is outstandingly quiet.
>>1359845
>The only thing special about it is the marui mk23 is outstandingly quiet.
And its accuracy, and how it outranges most of the other gas pistols in the market, and how gas-effective it is compared to other nbb replicas.
The MK23 is unanimously liked for more than just "It's a really quite pistol".
>>1359250
Fps read as normal once I got home. I did not take the gun apart to fix anything.
Jesus christ I just paid 25 bucks to ship a pistol to someone. Anyone know a better way to ship than UPS because I feel pretty taken advantage of.
Basically whats the cheapest way to ship?
>>1358558
Has the right length, has the Colt Moderator, which I like, I fancy the A1 upper, and it wasn't fully period correct anyway so who cares if I refit it for my own purposes (and at that, it's a toy, not a real one), the stock was plastic, which is wrong for the CAR-15 line (and for that matter, the thing wobbled like fuck), the handguards were closer to later M4 carbines than early CAR-15 ones, the front-sight post has a bayonet lug, which makes no sense because the XM177E2 never had one, nor would it be able to properly fit one if it had a lug, due to the different muzzle device, and while I was at it I got a much better pistol grip.
If I wanted a really genuine looking XM177E2 I would have looked at a Viper Tech, if I was willing to spend that kind of money.
>>1358594
The only other ones I found had detachable carry handles and fuck THAT noise.
Besides, I like the look and feel of the MagPul handguard, and I didn't see anyone selling the Colt Moderator as a loose part (and it would have resulted in a longer gun when put on something like an M4 or Mk.18, whereas the inner barrel is fit for the length of the Moderator on this one).
Handguard is MagPul, looks better and feels much better in the hand than the original generic M4 ones.
Pistol grip is PTS, much better grip angle and shape for me, it also has a better texture.
Stock is Amoeba Pro, sits MUCH firmer on the buffer tube, and gives a MUCH better cheekweld.
Been thinking of installing a 7 or a 10" outer barrel in my 14,5" M4A1 and obviously I need a shorter inner barrel. Are AEG inner barrels compatible between models? Could I put an MP5 inner barrel on my M4A1? I'm planning on doing this (using an MP5 inner barrel) because its hard to find short M4A1 inner barrels and shortening one would make me feel like I'm throwing away money.
>>1359947
USPS famalam
Esp. For international. When I ship stuff to my bro out there it can be a $100 difference
Are drum magazines worth having? Seems nice being able to never reload, but I've heard that some models/brands have issues with feeding. What are some recommended brands?
>>1360082
Yeah the UPS is right near me but if I had known I was gonna get fucked so hard I would have asked for dinner first. Guess I'll hoof it to USPS next time. Lesson learned.
CM.034 socom
What do u think?
t. newfag
>>1360185
Cyma makes one of the better budget M14s, so yes.
So, if any of you were to get a GBB subgun, plain for fun, not necessarily for skirmishing or anything, something that just feels good to shoot and which isn't bad quality, what'd you look at?
>>1359265
I talked with them already.
the conversation in a nutshell
All the adapters are made in a way that is hard for them to slide off so its okay to use a non-bolted adapter.
They are okay doing custom adapters. The rhynotek design could break in pic related since it would be made in plastic and not aluminum like the real thing. They offered to print it in a different orientation or with some design changes to make it as sturdy as possible and they also asked me if I knew how long the bolt/screw was and if I wanted the screw done as well or if I had one myself.
The pricetag is 15~£+shipping on the demanded design. 10~£+shipping on the other design they already make.
>>1360416
MP7, Kriss Vector
>>1360416
Probably a KWA MP9.
>>1360416
MP5, for CQB. It's the only setting which GBBs actually seem to have an appreciable advantage i.e. trigger response and noise.
>>1360442
I have been pondering the MP9 for a time, because I think the TMP design is really good, both as a weapon (not enough subguns operate on short-recoil), and in terms of ergonomics.
How sturdy is the folding stock, does it have any noticeable wobble?
>>1356586
Shut the fuck up you nigger faggot.
>>1360497
No idea, but I do know that the KWA's MP9 is considered much more sturdy than their MP7.
>>1360505
Makes sense, talking real steel, it's a better weapon.
>>1360505
Oh yeah and mags are $55 for what ever reason. The magazines for my WE M14, which use more material, cost less.
>>1360416
KWA mac11 is fun in a box basically
>>1360559
I heard they're full metal and actually operate like a real open-bolt gun, which appeals to me, but I don't really like the ergos of the MAC-11 or MAC-10, I'd consider ordering a pair of those Lage grips, but I don't know if they fit, and they're awfully expensive (as they would be), as well as some sort of replacement stock.
>>1360636
Both the KWA/KSC and HFC Mac 11 have plastic receivers. You would need to get a G&P kit to make it full metal, but those are pretty hard to find nowadays.
>>1360714
Gah, why is everything nice always out of grasp somehow?!
>>1360726
why would you care about a mac11 being "nice"? it's not a nice gun. it's the most utilitarian way to blast out 1100 rps with gbb, and it succeeds and is basically just fun as hell. I actually had one for about 6 years before it finally croaked, and i bet I could fix it if I bothered to. Mag never leaked.
>>1360757
I mean more that I've had a plastic MAC and without the authenticity of a metal body, all you're left with is the substandard ergos and top heavy-ness
Does anyone know of a good M1 Garand? Preferably something that you could get from the EU?
>>1361502
Actually, any WW2 semi-automatic rifle would be good.
I've hot a question. I'm mainly a /k/ommando, but do pop on /asp/ occasionally for martial arts stuff. I've asked before how the firearm community feels about using airsoft as a training supplement for real firearms training, and got mixed results. I was wondering how the airsoft community feels.
You have been visited by the high level 811 leader of high level airsoft. If you prove you're high level enough, you can change the rules at you're field to whatever you want for 1 game.
>post your high level rules here.
>>1360426
I see, good to know. Id probably want the screw to be made too. Ive seen a version with a knob instead of allen screw. I dont mind changes in design, I dont find the rhynotek design pretty at all, I just want an adapter and possibly the trigger think to be utilized
Anyone going to the G&G / Evike event at Code Red in southern California? I'm playing on the green team because fuck Jet.
>>1360497
I have a KWA MP9, I have to say the stock is rather sturdy. no flex, and the small bit of wobble is tiny and I can't say I have ever noticed it.
it also locks into place nicely, and I have yet been able to shake it loose.
>>1363193
Its good for weapon manipulation, practice reloads, drills and maybe even cqb scenarios but wont ever be able to simulate that recoil.
How are the rules at your local field? Rules at my local field are allright in my opinion
>full auto allowed everywhere except a group of buildings in the middle of the field
>1,2 joule limit for guns capable of full auto, 2,25 joule for semi-auto snipers and 3 joule for bolt action snipers (fairly low limits for full autos because its a small field with lots of close range situations)
>shields allowed, can be destoyed by tapping on them or firing an airsoft grenade at them
>must call out grenades
>>1363193
Its good for learning small units tactics, reloading and communication. I'm nogunz, but I'm fairly sure it might teach you wrong shooting techniques (because of no recoil).
>>1363749
No commercial fields here. There are some spoken rules and FPS limits, but I don't think anybody ever enforced them.
>>1363749
>>must call out grenades
never got the point of this desu
>>1363877
I refuse to call out grenades unless they do something, spread baby powder, pellets, whatever. Otherwise they're just scares or distraction devices like Thunder-Bs.
And don't get me started on using fireworks as grenades. Fuckers doing this forced me to buy active hearing protectors.
>>1364037
People should just make up their fucking minds when playing airsoft. They treasure it for realism, but then force hundreds of make-believe rules like the bang rule or even dummy grenades doing shit.
I'm all for silent kills or using bang rule as courtesy, but hell lads, sometimes I feel like some people don't even consider feeling a little pain an option.
>>1364066
I think most of these rules are at fields, and for safety reasons.
>>1364078
True. We don't have fields over here so maybe that's the source of my tard rage.
Also, I wish someone made a replica of a GL like that. That would solve a lot of issues I have, especially when a F2000 is involved.
>>1363549
Shoot out jet and end up in a video
Godspeed anon
How often do these big sales come around? I see Evike has 24% off. I havnt played airsoft in a few years and am wondering if I need to jump on this or if it'll be back in a few months.
>>1364185
Evike always has a "20% off" coupon going but most items are already on sale or MAP so its useless. Just use the 3 free say shipping code since the shipping is usually more expensive than any coupon savings unless you're buying really expensive non-MAP items.
>>1364192
I got 24% off on a ghk Akm, so that was pretty neat
Guess the margins on those are usually quite high.
Hey /asp/,
how viable/necessary 'sidearms' are?
>>1364400
Depends on the field, local rules, your "role", your main rifle and your attitude.
Not very viable for forest games with a assault rifle, very viable or even necessary when there are building involved and there's a 350FPS rule.
Also very viable for snipers and LMG guys.
>>1363464
I'd ban 811
Well, I ordered my AKM and TT-33 kit. We'll see how being a snowflake goes over at my local field that's nothing but devgru and etc.
>>1363508
>we'll model up something and test print This would give us the chance to verify strength and you the opportunity to see actual photos before deciding to buy.
>will try and get to it by the end of next weekend
>>1363464
Only buttshots count.
>>1363749
>field rules
I'm fed up with this shit.
The only general rules that should exist are if you are hit you are dead, fps/joule limits and minimum distance limits depending on fps/joules.
Everything else is just retarded, pointless and troublesome because more rules means more chances of people breaking them (on purpose or not) to their advantage.
>>1364676
How is 'no climbing on shit' going to lead to abuse, for example?
>>1364185
Megastore has a better deal right now with 65% off. MAP rules still apply, but if you need regular stuff, like bbs, now is a great time to jump on it. Flyye Industries gear is also eligible.
>>1363749
>400 fps limit for all guns except HPA
>1.5 joule limit chrono'd w/ .30 bbs for HPA guns
>3 round burst limit for EPAR guns
>players divided into 2 groups by skill level
>standard 10 foot minimum engagement distance
>no hosing, burst or semi only
and the best part
>dedicated "full auto" games with no where you are encouraged to spray people at 50+ rps
That last one gives anyone who wants to a place to speedsoft to their heart's content and seperates them from people who just want to play without getting lit up.
>>1364830
>players divided into 2 groups by skill level
>no singles allowed
>>1364831
Not really what I meant, but ok
>GBB SVU-AS project nearing completion
>CAD files sent to Chinese factory for production
>Suddenly Chinese manufacturers come up with SVU-AS AEG
>Can't compete with price
>GBB SVU-AS cancelled
>>1364761
"No climbing on shit" is a shit rule period. With or without abuse.
>How is 'no climbing on shit' going to lead to abuse
Without going into details, if there is a rule that says "don't climb on shit" and you climb on shit, people are going to assume that no one is climbing on shit and ignore the top of said shit because supposedly there shouldn't be people in there.
>>1364884
I don't see the problem. If someone shoots you while standing on top of something upon which they should not have climbed, you are not obligated to call the hit. You should, in fact, call the ref.
No climbing rule almost certainly comes from the fields' insurance policies.
>>1364676
Or maybe you just kick out or ban the players who break the rules.
>>1364830
What if I use 0,25g or 0,20g bbs with my HPA rifle? Am I forced to play with a disadvantage because someone got analblasted by HPA abuser?
>>1363464
He looks like he has Down syndrome.
>>1364888
>I don't see the problem. If someone shoots you while standing on top of something upon which they should not have climbed, you are not obligated to call the hit.
Then you must be blind. You are thinking about just one rule, not about the sum of them all. Looking at it that way it is indeed quite simple and not troublesome at all.
>you are not obligated to call the hit
Yeah because that would work well, huh.
>get hit
>don't call it because X rule was broken by the shooter
>"what the fuck man call your hits!"
>"no, you should stop breaking rule X!"
we can go deeper
>don't call your hit yadda yadda
>you were actually being hit by someone that didn't break any rules
Totes not a problem, huh.
I could keep going for all day. Rules are counter-productive because they are unfair to those who actually follow them.
>No climbing rule almost certainly comes from the fields' insurance policies.
I've played in fields that allow it, other that don't, others that make you sign a disclaimer about how you are responsible for everything that happens to you or something like that.
>>1364908
>just kick out or ban the players who break the rules
Yeah, because a field wants to get rid of customers like that. Just look at how many people gets banned for minor stuff.
If the fields had to get rid of everyone who breaks one rule they would run out of players in less than a month.
Chances are neither of you (and most of the people in this general for that matter) hasn't played in a "ruleless" field since y'all act like it's some kind ref-less hell on earth. Ruleless fields are significantly more civil than your average field with a thousand stupid ass rules simply because there's no rules to break, which means there's no "THAT GUY IS BREAKING X AND Y RULE WHAT THE FUCK MAN" arguments.
>>1364908
die in a fire you jew loving queer
>>1364966
So what brand of black mascara and nail polish do you wear? Do you find that your numerous piercings interfere with your face protection?
>>1364924
They use .30s at the chrono station. After your gun gets chronographed you can use whatever weight bbs you want.
>>1364974
>no counter argument
Expected as much.
Anyways, if endless rules are your thing then have fun at the fields you go to. I couldn't care less.
>>1364966
ur attitude is bad and ur arguments are also bad t b h
>>1364966
>>get hit
>>don't call it because X rule was broken by the shooter
>>"what the fuck man call your hits!"
>>"no, you should stop breaking rule X!"
I don't see anything wrong with this
>>1364996
>your attitude is bad
How?
>your arguments are bad
How can be a fact a bad argument?
If someone doesn't respect rules, he's at an advantage over those who do. Period.
Try again.
>>1365001
>I don't see anything wrong with people not calling hits over what they think is rule-breaking
>I don't see anything wrong with constant arguments in the middle of a game
>I don't see anything wrong with the refs being overloaded and leave the field unattended
>I don't see anything wrong in not calling hits that might or might not be legitimate
Nothing wrong at all.
Not only none of you have never been to a ruleless field but none of you have been a ref either. It clearly shows.
>>1365014
You know you have to be 18 to browse 4chan right?
>>1363464
>>1364939
>He looks like he has Down syndrome
tfw the gorilla looks like a potato
>>1365026
Great retort. You sure showed me.
>>1364884
>"No climbing on shit" is a shit rule period.
my field has a live fire range next to it
they specifically say don't climb shit so you don't get hit by either debris or ricochet, even if it would be rare
you can kill yourself tbqh
>>1365038
and besides
if there was a no climbing rule and someone didn't call a hit from you climbing on shit, what the fuck are you gonna do? cry to the ref because "waaah he's not calling hits because I decided to be a monkey and not listen to the rules"
>>1365047
>someone didn't call a hit from you climbing on shit, what the fuck are you gonna do?
It's not about what you are going to do it's about the problems that breaking rules leads to and the advantage that someone breaking rule has over those who don't. Read my posts again if you got lost somewhere in the discussion.
If there is a no climbing rule and you climb on top of something and hit someone that didn't see you, what the fuck is he gonna do? cry to the ref because he got hit by someone breaking a rule? oh wait he can't because he didn't see you breaking the rule to begin with.
You all keep acting like you are going to be seen breaking rules 100% of the time. Now extrapolate that example to other rules and you'll see that I'm right if you are not totally in denial.
>>1365036
Nobody is going to take you seriously when you argue that safety restrictions are impossible as a concept. And they're certainly not going to bother arguing about it.
>>1364975
Do you not understand how joule creep works with HPA guns? If I were to set up a HPA gun to shoot 1,5J with 0,30g bbs, I'd shoot lot less with 0,25g and 0,20g bbs. If I were to set the dwell for 0,45g bbs, but the pressure low enough for 0,30g bbs shoot 1,5J, I would be able to play shooting probably closer to 2J with the 0,45g bbs.
Guns have to be tested with the bb that the player uses to play.
>>1365071
You keep talking about climbing on stuff. That was one example of a rule(not even provided by me, mind you). I never talked specifically about climbing, I talked about unnecessary and sometimes overly limiting rules.
If someone shouldn't be taking others seriously that should be me, since seems like NONE of you still comprehend what this is about.
And "not climbing" for safety reasons is not a 'game rule', it's a safety measure. For me that's what makes those two things entirely different even though in the end they are stopping people from doing exactly the same.
>>1365127
>If someone shouldn't be taking others seriously that should be me, since seems like NONE of you still comprehend what this is about.
You know if not a single person has been able to comprehend what you're trying to say maybe it's because you're absolutely shit at expressing yourself. What the fuck ARE you talking about? Try to express yourself instead of just acting like an angry child. Because acting like an angry child is what makes everyone dismiss everything you say.
>And "not climbing" for safety reasons is not a 'game rule', it's a safety measure.
If something is prohibited as a safety measure then it's actually way way more important than the game rules. The safety measures are about fire hazard and risk for injury. Actual REAL danger of heatl, not just some arbitrary rules made up by the people who run the place. Safety regulations.
If you can't respect safety regulations then you shouldn't be anywhere near anything that could discharge a projective. Not even toy guns. Not even a fucking nerf gun. Because you clearly can't understand the concept of safety.
And you wonder why everyone thinks you're 14 years old?
>>1364966
>Yeah, because a field wants to get rid of customers like that
Of course you'll kick out the players who cause discomfort for the whole userbase. Would you rather lose most of your customers who play fair or only couple ADHD kids with authority issues? If the organizators are constantly banning and kicking out players, there's probably somekind of issue within the organization. Why are the players not following the rules? Do they know the rules? Do they intentionally break the rules even if they know them? Are the rules hard to follow? Are they too vague?
>customers
Have you considered the possibility that not all of the fields are businesses? None of the fields around here create any meaningful revenue. Some fields are completely free to play while others charge only couple euros so that they can pay the rent for the land.
>Chances are neither of you (and most of the people in this general for that matter) hasn't played in a "ruleless" field
I have. AEGs were shooting hotter than pimped out BASRs. The opposing players required a lot of convincement that they were hit. Sure was fun. For obvious reasons, that field doesn't exist anymore.
>>1365147
>I have. AEGs were shooting hotter than pimped out BASRs. The opposing players required a lot of convincement that they were hit. Sure was fun. For obvious reasons, that field doesn't exist anymore.
pollack here, that's more or less what happens on majority games I'm playing. There's no point to carry a LMG or BASR, there's at least one agry dispute each game if there's more than a handful of players. Usually one team dominates the other, which is full of newbies.
>>1363464
Who is that, what is 811, and why are they bashed so much here?
>>1365138
>if not a single person has been able to comprehend what you're trying to say maybe it's because you're absolutely shit at expressing yourself
I made my point very clear. I even said that I was talking about rules in general and not specifically about climbing in different posts. Not my fault people think this is about climbing and nothing else.
>What the fuck ARE you talking about?
I'll say it once again. I'm talking about how unnecessary game rules cause trouble more often than not and how the people breaking said rules are at an advantage compared to those who don't break them, thus making rules unfair.
>instead of just acting like an angry child
I didn't act angry at all. If you are going to dismiss my posts based on the delusion that I'm angry just say it and I'll stop posting. I have no need to waste time explaining why rules are retarded for the 100th time if you are going to stay in denial and pretend like my posts are fueled by rage or something on those lines.
>If something is prohibited as a safety measure then it's actually way way more important than the game rules.
Nowhere I said otherwise. You STILL don't understand that my problem is with game rules, not safety rules.
If the field enforces a no-climb rule (or any other rule) for safety reasons I have nothing against it. My problem is with game rules.
I'll give you some examples since that seems to be the only thing that works:
>having to show 50% of your body when shooting someone
>semi-auto only, no matter what replica or fps/joule you have
>can't shoot through anything unless it's big enough for a person to go through
>can't stay in the same spot for more than 5 minutes
Those are the rules I'm talking about. Those rules are a detriment to the game and are not enforced for safety reasons.
>>1365147
>AEGs were shooting hotter than pimped out BASRs
>opposing players required a lot of convincement that they were hit
>>1364676
>general rules that should exist are if you are hit you are dead, fps/joule limits and minimum distance limits depending on fps/joules
You didn't play in a ruleless field, you played in a cesspool. Ruleless field are not actualy ruleless, seems like you played in the airsoft version of a illegal rave.
>>1364984
Can't provide a counter argument because that would require you to first produce an argument at all
>>1365014
I still don't see how letting people get away with breaking rules is better than a short argument.
>>1363877
It notifies refs to pay attention where the grenade lands so there is no argument about who is out
>>1365269
>Can't provide a counter argument
Exactly.
>that would require you to first produce an argument at all
Try reading the numerous posts that you conveniently ignored.
>>1365271
>I still don't see how letting people get away with breaking rules
No one is talking about letting people get away with breaking rules though.
Hey /ASG/
Got a 1911 here but I'm having trouble with proper cycling.
Whenever the magazine is empty and I fill it with gas, it will function normally- but when I put a loaded mag into it and try firing, the gun immediately jams, with the nozzle buried in the back end of the barrel and the barrel a bit forward, whenever I press the barrel back it puts it back to it's normal state but will do the same thing on the next round. I feel it could either be a magazine problem or barrel issue
Any ideas?
