My sister recently bought a tri head corgi for $900 USD. Do you think spending this much on a dog is ridiculous and how much did you buy your dog for?
>>2119437
A good breeder will generally price puppers for a good amount.
>>2119437
If she plans to breed it matters but if she doesnt it dont
unless that means the dog has three heads she's dumb as shit, dogs don't cost that much.
>>2119437
>tri head corgi
Tri-color Corgi
>>2119437
>Tri head corgi
Holy shit, I didn't know Cerberus dogs were taking off!
$200. he's a pit/husky puppy from a local rescue. came fixed, vaccinated, with a leash/collar, tags, 6 months free pet insurance, and three free puppy training classes.
>>2119463
Some purebred dogs cost an upward of $2000 if they're show dogs or bred for gaming.
>>2119463
people will pay through the ass for meme breeds, even if theyre a shit breeder. I know a guy that paid almost a grand for a shiba inu puppy, who died of parvo shortly after and later found out the breeder lied about the puppies being vaccinated
>>2119615
>>2119613
My mother just paid $2,000 dollars for my puppers. She's an Irish Goldendoodle. My dad and I agree, shes just a fancy mutt. That being said, she's the best dog I've ever had (cuz shi tzus suck) and I'd say shes worth every penny. Insanely smart and athletic, with a huge personality.
>>2119731
>Insanely smart and athletic, with a huge personality.
if this was all you're going for, a shelter mutt would've been fine too and a lot less expensive
>>2119437
I paid 900 dollars for my beagle.
>>2119738
>a shelter mutt would've been fine
Is that true though? I've been trying to get a specific breed that's uncommon and live in a smaller city so not many here. Finally found one puppy for $1.5k from a real breeder but I don't want to pay that much.
I'm worried about a shelter dog being dumb and having health issues desu. As well as being too big. I want a toy that's smart and energetic.
I want a GSD but to avoid hip dysplasia, I'm gonna have to buy from a breeder. Ofc I'll only support one who does extensive health testing on both parents and works their dogs.
I got my border collie for $60 from the pound. She was a stray and missed out on critical socialization and training as a puppy. I love her tho. <3
>>2119731
You can find purebreds and designer dogs in shelters. I'm glad you got a good dog but your mom got ripped off.
>>2119835
What breed? Too much energy is what gets a lot of dogs dumped in shelters.
>>2119835
Breed specific rescues might be good for you. They tend to be pickier than shelters, might require a home visit, etc. But you should look into it. Google the breed you want like "Bichon rescue" for example.
My parents bought my weimaraner for $200-$300 with no vaccines nothing done, it was a shit pup when we got it. Needed a lot of care.
After I moved out we've only gotten shelter dogs, $120 for Reptar who came from the city's shelter with vaccinations, neuter, microchip, a $200 credit for a nearby vet, and they continued to pay for his heartworm treatment until he was negative.
Amos cost me $225 because he's huge (and rare breed according to them) from a private local shelter, only came with vaccinations, was fixed before he was ever picked up as a stray, microchipped, and had an old kong collar from his foster family. They had him for a month and he was still 20 lbs underweight.
I know someone who spent 2k for a french bulldog. a fucking inbred french bulldog that eats its own ahit and cant breath
>>2119437
If you're breeding or showing your dog, spending thousands of dollars is reasonable. If you're buying a dog as a pet, fuck you, adopt from a shelter
>>2119858
This, or using a dog for 'work' such as herding, farm dogs in general, etc. They got a job to do.
>>2119858
I want to do agility and be very active with my dog (running 20+ miles a week) but a lot of dogs in the shelter are predisposed to joint problems sadly.
>>2119835
>toy
>smart
Pick one
>>2119868
>implying purebreds arent
and running on concrete or asphalt in general is shit for your joints, the dog's too
>>2119835
>I've been trying to get a specific breed that's uncommon
there are breed specific rescues, but why does it matter?
>don't want to pay that much
if you're set on that uncommon breed then the only way you'd find a dog any cheaper is if they're inbred to all hell from a BYB, and that's where the health problems would come in. a bit "slow" too
>I'm worried about a shelter dog being dumb and having health issues desu
the whole "dumb mutt" thing is a myth. ours regularly sends dogs to an organization that trains them to be search and rescue animals for disaster situations. we have a dog now that's so smart he figured out the kennel cleaning schedule and how to open the dividing door of his kennel to escape. there's plenty of smart mutts. and it depends what you even mean by "dumb"
and as far as health goes, mutts have less health issues
>small vs big
this could be a problem depending where you live because small dogs do get adopted faster typically, but a lot of areas have plenty of them. even more options if you look at local rescues as well
I paid $400 for my golden. A farmer just outside my city used his goldens for work and they had an accidental litter. I know it's basically a BYB but the pups had already begun socialization and house training when we got him, plus the first few vaccinations. He's a wonderful dog.
A lady on my street paid $2500 for an Alaskan Klee Kai and he just sits in the backyard all day
>>2119437
$2300 for my Pomeranian. Both parents were from champion show lines and health tested twice before being bred. He also came house broken and heavily socialised, so he was pretty much a grab and go puppy.
Their usual going price is $3000, but he's a bit bigger than standard size, which I didn't mind as I wanted a larger pom anyway.
>>2119738
>>2119844
Oh I know. She really wanted a goldendoodle, and I searched shelters for them for probably 6 months, and she didn't like any of the ones I showed her, mostly because none of them were really puppies, I think. I tried really hard, but she just wouldn't have it. Money isn't really an issue in my family, so the 2k wasn't really much of a deciding factor, unfortunately.
>>2119437
Bought my tri color Pembroke almost 3 years ago now. $900. Best dog ever.
her name is Zoey.
>>2119892
>>2119846
There aren't breed specific rescues here.
I know some breeds are a lot better at obedience. At least if I know the breed generally rates among the most intelligent that it will likely be smart too. I probably couldn't tell at the shelter which dogs are smart. There is no dog equality, some breeds really are smarter than others. I'll probably check the shelter out but I imagine it's full of medium large square head dogs that every scum bag buys before realising they have made a mistake and don't have time to train or walk it. I don't want one of those. I guess I really do want the breed that I have my heart set on though so maybe I won't get a dog for now. But who knows maybe I'll visit a shelter and find a dog that isn't totally trash.
>>2119888
>>2119846
Papillons are smart and I know many small dogs aren't, that's why I want one. As well as for the appearance.
>>2120342
you do realize there has been no actual scientific evidence to support any sort of list on the "smartest" breeds, right? mostly shilling by kennel clubs
>>2120348
Muh all dogs are the same. All humans are equal. Kill yourself.
>>2120342
>>2120348
Yeah, I worked in a petstore for 3 years and I never saw a papillon that wasn't a retarded, yappy, aggressive shit. My friend has a mix that she cannot train to not bark and is no longer allowed at dog parks because he will attack the other dogs as well as run under them to intentionally get peed on.
>>2120356
I don't mind if it's "yappy and aggressive" and I can understand why some people would get that impression. I prefer to refer to that as being energetic. And I think it's good. :)
Can't really comment on your friends problems, could be their fault.
I got my chihuahua for 275 at the humane society. She's a year old.
>>2120365
Adding on to this, she came spayed, vaccinated, microchipped, and with coupons for free vet visits. Worth it to me. She's quiet, sweet, and smart
>>2120362
Well I hope you don't have any neighbors and plan to never take it outside
>>2119437
>tri head corgi
you can't guard the gates of the underworld, corgi!
>>2120355
>triggered over realizing there's no actual guidelines on what a "smart" breed is becides what kennel clubs tell you
are you a breedfag or something?
there's so actual scientific study supporting the notion that certain breeds are inherently smarter than others. that's how it is. if you can find one saying otherwise then please link me to it
otherwise stop being an edgefag. the "hurr this breed is so smart" talk is usually just people being biased towards a certain breed they like
>>2120362
>I don't mind yappy and aggressive
>tfw you're going to be one of those people who have a cute toy dog that is extremely aggressive and tries to bite everyone
>I think of it as energetic :)))
scratch what I said earlier. don't adopt from shelter, because you shouldn't even have a dog in the first place
>>2119437
I bought mine for 2200 CAD
Mind you she's going to be shown and bred
I paid 600$ for my first dog. The two dogs that I grew up came from the same breeder, they both lived until 15 and were incredibly smart, athletic, and charming nd didn't have health problems until the last year of life.
So far my dog is exactly like them: incredibly easy to train and charming. It's worth the price if you know that the breeder's history is trustworthy.
This thread seems like a lot of butthurt poor people who couldn't afford a purebred and lash out at people with money and push the "mutts are just as good as purebred!" meme.
The breeders who meet my socialization and health requirements are at least 800 to 2000+ for a pup.
It is worth it to know the genetic history and know that the have been handled and properly socialized at a young age.
>>2120990
$600 is pretty cheap and means shitty back yard breeder so lay off the I'm so much cooler than you bullshit. If you had paid at least $2k for a quality dog then you could brag a bit you poor loser.
>>2120990
>meme
>http://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.242.11.1549
>http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167587703000102
>http://m.biomedgerontology.oxfordjournals.org/content/52A/3/B171.short
>http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0168159101001551
>http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1939-1676.2001.tb01242.x/abstract
>http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1939-1676.2011.0695.x/full
>http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1090023313004486
>>2120983
I don't need scientific studies to know obvious truths about the world like that some breeds are a lot smarter. Smarter being defined by problem solving and obedience to human commands.
>>2121057
>Smarter being defined by problem solving
there are a lot of ways intelligence is shown, anon. and even then, it's all anecdotal. that other anon saying that all the papillons she's met were aggressive idiots shows that they are NOT a smart breed, by your standards
>obedience to human commands
huskies are thought to be very smart dogs, yet they also often ignore commands by humans and don't listen. does this make them stupid?
>>2121062
>huskies are thought to be very smart dogs, yet they also often ignore commands by humans and don't listen. does this make them stupid?
What most people want as far as "intelligence" in a dog is an animal that's smart enough not to do retarded shit but not so smart that it has its own agenda beyond what humans expect of it.
>>2119437
lol, I just handed over $2,050 and a $500 deposit on top of it for this girl just today
>millions of dogs are put down every year
>50$ a dog, sometimes as low as 20$
>nope, gonna go ahead and drop 2000$ into a dog that is guaranteed a home instead of the unlucky bastards forever on doggy death row.
fucking retards, the lot of you.
>>2119437
I paid ~$400 for each of my two poodle mixes 14 years ago.
I bred them and made the money back plus.
>>2121062
M8 I'm not arguing the definition of intelligence with you. There are breeds that excel at obedience and they are considered intelligent. Intelligent dog is how I define it in regards to MY purchase of a dog. Your arguments about what intelligence is are irrelevant.
>>2121068
Why is it my problem that niggers abandon dogs. Maybe you should get talk to the byb and the dumb asses that abandon dogs.
>>2121068
>go to the shelter
>pick a nice quiet middle aged dog
>proceeds to bite a portion of my sister's nose off
You get what you pay for
>>2121068
>guilt tripping and blaming people who pay for pure breeds when you should be advocating spay/neuter
Shut up faggot, it isn't my fault nobody takes proper care of their dog
>>2121068
>muh bazzillions
Fuck off PETA, I don't want some shitty damaged dog
>>2121076
Why can't he advocate for both? They are not mutually exclusive
>>2121076
>>2121074
Read a few pages, you may learn something.
>>2119437
Did it actually have three heads?
Because if so, yes
Name it Cerebus
>>2121346
>your perceptions are inherently in accurate
he's got a point.
why would anyone want a dog trained by someone that can't even keep a dog?
>>2121536
for him to say that would imply all dogs entering shelters are "damaged" or badly behaved. this is of course not true
plus it all depends on what he means by damaged or whatever the hell hes on about. for a dog to be damaged or badly trained it would imply he means an adult dog. guys like this tend to have a flawed view of what it's like to actually own dog. does he expect to be able to get a 2 year old dog from an energetic breed that will walk perfectly on leash and never bark and never jump and never chew anything and never need a lot of exercise or playtime and have perfect recall and know ten commands from the first day they walk through the door? that's a lot to ask for, no matter where you get a dog. if that's what you want, it's going to take training, be it an adult dog (which is a lot of times easier with basic obedience and mild behavior) or puppy. and yes, you can adopt puppy. walk into a petsmart on a Saturday morning
and even then, not all dogs enter shelters under the same circumstances from the same owners. had a 6 month old GSD come in as a stray, he was potty trained and knew how to sit, lie down, and was great with other dogs. even sent him to a nursing home to hang out with the old folks and he did great. but nah, he's just a "damaged" shelter dog. or a really great pointer mix who was so friendly and smart he was sent to be trained as a search and rescue dog for disaster situations
seriously, statements like that shows he doesn't have a lot of experience or knowledge on what dogs really are in shelters or rescues. or he's just looking at the shittiest ones like stray intake in SoCal and assuming that's what all of them are like
I picked up my doge at a free adoption event (utility bill or some address verification needed past an ID) over 2hrs away from where I lived at the time. I donated the $250 in cash I had on me to their shelter.
>>2121623
Can't beat a corgi/sheltie mix for free!
>>2121346
Learn to read faggot, I never said I wasn't going to spay my dog
>>2121346
>my perceptions are inaccurate
First of all, learn to fucking spell, it's one word.
Secondly I have first hand experience with 2 shelter rescues in my family, the first bit my sister's face and the second is a bag of frayed nerves that is just a massive burden
Sorry, but the story of the starfish is fucking retarded, if it were accurate for this scenario they would be covered in barbs
>>2121567
So you think that adopting is a better option to going to a breeder, and then you say shit like "walk into petsmart on a saturday morning"
I guess you are unfamiliar with puppy farms, because that is exactly where those dogs come from
Way to feed the cruelty machine you dumb fuck, do everyone a favor and stop trying to dish out advice and tell people how to spend their money.
>>2121672
Petsmart hosts events where they bring in shelter puppies and kittens, and the cats they keep there are all shelter ones they are trying to adopt out. The cats even have little blurbs about where they came from and why they were abandoned.
I know you're trying to make a good point, but things have changed a lot over the last couple of years.
https://www.petsmartcharities.org/adopt-a-pet/adoption-events
>>2121670
simmer down m8, autocorrect on a phone can be a bitch
>bit sister's face
that really is unfortunate, but you need to put a bit more context into the situation for it to really support the argument that the dog bit BECAUSE it was a rescue dog, and that the bite wasn't provoked and that you went through a reputable organization to begin with. I've worked with a lot of dogs, and can assure you that even dogs from breeders can and do bite people. shocker, I know
>bundle of nerves
a reputable adoption agency would be able to tell you that and any other behavior information they have beforehand, and it's usually pretty obvious from the dog's other behaviors if they have anxiety issues or not. how much did you actually look into the places you went to before getting a dog from them, like they way they behaviorally assess their dogs? it's not difficult at all
and again, it's a bit weird to compare getting a dog as a puppy vs an adult, it's two completely different things. there are advantages and disadvantages of both. if you want to mold a dog into exactly what you want and you're too inept to find a decent organization and pick an adult dog, you can adopt a puppy. but then again any "damage" the dog would have once grown would be your own fault, so no excuses there.
>>2121672
>>2121682
this
>>2121685
Fucking lol, the dog was laying on a bed and she was petting her
Don't try and act like she might have been abusing her, it's beyond laughable.
>b-but it must have been provoked!
>muh innocent rescues!
Shut the fuck up, as I said I have personal experience and I don't need some chucklefuck anon on 4chan telling me I must be mistaken. My entire family would let people die to protect our animals
But the final point is this. Do you really think you're making any kind of difference? Shelters are really only good for ending suffering, not ending the homeless animal problems. Why do you think those pyschopaths at PETA even do it by the truckloads? Because it is the only practical solution.
I'm not going to roll the dice on my life by going to a shelter to get a dog that might have something simmering underneath and could explode at any time, which again I personally experienced. Saying, "Yeah, well that happens, shocker" is a totally unacceptable response. All that happened is now that dog is dead after it attacked someone.
Stop lying to yourselves, grow the fuck up.
I got both my dogs for free because my brothers bought them and did not want them anymore.
>Pure bred Wired haired German pointer
Very good looking dog especially for his breed, I have had people stop their cars when walking him to compliment him.My brother got him from a shitty puppy farm without knowing he came in awful condition and cost about 50+ euro.
I got him because my brother move and did not have the space I do so I took him in. Every so often my brother brought him hunting but hes too old now.
>Pure bred yellow Labrador.
I may sound biased but this guy is very good looking too even for his breed, they both have nice faces. My lab is very handsome when it comes to the face and I constantly get compliments about him and he is a sweety pie.
My other brother payed 200 euro for him, he and his wife wanted a cute little andrex puppy but the andrex puppy grew into a big dog, not suitable for a small house or the box garden they kept him.
They were gonna give him to the pound because they could not keep him and he was too hard to manage.
He was cute and I could not imagine him being stuck in the pound and eventually getting put down for being un manageable.
I think I made my brother feel bad because the dog was really willing to learn, the german pointer was already well trained because my brother wanted a good gun dog but this lab did not even know how to sit. He was crazy at first, pissing off my other dog, chasing cats and eating everything but he was really willing for me to take charge and teach him manners, I had him sitting the first night I got him, not being aggressive with food or snapping it out of my hand the next day, fetching the third and bunch of other commands too, within a week he was a well rounded easy to mange dog and the cats made him his bitch.
He fucking adores kids too, my nephew use to hate him but now he wants him back.
>>2119731
>Irish Goldendoodle.
What the fuck is that? Like an Irish setter, poodle and golden retriever?
>find dog on street
>take home
>nurse back to health
>best friends
>free dog
>>2119913
>their usual going price is $3000
are you insane? every breeder ive seen is under 1k for a pom pup, with champion parents and standard size. i got mine for $300. and you paid $2300 for one that isn't even in the standard? jesus christ you must be a chump. fucking scammed by a dog breeder
I don't want a dog from a shelter because they are spay or neutered. You can't have sex with a dog that's been desexed.
>>2121727
I know it's supposed to be a joke but it isn't even true, put some effort in
>>2121727
It's not like they sew up the butt or vagina, seriously you need to learn your dog anatomy. Go fuck a dog.
>>2119437
My mom got this papillon for $70 without papers because who cares. I would spend more than $100 for a dog, that is why I don't like shelter fags.
>>2121726
If you think you got a purebred pom for $300 it sounds like you're the one who was scammed.
>>2119437
Bull Mastador (Labrador x Bull Mastiff) shelter puppy
She's a great dog but because she was left at the pound too early and policy is to desex all the dogs that come through she has a hormone problem that causes her to wet her bed
>>2122349
and I forgot price
$100 because she was a puppy; $150 for registration
>>2121726
This must be a regional thing or you're mistaken. This is the most expensive Pom on my local kijiji...not even from a legit breeder. The cheapest I found was 950
>>2119437
yes.
They could have fucking gone to any shelter, adopted a nice puppy for free and donated $900 to the shelter.
>>2121691
Say what you want, but dogs do not bite unprovoked.
>>2122516
You're an idiot
>>2122516
>all dogs are inherently good!
>he didn' do nufin'!
naive
>>2121691
I bet she tried to literally kick the dog off the bed
>>2122577
Just because the trigger isn't obvious to YOU doesn't mean it isn't obvious to the dog, not to mention that a lot of people can't read nonverbal dog body language very well. the fact that people think a dog wagging their tail always means happy/friendly is a prime example of this. dog truely biting unprovoked are an extreme abnormality
>>2122641
or she missed body language cues saying the dog was uncomfortable like a whale eye or freezing or change in tail position. or the dog has handling sensitivities that she didn't account for. or a fucking million other reasons dogs bite. that's why you should take all "dog bit unprovoked" stories with a grain of salt
>>2122648
Unless a dog is being attacked and has to defend itself any bite is completely unacceptable
Thinking that there are no damaged dogs out there that falsely interpret the behavior of others is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard
Shitty that the dog was probably abused in the past or something, but please, blaming the hapless new owner is absurd and that dog needs to be put down
>>2119437
my Great Pyrenees cost me 500 dollars delivered from three states over.
He does not have papers, other than a list of vaccinations, and his double dew claws are fused into one super-toe on each of his hind legs. In hindsight, I definitely bought a dog from a puppy mill, but I love the runty fucker.
>>2119837
Same for the GSD. Our first GSD got us hooked on the breed, but had to be put down because of degenerative myelopathy at around 10 years so I've been going over breeders with a fine toothed comb.
I've finally found a breeder who isn't breeding show wrecks and the pup will probably cost a grand each, but it'll be worth it to not have to worry about health problems. The breeders supply police dogs so hopefully that means the dog I get will be solid and not fall apart on me a year in.
and before people shriek 'GET A RESCUE' I have. She's a mutty sweetheart and both her back legs are knackered because she has shit breeding. Sometimes, you just can't win, and I want to try and make sure I get a sound dog for once.
>>2122755
This
It's like people who don't abort their severely handicapped kid and ruin the rest of their lives because it's the "right thing to do"
>>2122486
Fuck that ad pisses me off. Super super tiny teacup load of shit.
>>2119731
>Cuz shi tzus suck
you trying to get sliced and diced man? Shih tzus are the most alpha dogs going
Had a shih tzu who's grandad won best in breed at crufts, got him for £350. He was a runt and his tail curled like a pig but that pupper walked like he owned the whole fucking neighbourhood
>>2121691
>Shelters are really only good for ending suffering, not ending the homeless animal problems.
Reminder that some countries have laws against euthanisation, and still handle their animals just fine.
>>2121068
FUCK YOU I DON'T WANT A STAFFIE I WANT AN ACTUALLY NICE, NON-UGLY DOG!
Someone is shilling hard for shelters and mutts here. There is a problem all across 4chan that cheap things are lauded above all else in spite of being shitty, solely because it's the only thing poorfags can afford.
>>2122788
you know they let you pick, right? you don't just get assigned a dog at random.
>>2122790
And they let you pick from a wide variety of Staffordshire Bull Terriers kindly donated by the local white trash.
My brother's girlfriend spent $1,500 on a Jug (jack russell cross pug). It's the stupidest thing I've ever had the displeasure of meeting.
My friend's sister spent $4,000 on a french bulldog that has been going to a vet chiropractic ever since it was a puppy because it's hips are fucked.
We never paid for any of our dogs. We've had two labradors from my mum's cousin's farm, a stray lab x mutt who found us and a farm dog from an accidental litter from their working bitch.
It would actually be cheaper to adopt because we've had them all fixed which costs around $500. I don't want to deal with any rescue organisation nuts ever again though, applied once for a dog and the only thing they didn't ask me for is a cavity search.
>>2119861
This. A trained working dog can fetch $10-15k over here.
>>2122755
If you want a particular breed that is totally reasonable.
>>2122793
are you trying to say pit bull? do you have an aphasia?
>>2119437
Make sure it never gets into trash because it'll suffocate in a chip bag because it can't pull the bag off because tiny paws.
Enjoy!
in my city they retire police GSDs when they're like 5 and people get to adopt them at normal shelter prices.
>>2122801
Why would anyone want a dog that has been trained to attack at the drop of a hat
>>2122830
the two I know like that they listen well and behave off leash better than most people.
>>2119437
If you want a dog with solid genes, no preexisting trauma, and the morphological features you're going for, then sure, if you have the money it's fine.
I paid 1200 for my poodle-pointer mix because it's a rare cross and turns out to be exactly what I want in every way. A dog is an investment that lasts at least a decade, and if you know how to train and raise a top doge then you can pay whatever you want.
>>2122793
Ours is always full of Pomeranians, Chihuahuas, Dachshunds, and other small breed dogs. They go very fast, but there are still a lot of them. Maybe you live near an area that is full of white trash? It might be easier for you to find a rescue for the dog you want. They have them everywhere, and you get a wide selection of just one breed, while also giving a sad little puppy a home.
>>2122846
>I paid 1200 for my poodle-pointer mix because it's a rare cross and turns out to be exactly what I want in every way.
lol no
>>2122830
not all police dogs are trained to attack. Tracking and drug/bomb sniffing are probably more common.
>>2122869
Not to mention that attack dogs have an attack word and hand command. They won't just go off on anyone.
>>2121691
if you get overly close to a dog, and it feels trapped, or you are displaying dominant attitudes toward an untrained adult male dog, or you are hurting it--even accidentally--it will snap at you.
all dogs snap. ALL. Dogs. the shelter will tell you if you're getting one that has had issues in the past, try learning about the dog first
>>2122773
>some countries
what countries
>>2122900
It's kind of insane that there are actually didn' do nuffins for dogs
I love dogs, have had at least 4 in my house for about 90% of my life, but if you think for one minute that some dogs can't just be mean you need to get your ass out of sarah mclachlan's ass
>>2122906
Not that anon, I only know of Germany.
>>2122921
And I know of Egypt
>>2122900
>t. cuck
>>2122969
>I don't know shit about what actually happened so I'll just call the guy a liar and think the human is to blame
>>2122969
Yeah man, you're the only one in the world who really understands dog behavior
>>2119437
I bought this stupid little fuck from the shelter for $220 and have had him on Craigslist all week for $50. Little shit is going back this week. I thought I'd give a dog a try, since my girlfriend loves dogs and I've always been a cat person. Never again. I have never regretted a purchase as much as I regret getting this whiney, scared-pissing little faggot dog. Got this faggot leashed up outside until he goes back to the shelter.
>>2122976
no, it's your fault, you obviously are to blame for whatever behaviors he is exhibiting
>>2122976
youre the worst kind of person.
>>2122984
>why don't you want to live in abject misery for the rest of it's life? Shame on you
>>2122987
This ^
>>2122982
>>2122984
It's not my fault the little shit gets so excited when I come home that he pisses on the floor. I could just unleash him and let him run free with all the other Chihuahuas out here, but the fucking idiot would probably stay right in front of my house. Shit, I could just shoot him. Nobody here would give a fuck, but I want to get and recoupe some of my losses. Hence the Craigslist sale. If no one buys him, I have to go out of town next week, and he's getting dumped back at the same shelter on my way. What would you fucking do? Keep an animal that you hate?
>>2122990
I, for one, was being sarcastic
The others seem to be pretty serious in their opinion that all dogs are completely innocent of any wrong doing
Got her for 75 dollars from the pound and she's the best dog ever <3
She's sad in this picture because I was leaving for work
>>2122976
Dogs aren't for everyone, and not every dog is fit for every person, but you should at least keep him inside in a spare room or bathroom or something. Last thing you want is an animal neglect fine and to be treated as bad as a pedo in your community.
>>2122994
Well to be fair it's not like dogs are self aware or understand complex consequences. It's like saying it's a 2 year olds fault for breaking something. Sure, they broke a thing all by themselves. But they don't understand what they are doing or that they shouldn't be doing it until they are taught.
So in a way, any animal that isn't sentient enough to gather complex consequences and be able to rationalize, is completely innocent of wrong doing on purpose. It's not what we like to hear, but that's how it is.
>>2123112
>dog aren't self-aware
false
>>2123197
>false
this should be hilarious
>>2122976
people who return dogs who simply aren't working in the home despite trying aren't bad people. you, however, seem like a real piece of shit
first off, did you actually go to a decent shelter that could tell you about the dog's behavior? did they do a behavior assessment on him? because submissive behavior like (if you aren't just an exaggerating faggot) that wouldn't just magically appear once in the home. if you didn't put any effort in and just went to a random shitty shelter that just hands dogs to people without doing any kind of evaluation on them or adoption counseling, you really only have yourself to blame. did you even meet the dog before taking him home?
>and have had him on Craigslist all week for $50
you fucking asshole, return him to the shelter and give them information on how he did in the home so they can help make a better match for him, not put him through rehoming roulette on craigslist. in many adoption contracts private rehoming the dog is actually prohibited and it's stated that you must return the dog to the same organization that you got them from
>whiney, scared-pissing little faggot
so, all behaviors that are very easily managed with confidence building training, and not even accounting that most dogs take weeks to adjust to a new home and a new environment could just be freaking him out
>Got this faggot leashed up outside until he goes back to the shelter
have fun with your neglect citation
>It's not my fault the little shit gets so excited when I come home that he pisses on the floor
that's fucking puppy behavior, they usually grow out of it and can be managed with extremely basic easy training you dickwad
goes to show the type of people who "don't have patience" for shelter animals, the things you're complaining about are so basic and non-issues that I don't think you could ever care for something more than an outdoor cat you throw kibble at once a week and call your pet
>>2123207
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/03949370.2015.1102777?journalCode=teee20&
The problem is the mirror test. They switched it up and made it scent dependent and there you go
Honestly, how hard is it to believe that an animal as intelligent as a dog isn't self-aware?
>>2123232
what they found it that dogs don't spend much time sniffing their own urine.
this is similar to finding that tigers don't bite their own paws or something. It doesn't necessarily demonstrate awareness of self any more than not tripping on your own feet does.
>>2123238
please post your schooling credentials
>>2123232
but that doesn't answer the question of dogs biting people out of malicious intent or simply through fear and/or learned behavior from past owners and experinces
>>2123241
why?
can't argue the value of the methodology so we have to measure dicks to see who wins?
>>2123241
>one study says so, so it must be irrefutable fact and shouldn't be criticized or questioned
people like you make the academic community suck
>>2123244
he has no access to the academic community or he'd be the one criticizing the thing.
that's what they get paid to do.
>>2123238
>comparing scent identification to self harm
What?
>>2123248
>you have to be qualified before anyone gives a shit about your opinion
sort of.
you have to be qualified before your opinion gets published in a scientific journal.
I realize you aren't a scientist and I'd still like to hear your opinions on the methodology used. If you disagree with my criticism I'd like to hear why. Whether you're qualified or not you can have an opinion and criticize science or what others say about it.
>>2123250
I'm asking how knowing your own smell is different from knowing your own paws.
because if that's our standard for self-awareness it can be argued that every animal is self aware as are many plants. Which isn't believed by any scientist.
>>2121348
>feel good airport non fiction
fuck off
>>2119437
corgis are actually extraordinary cattle herding dogs, and $900 will pay for itself pretty quickly depending on how many cattle and the size of your plot of land.
Also, you can breed it if you are looking to sell puppies to idiots who would overpay for a dog instead of rescuing one from a shelter like a respectable human
>>2119853
Is your dog a newfie?
>>2123263
read it first
>>2121714
I did that, but she's aloof
>>2123287
Not gonna waste my time. Summarize the thesis, and keep out the diluted pop psychology, please
>>2123292
>wahh I'm too lazy to google
I'm not going to indulge your egotistical apathy
it was a textbook for my argumentative academic writing course, and extremely helpful. you might want to check it out since you seem to need help in that area
Breeder fags are the worst.
Perpetuating genetic defects for profit.
>>2123303
>proud of a community college course
I love how fitting it is that those who trade in self-affirming vulgar psychology always so strongly exemplify its poster boy, dunning kruger
>>2123309
Not him but you're just making yourself look like more of an ass.
it's a book about cognitive biases and failures in logic. It's amusing enough that you haven't read it, but it's really funny that you're trying to deny its merit. Like if you refuse to acknowledge it maybe it'll go away.
>>2123312
It's even more amusing that an anon well trained in the arts of argumentative academic writing would think citing a book's cover makes for an argument. The irony continues with her projection of "egotistical apathy", which is nothing but an accurate description of her own engagement with that post
Tavris is a hack who's made her career out of out smugging pop-psych's smugness for people who don't just read airport nonfic to feel smarter than normals, but feel smarter than other people who read that crap to feel smarters than normals. There's no reason to take that anon seriously for actually posting that book, let alone for doing it as mutely as she did, as if the marketing pitch on the cover alone spoke for itself
As dumb (literally) as the anon is, I am still curious to see a defense for >>2121068
Is there a moral imperative to adopt on the basis of limiting quasi-imprisonment/euthanization of abandoned dogs (as opposed to funding possible negative elements of the industry, e.g. genetic degeneration in pedigree breeding, shit condition "puppy factories", etc)?
>>2123321
>anon didn't discuss the contents of the book
does not invalidate the contents of the book
>author of book is "hack"
also says nothing about the contents of the book
>readership of book includes pretentious snobs
still says nothing about the contents of the book
>I haven't read the book but I know it's shit
speaks for itself to your knowledge of the contents of the book.
since nobody seems interested in discussing the contents of the book I guess I'm done and will wander off to some other thread.
>Is there a moral imperative
kek
>>2123324
>I refuse to read it because it's shit, but please tell me all about it so I can call it shit.
yeah, totally legit invitation to discuss.
>>2123333
You cited the book as relevant to the discussion. I'd like to hear what specific arguments you're referring to
Posting the whole book and just saying "read it" is absurd and childishly obstructive. You can't still be serious. It's clearly not even the topic of the book, it probably engages with it for one chapter at most and you couldn't even provide that.
Or was the problem that I asked you to cut out the trash pop psych, thus rejecting the entirety of the book? My bad, but at least you had the decency to admit it to yourself, if not me.
>>2123338
>You cited the book as relevant to the discussion.
no I didn't.
>It's clearly not even the topic of the book
what do you mean by "it"?
the topic of the book is cognitive biases and errors.
the whole thing. That's what it's all about.
>>2123340
Wait, so you just randomly posted it with no relevance to the posts you quoted? Are you a shill or just autistic
>>2123341
I didn't post it.
I just stepped in to mention that you're making yourself look like more of an ass criticizing something you've never read and refuse to even google a synopsis of.
I mean it's pretty hard to provide a decent argument against something you both won't read and dismiss without even knowing what it's about.
which is- ironically enough- mostly what the book is about. meaning the anon that recommended it to you was apparently dead-on.
>>2123342
Except I'm well aware of the book's subject and its (main) author's work. Just because I haven't read the book itself doesn't make me completely oblivious to its content and unjustified in judging its merit over a random anon's empty recommendation. Try harder.
>>2123344
>Try harder
Actually don't, the adderall's wearing off and I'm going to try and sleep. A formal forfeit, consider yourself victorious etc
>>2123345
>A formal forfeit, consider yourself victorious etc
I wasn't trying to win anything except perhaps discussion of the book you were evading.
alas, I was bound to lose.
So just had to get in on this seems there are a lot of ignorant people on here. I have worked with many rescues over the years and can honestly say both sides are wrong and right. There are many dogs in rescue and shelters that are not damaged sometimes purebred perfectly good dogs are stuck there due to a death in the family, someone lost their home or job, they moved and decided to get a new puppy when they go to their new home (assholes) etc. On the other end you do have poorly bred aggressive or damaged dogs that do end up in the shelter these are usually the ones that end up returned again and again due to this behavior. All my current dogs are rescues from shelters but i have had purebred dogs from breeders in the past. One is a purebred retired show dog who is one of those "damaged" dogs her owner was murdered while she was in the room she had to be dragged off the body so it could be removed. It has taken a lot of work to get her over her PTSD and really she is always going to have issues i knew about her history and made the decision to take her on anyway some days i do admit i regret that decision but it's not her fault and i made the choice to take responsibility of her and love her so i do even on the days she makes me want to cry in frustration. Another of our dogs is a typical heeler mutt who was dumped at the shelter along with his siblings when he was 5 weeks old this dog probably saved our lives when someone broke into our house and he scared them off. So yes there are great dogs and there are terrible dogs in shelters but the same can be said for dogs from breeders each dog is different no matter where you get your dog learn about the breed, learn the dogs history, and examine your own life and how this dog might fit in it before you make a decision to get a dog.
Also to the person who's sister was attacked i wasn't there but often times when i dog is curled up on the bed it is in what it thinks is it's safe place and does not like for people to get in it's face also they can become territorial of it's place my nephew got snapped in the face once because he got in my mothers dogs face when it was laying on the bed a bigger dog would have done some serious damage. I have also had a similar incident happen with our lab mix turned out it was just the start of it and she had a brain tumor and there was nothing we could do she had to be put down as she became a danger to not only us but other animals when she went through one of her episodes. Dogs don't attack for no reason you may not understand the reason but there always is one even if it was just because someone liked to torment the dog when it was in a bed in it's past home so it learned to lash out first either way never get in a dogs face especially if you don't know the dog well doesn't matter if it comes from a shelter or a breeder it's never a good idea.
>>2123110
I live around Mexicans that let their dogs either shit in their homes, or they let them run wild without leashes. Doubt they'll even notice. I tried to let him in last night because I felt bad and he immediately pissed on the floor. I've already given him 3 chances.
>>2123207
It's not a puppy, the fucker is 2 years old. And yeah, I pretty much only do well with cats apparently. They've never given me any shit.
>>2122799
Could be an ausfag. Our shelters are chock full of staffies and staffie crosses, when they aren't full of kelpie and kelpie crosses. We don't have pit bulls so all the white trash move to the closest dog they can get, hence an abundance of staffies.
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/pet/5582983418.html
Thoughts on this?
I want a pomsky, but
>$1500
Wtf
>>2123402
If you want that faddy designer mutt you saw on Buzzfeed, you'll have to pay the faddy designer prices.
>>2123344
>I didn't read it
>but I know everything that is in it
Look if you're too lazy to read it that is fine. But right now you're only making an ass out of yourself
>>2119437
I paid $650 for my little dude.
Corgis usually go for $1000+
>>2123338
>It's clearly not even the topic of the book, it probably engages with it for one chapter at most and you couldn't even provide that.
it's hilarious how wrong you are
>>2123309
>proud
never implied that?
>CC
wrong again
it was simply to show it's relevance. I've gone through a lot more schooling since then, but this book still does a fantastic job of illustrating it. you can't argue or even discuss for shit and are so far up your own basis (ass) that you cannot even accept the possibility being incorrect, so you'll fall back on petty bullshit instead of engaging in a conversation where you might have to confront the possibility that you have been wrong, and that can trigger a lot of dissonance in people
and that's also what the entire book is about
>>2123468
*biases
>>2123404
There's gotta be some way around that, especially on craigslist
>>2123517
There isn't a secret source of cheap Pomsky puppies being churned out by someone who loves watching dogs fuck yet really hates making money. You could watch shelters on the slim chance someone surrenders one, but cutesy portmanteau Jackapoomeranian mixes aren't whoops puppies, they're being bred by people specifically looking to cash in on the trend.
>>2123517
Pomsky don't grow up to be miniature huskies. They grow to be a medium sized 30ish lbs spits type dog.
>>2123567
>Wants to a """designer dog"""
>Isn't willing to pay for it
Go to a shelter and get a mutt. It will be the same thing as a 'pomsky' and not cost half a months of pay.
As a different poster said, if you want a retarded meme-tier Buzzfeed listicle dog, then you're gonna have to pay the premium.
Well Ive been looking for a shiba inu in atl and so far there is only two trusted places to buy them, but hell 1200 is a lot. However if you do payments here and there it seems not so bad, after all your going to keep a dog for about 12-14 unless shit happens.
>>2123573
what if it has luxating patellas and needs $5000 in surgery before age 2 like my $150 mutt?
>>2123577
That would suck ass but so far I had two uncles who had gotten purebred dogs a weenier dog and a Schnauzer and they had no problems until they reached 12-14 years. However several friends who gotten free dogs or random mixes end up not lasting long and end up passing away after 2 years by illnesses. Pretty much I'm saying is getting a dog being bred right has a lower risk for stuff like that.
>>2123577
Put it down and get a new one for 150.
>>2123594
your pool of info is a bit small. studies show that mixes outlive purebreds on average
>>2119437
>buy your dog
I just walked down to my neighbors farm and he asked if I wanted a puppy one day.
So I basically just paid for the veterinary cost.
>tri-headed corgi
?
>>2123594
You're so full of a shit.
Dogs dying at two of disease is extremely uncommon, regardless of breed or mixed. Most serious diseases that kill dogs young are either obvious congenital defects that would be already known, or ones that are manifesting themselves around two, not killing the dog by then.
>>2123602
>So I basically just paid for the veterinary cost.
so vaccines, spay/neuter, license, microchip, and deworm/flea control. which is less than what it costs to adopt a puppy. I don't get it
>>2123605
not to mention all the rescues and shelters here give you a voucher for a few free puppy socialization/training classes, pet insurance, and at least one or two free vet visits
>>2123606
>free puppy socialization/training classes
Those are free anyhow.
>>2123605
>license
?
Also he's never had worms, had fleas one time, easy fix.
The chipping and vaccines were dirt cheap due to the vet being one of "the boys" in my brothers hunting team.
No clue what it's supposed to cost but I paid almost nothing and got the vet a few beers.
>>2123604
>>2123600
Im just saying from personal experience, but I understand that incest=bad shit and all dogs are prone to illness no matter what. Well I guess it boils down to just do what you want with your money and what is your preference. Personally I perfer pure bred dogs. Also if my dog needed surgery that costed about 5k+ I would put it down.
>>2123609
>Those are free anyhow.
please take me to the magical land where dog training classes are free because hell no they are not
>>2120259
she looks like a demon
>>2119437
>paying exorbitant amounts of money for dogs guaranteed to come with genetic disorders
>not getting a perfectly good pupper for free from the shelter
>propagating puppy farms which cause shelters to be understaffed and dogs to be mistreated
kys f@m
>>2121056
R E K T
>implying anyone is going to read those
>>2123627
they are and it's called putting in the fucking work yourself instead of paying to have someone else deal with your problems you lazy wank
>>2123610
>spends thousands to buy animals
>wont spend thousands to keep animal
you are everything wrong with america
>>2125253
you don't seem to understand how group puppy classes work and what they're for
>>2125247
I try to give people the benefit of the doubt and hope the might want to learn something, anon
$0. Owners didn't want him since the mother put 6 babies which was too much for them.
>>2121075
>Go to shelter, get a puppy for free since the mother was a feral. Mother gets put down. He grows into a normal dog.
You get what you pay for.
>>2125569
>Go adopt puppy at a rescue event for cheap
>He was fostered with his litter mates until 8 weeks
>Train and socialize him like any other puppy
>Best dog I've ever had
You get what you pay for
Great Pyrenees, AKC, first shots, $875 for the male, $750 for the female.
>>2119613
>Some purebred dogs cost an upward of $2000 if they're show dogs or bred for gaming.
There's a pair of english bulldog puppies that go to a socialization session with my dogs - $16,000. Each. Their some sort of special Old Enlgish with rare skin patterns or such. Dunno.
but these dogs have a lifespan of like 6 years. For $16,000. And people pay it, otherwise they wouldn't be priced so high.
I mean, around here, an AKC Great Dane *starts* at 1800. Average is like 2600. But despite what all the hippy pound-puppy-lovers say, you do get what you par for. There is a reason the price doesn't come down.
It's more of a question of what it's worth TO YOU, not what it's worth in general. I have, and would again, pay over $2000 for a dog. But never fucking ever $16,000. I'll leave them to the super-wealthy with money to burn.
>>2125590
gross, they are like spindly english creme retrievers
>>2125254
I would pay hundreds and probably up to 2k to help my dog but he said 5k that's way to much so don't get so frustrated about it.
$50, adopted from SPCA
>>2125652
a little different when you're paying thousands to get the animal in the first place
You can buy a lot of crack with 900 dalars
