>>17241552
I had to look that up. Some new red pill crap?

By definition, being MGTOW is being bitter. So, it's impossible.

>>17241552
It's not actively avoiding women like you say, that's bitter by definition.
It's about not doing anything for them because they are woman. Just doing what you want to do and ignoring all the woman bullshit. That's not bitter.

>>17241552
I'm also curious as to how one makes themselves desire women less. Is there any reliable method to make it so you can walk through life and not be burdened with not only your desire for women, but also the emotional pain of rejection?

>>17241552
why get bitter when women are a bad investment in the first place they are depreciating asset. they lose their looks and you can increase your value as a man by becoming wealthy. being a mgtow is great because women can't hold you back on your hobbies,friends, career or even having casual sex with other girls if you are into that.

>>17241611
well you can wait until the age of 30 when your big starts to overpower the little brain that wants to fuck. also not consuming porn and living a monk life style works. lastly you can try what Issac newton did and distract your mind on a hobby or on a passion of yours.

>>17241611
That's what the redpill is for
>>17241552
>Want to be bitter
>Don't want to be bitter
Get it sorted together...

It'll turn out better around 30

>>17241552
Not quite sure about redpill but mgtow is a disguised gay cult.

>>17241552
Consciously choose to not be bitter.
Women won't care either way.

>>17241552
Don't assign yourself a label, just ignore women. Those guys in their echo chambers are what make guys bitter. Ignore the red pill, it's for bitter autistic power hungry faggots who feed themselves feel good bullshit "truths" to soothe their egos, it's all bad science or autistic retards pretending to be some kind of messiahs, they're the only ones incapable of seeing how cringey they are.

As someone who is MGTOW, you should ignore MGTOW completely.

What you read online is whiney faggots who cannot get over their failures, and so they lash out. The last thing they are doing is going their own way.

To actually go your own way is to let go and just live your life and do whatever the fuck you want without tying to commitments. It's a lot less edgy, but a lot more enjoyable.

BUT, you have to earn that position through actual experience. Giving up because you can't get women is just going to turn you into another one of those whiney internet "MGTOW" pussies.

I'm 25, and I haven't had sex in 6 years by choice. sometimes I get super depressed. But it comes and goes in phases. I'm hoping to make it to 30. That's my goal for the time being. If I make it to 30, then the next goal will be 35 and so on.

>>17242624

This.

The whole think is about doing your own thing rather than what is expected of you (namely marriage, kids, that sort of shit. but hey it's "your own way", so if that's what you want, go for it).

Wanna chat shit about women, sure, /r9k/ is that way. I mean, we all chat shit about everyone and everything all the time, so really, you can do that.

But if you wanna go up against feminism, SJWs and that sort of shit, MRA is a better fir for you.

Generally the MGTOW community also finds that the best way to combat the militant SJWs, women and feminists is to avoid them and have nothing to do with them - not supporting alimony, child support, divorce courts, chivalry by minimising interaction with women.
Personally, I agree with that - it's the best way to combat militant feminism, by refusing to encourage it, when speaking only gets you labelled sexist.

But don't be MGTOW just to spend your life lashing out at women. Do it for yourself, what YOU want to do.

Also I'd like to add that not all MGTOW are millenial neckbeard nu-male virgins, to counter the stereotype. As someone who used to be one of the pathetic women-bashing MGTOW online, I'd like to point out that there are many older men in the community who've actually had their lives destroyed by divorces or false accusations, they get in these communities to warn younger men of the dangers, tell their stories, and honestly, I think it's just a way to cope and protect themselves from having it happen again.

>>17242686
I see this sentiment among men and women both. Can't help but feel disheartened when somebody gives up on the entirety of another gender like that - at the same time, I completely understand it.

There are a LOT of shitty men and women out there. Then there's the ones who don't necessarily want to hurt you but, at the same time, don't care enough about you to put in the effort.

>>17241635
>>17242136
My problem is that I keep being told that women don't want "desperate" men. They don't want men who want them too much or feel 'needy'.

They want them to want her but at the same time..be independent of her and not care. I don't get how one exactly does that. Or maybe I'm not in the right thread to ask.

>>17242722

it's both easy and hard. Sometimes I'll get really depressed. and what makes it worse is my peers treat me weird about it. My friends don't understand why I refuse to talk to girls. But then sometimes, I'm so glad I don't talk to girls when I see people go through shit.

This isn't a easy challenge

>>17242774
>>17242774
Do you ever feel weird for ending up where you are?

I myself feel kind of strange for not having a girlfriend properly for over 5 years now. There's been chances but nothing ever works out. I never meet a woman who's interested in my well being. Never mind meeting one who wants to have sex with me or spend time with me in any meaningful way. I know I'm flawed, but I never know how flawed I really am or what I could be doing/not doing that puts women off.

Other parts of my life are changing and evolving all the time. But with women I'm always in the same spot. I'm never good enough for any of them. It's just weird, and incredibly frustrating.

>>17242831

I've never had a girlfriend before, so I don't even know what that's like. And it's been so long since I've had sex I don't remember how it was.


I'm just incredibly unmotivated with life in general. the only thing keeping me going is traveling. But that's hard to do. And yes, I do feel weird. Because I'm against the social norm. I feel so weird when my peers have conversations about sex. And I'm just "there". and they always try to pressure me to meet girls.

I just don't see a point. I never want to get married. So why get a girlfriend. Since I don't want a girlfriend, why should I have sex? It doesn't make sense to me.

But it's difficult fighting natural urges

>>17242850
How do your friends pressure you to meet girls? Do they try to set you up or do they just say stuff like "she's cute anon, why don't you go talk to her?"

I'd like to think you see the point with the right person. The problem is for guys like us where there are so many 'wrong' people.

>>17242859

2 of my friends tried to set me up with their relatives. One of my friends has a super hot cousin, and the other has a good looking sister. That pissed me off. But other than that. It's always when we go places "you should go talk to her, anon. She's cute" all the fucking time. Or when I take my trips they always ask "how many whores did you bang over there? What are they like?" And act dumbfounded when I say I don't know.

This shit just makes me feel bad.. and then.. I have 1 female friend (she lives overseas) but even still. We talk a lot, and for some reason that I don't understand, she thinks that I'm always out having tons of sex. just a few weeks ago we were texting and I told her I was going to the bar with some friends. She told me "go find a cute girl and have tons of sex!! lots of orgasms for you both!! :D" im legitamently too embrassed to tell her that I haven't touched a girl in 6 years.

Fuck my life. I wish sex wasn't important in society. I wish it wasn't a status symbol.

>>17242873
Well man, it sounds like they see something in you. Otherwise they wouldn't be prying or telling you to get out more. Think of it this way: they wouldn't be encouraging you to go meet and fuck a bunch of women if they didn't think you could do it. Nobody I know has half as much faith in my ability to go out and charm a girl into bed or whatever.

That said you do what you wanna do, and if sex isn't on your agenda or you think women are too "risky" I totally get it. I *used* to be more motivated to meet women. Then I started getting "red pilled" on how unattractive I can be to so many women, both for things in my control and things out of it, and now I'm thoroughly convinced that even if all women are different somehow, they are looking for the same thing: something I can't provide.

>>17242896

It pisses me off because they keep trying to make me feel guilty. They keep saying "you've never experienced a relationship before. You NEED to have these experiences before you get too old" all that fucking shit. Gaaaahhh it's just fucking shitty being a guy. I bet if a girl was making the choices I am, her friends wouldn't care. But as a guy, it's all about being masculine, and sex is like the most masculine trait of being a man. So it's expected of us to have sex every once in a while. If not, there is a problem with us. We are either 1. A virgin, 2. Gay, or 3. Just a bitch... It fuckig seems like that's what men think of other men who don't get sex. Other then my friends who know my situation, it's so hard to explain to co-workers and other people I meet. They don't understand. And I get these weird vibes from.

I don't know what I want out of life. I don't think there is anything Tbh. I'll probably shoot myself before I hit 35

>>17242624
As a person who does as she pleases when she pleases, I agree with this. MGTOW and the 'red-pilling' shit are both a jaded, bitter response to feeling hurt and rejected.

If you feel that you're too passive or you let people walk over you, then work on that. This whole "only speaking to women when necessary" thing is sad. You forget that we're also people. Dehumanizing and ignoring us won't make you stronger, or make the feelings of rejection go away.

>>17242904
They are trying to share their happiness, and/or are a tad concerned with your well being. You don't think that's a good thing?

>>17242911

no, because it wears on you after hearing it constantly.

>>17242910
>This whole "only speaking to women when necessary" thing is sad. You forget that we're also people. Dehumanizing and ignoring us won't make you stronger, or make the feelings of rejection go away.
I don't think you get the point. Some of us have continued to learn, the hard way, that women at large don't really care about us either way and so caring about them or trying to relate to them seems incredibly fruitless.

Unfortunately, a lot of us reach a point of feeling like just about every woman we meet is going to be the same: she's not going to want to be with us. And you might be thinking "ok, so why not be her friend?" but in my experience most women don't even like me enough to want to be my friend either, and I'm not going to bend over backwards to figure out why that is so I can mold myself in order to fit their narrow view of how a person they like and respect should behave.

I wouldn't "ignore" somebody if I thought they cared about me, my thoughts/feelings and our relationship (friendship or otherwise). I wouldn't "ignore" people I thought actually liked me and wanted to be around me. But I grew so exasperated trying to prove myself and live up to other people's standards, that I've slowly stopped doing that and been focusing on myself and others who actually care to join.

>>17242915
Well man, I will say it again, I think if they're doing this it means that they want the best for you AND they think you're a good catch worth having a woman. Their general consensus is that you are somebody truly worth loving and being with at whatever capacity. If you don't want to then that's fine, but I hope you start to appreciate the fact that people see something in you that's valuable that you don't see yourself.

>>17242950

but I'm not worth shit. I'm expendable

>>17242958
We're all in the same boat. People are gonna argue this with extreme examples like some ultra rich philanthropist or well known and contributing scientist but we're more or less in the same boat.

We all have value and something to give. For many people just having a certain air about you, a certain charm and charisma, is enough to make them desire your company and time. You probably have that which is why people joke about you hooking up with a bunch of girls. They know you're more than enough and have what it takes.

I know my words won't totally convince you either but I've known many like you and I know you have a lot way more to offer than you think.

>>17242967
>why people joke about you hooking up with a bunch of girls

But they are'nt jokes. They are serious. I can handle jokes. But they are being serious

>>17242977
Still don't see what the big deal is.

Again, I think you have something really good and just don't see it. People don't dare tell me to go over and sweep some girl off her feet or ask how much I'm getting laid because they know I'm not getting any. If you told people you aren't having sex they might be genuinely surprised. Do you think you're just oblivious to your good looks and/or your charm?

>>17242944
I suggest you look into Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. The gist of it is that it teaches you to recognize distortions and untruths in your thoughts, challenge them, and use that realization to live a happier life. Those negative thoughts you have are almost always untrue in some way. Here's a page about it if you're interested. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_behavioral_therapy Was going to link Mayo clinic but the wiki is more accurate. There are a lot of therapists who practice it. If you prefer self-help, I recommend "Feeling Good" by Dr. David Burns; it's $6 on Amazon and there's a free pdf here http://islamiconlineuniversity.com/counseling/resources/David%20Burns%20-%20Feeling%20Good.pdf

After you've read the wikipedia page above, and this link as well http://www.apsu.edu/sites/apsu.edu/files/counseling/COGNITIVE_0.pdf , read what I've typed below.

>Some of us have continued to learn, the hard way, that women at large don't really care about us either way and so caring about them or trying to relate to them seems incredibly fruitless.
>every woman we meet is going to be the same: she's not going to want to be with us
Over-generalization, Mental filter (surely not every woman in your life has treated you poorly), Discounting the positives, Jumping to conclusions (about people you haven't met yet), Emotional reasoning, Fortune telling, all-or-nothing thinking, Magnification, Blame

Once you realize there are flaws in a thought or belief you have, you can replace it with a new one that's true, realistic, and reasonable.

>>17242990
>surely not every woman in your life has treated you poorly
Even if they don't treat me poorly, they're indifferent to me/aren't interested in me (I'm not trying to argue with your post, just clarifying what I meant there). I do think I'm being incredibly realistic about the fact that I'm continuously rejected or ignored by women. I wouldn't lie and make that kind of thing up because I wanted it to be true. I have had people tell me I might be missing when women are attracted to me, and while I'd like to believe that, being like most people I tend to have my doubts/insist on the more cynical alternatives.

I do appreciate the response though, I will check that stuff out. Thank you.

>>17242984

I'm not good looking. And I don't have charm, I'm just helpful.

>>17243016
Ah if you say so, well it doesn't matter really. Helpfulness speaks volumes.

>>17243078

so what am I supposed to do?

>>17243083
What do you *want* to do?

>>17243097

To not give any fucks about girls anymore

>>17243006
Yeah, I know that feel. I used to be fat. Not much is less attractive than a fat girl with bad acne and greasy hair. Don't let past rejections sour the potential to meet a lovely woman. Do know that it's possible to one day find a wonderful woman who will love and appreciate you. And know that you're worth it. Have a good day anon.

>>17243107
Odd that you mention this, since the last woman who rejected me was kind of overweight and had acne. I thought she was beautiful inside and out, but so it goes.

I'll try to stay positive, even though I know I have a lot of work to do to get where I want to be. Have a good one.

>>17243106
I wish i knew how that was possible. Some times I care and some times I don't, even you said the same.

I kind of wish I could stop caring so much too, but I figure if you have those urges and can't fight them, you can ignore them when they don't suit you but don't be averse to reveling in them when they are working for you either. IF you meet a girl and like her, just go for it and see what happens.

The solution is simple , stop giving a shit , noones getting out alive whether your an alpha or beta , rich or poor , if you have children or not , nothing really matters , there's more hope in no hope .
Expect nothing accept everything

Stop trying to figure people especially women out , you will drive yourself crazy , the best way to figure people out is to stop trying

>>17243195

but I don't want to get married. so I HAVE to fight my natural urges. That's how people get married, they go with their urges