Huge red flag right there, and I kinda feel like he doesn't deserve a chance now. Is this reasonable of me or am I being a bitch?
Nah, you're being a bitch.
>>17156377
Will you be my internet gf?
>>17156405
Am I really though? Like can you explain your viewpoint some so I can try to understand. Trump is a shitty human being and may be the downfall of our great nation lol. Anyone stupid enough to support him is likely not bf material, right?
>>17156408
No. Why would anyone want an online relationship?
>>17156418
This has too be the worst attempt at telling I've seen in a while. Why are you all taking the bait?
>>17156446
Trolling*
Fuckin phone...
>>17156418
There's literally nothing wrong with being in an Internet relationship with me
>>17156418
Trump is a politician now. This means he'll say things that your moral code doesn't agree with, but to others you need to realise that he is being very rational and making a lot of sense.
Outside of his policies, bear in mind that while he is very politically incorrect by default, a lot of the opinions people have (hurr durr he's a racist) are put into people's head by the media with cherrypicked quotes. For example, a Hillary ad used a Trump quote about China to the detriment of women instead, which is pretty slimy if you ask me.
Stop judging people based on their political beliefs and judge them based on their personal character instead. If he preaches shit about killing the gays and black people, he's not worth your time. If he believes it but doesn't act on it, he's fine. And if you can't come to terms with it, then he's far better than you.
>>17156377
You're not being a bitch, but you are definitely being unreasonable. Just because he supports someone else doesn't make him a bad person. As him WHY he supports Trump, and I guess take it from there. You're asking us, but it's obviously bugging you enough so you might as well just let him know that you won't date a Trump supporter
>nb4 "I won't tell him that's the reason why I won't give him a chance, anon."
Why not? Is it because it's a silly reason?
>>17156377
Honestly, I don't find it entirely unreasonable. Whenever I meet a woman who is a "Southern Girl" or a "Lover of God" or military or anything remotely classical American, that I won't have a proper relationship with her. It's not even because I hate America or religion, I just know how other people are and I know that folks generally want to be with people like them. If her idea of a good time is guns, hunting, and football then she's not a match for me. If his idea of a good candidate is Donald J Trump, he just may not be a good fit for you. It happens.
>>17156455
Trade places?
I live in lib central.
Have yet to find any remotely conservative females.
If Clinton or Sanders become president, US will essentially become a socialist republic.
Socialism does not work. Look what happened to Greece.
Aside from that, political views should have very little impact on a relationship.
It's a bit stupid of you to do something like that
However, Trump supporters are usually ignorant and lead by hate and fear, so I'd be concerned as to why he is a trump supporter
>>17156463
OUT OUT OUT
TAKE ANON'S COAT
GET 'EM TO REDDIT
>>17156461
This has to be one of the dumbest statements about politics I've ever heard. Whoever is elected, the country will look relatively the same. Look at how Obama's terms turned out. He got one major bill through and couldn't even shut down a fucking prison. This election cycle is not anything special, Millennials and the media ate just blowing everything out of proportion, per usual.
>>17156452
Trump is basically running his campaign on a message of hateful ignorance. And while I'm sure trump himself is aware of what he's doing, it takes a very special kind of person to fall for his bullshit. He was basically created inadvertently by the Fox News network and batshit talk radio assholes going on about Muslims being a danger and illegal immigrants causing all of America's problems. Moronic people lapped that shit up and then felt upset that the politicians they voted into office didn't do anything about the made up issues they were all upset about. So in walks Trump to fill a void and these idiots fell for it hard.
He says horrible things about women, and anyone supporting a wall on the border and ban on a major world religion probably isn't a person worth my time. I'm considerably politically-minded, but if he'd chosen anyone other than Trump I wouldn't mind so much. Even Cruz or Carson (who are insane) wouldn't bother me like this.
>>17156454
Maybe I'm dealing with my own prejudices here, but what possible reason could there be for supporting trump besides being a massive tool? I don't want to ask him about why he supports Trump because there is no reasonable excuse for such a thing. At the same time though this guy is attractive, funny, and all sorts of other things. Feel torn.
>>17156455
Makes tons of sense thanks :)
>>17156463
I'm curious as to your line of thinking. Trump supporters include a majority of business owners. Running, say, a financial services company, even an auto parts distributorship, or a Fortune 500 company, requires intelligence- or do you think that being a CEO is actually an easy job?
>Absurdium ad reductem. 10 Yard Penalty. Repeat first grade.
>>17156483
Add to that that equating Sanders with socialism when his policies are actually pretty firmly conventionally liberal - not to mention equating Clinton with socialism! - is a sign of some pretty severe political illiteracy. And I'm not a supporter of either.
>>17156492
Careful where you tread, a lot of anons really like Trump.
>>17156377
It's not unreasonable to want a partner with similar values, beliefs and political views as you. You don't owe him a chance so do what you want for whatever reason you want.
>>17156495
Really? Liberals like to say Trump is "literally Hitler" pretty much every fucking day.
Why can't I use their logic and say:
>In that case, Sanders is literally Joseph Stalin.
"Why anon?"
>He just is.
"WTF?"
>Your logic, not mine.
They make unsubstantiated claims and it pisses me off. I'd like for them to see how it feels for once. Unfortunately, temper tantrums don't win votes.
>>17156517
I'm not a liberal. I'm not even American. I believe that equating Trump with Hitler is stupid - I also believe that equating Clinton/Sanders with Stalin is equally stupid. That both sides in your politics are politically illiterate doesn't make your side doing it any more okay than them doing it.
>>17156495
>Add to that that equating Sanders with socialism when his policies are actually pretty firmly conventionally liberal
His economic system is based off the Scandinavian model. That's socialism, not conventional American liberalism.
Normally I don't think political differences should get in the way of a relationship, but Trump supporters tend to be retarded, so I'd make an exception here.
I doubt he'd be seriously interested in you beyond a purely sexual relationship if he found out you're stupid enough to support the alternative.
Move on and find someone as uninformed as you.
>>17156377
Trumps wants to criminalize abortion. Are you fine not having a choice over your life and body OP?
>>17156545
'Socialism' is defined as 'democratic control of the means of production'. Sanders - and the European countries ill-informed Americans hype up as 'socialism in action!" - offers nothing that could be described as such. Here in those countries we call this system welfare capitalism, or social democracy, not socialism.
>>17156377
>Found out boy I like is a Trump supporter. Huge red flag right there,
What are you, like 12 years old. Grow the fuck up.
>>17156566
>This is what liberals actually believe
>implying abortion is even ethically justifiable in a majority of cases
>>17156377
>Is this reasonable of me or am I being a bitch?
Of course not. You're being a cunt.
>>17156497
Hee hee watch out le asshole of le Internet likes Trump #feelthebern
>>17156572
Except that's literally what those systems are.
A mixed economy, with more socialist tendencies relative to other examples, can be described as socialism just as a mixed economy with more capitalist tendencies relative to other examples can be described as capitalism.
There are no pure economic systems to be found in the world, and to demand that something perfectly match a dictionary definition in order for it to be described as such in political discussion shows that you're the only person that's ill-informed here.
Fucking yuropoor faggots.
>>17156377
If you let politics get in the way of friendships/relationships than it is you that's the problem.
>>17156492
It's crazy how every uneducated asshole with a keyboard becomes an armchair political commentator during election years.
>>17156377
This thread belongs in /pol
You're also being a bitch.
Why base relationships on political choices?
If you aren't a political driven person, and prior to this presidential campaign, the choice of whomever they choose to vote for means jack shit.
If you don't wake up and breathe politics it should not be a big deal. But I've have voted solid Republican in state elections and been pretty liberal voting for federal level elections.
>>17156576
It is ethically justifiable. In the vast majority of cases it spares a horrible life to the mother and to the child.
>>17156621
Well if I were a jew and my partner were a Nazi party supporter I'd be thouroughly justified in dumping him, seeing how by his beliefs he wants me oppressed, enslaved if not dead.
Or if I were to get with a muslim when I'm not, when his beliegs get in the way too much it's time to dump him for your own good. Remember islam isn't just a religion it's also a political system.
OP, if you're not comfortable with his beliefs and feel threatened by them dump him, your safety is more important.
>>17156494
Businesses aren't individuals. Owning a business is not an indicator of any individual's intelligence.
You're dating someone who thinks the living flesh manifestation of the youtube comment section should be in control of the worlds most advanced military and the worlds largest nuclear arsenal. I too would be concerned.
>>17156377
No he does not deserve a chance. You obviously value different things. How could you think a long term relationship could work. Relationships are about two people working together for a common goal and supporting each other. Its called being on the same page. You both are obviously on different chapters in seperate books.
Experience:
married 7 years
divorced
Now dating my dream girl who has a great career and is completely on my page
>>17156418
>the downfall of our great nation
giving women political power will be the downfall of our piece of shit nation.
>>17156492
would you want to live next to people who support an ideology where >1/2 of the members wants to kill/subvert you? that's islam
t.pewpoll
In retrospect, 4chan was probably not the best place to ask this question.
>not wanting to make america great again.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
>>17156753
Read my post. I swear to fucking god stop looking for a relationship and start looking for a partner. You will be so fucking happy with someone who wants to see you succeed and feel loved. Also, make sure the dude fucking balls you deep, choking and hair pulling while fucking is great for my girlfriend. Makes her cum buckets if I choke from behind and she sucks my finger while railing her from behind.
Just look for a partner not a relationship.
Bigg difference between a partnership and relationship.
>>17156455
Yeah man I know how you feel I mean how can they even enjoy that shit? I'd much rather be down at the local starbucks looking for a new bull for my gf.
>>17156377
The only reason some people are agreeing with you is because this is the most tumblr board on 4chan. Most of the outrageous statements about trump such as "he hates all mexicans/blacks" are completely false. The man is against ILLEGAL immigration. Legal, hispanic US citizens show up to his rallies all the time, and at the moment his polling performance with minorities is surpassing Hillary. Acting like Trump is some kind of deranged whackjob racist just goes to show that you have a shallow understanding of the election, and formed your opinions via memes, exaggerated stories, and crybaby celebrities.
But by all means, if you're really so far left that trump offends you that much, maybe you should break up with your boyfriend. He probably doesn't need a whiny SJW in his life anyway.
obvious fucking bait/10
Why would you even ask this on a board where half the people are regular /pol/ posters?
>>17156492
>I'm considerably politically-minded
You're also a young woman, so we already know you don't know shit about leadership or taking any sort of political responsibility. People like you are going to the be the downfall of western civilization.
Trump may be a dick, but we've become entirely too pussy oriented within American society. Sure he might set back our already shitty racial & foreign relations however he'll be bringing back a positive assertive male identity to the US. An identity that has been suppressed by shitty fucking feminists in our woman oriented society.
With this idiotic "women's liberation" movement spreading across the west, all women want to do with the government these days is establish a socialist state so the government can play the traditional role of husband. Female leaders are only going to be catalytic to this delusion that women can lead a government rationally.
Once you acknowledge that the "equality for all" you claim you want is all in vain, then maybe you can start to pull your head out of your ass and see what needs to be done to "keep our country great"
t. liberal turned moderate
>>17156690
>spares a horrible life to the mother
there's that female vanity again.
You slept around like a whore then complain when you get pregnant? Abortion is giving you an easy way out of facing the consequences to your dumb fucking decisions. You made an adult choice, face the fucking consequences. Raise the child you irresponsible trash.
The only ethically justifiable case for abortion is a rape baby.
>>17156377
Because you decide whether it's a red flag or not bitch he doesn't need your ass and you here prejudging like a crazy ass
>>17156807
Not everyone wants to raise a child. Plenty of people do not have the time, money, energy or simply the will for it because they've got better things to do. You can't force anyone to raise a child they don't want becaus that creates resentment and leads to the child getting neglected, abused, abandoned or both. Do you like children suffering that much? I'm more than happy to ignore a child I don't want.
>>17156802
>>I'm considerably politically-minded
>You're also a young woman, so we already know you don't know shit about leadership or taking any sort of political responsibility. People like you are going to the be the downfall of western civilization.
Mate your credibility flies out the window when you open with that. Like seriously, why did you even bother posting?
>>17156377
OP, it may be a "red flag" in the sense that he may be racist/sexist/whatever else you may fear, but at the same time he might just be slightly conservative. Trump can and has come across as a respectable and put-together politician the majority of the time, and it's only a small percentage of soundbites where he sounds like a raving lunatic. Your crush might be (probably is) totally reasonable and conservative policies appeal to him.
Btw the real danger with Trump is his authoritarianism, for example his proposal to expand libel laws so that he can "sue those that criticize [him]", read: jail political dissenters.
Anyway, give him a chance.
That seems reasonable. I've yet to see a Trump supporter intelligently explain why he would be a good president. They just attack other people for being shills.
He's a reality TV star that has risen to popularity on the back of being a rich cunt. Even if he does have some good policies or ideas, it's most likely this guy likes Trump because he's "politically incorrect" and he'll fuck shit up. From that you can infer that he is at best irrational and immature. At worst he is angry, stupid, and has no respect for other people.
>>17156884
>wants to jail political dissenters
That's how you spot a dictator.
>>17156880
>translation: I don't want to deal with the consequences of my actions.
if you don't want a child, use contraceptives. Don't make it everyone elses fucking problem because you can't close your legs or fuck with protection and want the government to bail you out whenever you fuck up. Planned Parenthood can exist, but fuck no my tax dollars should pay for it.
>I'm more than happy to ignore a child I don't want.
Then making abortion illegal would be wonderful, because whether you like it or not that child is YOUR responsibility. Go ahead, ignore it, abuse it, be ostracized by society as one of those trashy mothers, then get sent to prison for the child abusing piece of shit you are. The point is you don't get an easy out for a serious consequence from a serious decision. Learn some fucking responsibility for fucks sake.
>>17156377
You're being a dumb bitch. Women's suffrage was a mistake.
>>17156902
>From that you can infer that he is at best irrational and immature. At worst he is angry, stupid, and has no respect for other people.
I personally despise Trump, but I have to vehemently disagree with this.
Lots of Trump supporters are looking for a candidate that is outside of the political system. They want to avoid "business as usual" at all costs.
You'll be displeased to find out that many Bernie Sanders supporters are supporting Trump now that Sanders is all but out of the race. It's populism at it's best (worst), basically just using rhetoric that the lowest common denominator can understand/identify with.
>>17156377
Let me guess your voting for the old jewish guy or the crook?
>>17156922
How is that not an irrational and immature thing to do? Trump may appear to be "outside of the political system" for now, but he's not fit to be president at all and there reasons for "supporting" him aren't well-reasoned ones. It's like voting Snoop Dogg to be president because your find politics too tedious.
I'd also argue some of the people you're talking about aren't really trump supporters. Voting for trump because you have no better option is very different from supporting him as a political entity.
>>17156926
definitely comrade sanders, bitches love socialism
>girl on steam i've been talking to asks me if I vote
>know she's one of those cunts who post bernie shit all day
>know she'd never respect my opinion as soon as i "come out"
>told her she wouldn't want me to vote
>"why"
>"because it'd be a red vote"
She hasn't talked to me much since then. Shame. I didn't even have to mention Trump.
>younger brother is a huge bernie shill
>doesn't understand why the rest of our family supports Trump
>my dad and i tell each other behind my brother's back that it's because he's in his 20's and he's a fucking waiter/pot dealer
I can't believe people with salaries vote Blue.
>>17156908
Unfortunately science has yet to create a 100% failproof, 0 undesirable consequences for everyone contraception, which means there's always the odd chance contraception can fail. It's rare, but it can happen. Not constantly demonizing contraception like the pill however would definitely be a start.
>jail women for treating trash they don't want like trash they don't want
That's what they do in third world shitholes. Enjoy losing even more tax dollars as you'll have to pay for maintining the woman while in jail and mainting the child while in foster care until adulthood. The alternative is Venezuela where kids grow up on the street and get sold to cartels to become drug dealers, prostitutes or organ traffic fodder while the population lives in squallor.
>>17156937
>Bitches love free shit from there sugar daddy the state
ftfy, when do we have the final solution to the female question? Why are we waiting for islam to do it?
>>17156807
Stop trying to maximize life quantities over life quality.
>>17156932
Nobody is really fit to be President. It's a giant popularity content. Everyone just shares false promises that they "plan" on doing but they really have no clue. There's no "4 years experience required" to be President. Everyone in there is supposed to have a fresh administration but that doesn't happen. They have advisers all over the place telling them what to do because they have no fucking clue. All that really matters is that people (generally) like them or not.
Why should you, or anyone else, feel like they're an "authority" who can truly judge who'd be the best POTUS? How often have you mentored future presidents? We shouldn't even vote. We're woefully uninformed, even to pick just a figurehead.
>>17156953
Well then just vote Sanders, retard, so you get plenty of migrants who will rape these women until they know their place amirite?
>>17156957
The majority of those aborted in the united states are black so i have to agree with you there.
>>17156961
Doesnt matter what i do, women and proggresive liberal women love islam they love the patriarchal alpha coming and violating them its there bed il be watching from afar.
>>17156968
>women love Islam
No. SJWs loves Islam. You're lumping every woman together with the worst of the lot and that is false, there are enough women who don't and are critical of islam.
>>17156948
I can't believe people with brains are homophobic and misogynistic, but hey, what can you do?
>>17156991
The smartest men in history were both
>>17157001
And so were the dumbest men in history. It was a reflection of the times, not on the intelligence of those people.
Try harder.
>>17156958
Sadly, being cynical or disengaging from the political process entirely doesn't make you better informed. It just means you've put a positive spin on not bothering to become informed.
>>17156984
Women overwhelmingly vote for parties that want more immigration here in europe.
If it was just SJWs who wanted those subhumans here, they wouldn't be flooding Europe. Women are the biggest reason for the popularity of parties that undeniably seek to destroy europe via uncontrolled immigration of shitskin subhumans. And from what I have seen of murrican political rhetoric, it is the same shit over there.
>>17157032
>shitskin subhumans
The reason I support a party that supports immigration isn't because I personally support immigration, but because I despise people like you and what you stand for.
>>17157032
>Talking about Europe as if it's one singular thing
Italy is Europe and nobody even vlted their government, it was installed there by the EU and IMF. Spain everyone voted something different and couldn't even form a government. Greece voted for apparent extremists.
Don't say Europe when Europe is not a singular unit. Speak for your country.
>>17156807
What if there is a severe chance of the child having a disorder that would cost the family thousands in medical bills? What if it was a low income family that would likely be driven into massive debt trying to care for this child? How is an abortion not justified in that case? The world is a better place by having that potentiality eliminated. Reducing quantity of potential existence to maximize quality of existing moral beings seems to be the pretty clear option. Also why anti-natalism strikes my fancy. Fuck procreation, we should all just accept our place in the universe as finite, as an individual and a species, and walk together into the inevitable end of our short, turgid, pathetic, next to meaningless existences, acknowledging that it will happen sooner or later.
>>17157032
I'm from Europe, that's not how it went.
Left parties here arose on the back of workers unions and overtime socialism became intellectualized. Now it's near impossible to get higher education without getting brainwashed, it's easy to think migrants are cool when you haven't met one or lived in fear. Especially in faculties of Human sciences the brainwashing is bad and there are many more women than men picking those studies.
The first waves of immigrations happened back when women couldn't even vote here yet btw. People who migrated in at first were Italians, and they tended to vote for the parties that gave them gibsmedat. So all parties shifted to the left and started to propose gibs for votes.
Today the refugee import is a way to maintain population and enough consumers, and a bad gamble that those people will work for the aging pensions. Our states have badly managed everything and the refugees are a method of last resort.
>>17157044
Yeah first world countries are horrible, we need to let in second and third world quality people to change that.
>>17157071
Yeah, not to nitpick, but now you make it seem like immigrants are scary. I am one of those brainwashed leftist (man thouhg) working with refugees (payed) and other immigrants from: Eritrea, Syria, Tibet, Iran, Soedan and many other countries.
They are all just fucking human. Some are great, some are degenerate, but a lot of them just trying hard to live man.
>>17157044
>I want to ruin my homeland because people who value it and it's people say mean things.
Woman logic.
>>17157071
>today the refugee import is a way to maintain population and enough consumers,
You mean to replace the population.
Because that is what the shit going on in Europe is leading to.
Hell, there are already more men under the age of 30 who have foreign background in Sweden and Germany, than there are native men in that age group.
It doesn't take a genius to see where that will lead.
>>17157080
I'm a woman, I live in a European city that had a terrorist attack happen some months ago. You shut your leftie ignorant mouth.
They are not all bad. I know. People from Tibet fleeing an oppressive government, heck, Syrians from a country at war etc, I get it.
But due to lack of policies and follow up on those migrants, the country just going like "heyyyyy come in, welcome" there are places in my town where I can not walk without men leering, screaming "whore! Whore!" at me, spitting, or throwing things at my face.
We had people die because the same people strapped explosives to their chest and killed us. Cologne rapefest. Riots in Sweden. There IS a common denominator and if one other dudebro comes tell me it's racist to state facts I will scream. You have no idea what it means to live in constant fear of rape, harassment and death.
I KNOW that those people doing things aren't the same as the migrants coming in, but are we checking on those we let in? Have we learnt from out mistakes? Are we sending them away if they misbehave? Are we thoroughly making sure they integrate well in society? and that means not letting so many of them in the same place that there is a fucking ghetto.
We don't.
We are going to make it work and I am sick of it.
>>17157088
New slaves for the elite?
>>17157095
*worse, not work
>>17157099
Pretty much.
The end game is the creation of a "multicultural" society (aka a non homogeneous society that is utterly filled with internal strife between different ethnic groups, that it stands no chance at opposing the elites.)
Basically, they want to destroy the foundation of ethnic nationalism (aka european nationalism), because it is an obstacle to globalism. A nationalist country won't bow before global, big businesses if the interests of those businesses goes against the interests of the people of that nation.
The people who push for this flood of immigrants are the same sort of "world citizen" globalist pieces of shit, who have zero loyalty to their homeland or people. The destruction of ethnically homogeneous european nations is something they have fucking admitted seeking.
And I'll be damned if I am just gonna lie down and accept the destruction of my homeland and people at the hands of these disgusting globalists, and the shitskin garbage they are trying to flood my homeland with.
>>17157109
Picture fucking related.
Hopefully EU will collapse soon. Only Eastern European countries seem to have their senses left, and they get utterly shat on by the EU for "not doing their part" in accepting the invasion of shitskins.
>>17157032
This strong pushback of nativism is a reaction to globalization and constitutes being fed fear and fear mongering rhetoric for decades to solidify a political agenda of some party's platform. The rhetoric has been"visigoths are at the gates!" for over a generation and now that globalization gives that rhetoric face-value justification, we see it more readily acted upon and discussed by politicians to gain ground in the polls. It's going to probably balance out between nativism and globalization in 20-30 years. Either that or we get the holocaust again. That would be way more interesting in my opinion. Terrible. But super interesting to watch that unfold.
>>17157111
And how many refugees has Israel taken in? Oh wait, zero?
>>17157111
Fucking hear.
The EU is making us sick.
There is a disease and rather than quarantining the carriers we let them run rampant and infect all we stand for.
>>17157113
Mudslimes being holocausted globally wouldn't bother me one bit.
They are worthless scum of the earth, that deserve extermination.
>>17157113
>being fed fear and fear mongering rethoric
How come you aren't afraid yet?
>>17157123
Because it will not affect me in the slightest. I couldn't give less of a shit that some Muslim moved in down the street and dicks my daughter with his sand covered genitals. But I'm kind of a fatalist in regards to most things, so I'm not the rule, more the exception
>>17157130
>it will not affect me in the slightest
Boy I hope you enjoy sharia law. Remember, downloading is stealing. Masturbation is wrong.
>>17157135
I live in the good ol us of a motherfucker. Sharia law wouldn't happen here in my lifetime. And if it did, I'd move to Canada or some shit.
>>17157138
>fleeing your homeland instead of defending it against all odds.
Coward. You are no better than any of these "refugees" who are flooding europe.
>>17157139
I'm fine with that. You're the one with the issue, not me. It's your problem if you want to uselessly try to "defend" a your nationality, whatever the fuck that truly means
>>17157146
Careful when you sheat that katana back in and teleport behind me, edge master.
>>17157146
Seeing how you are a rootless american mongrel, that coming from you doesn't surprise me one bit.
Your ilk do not know what it is like to live in a land where your ancestors have dwelt for countless generations, or be a part of part of a culture, and people, who has had to endure the hostilities and oppression of foreign powers, and fight tooth and nail for self determination.
Your lack of loyalty and bond to your homeland, and people, while unsurprising, due to you being american, is still vehemently pitiful and disgusting to me. I'd never abandon my homeland and people, even at the face of certain death.
>>17157150
Sure, we can pretend that was a coherent response.
[Insert fitting reply with a witty jab thrown in there]
>>17157153
Eh, we fought some French faggots and some British faggots and then we stole a shitload of land and killed a bunch of natives. Nothing to be proud of really. Plus the whole slavery thing was a big thing here.. National identity is really kind of silly for Americans, really. Like we got the 50's and 60's to take to the bank and that's it. And I have had nothing to do with any of our national achievements, so it would just seem disingenuous to take credit for any of it. Plus, what's the point on dividing things into unnecessary factions? I get family vs non-family type of distinction, that seems like an innate part of society, but to extend that consideration to think of a state as a family is just plain retarded.
>>17156377
>Is this reasonable of me or am I being a bitch?
It's reasonable, but beware of the factions in otrher candidates' camps who are the same. In Bernie's camp they're easier to spot, because they call themselves BernieBros. The faction in Hillary's camp doesn't have a name yet (they're too new, but they exist and are growing).
>>17157138
Lmao Canada? Trudeau literally is watching Canada burn and rejecting assistance
>>17156377
You're allowed to like or not like whatever you want. I'm sure someone has dodged you for your beliefs in the past too. If you can't get over it you'd just end up ruining the relationship over it, so maybe you're just saving both of you some time.
Fair enough. I wouldn't date anyone with drastically different beliefs than myself. It's a recipe for conflict.
>>17157224
>>17157230
What's it like being a 30 year old virgin?
>>17156377
Trump's a cuck stick to your guns
>>17157044
I believe that's called "cutting off the nose to spite the face".
>>17157241
>>17157081
>>17157075
> the world will literally end because of dark skinned people
kek, thanks for handing Hillary the election in a silver platter
>>17157245
Look at africa to see what a majority shitskin society looks like.
If not wanting that fate for my homeland makes me a racist, then I am proud to be one.
>>17157282
That's an amazing leap of logic. I'm not a MUH COLONIALISM apologist for the fuck-ups of modern day Africa, but correlation does not always imply causation - in this case, dark skin equaling political failure. Aside from nineteenth century theories of racial biology - the same century that gave us phrenology and other wonders of western thought - there's no theory that provides satisfying evidence of a link that would make what you're saying not retard-speak.
>>17157316
It's funny, when the evidence of blacks being on average, far dumber than Europeans is everywhere around us, leftist scramble to find evidence that explains that shit away, or blames anything other than blacks and their shitty genes for their lack of mental faculties.
Finland is a country whose entire existence, par the last 100 years, was under what basically amounted to colonial rule, either from the Swedes, or later from the Russians, both of whom actively oppressed us, used us like cannon fodder, and sought to destroy our language and culture, yet, despite of history of "oppression" that went longer than any African country was under colonial rule, my people still built a successful, safe, democratic, and prosperous country.
I won't feel a shred of pity or sympathy towards those sub saharan animals. They have made their own bed, and western powers continue to enable them by supporting those fucks with money and aid. Nobody helped us one bit when we were nothing but a poor as shit backwoods country with a starving population, and we endured.
>>17156494
>Absurdium ad reductem
Kek. Did you mean reductio ad absurdum?
>>17157330
I just wait here to see if someone has the Mugabe
>"no whites can own land" says Mugabe
>Mugabe begs whites to return after famine thing
To be fair Africans could have done better if every other African leader wasn't a completely corrupt despot. I don't understand how they keep churning out those.
>>17157236
Wilful ignorance is a sign of being a beta nu-male.
You defend these hoes and get nothing in return, man it must be nice being a whiteknight.
So I texted him today that we can be friends but I don't feel comfortable dating someone with such dangerous political views. Tried to explain what I meant (which was NOT what he thought it did), but he just raged at me mostly incoherently so I silenced phone and stopped looking at his texts.
Funny thing is he still could have convinced me otherwise had he tried to engage me with reason. Whatever I guess, obviously there was nothing of value lost.
>>17157404
>dangerous political views
And you wonder why he rages
>>17157411
I was calm, sincere and honest. He did not reply in kind. Like at all.
>>17157415
How exactly, is supporting Trump a "dangerous political belief?"
You pretty much started the whole discussion with him from a frame of reference where he was already wrong by supporting a "dangerous" politician, you daft cunt.
>>17157425
Because he's running on a message of hate. Riling up the uneducated masses much in the way conservative talk radio and Fox News has for over a decade.
Hatred is dangerous and pulls us in absolutely the wrong direction as a nation. Whatever Trump actually believes is up in the air, but anyone saying we should ban all Muslims from entering the country is quite obviously a dangerous politician.
And I'm into politics. It's not just one or two rare statements that get picked up by the media and overblown. I've watched several of his speeches. The man is pushing this message of hate hard and often, and seems downright crazy. Maybe he's not crazy and he's just playing these people but even so.
>>17157404
You're retarded. Political views have nothing to do with dating.
>>17157438
That's up to me. And him and you and everyone.
In my case, yes it is important.
>>17157435
>barring entry of people who hold a barbaric ideology in whose name wast majority of them justify atrocious behavior completely unfit for western society is "dangerous".
Delusional cunt.
Majority of muslims hold beliefs that are completely unfit to western society. Majority of them approve of death from apostasy, stoning women for pre-marital relations, strict adherance to Sharia and so on.
Barring the entry of these barbarians is what EVERY western country should do.
Watch this video, if you are actually interested in educating yourself, instead of regutating the talking points your liberal arts professor has stuffed into your head in regards to the religion of "peace".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpy7R2MM6ng
>>17157435
You're just brainwashed. Trump just hates globalism, he doesn't hate any individual or race. He will make america great again and I am sorry for your ignorance.
>>17157451
You know, the same majority of Muslims live in what you term as the "western society". Also, their beliefs are not all that different from yours or mine, or heck, even Trump's own platform.
>>17157442
If you're so fucking strict with the political belief's of others then only associate with others who share your views and when you find slight disagreements with that select few then cut contact and keep doing so until you are left with the only person who has the "right" political belief's
you.
>>17157435
>Because he's running on a message of hate. Riling up the uneducated masses much in the way liberal tv news and Huffington Post has for over a decade.
>Hatred is dangerous and pulls us in absolutely the wrong direction as a nation. Whatever Sanders actually believes is up in the air, but anyone saying we should bankrupt our economy making a socialist hellhole is quite obviously a dangerous politician.
>And I'm into politics. It's not just one or two rare statements that get picked up by the media and overblown. I've watched several of his speeches. The man is pushing this message of hate hard and often, and seems downright crazy. Maybe he's not crazy and he's just playing these people but even so.
the parts i left unchanged are spin and propaganda
>>17157456
Muslims living in western society have proven time and time again, that they DO NOT assimilate. They form their own neighborhoods, that become ghettos, where they instill Sharia law, and breed radicalism.
Look at Sweden's Malmö for example.
https://swedenreport.org/2015/05/18/police-yes-there-are-no-go-zones-in-sweden/
Being a muslim is not a race. It is a ideology, a religion, that one can leave behind (or could, if Mudslimes didn't kill apostates). It is an insidious and cancerous ideology that preaches violent takeover of other peoples.
Muslim populations in western world are ticking time bombs. The sooner they either completely remove themselves from that disgusting ideology (which will never happen), or they are themselves, completely removed from Western societies, the better.
>>17157415
>dangerous
>doesn't want to provoke russia
>wants to build a wall on the southern border which would barely cost anything by comparison to what the USA blows its money on every year, this wall would help prevent drug cartels (look up drug cartel beheadings, violence, what have you; you'll understand why drug cartels are not fun people)
>is against globalism, by proxy against the westernization of other cultures
>disagrees with NATO and UN participation, as the USA rightfully should
>wants to deal with things in a diplomatic matter
>in prior interviews to candidacy is well spoken, now clearly utilizing simpler words and etc in a way of thought out persuasion and psychology
>wants to get rid of NAFTA, TPP, common core and the like
Dangerous? The things described up there? That's dangerous? I'll be honest, I didn't take him seriously at first, but you have to understand that behind this ostensibly simple man is a legend who has avoided every single pitfall setup to take him down and on numerous occasions has brushed aside concentrated efforts of several million dollars to discredit him. He has stood infront of booing crowds and protestors, never letting up and standing tall in the face of it all.
Do I want him as president of the USA? Yes, I do. I don't even live in the USA, I live in Eastern Europe and for the first time, I'm drawn to the USA elections. I'm drawn to this first-time politician who has managed to outdo everybody else and waste LESS money despite having more of it.
Dangerous? No, far from it. The real danger is the people who will trick you time and again, whilst feeding you excuses. The real danger comes from supporting the same policies without any change that have been consistently shown to escalate a worsening situation.
You want relationship advice? Don't be another monotonous cunt.
>>17157451
>>17157455
>watch some cute asshole drone on like an idiot
>it's way more credible than your devout Muslim friends and college professors
I've taken Islamic philosophy and Islamic history courses. Did actual research and read textbooks. This is something I consider to be more valuable than hot morons talking out of their asses.
Call me crazy (or indoctrinated if you must), but at least the other GOP candidates were blaming Muslim extremists and not calling for an outright ban on ALL Muslims. Do you understand how terrible this would be for international relations? And domestic problems. The Muslim population here is ostracized and discriminated against already. Working to make this even worse is going to do nothing positive for our country. Globalization is unavoidable to a certain extent, and fighting the inevitable is not a great idea. ISIS is already using Trump's hateful message as a recruitment tool against the United States.
Do you see where I'm going with this? Treat a massive group of people poorly and foster hatred against them and just see what happens. It won't be anything good. We need to be pushing for understanding and finding common ground, not forcing our communities further apart.
>>17157485
>facts are irrelevant if they go against my feelings, the post.
Oh yeah, I am arguing with a woman, how could I forget.
Statistical facts speak for themselves. A shitton of muslims hold beliefs, which are completely against western values. Allowing an influx of them into your country is basically treasonous, as subversion and eventual takeover of other societies (if they can't do it via force from the get go) is literally a part of muslim dogma.
The "moderate" muslims are a myth. Vast majority of them still advocate for sharia law, and other shit that flies in the face of western values.
> Do you understand how terrible this would be for international relations?
With whom? Mudslime countries? Because no other country would give a shit.
What every western country should do with their muslim populations (who refuse to relinquish their ideology), is deport them, and fucking kill the ones who refuse to leave. They are an enemy to everything western civilization stands for.
They have been an enemy to west since times immemorial, far, far longer than this recent shit. Crusades were a RETALIATION to muslims raiding, and attacking european countries.
The sooner west realizes that these god damn savages are worth nothing but extermination, the better.
>>17157508
If you're still talking about that YouTube video with the cute guy, it didn't explore the data at all. A lot of the apparent poll questions were very open to interpretation and I feel he made huge leaps of logic in naming all of those people extremists. They grew up under very different circumstances, many with violence as a regular occurrence. I'm not denying the fact of Muslim extremism, but I do believe in the inherent goodness of humanity. It's unfortunate that violence happens as the world's nations become increasingly globalized when vastly different cultures come into contact, but in a few generations I feel that most of this will be behind us.
>>17157536
>It's unfortunate that violence happens as the world's nations become increasingly globalized when vastly different cultures come into contact, but in a few generations I feel that most of this will be behind us.
How naive can you be?
Globalization means the death of cultures and peoples. You can have internal trade etc, without the forced, mixing of cultures and peoples that modern globalists shills are pushing for.
What they seek, is to destroy distinct groups of people, until we are all an abigious brown mass of shit, with no identity (other than the one elites impose upon us), and I'll be damned if I lie down and accept that fate for my people.
There will be more violence, the harder globalism is pushed, because ultimately, people won't accept the extinction of their own cultures and peoples. Right now, westeners are just too complacent, and comfortable, but as shit keeps getting worse, the peoples attitudes will become increasingly harsh and intolerant.
I am already more than willing to rise up and go kill our traitorous politicians, and leftist fucks if my nation's army ever tried to make a coup, and issued a call to arms.
>>17157544
Right because killing people is totally the reasonable thing to do when faced with losing your cultural identity. That makes you no better than the extremists :/
This right here guys is a pretty clear-cut example of why women and men are different. I have never heard of a man that gave a shit if their partner had a different political interest/philosophy. But women will divorce your ass over it. Dw about it op if you don't want him, I'm sure he'll find someone else.
>>17157435
I don't like trump, but you do realize that fox and talk radio have done nothing but try and stop trump? Mark levin and glenn beck(big talk radio guys) have severely damaged their brand by going after him, so has megyn kelly from fox news. Please inform yourself just a little more.
Oh beck went after him so hard it almost bankrupt his company and he had to lay off around 40 employees(i guess he only had around 200 employees at the time)
I love it how the Hillary Shills have moved over to /adv/ where you will always get a bite no matter how obvious the b8.
Get used to it, /adv/. From here on out you're going to get these kinds of threads, all just looking for (you)s so they can get their
>$0.02 has been deposited to your McDonald's account. Thank you from the Committee to Destroy Donald J. Trump!
How much did you make, shill? A few bucks? I can't wait for your stale pasta.
It's not too late. You too can help us MAGA, and spend all of that energy working to improve. Try it. Just for a day, try focusing on how to make yourself better.
MAGA
>>17157544
You sound legit delusional, anon. I know being a purposeless milennial is hard work but did you really have to fall for the 'muh people muh culture' meme so badly? Your little tryhard act is adorable.
>>17157583
When words fail.
Violence is inevitable.
>>17156418
> can you explain your viewpoint some so I can try to understand.
What part of "You are being a bitch" don't you understand?
Trump will be the next President. Just deal with it.
>>17157587
Lol of course I realize this. It would be a delicious irony if the potential consequences of all of this weren't so severe. They created Trump inadvertently though they never wanted him, and now they're fighting their own political monster because he doesn't align with their true agenda.
He's the result of feeding shit to the American people for so long to try to benefit your own brand. Mindless propaganda used to feed a political machine has had some unintended consequences and now we're all suffering for it.
>>17157601
Oh I get it. You're working on an assignment for your creative writing class.
Needs work.
MAKE WRITING GREAT AGAIN
>>17157601
Yeah, you seem pretty hopeless. You'll end up liking trump in the end, his policies are a lot more socialist than people think, he will likely expand the affordable care act. He is also all about tarrifs which unions absolutely love. The only thing conservative about him is he is slightly isolationalist. He is just another candidate that loves big government as long as he is in control of it. His campaign is incredible similar to Obama's
>political outsider
Check
>catchy slogan
Check
>zealous supporters
Check
>avoid saying anything of substance
Check
I was just hoping sanders would win thecdem primary, too idiots arguing with each other would be glorious
This has been kinda fun. Hoping people start making comments worth responding to again.
>>17157625
That was passive aggressive as fuck. You really are a bitch. Listen, you're clearly like 16-19 years old and it seems like you lack any real cognitive grasp of what one needs to focus on to make a relationship work. If political views are one thing you value, then you already know that it's a deal breaker. Either stop caring about political views in your significant other or drop the nigga cold. How did you not immediately reach this conclusion?
>>17156418
Guarantee Hillary is ten times worse than trump but what do I know
>>17156377
>I kinda feel like he doesn't deserve a chance now. Is this reasonable of me or am I being a bitch?
>>17157664
I already dropped him.
>>17157675
Hillary is establishment. Trump has monetarily supported that establishment. He's just flip flopping and pandering to middle American xenophobia to assume direct control. He's clear about that at least. But he just straight up denies the truth about his own actions when they don't follow with his current campaign.
He's just as establishment as Hillary, but he's the only one acting like he isn't, and also pretending to be on the conservative side. It's really easy to pretend to be ignorant. And ignorance looks genuine.
>>17157675
Apparently not much
>>17157544
>the harder globalism is pushed
I feel like globalization is an unstoppable force at this point, and at the heart of it it's not even about politics. The rapid expansion of the Internet has completely changed the way we communicate, trade, and interact as a species. It's a hell of a lot bigger than a few trade deals. It's bigger than America or the EU or any other nation.
A post like yours just sounds naive. We can't turn back the clock, we can't go back in time to post-WWII America, we can't expect that old modes of business are ever going to work again. We need politicians who are actually willing to accept what's happening and look AHEAD.
But, as usual, that isn't an option this year. You can vote for Trump who thinks he's going to take us back to the '50s, Sanders who thinks he's going to take us back to the '30s, or Hillary who can assure you that you're just fine right now, everything's just fine right now, we don't need to change a thing.
>>17157601
> potential consequences
https://youtu.be/WfVcvyxLj-s
> worth responding to
You just can't accept the rise of President Trump, can you?
>>17157435
>Hatred is dangerous and pulls us in absolutely the wrong direction as a nation.
That's a really silly blanket statement. Emotions can be good or bad depending on the situation. The idea that all hate and anger are bad is just an overreaction to ww2. We have these emotions for a reason. Societies wouldn't work without them.
>>17157435
> anyone saying we should ban all Muslims from entering the country is quite obviously a dangerous
Why? The West has been fucking up their nations and killing their leaders for years. Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Syria - that kind of stuff isn't just forgotten. Radicals are just waiting for their next chance to strike back.
Protecting our nation isn't hate. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
>>17157890
Because this isn't prevention. If it actually happened it would sour our relationships with those nations even further, and contribute to negative feelings about our country around the world.
Who knows if Trump would actually go through with any of his promises if elected. But the fact that he's made it this far on a message of hate is already detrimental to our position on the international stage. We're proving to be uncaring assholes so soon after we started to change that about ourselves. It's like we're determined to sabotage ourselves as members of the international community.
>>17157583
It is not about being "better" than the extremists.
It is about ensuring the survival of my people and homeland.
And if that requires unrelenting savagery, then we that is what one must resort to, because the alternative is either extinction, or becoming subjugated by a foreign culture and people.
>>17157592
Spoken like someone who has no connection to his homeland and people.
I swore an oath in the army to defend my homeland, and people, and I didn't do it lightly. If upholding that oath requires me to kill, I will do so.
>>17157757
That's defeatism. It is not set in stone that all distinct people and cultures will have to vanish and merge into some pathetic, rootless mass of consumers, like the globalist shills would desire.
Nationalistic sentiments are rising across europe, especially among the youth. There will be bloody reckoning within our lifetimes, and I intend to be there to tip the balance towards the side that isn't bent on exterminating my people and culture, like leftists, muslims, and globalists are.
The cities of europe will be painted red with blood once again within few centuries.
>>17158455
Dude what are you even talking about? You can't fight multiculturalism very well when we're already this far in. You're living in a past you've likely never even experienced.
Assuming you're from the US.
>>17158492
I am talking from an European perspective, specifically Finnish one.
You rootless american mongrels are already too far gone. You can't even comprehend what it is like from our perspective, to see this fucking madness going on. Our values, traditions, and cultures being openly mocked and shat upon by leftist fucks who ape YOUR rhetoric and college culture, along with the barbarian mudslimes who are shit stains upon our soil.
The fact that your ilk think that the only sane man in your politics, is "dangerous" is fucking disgusting to me.
You are a waste of breath in this world.
>>17158524
lol
>ITT
>>17158625
Typical reply from a woman.
I'm going to pretend this is a bait thread, but give my opinion on trump.
See, trump is not racist.
He dislikes ILLEGAL immigrants.
He wants to put a temporary ban on Islamic immigrants, which is smart, because who on earth is drone striking the shit out of them currently? What country would Islamic extremists want to ruin more than anything? The place bombing their families.
China has a wall. South of Mexico, there is a wall. These are made to keep unwanted people from coming in unlawfully. I'm against immigration completely, but the wall is not an unreasonable idea. No legal immigrant should be worried about it.
Trump wants to improve foreign relations with many countries, as well. Most importantly, Russia. Trump would be a much better president than the democratic choices we currently have. If you hate trump, you yourself are ignorant.
>>17159296
>He dislikes ILLEGAL immigrants
>ban on Islamic immigrants
>made to keep unwanted people from coming in unlawfully
>Trump would be a much better president than the democratic choices we currently have.
This is why I voted Trump
>>17158524
Amerilard reporting in, I take offense to being lumped into that. Trump will win. She's part of a very, VERY loud minority.
This fucking thread right here. I swear to God. You're all faggots. Faggots, I tell you.
I know you know what I'm talking about.
>>17159330
You know what most of these morons don't understand? You can still come legally, you just can't come as an illegal. Illegal, you know? As in it is a fucking crime.
Where's the damn racism in trying to follow the damn Constitution? I swear to God.
