Who do I vote for?
Im an upper middle class straight white male for was educated in private schools and currently studying computer science. Im also and atheist and pro choice and want to end the war on drugs, but strictly against illegal immigration or general unneeded immigration.
Sanders- Pro immigration, says white people cant be poor
>30% of all welfare recipients are white
Clinton
>Will say anything to get your vote
Trump
>Says crazy shit, so crazy it seems honest, anti immigration, and I dont think he is very religious
Ted Cruz
>Overly religious, wife is executive at Goldman Sachs and i dont trust those people.
>>17034242
Your description of the candidates show that you know very little about them, or politics in general.
Maybe you better stay out of this one.
>>17034242
Vote for Sanders, don't you want free healthcare, free college tuition, and jobs?
He's literally the only candidate who is not a corrupt piece of shit tied to big money. The United States has never had a candidate like him in recent memory.
>>17034242
You didn't come to ask a question, you came to shill for Trump.
It's so fucking satisfying to see him crashing and burning, you know that? And the way it's panning out is delicious, because he's failing at the one thing he said he was good at - making a deal. He's whining and crying about how Cruz is beating him at winning over the GOP and winning over the delegates, but tough tit - those were the rules all along. Cruz is winning the deal, and all Trump can do is baww about unfairness.
>>17034255
Isnt trump the republican version of sanders?
I dont want free healthcare when over 20% of the population is overweight since that is the biggest strain on our health care system.
Why should college be free? Not every degree has the same value, why would I pay for you to get a degree in say sociology?
There are plenty of jobs in TECH field.
>>17034266
I feel like every other candidate hates white males, if Trump doesnt win I see this ending us.
>>17034278
>I see this ending us.
This is what everyone thinks about every election ever. "If we don't win, world will end"
Eventually you grow up.
>>17034276
He's the angry redneck version of Sanders.
Sanders basically tells liberal entitled kids what they want to hear, Trump tells angry stupid rednecks what they want to hear.
"Republican" is becoming a meaningless term, since it's becoming apparent that huge chunks of the Republican party are completely at odds with each other issues-wise. So he might be "republican", but who the fuck cares anymore.
He's not remotely conservative, which is what Republican used to mean.
Libertarian
>>17034286
Or not...usually not.
>>17034242
Our country is fucked, doesn't matter who you vote for.
I think Deez Nuts would have been a better candidate.
https://www.isidewith.com/
Take this quiz anon. Believe it or not, but the candidates are more than just memes.
>>17034242
How about making up your own mind instead of shilling on an anonymous korean cartoon board? You can obviously use the interwebs; do some research yourself. The answer will be more rewarding.
>$0.02 has been deposited to your McDonald's account
MAGA
PLEASE vote for Trump. You have no idea how lucky you Americans are just to have him as an option. We poor cuck niggerloving Swedes have no reasonable man to vote for who wants to set our country straight....
>>17034242
To me, Hillary seems like the only one that's sane and intelligent. There are things I don't like about her, but she's the only one who'd actually be an effective leader.
I just can't get behind Sanders. I liked him at the beginning of his campaign, I thought I was gonna vote for him, but I've drifted further and further away every time I hear him talk. Frankly, I think he's a well-meaning idiot. He IS honest, but he's accomplished almost nothing in his career. He's demonstrated time and time again that he doesn't really know how to accomplish any of his promises, in a practical sense. When he's asked for specifics, he just doubles down on the rhetoric. Every single time.
He's pointing out certain problems more honestly than the other candidates do, but we've ALL been aware of these things forever. I just don't believe he knows how to solve them. He keeps talking about a "revolution of the people," but I see now he's depending on that because NONE of the people in politics or the private sector, the people he'll actually need to work with in order to make any changes, will even return the guy's phone calls. A Sanders presidency would be a fucking mess. Either he'd be a wrench in the gears that slows the whole system down for EVERYONE (hurting the working class most of all, as socialist "revolutions" almost always do) or he'd get into the Oval Office, realize that all of his "backseat driver" policies were ridiculous, and basically transform into Hillary Clinton.
At the end of the day, "too good to be true" just doesn't exist in politics. He genuinely doesn't know what he's talking about. Notice that the Republicans are fucking terrified of Hillary, but they don't even talk about Sanders.
>>17034242
>middle class
Whatever you, don't vote for Sanders. He's going to rape the middle class. We are going to get hit with taxes and once he raises minimum wage to $15/hr OUR money will be devalued. So we'll be paying more to the government, and having to spend more money on the same things we already buy.
Gary Johnson
He was popular with New Mexico and managed to get reelected as governor in a blue state while running as a GOP member.
He's "libertarian" but "true" libertarians think he's too statist.
>>17034340
Not only that, there'll be MASSIVE layoffs and hiring freezes.
>I'm going to make it unmanageably expensive for ANY business to hire or retain an employee! Tax 'em dead AND raise the minimum wage! For the people!
I thought I was liberal, but the Sanders fanbase is starting to sicken me even more than Trump's. I know elections are always a shitshow, but American politics have never been THIS stupid, have they?
Whoever you decide to vote for, don't vote for the populist one that promises a lot of "free" stuff, if he gets in office, you'll soon discover they aren't really free but then it'll be too late.
>>17034347
It's because Sanders is appealing to the far majority of young Americans known as the millennials (I'm ashamed to be part of this generation Tbh). My generation is what's going to destroy this country.
Sanders appeals to them by offering Free college. So of course everyone goes to him. Notice how his supporters go crazy if you don't support him? They want the free college and loan repayment that fucking bad. It's sad
We need a true fiscal conservative like Bill Clinton again.
Government spending under him grew slower than inflation
A lot of Republicans claim they're fiscal conservative all they want, but they don't respect social freedom and without social freedom it's impossible to have economic freedom.
My big problem with Cruz is that he's part of the religious right, he doesn't support freedom if it conflicts with his "religious ideals".
Otherwise he's fine...
Trump is a wildcard.
Bernie too big of a spender.
Gary Johnson too unknown
Hillary is a snake and her foreign policy isn't exactly great either but her and a GOP congress could very well replicate Bill Clinton's administration
>>17034368
>Notice how his supporters go crazy if you don't support him?
Yeah, it's like 90% of my friends at this point. It's like Invasion of the Body Snatchers or something. I just don't want to talk politics with anyone I actually like, the self-righteous ignorance just exhausts me and I'm losing respect for people.
>>17034390
I liked Rand Paul. But conservatism really doesn't exist anymore. The Republican party establishment couldn't be further from conservative.
I'm voting for Hillary because she isn't crazy and she isn't an idiot. Seems like the best we can hope for, at this point.
>>17034390
One thing Clinton did that really cut spending at the expense of the military.
There's no way you're ever going to get a president to cut spending like that again.
Believe it or not that's where a majority of the budget goes.
>>17034400
I think Rand is the most sane of the GOP names who ran for president when it came to foreign policy.
Was disgusting to watch as he got booed by the audience when he said that it may be better to negotiate before considering bombing the Middle East.
>>17034405
I know.
It doesn't really show on the statistics, but they hide the costs well.
Some call Canada socialist, but the Canadian government spending relative to its GDP is less than that of America.
>>17034405
>Believe it or not that's where a majority of the budget goes.
Oh, I believe it. Anyone who knows what they're talking about knows it. It's fucking insane how they flush money down the toilet.
And then these Republican candidates get up, talk about cutting the EPA and the DOE (as if that'd even make a fucking dent) and INCREASING our defense budget. And they have the nerve to call themselves conservative.
If one good thing could come out of this election, I think the GOP is finally going to die. We pretty much need a new party that actually represents conservative values. Not just greed, deception, and depthless corruption. I would vote conservative every time if it was actually an option.
Do you guys know that college is free in France and it's absolutely not a problem to anyone ?
There are no niggers or welfare abusers in college. They couldn't make it till there.
>>17034406
I'd even take Kasich over Trump, Cruz, or Sanders, any day of the week. Maybe even over Clinton. But they've trained their voters to ignore and dismiss anyone who isn't a loudmouth idiot. This election was bound to happen eventually
>>17034421
>not a problem to anyone
Except the economy
>>17034420
A lot of the conservatives mainly the Religious Right are just as socialist as any Bernie Sanders/Trudeau/whatever when it comes to spending.
The spending just goes somewhere else, instead of welfare it's the military and "upholding traditional value"
The only way to get something that's actually conservative/smaller government is when there's a liberal president with a GOP congress like during Clinton's admnistration.
>>17034421
America has a fair amount of affirmative actions and African Americans/Hispanics can get in good colleges with lower grades than whites/asians.
>>17034255
There is no such thing as free, you twat.
How anyone could vote for Sanders is beyond me. Free healthcare? Dont make me laugh. The U.S. has such a huge obesity rating it would tank tax payers to cover costs of fatties. Also, college isnt a right it's a privilege.
Trump
>>17034421
>According to a 2011 report by the American Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), France's GDP per capita at purchasing power parity is similar to that of the UK, with just over US$35,000 per head.[32] To explain why French per capita GDP is lower than that of the United States, the economist Paul Krugman stated that "French workers are roughly as productive as US workers", but that the French have allegedly a lower workforce participation rate and "when they work, they work fewer hours".
>French employment rates for 15–64 years is one of the lowest of the OECD countries: in 2012, only 71% of the French population aged 15–64 years were in employment, compared to 74% in Japan, 77% in the UK, 73% in the US and 77% in Germany.[37] This gap is due to the low employment rate for 15–24 years old: 38% in 2012, compared to 47% in the OECD. Neoliberal economists attribute the low employment rate, particularly evident among young people, to allegedly high minimum wages that would prevent low productivity workers from easily entering the labour market.[38] But Krugman states by contrast in his January 2011 Op-Ed that fewer French young people work "in part because of more generous college aid" (the french state university system works without tuition fees).
>>17034444
P.S.
My four 4's confirm Sanders is a twat.
>>17034421
>>17034448
>>A December 2012 New York Times article reported on an allegedly "floating generation" in France that formed part of the 14 million unemployed young Europeans documented by the Eurofound research agency.[39] In the same article, Anne Sonnet, a senior economist studying unemployment at the OECD claimed that nearly two million young people in France had given up looking for employment at that time, while French labour minister Michel Sapin said that 82 percent of people hired were only on temporary contracts. Sapin further explained that, in his opinion, the challenge at that time was to create a more flexible system, in which greater trust existed between unions and companies, and "partial unemployment" was accommodated during difficult periods. The so-called floating generation was attributed to an allegedly dysfunctional system: "an elitist educational tradition that does not integrate graduates into the work force, a rigid labour market that is hard to enter for newcomers, and a tax system that makes it expensive for companies to hire full-time employees and both difficult and expensive to lay them off."
>Everyday, about 80,000 French citizens are commuting to work in neighbouring Luxembourg, making it the biggest cross-border workforce group in the whole of the European Union.[43] They are attracted by much higher wages for the different job groups than in their own country and the lack of skilled labour in the booming Luxembourgish economy.
Any of this sound familiar?
>discussing who you're going to vote for
Seeing as though you're unable to make decisions for yourself you'll probably just end up voting Bernie
Health care does need fixing, but in no way, is a universal health care system a good idea, the fatties, the hood rats, and illegals will drown it out, and make it worse for all of us.
News flash to everyone, college is free in the U.S.A., scholarships are out there, and a lot go unclaimed, and if you don't qualify for them, JOIN THE MILITARY if you want free college, most of those European states that have free college, require you to join the military, in America, YOU HAVE A CHOICE!!!!!!! (Wahhhh, wahhh, I don't want to be sent off to war, wahh, JOIN COAST GUARD FAGGOT!)
Pro Choice? Fuck off, marriage is a religious thing anyways.
Pro life? Use fucking protection, or don't have sex, don't waste my tax money because you got drunk and had a 1 night stand.
Democrats like to separate race and sex as well, giving certain groups special treatment.
I can't tell you who to vote for, but if Bernie Sanders is elected, we will end up like Europe, melting away. Vote anyone but Sanders, please, I want a future. Vote Republican if you can, Liberals destroy everything good.
>>17034448
>>17034453
>quoting facts to Bernie supporters
Good luck with that
>>17034467
This. I'm trying to start a fucking business and the Sanders train just won't stop picking up speed. I guess I'm gonna hire 0 people and do it all myself
>More taxes on the business owners! Higher wages for the working class!
Yeah, for the 40% of the working class that will still have jobs after you're done with them. Crack a fucking history book, please, people
>>17034473
Bernie supporters will never read a book or facts.
They will only look at Facebook post...
>>17034444
Harshness aside, this guy is correct. Nothing is free. Sanders is the kid running for fifth grade class president on the platform that he will have pizza parties every Friday, no one will ever have homework again, and all school lunches will include soda.
>>17034491
Nah, Bernie is running on the platform that the 2 smartest kids in the class will do everyone's homework for them, and they better not complain or else REVOLUTION IN THE STREETS! THIS IS GOOD FOR AMERICA!
>>17034421
>free
>not a problem to anyone
That's delusional, son.
On a related note, I saw my first Vermin Supreme clip the other day and loved the guy.
"Sir, what about your free pony platform?"
"Oh right, everyone gets a free pony."
"Are you going to have to raise taxes to pay for that?"
"No, because it's free."
Fucking brilliant.
>>17034512
Bernie hasn't hidden the fact that he'll raise taxes through the roof. It's just that nobody seems to fucking understand what that actually means for the working class.
Look them up on ontheissues.org and see who you agree with the most.
>>17034477
Um, I'm a Bernie supporter and I've read books on politics and economics before. Democratic socialism works -- it's why Scandinavia is so successful as a region. There's no reason why it wouldn't work in America either.
>>17034491
>>17034506
agreed, but I still have to admit he's the least hateable of the Trump/Clinton/Sanders troika because he seems to genuinely believe/care that his idiocy is good for people. Would never vote for him, would buy him a beer while he was out of the house getting cucked.
Trump and Hillary are just narcissistic assholes.
>>17034516
Right, or the economy in general. Students hear "the rich" and they think "Oh, well that's not me, awesome!"
They hear that everyone will have their taxes raised somewhat, and that still sounds okay because they think they'll be getting 160k in student loans forgiven.
Of course, they might eventually get bitter when they get the tax hikes, can't get a job, and the loans stick around for some reason, but hey, it'll still be the fault of those darned rich people.
>>17034521
Scandinavia is a largely homogeneous in culture and ethnicity
>>17034523
you know, I've done a lot of research on Hillary and I've never been able to understand why people hate her so much. It doesn't bother me that she's on speaking terms with bankers and business owners, because those are exactly the people she'll need to deal and negotiate with to make any kind of changes. As far as I can see, she's worked for pretty much her entire career on policies that benefit the poor and the working class.
She's a politician, yes, in every sense of the word. But don't we want a politician running our political system? Bernie is "honest" and "genuine" in the civilian sense, but he has accomplished SO LITTLE in his political career. He's great at scolding people, not so great at getting them to listen.
So how is Hillary the "dishonest" one when she's giving realistic, detailed, achievable plans, rather than just telling the audience whatever the fuck they want to hear when she has no idea how to make it happen? Bernie might genuinely believe his lies, but they still aren't true. At least in the debates, Hillary doesn't insult the voters' intelligence the way Bernie does. When she describes her plans and policies, she keeps it grounded in reality and she actually knows what she's talking about.
>>17034544
>So how is Hillary the "dishonest" one when she's giving realistic, detailed, achievable plans
I wasn't talking about her plans, which I agree are more realistic than Sanders (even though as a conservative I believe they are, as a whole, horrible).
I'm referring to her personality. By personal observation and secondhand on the observations of those much closer to her, she's undeniably a lying, self-serving, nasty, bitter, mean-spirited cunt.
>>17034242
In the UK some of us aren't retarded and identity politics don't come into it.
Find a website that lets you compare policies etc without knowing whose they are, choose, then see whose policies are right for you.
>>17034336
>Hillary seems like the only one that's sane and intelligent.
>Stores thousands of top secret emails on an unprotected personal server.
Yeah mate she should be in jail, not the oval office.
>>17034570
Voting for a personality doesn't work well. George W Bush seems like a nice dude, honestly. None of my friends would make a good President, and no good President would make a good friend. She's clawed her way to the top because she's fucking tough and smart and driven, and a person like that tends to rub a lot of people the wrong way.
![Hillary-s-Big-Crowd-B2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/fxabr7i.jpg "Hillary-s-Big-Crowd-B2[1].jpg")
>>17034544
When Clinton lies to you, she insults your intelligence. She's calling you an easily manipulated fool. And when you just accept it and try not to think about it and make excuses for her lies ("she's a politician, yes"), it shows she was right.
You're her bitch.
>>17034614
>lies lies lies
EXAMPLES, though. Because I bought into this attitude until I actually started reading about her
>>17034613
I'm not going to try to change your mind, I'm just telling you why rational people despise her. In business if someone lies to your face you never work with them again.
But sure, you roll over for her as much as you want, I don't give a fuck. Be one of her little people if that suits you.
>>17034526
>Bernie gets into office.
>Raises taxes across the board.
>Raises minimum wage.
>Unemployment and inflation rises sharply.
>Bernie's advisors have some bad news. There just isn't enough money to forgive college debt.
>Bernie is in a real pickle now. Scratching his head to find a way out of this one.
>Bernie introduces some ridiculous free college bill that top 30% of Americans 120% of their income, unless they are female or black. Military spending is also reduced to 10 mil a year.
>Berniefags are eating this shit up because they've never picked up an economics or history book in their lives.
>Republicans block it for obvious reasons.
>Bernie screams at a press conference "We cannot have our vision be realized because of those racist bigot Republicans!" "Revolution now!"
>>17034623
Who are you voting for? I'm honestly curious. I'm not in love with Hillary by a long shot, but I just don't see a better option.
Cruz? At least Cruz isn't an idiot. Kasich seemed acceptable until he adopted this whole "fuck the voters" crusade.
>>17034615
I just posted an example. When asked if she wiped her server, she responded "what like with a cloth or something? I don't know how it works digitally at all."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2OJwsit0WY
Do you believe that's an accurate representation of her understanding of technology?
How many examples do you need?
>>17034521
Sweden has a lower corporate tax rate than the average effective corp tax rate of the US.
Finland too.
>>17034628
I'm probably going to write in. I like Cruz's dogged constitutionalism, but I think the whole direction the republican base has gone in the last decade as far as saying "fuck off" to immigration is utterly wrong-headed and antithetical to conservativism.
>>17034646
>write in
So you're just giving up so you can pat yourself on the back, then
Out of the four of them, Hillary seems... acceptable.
Hilary is a criminal and should be in jail. Anyone that votes for her is a joke.
>>17034613
It's not an either/or issue. It doesn't matter how capable she is if she cannot be trusted. Would you get a guard dog that can maul bears if you suspected it'll turn on you?
>>17034646
Obama has been harder on immigration than Bush
>>17034775
Obama is a worthless flesh puppet that most other politicians use as a scapegoat. Since he's too stupid or corrupt to do anything decent, it's obvious that he'll consider using someone else's suggestions.
>>17034646
Conservatives are against illegal immigration, not immigration in general. The fact that you conflate the two indicates you drank the kool aid
>>17034786
>I say opposition to immigration is antithetical to conservativism
>you "correct" me by saying conservatives are not opposed to legal immigration
Reading comprehension....you really failed it hard.
>>17034444
Something tells me you don't understand how things really work.
>>17034473
Or you could pay your workers a reasonable wage and actually be respectful to your employee base.
Or being a psychopathic, entitled, and greedy twat works too.
>>17034512
Why do people who don't understand things try to talk about the things they don't understand?
![meme-bad-argument-hippie[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/QSx0xrE.png "meme-bad-argument-hippie[1].png")
>>17034848
>I will throw meaningless, nice sounding talking points out like they constitute an argument
>flawlessvictory.jpg
>>17034855
So paying your employees a shitty wage and shitting on their hours is a much better way of going about things?
Have fun watching your business tank, big guy.
lmao.
>>17034814
You said Republicans (a group whuch is composed of people on the conservative side of the political spectrum) are opposed to immigration.
Perhaps the problem is not with people's reading comprehension, but with your ability to write.
>>17034848
>psychopathic, entitled, and greedy twat
I'm personally going into debt, out of pocket, just to get started. I know you've heard the phrase "money doesn't grow on trees" but I guess it never fucking sunk in. I don't HAVE an employee base yet. The wages are one thing, I would offer any ground-floor employee significant stock options as well, and wouldn't be paying minimum wage anyway. It's the tax hike that's going to kill me.
I genuinely don't think you understand anything about money. I'm probably going to have to put my plans on hold if Sanders actually wins, and the ball's already rolling for me. So NOBODY gets a job. I won't have a single employee to "abuse"
>>17034871
goddamn you're fucking retarded. The whole point of my post was that people who call themselves republicans, and vote republican, are becoming less conservative. You seem to think that all republicans are conservatives. That's just fucking stupid.
Are you going to keep digging yourself in a hole? I might not be around to call you a jackass again, if you do. It'll have to go unnoticed.
>>17034848
>>17034860
I really, really hope you're trolling. But these views really do represent a large portion of Sanders's voters.
Why do you even live in America? Seriously? You don't want freedom or independence, you don't want to build anything, you just want a new Daddy to keep giving you your allowance. Grow the fuck up and open your eyes.
>>17034947
Grow up and open your eyes dumbass.
Stop eating these others peoples shit. The problem isn't with one political ideology or another, the problem exists with corporate greed.
Capitalism isn't freedom or independence. Sorry you're too cucked to realize that.
>>17034928
And I don't think you understand anything about what Bernie Sanders is trying to say.
It isn't free ponies and pizza party friday's. Its giving aid to the people who need it. It is eliminating the have and have nots mentality this country has.
Whats your problem? What are you scared of? See, you've probably never seen how the other half really lives. Sure, you've probably had your white middle class struggles, but nothing in your life has really been that bad.
get over yourself.
>>17034972
I'm starting a small business. Sanders's plans will pretty much eradicate small business. The major corporations can survive pretty much anything. Read a bit about socialism and socialist "revolutions," the workers and the poor get hit harder than anyone, because nobody can afford to give jobs or retain employees.
It's not about the minimum wage increase. As I said, I'd never hire someone only to pay them an abusive or un-livable wage. It's about all the taxes funding government programs that don't actually help people in the long run. They keep people poor.
I agree with you on corporate greed, but all systems are corruptible. I'd still pick capitalism over communism or socialism, any day of the week.
>>17034994
But would you really want Donald Trump? He is the capitalist poster child.
My issue with Trump is that he can't possibly relate or empathize with the common American family.
Therefore, how is he going to help the common American family?
>>17035004
No, I don't want Donald Trump.
For me:
Kasich > Cruz > Clinton > Sanders > Trump
I'll vote for whoever I have to
>>17034983
>Its giving aid to the people who need it. It is eliminating the have and have nots mentality this country has.
How? Can you tell me how? I'm all for the idea of breaking up unfair monopolies. That's how capitalism is supposed to work. I believe most of the "big banks" are unfair monopolies, as are several other major corporations and conglomerates.
This is the problem with Sanders' supporters. I don't disagree with his MORALS. I just think he's an idiot who doesn't know HOW to accomplish these things, and the few specific plans he's suggested will do more harm than good.
He's like a college freshman running for President. His heart's obviously in the right place, I can't fault his integrity, but he just doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. He's a backseat driver, and he has been for his entire political career.
I hope he stays in the public eye. I hope he keeps calling out these problems and rallying people around them. I just don't want him anywhere near the White House. I'm glad he's in the Senate, I wish there were more Senators like him, but that's exactly where he belongs
>>17035033
>and the sandersfags go silent
>>17034242
CLINTON: is a effective leader but her husband former president was caught having a affair. but he was a good president. voting for her just because she is a woman is like: voting for richard simmons becase he speaks for fat people...
SANDERS: the reason cranky old people shouldnt vote, larry david for president?
CRUZ: repeats the same things that rubio said. turns round and says yes i said that.
TRUMP: says some boneheaded soundbytes, but has no carreer in politics, self - funded, written several books, cds etc on how to make YOU rich unlike most rich guys who wont. every other candidate are are focussing on what he "might do" not will do.
im not here to shill for any one candidate. as i cannont vote in the elections anyway. its just a unobjective opinion
>>17034276
our (nz) higher learning isnt free. and we have massive student debt, if you want a doctor its no locals they have to work overseas to clear their student debt first.
>>17034582
Diff anon.
Honestly that's not even the biggest issue with her. Why are Americans so surprised when politicians, especially people in the president's cabinet, do shady shit?
>>17034242
You need more substance than just
>what I want in immigration
>what i want in economics
These are very broad topics. Learn a little about how things work and make a choice based off who benefits you.
>>17034255
You're such a fucking idiot
>>17034946
This is how idiots engage in discourse
>>17034336
>What has Bernie accomplished?
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you
>>17034841
Something tells me you don't have a mortgage.
>>17036066
I got a mortgage worth of student loans.
>>17036236
And what was your degree?
Liberal arts? Graphic Design? Dental Hygienist? English? Social Work?
>>17036310
Graphic Design...
We could cut defense spending to help pay for health care costs and/or student loan debt.
obviously Clinton
>>17034393
>log onto Facebook for the first time in forever
>all the friends that you haven't spoken to are rabid Bernie supporters and spread left-wing propaganda 24/7
I have to agree with you. This metaphor might be overkill, but it's like watching them join a cult. They don't know what any of it truly means, but they have in a way been brainwashed and there is no way to discuss anything without someone getting vividly angry at you.
>>17036512
I meant to write wildly, not vividly.
>>17034242
TRUMP
MAGA!!!
>>17036419
>graphic design
also even if we cut military spending by 100% and taxed the 'rich' 100% for incomes over 1 million, we still wouldn't have enough to cover the proposed 18 trillion required to put Sander's plan in motion.
>>17034336
Please be joking.
Look up Whitewater.
Hillary Rodham has been having people die for her since before she was a Clinton. Corruption is her game, and more Americans have died to protect the Bush/Clinton dynasty than in OIF.
Every option is bad this election. Only hope was Paul Ryan but he refuses to do it. Democrats need someone who isn't a socialist and isn't the devil incarnate (Hillary). Ted is a piece of shit. Trump might be the least bad but I'm not voting for him, I'd rather abstain.
Country is fucked either way, but there's no place left to go.
>>17034390
>>17034393
Clinton just lucked out to be in office right after the cold war ended so we were able to dismantle most of the expensive military budget.
He also happened to be lucky enough to be in office when the dot-com boom of the mid/late 90s happened. Nothing he did caused these. It was right place, right time, and he looks better because of it.
>>17034521
>>17034537
Ok, I'll take the bait.
America's population is much larger and much more diverse.
Socialism works when you have more people paying into it, and everyone is mentally nationalist and unified.
It does not work when we have places like Chicago/Detroit/Philadelphia which are infinite black holes of money where no matter how much cash you pour in, the results don't get there.
Scandanavia's educational system us nowhere near as corrupt as ours either. Same reason it works in, say, Montreal.
For numbers, my city has about 30,000 students and the budget for the school district is over 170 million.
Montreal has 1.6 billion dollars for 1.1 million students.
We have so much waste and ineffectiveness that the drain on society is too much. It's very difficult to pull certain people up, especially when it drags down the ones trying to hold them up.
>>17034626
We'd just borrow another few trillion from the chinese.
What is with all of this hate for Sanders? He's the ONLY CANDIDATE who has:
>said the same thing for 20 years
>fights for the little guy
>fights against corporate greed
>fights against laws that don't make sense for the people
The man flies coach for christ's sake.
But please, keep voting for the same people who gutted our economy, voted to send jobs overseas so corporations could make record profits, voted to waste our Citizens lives and BANKRUPT THE COUNTRY on a useless war in Iraq, etc. etc. etc.
How anyone could NOT vote for Sanders is beyond me. You guys remember that we have a Congress right and that the Republican Congress won't let Sanders go full retard on healthcare and college riiiiight?
>>17036770
>Vote for Sanders because has been saying the same retarded shit for two decades!
>Vote for Sanders because he will never be able to do the retarded things he says will do!
>>17036773
>Vote for Sanders because has been saying the same retarded shit for two decades!
Citation needed. Sanders said NAFTA and free trade were bad for the amerian worker.
LO AND BEHOLD he was right.
You some kinda stupid?
>>17036770
>said the same thing for 20 years
So, hasn't gotten anything done for 20 years?
>>17036778
>Sanders said NAFTA and free trade were bad for the amerian worker.
Citation needed.
>>17036778
I'm only paraphrasing what the other guy said to show how stupid he is.
But to answer your question, I am spending time on 4chan. So, yes, I am some kind of stupid.
>>17034615
>>17034544
Nigger you serious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI
All Hillary cares about is more money for the Clinton Foundation. She does not give a single FUCK about the well-being of the US or Americans.
>>17036721
>Only hope was Paul Ryan but he refuses to do it.
i hope you're joking
I vote Boogie for president, becuase let's face it, now anyone can be president!
