I don't think you're using the word "scam" correctly.

It's called work for a reason. How many retards have you watched "follow their dreams" straight into poverty

>>17014904
I don't know any other word for "an elaborate arrangement with the deliberate goal to bullshit people for profit".

I've been a NEET for 5+ years and my biggest dream is to have a successful career. I'd do anything to be able to work in an interesting field.

>>17014911
you are not forced to work but unless you are rich have fun following your "dream"

>>17014913
Do you actually have a career in mind or is that just a vague general need to feel useful?

Because if you look at it hard enough, you'll find that you don't actually want any of the options available, you just want to stop feeling bad about being unemployed.

>>17014896
I think you're just really lazy

Do you ever feel really bored or tired? Or like, "what's the point"//"I feel worthless"?
Anything even kinda like that? A lot of people feel like that, and work is a way for them to set goals for themselves. To a lot of people, contributing to something makes them feel fulfilled/worthwhile.

Do you like exercising? It's kind of similar. Like WHILE you're doing t you might not necessarily be "enjoying" it, but afterwards you feel proud and strong.

On the outer hand, there's plenty of people who feel the way you do. They work so that they can enjoy the things that they like to enjoy, like taking baths, going on vacation, shopping, etc.

I really do want my "dream job" and I'm lucky enough that it's not a ticket to poverty.

However, I work in my favorite field already, and it's not like I LOVE going to work. I just know from experience that if I don't, I totally stagnate and squander my time in ways I don't if I have the inertia from working.

>>17014896
>Does anyone ever actually WANT to work or is that a scam?

You've probably heard that centuries ago humans worked 8-10 hours a day, and for some reason even though we are massively more productive we still work 8-10 hours a day.

The simple reason is material standards of living are much higher.

You can buy a tent, sleeping bag, move to a temperate southern state, camp out in a state park and enjoy a caveman standard of living while only working 6-7 hours a week to get enough food to survive and buy the occasional set of replacement clothes.

If you want things like video games, air conditioning, clean laundry, showers, and a girl that wants to fuck you, you will have to dig in a little longer and work a job to get those material comforts.

>>17014921
What counts as rich? My dad conveniently died in the brief strip between the moment he fell into some money and before he could drink it all off, so I have a bit in a savings account.

My sister, however, has been not working (and refusing to do as little as go to the unemployment office to get on the dole) for the past four years and she has blown off her half of it in the past four years.

How do I make 60 000 euros last for 60 years?

>>17014922
I'd love to have a job in social sciences; preferably something that had to do with religious studies, but I'd also be able to be content being, for example, an interpreter or archaeologist. Or a programmer or dietician. And I've decided if all else fails, I'll become a librarian.

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>>17014896
Med student here. That should be enough of an explanation.

frankly though OP, you sound like a lazy fuck. Seriously, isn't there ANYTHING productive you like doing? Do you just sit and masturbate? Even if my main plan disappeared for some reason, i'd just go with one of my hobbies, like drawing or programming. Maybe make vidya. Got no hobbies?

Seriously, no matter how much of a freak you are (eg let's say you love furry porn) you can turn almost anything into a job nowadays with the help of the internet. Ever heard of patreon?

>>17014929
But what if working zaps the joy out of doing anything? Working 8 hours every day makes me tired and miserable for the other 16 too.

I can sit here trying to enjoy my time and all I can think is "what's the point? I'm just pretending I wouldn't have to go to work tomorrow". Getting drunk enough to not care on a daily basis would be too expensive and might kill me in unpleasant ways.

>>17014937
I live in a cold climate in eastern europe. Living in a tent might be possible for two or three months per year, but other than that, you have to live somewhere.

I don't know where the homeless people go every winter. They disappear when it gets cold and appear again when it's warm enough to last more than a few hours outside.

>>17014956
I like drawing, going to museums, getting drunk, blowing soap bubbles and I'm writing a book.

None of those are real grownup careers.

>>17014968
Is there anything that you enjoy?

Think back to when you were a kid. Did you ever think that learning was actually fun? When I was younger I had one of those little fact books and I spent all day reading it and telling random facts to strangers. I thought it was very fun learning new things until I got to school, where we had to learn certain things and then were tested on it. Basically the fun was sucked out of it.

The goal is to find a career that you have that child-like interest in, and don't let anyone suck the fun out.

Also it sounds like you'd benefit from learning how to live in the moment. By your logic, you must sit around all day and think "well I'm going to die eventually, what's the point of enjoying anything?"

Work hard play hard, my friend.
The harder you work, the more you'll enjoy the time that you have for yourself.

Last year was so amazingly busy that car rides- CAR RIDES- were my "me- time" just being able to sit down for 10 minutes and listen to some music on my way to work was so intensely enjoyable to me.

Your problem is that your standard/expectation is comfort/laziness. It's what you're used to, so any effort is "unpleasant"- and you're constantly unhappy because you're having to put effort in to things that you don't want to.

If you re-work your brain/motivation, you'll be working most of the time and that will be your new standard/expectation. It will be normal and not stressful to have a reasonable amont of work, and then of constantly being upset by surprise work- you'll be constantly delighted by surprise relaxation.
Instead of thinking
> "UGGHHH WORK... Ok I'm in my car now"
you'll think
> "Ok, work ... Yay!!! I get to hang out in my car now!"

>>17015005
I didn't like being a kid. I spent most of my childhood patiently waiting to grow up in hopes that being an adult would not suck. I was wrong.

"Work hard play hard" killed my father and that's why mom won't let me drink as much as I would like. I should be looking to buy my own car so I can move out and go to work on my own but I'm getting nothing done about it.

When I'm unemployed, all I want to do is work. Right now I can't realistically hold a job, and it's killing me. I'm so bored. When I'm working, all I want to do is chill out at home and play videogames.

Ideally, I'd love to have a job where the hours aren't too grueling, and I have limited interaction with other people. Something in a lab might be nice. Having weekends off would be pretty cool.

>>17015014
You sound like a downer and a lazy downer at that.

Perk up and find some motivation or accept being a failure

>>17014909
Their dreams were likely pointless and egocentric, that's why they failed.

If their dreams were to contribute to society instead of becoming a celebrity or whatever then maybe things would have worked out.

>>17015033
How the fuck does one "perk up"? My mom is like that. Every time you try to talk to her it's "well life is like that! :)) think positive!! :) existence is inherently suffering and there is nothing in our mortal power that can be done about it! :)))"

And somehow this peppy upbeat careerwoman managed to produce two downer children who would literally rather die than work for a living.

>>17015062
It's an outlook thing.
I know this sounds crazy but literally by changing your view on it, you can completely change the way you experience life.
Lots of people thing that in order to achieve happiness they need to work really hard or achieve some big goal or whatever.
That's not it- it's literally a point of view thing. You're the only thing standing in your way. I went to Africa a couple of years ago and those malnourished flea ridden kids were some of the happiest people I've ever met. Despite all the death and suffering around them, they had a really positive outlook, so they were happy.

I don't know how to make you have that outlook OP, but you should work on finding it.

My best friend is a cameraman and he loves his job. He travels all over the world to film animals and gets good money for it.

I hate my job though.

>>17015212
I am trapped on an useless muddy spitball of a planet in a flesh prison that will never be anything beyond inadequate and sometimes not in pain, having to work and pay money for existing because due to some arbitrary archaic ideas of morality it is not acceptable to euthanise me.

Life is pain. It also has no goal or inherent purpose. They're keeping me here and making me suffer for literally no reason.

How the fuck do you look at that happily?

I absolutely love my job. It puts together two things that have always been important to me. It helps that I have great coworkers.

>>17015337
What do you do for a living?

>>17015286
I don't want to help you because you don't want to help yourself.

Do you have any idea how much of an edgy, ungrateful brat you sound?
That's like if someone gives you a gift for your birthday and you come back with "do you even care about me?? You're just doing this because you've been socially pressured to show whatever ounce of "appreciation" you have for me today. If you cared about me, you'd treat me like this every day, but just when it's socially acceptable too. And who even cares about birthdays? Whoopdedoo, I'm another year closer to death! That's what you're really celebrating right? We've made progress- anon's closer to death!! Hooray!! I bet you didn't even put any thought into this present. You probably just wrote down some bullshit on a card and got me some chachki shit you found in some garage sale. What a fucking joke. Life is a joke. Why do we even have birthdays- who gives a shit?"

Like t's not that complicated- people who love you are gonna express that love by giving you a gift on the day that you started existing. That's all. It's a happy thing. When you read into shit so far that you begin to delude the meaning of the day with your own nihilistic bullshit and make false assumptions about people's motives- you've become too much of a pessimist. Your ATTITUDE and OUTLOOK need to be adjusted.

The fact that intellegent, well rounded people CAN look at existence in a positive light means that you're missing something. It's not that you've found out some secret that they have yet to learn- it's the opposite. You've not become emotionally/spiritually mature enough yet. You're looking at things with a logical, but lazy mindset. But logic isn't the only path to reaching understanding. Wisdom is the balance of mental strength and spiritual/emotional strength. You need to work on the emotional side of yourself.

>>17014896
I thoroughly enjoy working. Doesn't really matter where, and I've had all sorts of jobs, and i enjoyed them all.

There are times at my current job where i have nothing to do, so i sit on my computer and read webcomics or wiki pages, and every time, i wish i had more work to do.

I was a neet for years, and i was a miserable wreck. I only ever did what i wanted, even had a gf at times, and i still hated life, felt useless, and wanted to die.

I love my weekends, and i love going back to work on Monday. Fuck, my life is good. It isn't all magic all the time, but in general i live on a higher emotional level than i ever did when mummy was giving me money, i had no job, got laid, and did whatever i wanted at any time on any day.

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Men need to work to feel productive- being productive is an instinctual desire that we all (are supposed to) share.

If you have a real career, as you advance, you spend less time doing the things that brought you into it in the first place. I'm not wild about my job as I was on day one, but I enjoy it and it's meaningful to me, a point of pride (I'm captain of an oil tanker) I can take in my ability to do something that many can not.
We each need to feel fulfilled. Pulling your pud in your parents' basement isn't going to be fulfilling forever, OP. Eventually you're going to want more, and to have more, you need to earn it.
I look forward to work most days, and some days I have to push a bit to get moving. But I like money and stuff, a lot, and the security and good times it helps provide, and there's no better way for me to earn a lot of it than by doing what I do best, my job.

>>17015456
I don't shit on my loved ones to express my unhappiness over general existence. That's my sister's job.

I don't think I'm smart for aknowledging that 80 years of pointless unhappiness is a bad thing. I'd like to stop, but when the sky's been blue for 22 years, that's a hard thing to change.

>>17015518
What have you done to become like that?

>>17015546
I'm too stupid for a real career. I do a factory job that a robot could do because for the time being, it's cheaper for the corporation to pay me money than get the robot.

I stack pallets and daydream about getting run over by a forklift.

>>17015684
God you sound like such a melodramatic cunt.
i hope you get your shit together because right now you're buying in to your own delusional crap.
Good luck man. If you're gonna make a thread on this board, you should actually be open to some advice/help

>>17015696
I haven't gotten any.

"Think happy thoughts!! :)))" isn't advice.

>>17015705
Change your mindset is advice.
If you want to learn how, you need to go to a trained professional (therapist or psychologist) so that they can help you develop personalized coping mechanisms that work specifically for you.

>>17015014

>I need my moms permission to drink
>X killed my dad
>The reason my life sucks is 100% external factors, I'm blameless in all and life sucks because it just does

Grow up.

>>17015713
What do you want me to tell them? I'm already being sent to a shrink because apparently cutting stops being an acceptable method of anxiety control once you turn 18.

>>17015718
>life is inherently unpleasant
>things that make life pleasant also shorten it
>the person who owns the car I use to drive to work does not aknowledge the concept of quality of life, and prefers quantity
>I do accordingly because I have some fucking manners

I don't understand what your point is, going out of your way to misunderstand what I say.

>>17014896
I was like you once. I remained like that until i was 25. I never knew what I wanted to do for a living, but i knew i wasn't cut out for "normal" jobs (cubicles, formal attire, 0800-1600 work days). When I was 25 i landed a job in offshore seismic survey (oil and gas exploration) which took me all over the world, 12 hour shifts, every day, 5 weeks straight (followed by 5 weeks of paid vacation) and i really liked it. I realized that i didn't have to hold a normal job if i didn't want to. I left after 4 years when it was time to settle down (my firstborn was on his way) and since then I've been working as a field service engineer for maritime instrumentation. Today i can honestly say that I like my job.

As for career choice, I never really chose this, i just happened to stumble across something i had the aptitude and interest for. I still half-jokingly say that i don't know what i wanna be when i grow up (i'm 33), but i know that if the job involves a healthy mix of technology, it, freedom, and independence, and "unusual" scenarios, then i might be interested.

> tfw i still consider myself an IT guy, as i used to do software dev.

>>17015741

>life is inherently unpleasant
No, it isnt. It's unpleasant to you because you have no freedom and no disposable income. You're at an age where you should but since you live with your parents and have no freedom it make you depressed.

>things that make life pleasant also shorten it
Again no, you sound like a stoner fag now. "The only way to have a good time is to not be sober!"

All your other points are just NEET-tears. If you got financial freedom from your mom and eventually your own place your outlook on life would change anon.

>>17015747
How does someone land a job like that?

It's 2016. People with degrees in marine biology are getting re-educated as daycare workers because nobody's hiring.

>>17015760
I'm making 1700 euros per month on base grounds, 2000 with the bonuses. I'm not a NEET, I go to work every day and fucking hate my life doing it.

>>17015770

>thinks 2000 is a lot
You make barely over the poverty line in America. Poverty and anything around that level is pretty shit tier. You also live with a family you don't like. Move out if you feel confident in your wages

>>17015762
I stumbled across a job add on monster.com. This was back in 2008, so i don't know if that site still serves the same purpose.

I never finished hischool myself, but i've always had an interest in technology (computers and RF communications, for example), and being willing to start from scratch and learn, stay focused, then get good at it, was how i ended up as chief technician on my crew.

I guess you could say that it's been a combination of luck, timing, and dedication. I've always made sure to leave a job on good terms. Without a degree, good references is what i use when applying for a job.

>>17015741
Why do you keep misunderstanding what I'm saying as an excuse to spout out some edgy faggot bullshit.

I like working. I'm proud of the fruits of my labor and that I can do stuff better than others. I bring order to the endeavors in which I'm involved. My effort stands in the way of others fucking things up chaotically. I should lead a Greymarch.

>>17015794
I'm not saying my job isn't shit and my wage isn't shit tier. What I'm saying is that I HAVE a job.

Nobody can afford to move on their own these days. I'd have to get a roommate and I'd rather live with people I know don't steal from me.

>>17015799
I did graduate an university-preparatory high school. Unfortunately unlike you I have neither passion nor any capability to learn, and I was too stupid to pass the entrance exams to any university I applied for.

>>17015808
How about you just tell me what your point is or shut the fuck up?

>>17015830

Dude you obviously hate your parents. If someone was ripping your nails off with pliers and then opened the door to the outside world and said you can go if you want to would you just go "ehhh I dunno, It's kinda scary looking otu there. I feel better about ripping my nails off in here, at least I know what will happen."

If you don't want to even attempt to change anything you dislike about your life why are you surprised that you're depressed and hate everything?

>>17015852
I don't hate my parents. My dad is dead, my sister is tolerable when she is in a good mood, and my mother refuses to aknowledge that both of her kids are fucked up, but they're not abusive to me.

I know I should be looking for a flat and a car but then my entire wages will be blown to maintaining them and I'll be even more trapped.

How do you start to change anything when nothing has changed no matter how hard you've tried for the past 20 years?

>>17015885

That's the thing anon, you haven't truly tried to change them. You've gotten a job yes, but you still live in the same house. You don't like your family, your mom has a large degree of control over you and you've lived that way your entire life. Of course it's going to be shitty and you'll feel like you can't escape. Start looking at cheap used cars in your area, having your own vehicle that you can drive in and choose where and when you go will be a massive improvement over what you currently have.

>>17015830
The point is go kill yourself already.
You're a hopeless idiot if you can't tell what the point is after I explicitly outlined it for you like a dozen times

>>17015904
I got tired and gave up trying years ago. If you electrocute a dog enough times so it knows nothing in its power will make the pain stop, it gives up trying. I don't know why they experimented that in the first place but it's called learned helplesness. I don't know how to make it stop.

How do I know they won't scam me about the car? I don't know anything about cars, and I don't want to be the sucker who buts 45e worth of scrap metal for 4000 and has to pay to take it to a junk yard when it doesn't start the next day.

>>17014896
>Does anyone ever actually WANT to work or is that a scam?
I think people understand that they *HAVE TO WORK* as part of being alive. Some (rare) people actively get up in the morning and want to go do their jobs, but the vast majority of us hope to wake up in the morning and just plain be grateful that we're working OUR jobs instead of other jobs that could be infinitely shittier.
>I refuse to believe
Stop being dramatic :-). Some people do have dream jobs. You should always be gunning for your dream job. You might have no idea what it is, but you should always be thinking about what YOU want, what YOU want to do in this life. You only get one life my friend... even if life gives you the shit stick, why not always try for what you want?

I currently work in a job that I used to despise. I hate my job because it's so out of wack with my natural skills and aptitudes. However, I am grateful for my job because it has taught me a new skill that I might be able to use in the future.... life is funny that way. You often don't know why things are important until the important moment has come and gone and you're like "Thank fucking god I went through [insert shitty thing here] because I never would have made it through what just happened."

>>17015973
How do you get a cool and interesting job when you're stupid and don't have any skills or interests?

>I've considered crippling myself permanently in order to achieve this.

No need. You seem mentally retarded already.

>>17015985
If you think stupid people don't work, you probably don't go out much.

I absolutely would love to work, but I currently can't work due to severe depression, so instead I make money by writing erotic fiction for creepy people.

>right now I'm writing about wombles
>My commissioner thinks they're sexy. Really.
>But he paid me $55, so it works out in the end.

>>17016041
How much does that pay exactly? And who the hell pays for it lel?

>>17015983
You make up your own and figure out how to get paid for it.

You don't have to be smart to be successful; you just have to be right.

>>17016046
It pays 2¢ a word; my average commission is about 3,000 words (6 pages), or $60.

As for who pays for it -- mostly furries, but also the occasional really creepy fetishist.

To this date, I've never written about sex. My amazon.com ebook debut is going to be the first time I've ever done that. It's a lot harder than fetish fiction, I think, because you can't just write "he thrusted.... she thrusted...", whereas writing fetish stuff is really very easy.

It doesn't pay nearly as much as a real job (I have about $100 in my bank account right now), but I can't work due to how I'm getting ECT and my family only has one car, so this is what I've been doing instead.

>>17016058
>You make up your own
So... Hustling?

>>17016058
How do I get paid for getting drunk and blowing soap bubbles?

I can't just call a publisher and ask them to pay my rent until I can get a book finished.

>>17015794
if youre poor in america you have ac, cell phone, cable tv, and a car, as well as a roof over your head, that is more wealthy than the majority of mexico

>>17015925
>I got tired and gave up trying years ago.
then fuck you faggot
>how do i know they wont scam me?
by doing research, stop looking for a new mommy to hold your hand and just get out there and do it

>>17016063
>I can't work due to how I'm getting ECT
you fucking faggot you dont need that shit, stop catering to creeps and get a real jorb

>>17014896
I don't know if it's more instinctual or cultural but most people want to contribute to society in some way, be it through a job or volunteer work or by being a good parent or something else. Related to that, most people want a purpose, a raison d'etre, and some find that in their work.

Aside from that, and often going along with it but probably just as often or more often the main driver for working, most people also want one of two things:

Firstly they want to create something-- a work of art, or a new device, or even just a bunch of identical widgets that will nevertheless be used in more places you could ever go, possibly for longer than you'll be alive, but that are there because of you.

Secondly they might want to provide something, usually either the ability to do something or peace of mind. They might want to provide medical care so people can live their lives, or help people through their mental issues with psychiatry, or give them peace of mind through religious counseling, or fix things so people can do what they do, they might even want to help people find jobs so they can have all the benefits a job brings.

Also apart from the other reasons, and again often showing up alongside them but often appearing on its own or as the biggest driver, many people want a challenge. The right job can provide a lifetime of fulfilling challenges, even if the work itself is unsavory or monotonous a lot of the time.

Some people want status and acclaim and respect; a good job can give that.

Lastly, some people really do just love what they do, whether or not it gives a challenge or sense of accomplishment, and they still love it even when it's their job.

Even if it was a scam, would you really want to reveal it? Jobs keep the world running, and running on something other than slave labor and robots, which I think is a pretty noble and useful goal.

Personally I want to go into programming. I enjoy it, it's challenging, it pays well, and people respect it.

>>17014974
drawing and writing are grown-up enough, but it's very hard to turn drawing into a career and nearly impossible to do the same with writing books, and really hard to do with writing other things

>>17014968
>But what if working zaps the joy out of doing anything?
It really really shouldn't. Is there anything else that does that, or did that, maybe school? That'll probably tell you where the problem is.
I used to have that with school and I assumed it would also apply to work and for a while it would have. What I didn't like wasn't so much the effort or loss of "me time", it was putting effort into something just so I'd have a piece of paper that said I wasn't a total failure, and it was also the obligation. The obligation thing was much harder to get over (I still don't like when people tell me what to do), but I've dealt with it.

what do I do if I have a comfy well paying job but its total bs and I literally do 1 hour of 'work' during the 8 hours I'm there because there is nothing to do

its suffering but at the same time I know I have it made

I don't mind working when I'm doing actual work that means something, but when I'm just fucking around on the internet all day I start to wonder what the point of it all even is what do I do if I have a comfy well paying job but its total bs and I literally do 1 hour of 'work' during the 8 hours I'm there because there is nothing to do

its suffering but at the same time I know I have it made

I don't mind working when I'm doing actual work that means something, but when I'm just fucking around on the internet all day I start to wonder what the point of it all even is

I miss my old manual labor 12 hr job, I actually went to bed feeling good after a hard days work

>>17016802
Uh, I had to get assessed by two psychiatrists before I could actually get ECT, and the process took two years. I'm pretty sure I need it because it was hard as shit to actually get it.

>>17015286
The things that matter most in this world are the kindness you give, and the kindness you receive.
Your outlook should make you see that better than most.

>>17017459
well fuck my bad then, d-did it "work"?

i was in your situation (if you are op) about a year ago, i just decided to look at what i could possibly do to survive and go for it, any job thats 10+ you should accept and just deal with it, once you are moving and working then you will start to see more options and from there you can find out what you really want to do

>>17015830
the point is stop believing it all sucks and is pointless
>but it is
SHUT THAT SHIT DOWN RIGHT NOW
that's how you move forward

there are hardcore nihilists that are happy and productive, but I don't know how they do it, and there don't seem to be very many of them-- if you insist on this mindset you should find one and ask them to you tell how they get through life, in detail

I think a few people who are lucky enough to have really interesting jobs like it.

HOWEVER, I recently read a book that described it quite well. The millionaire author said that he loves going to work, but once he started reflecting on it, he came to the realisation that it wasn't that he was always passionate and that's why he made it big time. On the contrary, he only BECAME passionate when he realised he was on the path to making it big. So I think it's a cycle of reaffirmation: you make yourself do it, you start being successful, you equate work with success, and then you start liking work. Exactly like exercise for most people.

>>17014896
>Does anyone ever actually WANT to work
I do, I love my job, but I've never had any jobs that were unrelated to my interests so maybe I got lucky. I was a volunteer and eventually got brought on as staff, I literally get paid to do things I'm passionate about and used to do for free anyway with people that have become awesome friends that I have fun working with. can't find a downside m8

>That is literally my only dream and goal in life, to wake up whenever I feel like it in the morning or afternoon and spend the entire day not contributing to society
if I may ask, how old are you? I thought this way until I was 18 and stopped being an apathetic angsty lil shit. and got my depression treated

>I refuse to believe people actually have dream jobs, having work you would genuinely prefer doing to not doing anything
>the way I feel means everyone else feels the same way
really?

>Nobody grows up daydreaming about the day they'll finally get stabbed in the eye with a knitting needle
what the fuck are you even saying? even if it is someone's dream job, nothing can be 100% perfect, but that's just how life is. if you can't accept that, you should probably kill yourself now because you're in for a harsh reality check when you move out of your parents place, kiddo

>So am I wrong
yes

this whole thread screams autism

>>17015390
I'm a groomer

>>17015034
>If their dreams were to contribute to society instead of becoming a celebrity or whatever then maybe things would have worked out.

The only way you can contribute to a society is through economic output, you dense retard.

>>17014943
>60000 euros
>60 years

Hahahahahaha. Well, maybe you could try to move to SE Asia and live like a poorfag. Maybe that money would let you live a decent life in some shitty remote village in Cambodia or Vietnam.

Of course it's a scam. You were meant to live in mommy's basement while she feeds you tendies and fap to chinese cartoons. Perfectly sustainable for the rest of your life.