Smart people can be insecure about their intelligence. Dumb people can be insecure about their intelligence. Insecurities can be based on real or imagined faults. If you ccouldn't sort that out, you're probably on the dumber side. Sorry.

>>16975111
First part of this. Being insecure about something is related to personality, and the trait doesn't really matter much.

>>16975111
I disagree, most dumb people are not that introspective, I believe it requires a certain amount of intelligence to see how others see you.

If you are insecure about something it is more likely inexperience vs unintelligence

>>16975136
I'd suggest that they're less introspective, but I've never met someone so dumb that they can't tell how others perceive them (unless they're literally retarded). That sort of thing is conveyed sufficiently by social interaction, and requires little intelligence.

But beyond that, even dumb people will wonder whether they are dumb. Particularly when they encounter people who appear intelligent.

>>16975147
I think people that are dumb, and are smart enough to realize it and accept it
(Forrest Gump types) don't really worry about it, as long as they have a roof, food, TV, porn, drugs & alcohol.

I think that many of the lower class / working poor fit into this category.

I work in health care, & I am no genius, but the amout of stupid I see on a regular basis, never ceases to amaze me.

>>16975136
So you think all dumb people are totally clueless to the fact that they're not the most intelligent? Even at an IQ of 75, people can be self-aware, I knew a kid in highschool who's IQ was tested to be 78 and he knew he wasn't that smart because people would figure stuff out faster than him and he studied very hard but didn't do that well in school. He had not seen the score himself; I saw it after breaking into student files
There are social markers of it, and tangible indications as well (grades, teacher reports, experiences having difficulty mastering material and learning new tasks). Conversely, there are also a lot of people who are highly intelligent (130+) who are totally fucking devoid of self-awareness and common sense. Self-awareness can be largely influenced by abuse, how you're raised, etc. Intelligence and self-awareness aren't entirely co-related. Though more intelligent people are more likely to be self-aware in general because their intelligence can (but doesnt necessarily) lead to insight.

>>16975136
>it is more likely inexperience vs unintelligence
I'm not sure what you mean by that. Inexperience?

>>16975086
I don't think they're necessarily connected.

I'm in my 30s and I'm only now starting to get over the imposter fear. I've known I was smart since I was a little kid, I have the IQ scores to back it up empirically, I have the respect and achievement to back it up professionally, but most of my life I've been terrified that people will figure out I'm an idiot. Thats not so much a factor of me being smart as its a factor of me growing up working class and knowing that I don't fit, culturally, with virtually anybody who has my level of education.

We all have our character deficiencies. Roll with them and improve where you can.

>>16975228
Even Forrest Gump knew he wasn't smart. It's hinted at at the end of the movie when he tries to ask Jenny if his kid is normal.

I reiterate that many are not incredibly introspective, but that doesn't mean they're entirely oblivious. Even a stupid human is smart enough to notice that someone finishes problems much faster than them and connect the dots.

I think everyone in this thread is insecure and unintelligent.
>inb4 that includes yourself
Ok.

>>16975086
Here's the thing with psychology and personality...

You can generalise. You can say "most ---- are ---" and have data and proof to show it.

But no one follows every rule. There is no such thing as average Joe. You are in no category.

Intelligent people are secure or insecure.

Some feel like an elite. Some feel misunderstood and alone. Some feel totally indifferent.

But most of all: intelligent people are flawed, wrong, petty and idiotic about many things.
You are confused because you are over thinking.

Forget "intelligent not intelligent". Move on with your life.

>>16975086
As a self-described smart person, I would say that I experience some insecurity about my intelligence in that I want people to know that I'm smart.

Insecurity is not a sign of stupidity or intelligence, although dumb people can often be less insecure simply because of their general obliviousness.

>>16975315
If he's an intelligent person he can't over think. Over thinking is only encountered by dumb people, like a badly built engine that overheats easily.

>>16975353
Overthinking isn't analogous to overheating, dipshit. Overthinking is when you continue thinking about something and attribute undue meaning to it because you've thought of all these things it "could mean." It's overthought because there was nothing further to think about and you did it anyway, not because you mentally exhausted yourself.

>>16975387
Thanks. I tried to say this. Made it too complex and had to delete it.

>>16975393
lel

I don't know how to quite explain this, but I feel like insecurity about your intelligence is a social stupidity. It's a waste of time, and it's not really acknowledging your lack in abilities. The insecurity often accompanies reckless or shitty behavior, trying to cover it up, talk over something, or redirect the conversation to something you know more about. It can definitely be stupidity.

Controlled insecurity isn't stupidity. "I feel a little foolish that I don't know about this," is not stupid whereas, "Who cares about that, no one care about that. Listen, I know all about this other thing..." etc. is stupid. So it boils down to how you deal with it, right? If you deal with it stupidly, then you're stupid. If you act like an adult that acknowledges it and works with or around it, then you're not stupid.

You're a GOAT smart person if you're like, "I don't know about that, please explain," and then you absorb the information and do some research and figure that out. You don't even admit you don't know just to admit you don't know. Instead you preface your search for new knowledge by pointing out what you don't know, and then going on to understand it. That's a smart person. That's a very, very smart person.

>>16975234
I kinda meant some along the lines of when a stupid person does something stupid, then it was inevitable.

However sometimes intelligent people make poor decisions due to inexperience in some situations. They end up having a negative result, but the person can still be intelligent.

Sometimes second guessing a decision or indecisiveness can be the result of an intelligent person not being confident in a decision due to inexperience specifically.
I would even suggest indecisiveness is sometimes the result of not enough information for an intelligent person to make a right or otherwise correct decision.

Whereas they is very little more terrifying than a confident idiot, seriously

>>16975315
>>16975387
this

OP, I feel the same way. I always excelled in school, was accepted into gifted programs, and graduated with honors. I never went to college though because my father passed away during my senior year so I started using drugs to numb the pain. I have been physically/emotionally abused all my life to boot.
Now here I am working a shitty minimum wage job, and drinking myself to sleep every night. At least I cut out the drugs?
Honestly I'm afraid to go back to school. I'm certainly not as sharp as I once was; I am SO painfully aware of that. I fear I've made myself flat out dumb

It feels incredible to finally type that out and get it off my chest.