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Im male, and i like to think im good with the back and forth of flirting, however i dont know how to respond to a woman when out of the blue she says, "you know, i can put my legs behind my head"
This happened to me with yesterday when I was just playfully flirting with an acquaintance. I couldnt think of a response to it, so i just kissed her, and now I have a date this weekend.
So what is the proper thing to say when someone randomly says that?
>>16546229
>"oh? You should show me sometime "
>" what else can you do?"
All with a flirty smile
Does the guy text first?
men, would you do bdsm stuff to your woman because she likes it, even though you're not as into it as she is?
>>16546229
"Prove it"
>>16546229
"bectha can't do it with a cock inside you"
>>16546281
Anyone can text first. If you want to text them, text them.
>>16546284
Uhh... sure... I'd be willing to give it a shot I guess. It wasn't really at all my thing before, but I've learned how to be pretty rough for my girlfriend. Truth is, I still prefer it and come hardest when we're super sensual and slow (even once had a full body orgasm from it), but I get rough with her because I know she likes it way more, and that gives me a different sense of satisfaction and pleasure. If she only ever wanted fast, hard, and rough though, I think I'd have gotten bored a long time ago and I definitely wouldn't enjoy the sex anywhere near as much as I do.
TL;DR: It's give a little to get a little. Reciprocity and compromise is what makes relationships work. If you want him to do your kinky shit, you better be prepared to do what he wants from time to time too.
My gf often doesn't cum at the same moment as I do.
Therefore often, after I cum, I have to finger her until she reaches an orgasm.
Is this normal?
>>16546335
yup
I've been on a few dates with this girl. She's been very busy so I haven't seen her as often as I'd like lately, but I saw her today. It's about three weeks since saw her before that, and then we ended the date with our first kiss. Not like some kiss-on-the-cheek type stuff, we made out in her car for a good minute. But after our date today she didn't want to kiss at all. Does it necessarily mean anything, or am I just overanalyzing it?
hey girls, if I proposed her to go out on a date and told her to tell me when she's free (her agenda is a mess since she works in three different towns) how much time should I wait before realizing she doesn't give two shits about me?
She replied with a simile with a kiss and some sort of joke I don't remember.
I'm really in love with her but the whole thing is no more in my hands. Guess I won't text her again until she replies with a day or the thing dies out.
Damn, it's painful
>>16546335
Yup.
Even with my girlfriend, through countless hours of sex and orgasms (average session is like an hour and a half+, and she cums at least two or three times), I think I've cum at the same time as her exactly once.
And that's exactly once with a girl who is one of the rare girls who CAN orgasm from pure penetration and orgasms frequently (the majority can not).
>>16546335
Perfectly normal.
Sex isn't like they portray it in the movies at all. Same goes for these singers crooning about making love all night it just doesn't apply in the real world.
You're making your girl cum one way or the other you should be happy with that and not worry if it's normal anon
A question for the girls (but also for the guys) here:
Imagine you telling somebody that you're not looking for something serious right now, within the following context:
> both people recently out of long-term relationships
> both people going to graduate, but likely continuing at the same place
> same age
> similar surroundings
Also, you've both slept together and want to keep doing that for the time being.
What time-frame would you expect the current situation to last?
>>16546229
Seems that your strategy worked quite well there.
Maybe she just wanted you to get a bit closer.
>>16546411
Until one of you meets someone they actually want to be serious with.
To guys:
My bf does this thing where when we're on the couch watching tv or chilling or something, he often has his hand inside his pants and plays with his dick or his balls or whatever. Not jerking off, just playing with them or something I think it's very weird and also a bit gross.
Is that normal behavior for guys?
>>16546420
totally. i do it all the time
>>16546420
Not too unusual, but can be easily stopped by you telling him that you don't like it.
(Maybe combined with an occasional BJ as compensation)
>>16546341
>>16546373
>>16546393
thanks !
I just turned 18 and I'm very new to this whole sex thing
>>16546420
No and that made me laugh
He's probably trying to masturbate near his gf or something. What the fuck
right after I cum I find my gf really ugly.
She's normally hot but if she is sweaty, doing silly faces and I just blew my load, I lose any attraction to her
>>16546420
I think there's a legit term for this particular behavioral tick, and it's not limited to guys... (there are girls who will idly play with their nipples/breasts too).
Blah, I'm having a serious moment of presque vu...
Whatever.
It's not at all the norm, and it IS legit weird, but it isn't unheard of it.
should I let go when their lips turn blue or before?
>>16546440
Then don't marry her.
>>16546440
Isn't that something natural?
Like when you close those countless tabs of porn after a long session and being disgusted with yourself?
>>16546451
I love her personality though
>>16546457
Stick with her, the longer you're together, the more you'll start to appreciate her, or you'll get so fed up with her (or she does the same with you) that you break up.
>>16546446
Before.
Immediately let go if they stop moving, pat you to let go or eyelashes start to flicker.
>>16546456
Er... No... Those two things in no way should be similar... If they are, you need to reassess a lot of shit and probably get some help.
>>16546420
Maybe he's just rearranging them.
>>16546456
maybe it is....
i'm not sure
>>16546446
Jeanny, quit living on dreams
Jeanny, life is not what it seems
such a lonely little girl in a cold cold world
there's someone who needs you
Jeanny, quit living on dreams
Jeanny, life is not what it seems
You're lost in the night, don't wanna struggle and fight
There's someone who needs you
>>16546420
I do it all the time. I often pinch the ballsack and rub between the index and thumb to get a good itch in too.
>>16546462
Okay, bad example, let's start over with feeling bad at the thought of any food after stuffing yourself.
Or maybe I really need to reassess my personality.
The balls thing again. Thanks for the replies.
I like to have my hand between my legs, too. It's comforting and warm and feels nice in a non sexual way. But I only do it when I'm wlone, I would never consider it when my bf is around.
So I guess I was wondering, maybe it shows he feels comfortable or something, when he just sits there, his genitals cupped in his hands. Or maybe it's something else entirely and I don't get it because I don't have a penis. I told him I think it's weird, he just tells me to think nothing of it.
So guys, have you dated any girls significantly younger than you, and how did it work out?
I've been crushing hard on a dude who's nearly 11 years older than I (I'm 19, he's 30). Did not think he'd ever notice me, but apparently, he did. I'm honestly head over heels, 4 years since I was in love for the first and only time... But I'm also a bit worried about the big age difference. Do you have any advice about this, guys who've dated younger girls?
me and my bf want to try anal for the first time, but ive never shaved down there. this may cause problems or not?
>>16546482
If he's only doing it when he's comfortable, then it's a very good sign.
Otherwise it'd be a bad sign.
>take girl on date last thursday
>goes well, we kiss at the end
>tell her I want to see her next wednesday
>seems like she really likes me
>we text or snap every day or two
>a little awk, but that's how it always is with someone new
>we're texting today
>back and forth, responding every few minutes with each other
>contact seems positive
>ask if she wants to meet up tomorrow at 7, basically confirming the date
>"have plans sorry"
>"No worries. Do you still want to do something later this week?"
>No response for over an hour.
What happened here? Did I wait too long for the second date? Is it that I didn't request her on FB? Did she just lose interest? If so, why did she keep talking to me? She should have known it would have moved in this direction, right?
I know you can't get inside her head, but it was my first date and first kiss so I have no idea what to look out for in the future.
Do women who think men are too big are scary?
Like 6'4 and up men who weigh several hundred pounds?
>>16546498
i like this answer best, i'll just take this one ^^
as far as i can tell, he does it when he's most comfortable. we've been together for 4 years and it's still going great. it's just something he couldn't really explain why he does it. and i just let him because if i think it's weird it's really my problem and not his.
>>16546440
That doesn't sound good. After I cum, I'm filled with an overwhelming sense of love for my gf and just want to lay there with her.
>>16546519
You should marry her.
>>16546372
halp?
>>16546544
Yes, try to stay away for a bit, otherwise you may appear clingy or naggy.
But you can still contact her about other stuff, maybe something funny you've seen in person or on the net.
With every guy I've dated there's a point (usually when we're just sitting in bed together) that they ask "what are you thinking about?" or "what's going on inside your head?".
I usually tell them that I'm not thinking about anything (just kind of experiencing the moment) and they look at me like it's the weirdest shit they've ever heard.
Why does every guy ask me this? What answer are they looking for???
>>16546544
Yeah, don't ask her again. I'd give it a couple of weeks and give up, If I wanted to go on a date with someone I wouldn't make them wait round for arranging something, id be sorting it.
>>16546553
ha, I want to know the answer to this too.
>>16546553
I have no fucking idea. I don't remember ever asking such a retarded question.
My advice is to respond with absurd answers in the future. "Butts." "Your mom." "A cheesesteak sandwich."
>>16546553
You should just make something up lovey dovey shat like they want to hear.
>>16546553
That's what I ask if I'm on a date with a girl, I feel related and I feel like it's time to get more intimate. If you think about it, it's an intimate question. They don't really expecting nothing if not you to open up a bit, and saying 'nothing' forces them to back down a bit
>>16546566
This is honestly the best advice I've ever gotten on this board.
>>16546572
Several grammar mistakes were introduced by my shitty iphone
>>16546577
On further consideration, maybe the sandwich isn't so absurd after all. Good sex is a workout. I bet your future lovers would react positively to the idea of getting some food.
>>16546553
I usually get this from the girl side though, but I'll keep an eye on the thread for good answers to remember.
> emphasising relationship (lovey dovey)
> comments about sexiness of partner
> plans for the immediate moments
> absurd answers
>>16546417
What if the one you want to be serious with is that person?
Guys and girls:
How much of your own stuff will you leave at the apartment of a casual partner?
>>16546553
You just have a pensive face probably.
I find myself asking my GF what's up a lot because she has a tendency to idly sigh (and I even know this, but the question just pops out before I even process it). I don't mean anything by it or expect a response back.
Similarly, I guess I have one of those faces because I get asked what I'm thinking a lot too. I usually say something totally absurd like, "Pineapples", "How many clouds would fit in a river, if it was made of marshmallows".
>>16546610
None of it. I'll leave a full outfit with a proper girlfriend though.
I know the mantra here seems to be "everyone has different preferences" but what is a girl who's as legitimately ugly as you can get without having a diagnosed deformity to do if she doesn't want to die a lonely old cat lady? Date a blind guy?
>>16546647
She's to do cosmetic surgery.
>>16546647
Dress better/work out/eat better/get help/etc until you yourself stop having such severe self-image issues (this is a legit problem in today's culture).
Develop a sense of humor and confidence.
Ball out and be someone people like to be around.
>>16546647
You can still work out and make your body sexy if your face is ugly. You could still try to be interesting and shit. You could lower your standards to same level of ugliness.
>>16546610
My ego and a few other things.
>>16546610
Left a condom once, she put it to her study folder, guess I got to check if it's still there now.
What is, in your opinion, the best way to find out if someone is single or not (without directly asking and without FB of course) ?
>>16546684
There is no way, other than asking them out, which could ever deserve an adjective like "best" or even "good."
>>16546684
Pretend they are until you know for sure.
It's their responsibility to be faithful to their loved one if applicable. Not yours, and the only time it becomes your responsibility is if they admit it and still want to go on. Then you're just as bad as them.
What's the etiquette with a decent friend/girl you've dated-ish a few times spending a night in the hospital? Should I offer to visit? Should I wait for them to ask and otherwise be supportive over the phone?
>>16546699
Is it for anything serious? If yes, go ahead and offer your support and visit. It shows that you care and are considerate.
On the flip side, it's totally weird and awkward feeling too have to ask someone to come visit you.
But If it's like she's getting her tonsils removed... maybe not as appropriate.
>>16546714
Yeah, it's probably nothing serious. Nothing threatening at least, and she visits the hospital all the time for all sorts of things.
It's the first time that I know of recently that they're actually taking her under, though
Girls, how self-conscious are you about your body language while talking to a man (like when twirling with your hair, opening your legs or undressing a little to expose some skin).
What I want to know is, how can I, as a guy, be assured that the girl I'm talking to is interested on/comfortable with me? (at least based on her body language)
I can pretty much know when I'm unwanted or when things are getting uncomfortable. But I find hard to discern if a girl is trying to make some advances/signals (even subconsciously) or if she is simply doing it without realizing it and without any underlying motive.
>>16546758
There's no universal key or guarantee to this shit. All the words in the world won't train you to read body language. You just gotta put yourself out there and experience it first hand.
The signs always unique to every individual, and every person displays them differently. The nuances always change so If you overthink it, you just end up misreading things. The only possible way for you to figure it out is by intuition gained through tons and tons of experience.
Put yourself out there more and in more diverse situations. Only way to learn.
Girls: This girl sporadically wants to hang out and seems into me, but also never texts. Like, a text from me will go unanswered a full day or two. Always. I can only think of like two instances when we have had a convo and it wasn't over like a few days time. Only conclusion I can draw is that she's just not into me that much? It's just strange because when we do hang out it goes well and she talks about how much fun it was and that she wants to get together again soon... Note: We haven't fucked, and have only hung out a few times
>>16546797
You are being kept as an orbiter/back up hence no need to respond fast (and it might even send the wrong signal) but just enough pull to keep you hooked.
That or she is living like it's 1700's and simply doesn't touch her phone more than once a day. If she has a smartphone and updates all of her stuff regularly trough out the day and fiddles with her phone when you see her then obviously you are just getting purposefully ignored.
>>16546819
Ah. I had a feeling she was trying to use me as a back up the other weekend... Do the back ups ever get a turn to fuck or should I stop talking to this chick again? (I decided to just never reply back to her since she was so slow, and she never initiated either until randomly a month later she was wanting to hang out). I'm just trying to fuck her, I don't want a relationship
>>16546420
Thats just something I do when Im comfortable. A lot of my friends do it and I've even seen strangers do it in public (dont do it public tho). I only do it at home when Im alone
>>16546785
It doesn't have to be the backup scenario. There are plenty of girls who don't run with the modern social media thing and minimize their phone use. My current girl's the same way: no social media accounts, no exquisite apps, nothing. She literally uses her phone just for business calls and only checks her texts once a day unless something serious is up.
But yeah, if she does have Facebook or whatever and updates that regularly from her phone, you're playing the backup game.
>>16546844
>Do the back ups ever get a turn to fuck
The short answer is no.
The long answer is that maybe but it's rare and takes unreasonably long time and high investment for the relationship before the pity fuck in her darkest moment.
If you are looking for sexual stuff better to just forget about her, a favor for both of you.
>>16546844
You're the backup orbiter when she's got nothing else to do. The second you're backup you might as well be a 10 year old kid who's got a crush on her. Like 'aww how adorable he thinks i'm cute' and she's not gonna fuck you
>>16546884
>>16546891
Well shit. Guess I'll play the hail mary card and add her on Snapchat and try to at least get some nudes to jerk off to. Ah well, guess I won't talk to her if I can't at least get that
Girls:
> Is the 3 day 'rule' a thing?
> Recently had to have an informative conversation about a girl that wants to roll into the same education I had, but is the same age. Ended up being a fun convo and more like an exepected date! We're going out again on friday: is it appropriate to bring a small gift like a flower/card?
>>16546884
Bit more clarification to this
Back up despite the name doesn't actually imply that you are the second in line for the pussy.
It means that you are effectively out of the dating pool and instead are the one responsible for helping her emotionally and financially trough tough times.
If she for one reason or other loses the primary interest she will simply start looking for a new primary while the back up is left to deal with the mess until she is ready to date again.
It requires a lot of time for the girl to actually settle for the back up, usually years of failure from the girl
As a bartender who's always friendly: what's considered flirting to YOU when you talk to a bartender.
>>16546900
Dude... you're being wayyy too desperate. just move on and try to fuck someone else.
For girls:
Why would my ex suddenly stop talking to me?
I haven't been spamming her with messages or anything, but we used to at least say hi to each other on the holidays and everything, and say happy birthday. But not only is she not doing that, she's not even answering me when I reach out.
Any insight as to why she would do this? It just seems like such a shitty thing to completely ignore someone for no reason. If she didn't want to talk at all, why not just outright say so, instead of just ignoring me?
>>16546915
It's easier to ignore you than confront you.
>>16546915
>It just seems like such a shitty thing to completely ignore someone for no reason.
There is a reason, you're exes. Maybe she's not able to move on if you still talk. Maybe she met someone else. Who knows? But cutting contact with exes is common.
>>16546921
Well I figured, but she's never had problems confronting me about shit before. It seems odd that she'd be unwilling to just tell me she didn't want to talk anymore. It also seems like just a shitty thing to do in general.
>>16546229
You responded perfectly.
>>16546913
Why not try for nudes on Snapchat? I'd much rather burn the bridge trying than be a beta orbiter.
Girls, is it a bad thing to openly admit you do something with ulterior motives? I mean, you're honest and they won't be ulterior anymore. Besides, you'd essentially be telling the other person you're doing them favours because you like them.
That's my reasoning behind it, though. Maybe I'm delusional.
>>16546947
You're being a beta orbiter if you add her on snapchat for the purpose of getting any little thing you can from her. Come on anon you're better than this, don't go begging for handouts.
>>16546975
She's slim with a bubble butt that I wanna see though :/ plus she's coming over in a week and I want an excuse for it to either 1) not happen if I'm not getting any or 2) create sexual tension beforehand so when we get drunk it's easier to fuck
>>16546969
You should probably not,
This is one of those things that is sort of understood but not said, No matter how you phrase it, it's just bad. Kinda like 'i am only your friend because i am lonely and you are the only person that will hang out with me'
When Im trying to be friendly and social with girls, their friends later tell me that it seemed like I was flirting, even though I never flirt. Problem is Im not attractive, so its more creepy than hot.
How do I get people to stop thinking Im flirting? Should I stop smiling or something?
>>16546998
What exactly is it that you're doing or saying?
Are you being handsy? Are you saying suggestive things? Are you being overly nice?
Just act around girls pretty much the same you act around guys. When you noticeably start acting like you're walking on eggshells, it's kind of just weird.
>>16547029
I try to act the same as around guys. With my guy friends we all swear a lot and make inappropriate jokes, so I dont do that when meeting new people. It works with guys, but not girls. You might be right with the overly nice thing, but its weird how its not so much a problem with guys
I matched with a really attractive girl on tinder, we got talking, mostly just jokes and banter. But the conversation just got progressively boring. She would give me one word responses to most things and I found myself putting all the effort into the conversation. I even make sure to make things interesting and bring up unique things to talk about and not just ask her questions about herself. I eventually got her number, we talked for a night, and still nothing from her.
Fast forward to this evening, I sent her a joke snapchat, and all she said was "I don't get it." It's not like I said something autistic like "haha get the joke" or anything like that so there was no justifying that response. I responded with "Sorry" and she said "what why sorry?" and I'm ignoring her as of now.
Was this the right thing to do, or is what I did weird? Was she being boring purely because she's a shitty texter, or did she have no interest in me in the first place?
>>16547116
She might or might not have been interested (most likely not), but the key here is that she isn't excepted to do anything for men to reward her with attention. For every man like you who says enough is enough there will be 100 who will shower her with attention even with 0 imput from her. Hell even you did it for 2 days straight.
It's just tinder, ask her to fuck or don't, don't get so attached to people who clearny don't show any interest.
>>16547176
Was originally just looking to hookup with random girls anyway, I just started crushing on her a bit after we showed similar interests.
how soon do you get to the point where you ask to fuck? I'm pretty new to tinder
>>16547207
It obviously depends. Situation like that is clear cut ask to fuck or ignore as the situation isn't developing at all and chances are she is just waiting for it anyways (if she is at all interested).
If the situation develops naturally and in good direction then you don't have to rush.
Why is everyone but me seem so sexual, just found out people are havWhy is everyone but me seem so sexual, just found out people are having sex left and right but me. Am i giving off a prune personality ing sex left and right but me. Am i giving off a prune personality
If you're in a narrow hallway with a girl and you both know where you're going should you walk in front or behind her?
>>16547362
>prune personality
Girls, how important is it for you for a guy to be outgoing and social? (how big of a turn off shyness is?)
>>16547362
Stuttering sure doesn't help. It even shows when you're typing
>>16547383
>>Do girls/guys like <insert specific look>?
>Some do, some don't.
>>16547393
>look is a specific look
Nice one. Thanks for your precious input.
I just want the opinion of women. They don't need to talk for the whole womankind.
When you male-female ignore someone for a week+ this means you don't want shit tobdo with them correct?
if a guy uses magnum condoms does that mean he has an above average dick?
>>16547495
Depends if they're actually ignoring or it's just something else
>>16547504
Yes why
Girls who are into online dating: I know you must get thousands of messages all the time but what sorts of specific messages appeal to you/make you want to reply back? I'm an 8/10 guy but I seriously have no idea what to say.
>>16547495
When it happens to me, I ping them after a while, like 1 month or so, and see what happens.
It happened last week with a girl. I just said what's up and she replied asking me to go to dinner.
It makes her look indecisive though and I'm now going to wait for her to show signs of interest, otherwise I'll just stay friendly.
>>16547383
Well I'm not going to date a guy who's so shy he can't hold a conversation. If he prefers smaller groups or whatever, that's fine, but it's not exactly a good thing if you're unable to talk to me
>>16547362
People have sex. It's absolutely normal. Get over it. And yes, you do have a 'prune' personality
>>16547370
This has got to be the epitome of overthinking things
>>16546998
This is really hard to judge unless we actually see you interacting
>>16546969
Super unattractive. No girl wants to date a Nice Guy
>>16546915
Probably has another guy who's uncomfortable with her talking to her ex
>>16546907
What in the world is the three day rule?
>>16546797
Some people just aren't great with texting. I have a friend who only really replies late at night so I have to start making plans with her days in advance, and another who will pick a conversation back up a few days later
>>16546758
The only thing I'm generally consciously aware of is when I have my arms crossed and might be giving off a closed message
>>16546699
I guess it depends on what it's for, but if it's only a night, I'd say visit her when she gets back home. If she's staying a few days, then go and visit her, even if it's only for 15ish minutes
>>16546684
You wait for them to mention they have a partner
>>16547575
>it's not exactly a good thing if you're unable to talk to me
So usually you just go to a place with a group or by yourself and wait for men to court you?
>>16547590
What? Of course not. How did you infer that?
>>16547592
When you said "unable to talk me", it strongly implied that.
And yes, I'm not comfortable in a group of more than 3 or 4 people.
>>16547627
I used that phrase because I thought it would be awkward to say 'hold a conversation' twice.
>>16547634
I think I can hold a conversation, but I need some times to be really confident with a person to the point of being really outgoing and funny.
Also, I just came from a long period of being fat and insecure about it. I think it damaged me a little.
On the physical side, I don't make any move without asking for permission (I won't hold her hand without telling her "let's be together" first, unless she touches me first).
How fucked up am I in your opinion?
>>16547674
Not very fucked up at all, to be honest. Just sound like you need some confidence
>>16547699
Thanks! It adds up to my confidence.
>>16547513
They read the message and don't reply.
>>16547551
Ask what they do and about their pets or something. Find out what they like
Dumb question for guys-
I like this guy, he possibly likes me too.
Just trying to get an opinion on something that happened.
Bit of background, we've known each other for a while. He's a server. Has always been ridiculously kind and flirtatious.
Anyway, I hadn't seen him for a little over a month, and we were sitting at the bar when I saw him out of the corner of my eye, figuring he would ignore me. He slowed to a stop behind my friend, and I could see he was looking at me. Then, he tapped me on the shoulder and said hi.
We talked for a while later. Is this a typical thing a waiter will do, because he seems to be the only one besides management and a couple waitresses.
>>16547551
Asking innocuous questions. Perhaps about some thing on my profile.
Of course, my dating profile is a joke and my secret is about porn, but I'm more likely to respond to someone who takes time to read my profile.
>>16547495
Heavily depends on the sita. Sometimes I honestly forget. Sometimes I don't know how to respond and accidentally sabotage myself
But if you repeatedly message me and I don't answer, it decidedly means I'm ignoring.
Guys or girls, how long would you wait to move in with your significant other?
>>16547775
A year at the very least. Ideally more.
>>16547775
Couple of years probably. But maybe not at all. I really like having my own space. Female here, BTW
>>16547775
At least three years ideally. Cohabiting is like marriage.
There's this girl at work that keeps looking at me and smiling at me. Does she like me? She's a skinny 7/10 at best if that helps.
>>16546229
"That's a pretty impressive feet except I can do that too you fucking looser"
I'm single
Guys!
There's this guy that comes into my work and has been for months now. Started off as friends, but his curiosity and passion has worn me down and I really like him. He'll talk about stuff that I really have no interest in, but he talks about it so passionately that I love listening and zone out and just think about kissing him.
>Do you think he can tell I'm mentally groping him in my mind?
>Do you do it to women? Is there a way I can tell if he's doing it to me when I talk?
>>16547551
i think a lot of guys overestimate how many messages girls get
i average 4-7 a day and most of them are from 40+ year old guys (i'm 22)
i also live in one of the most populated cities in the us (LA)
>>16547885
a LOT of guys mentally fuck women in any extended period of contact. myself included. so, if you can't tell when most guys talk to you that they're imagining you riding their cock, then he can't tell you're imagining kissing him
>>16547885
Unless you're showing it on your face, it's pretty unlikely that he'll know. And even if you are, some guys don't pick up on that kind of thing.
>>16547815
Eh, probably at least a little bit. Why don't you try introducing yourself?
>>16547892
How intriguing. The other day I was talking and he just was sitting back, relaxed, extended eye contact and a slight smile on his face. That's what got my mind going if he's doing it to me.
>>16547891
I think you should give Clyde a chance
>>16547896
Sorry, didn't see your reply when I posted. When he gets going, it's hard to get a word in, so I just sit, zone out a little and have a Mona Lisa smile on my face. I think my eyes might change too, like get soft. Sometimes he'll do a little head tilt and look at me harder, but won't really skip a beat in his talking.
>>16546484
Bears don't have a problem with it. Just use plenty of lube and relax also it would be a good idea to loosen yourself up with a vibe or something also after words if you feel gassy let them out or else you'll be cramping for the next few days
>>16546484
Warning you: my bf never came in me but I was farting out lube whenever I sat on the toilet for a day or two.
>Trust no farts after anal
>>16547997
We want to try it with my gf, but we're also afraid of dirty anal.
How did you prepare for it? Should we do an enema? Isn't it too troublesome?
Basically, you can't really control what's in there...
What causes girls to stand guys up? I've been stood up 3 times in the last 3 weeks and im actually getting worried about setting up plans now, any tips on how not to get stood up anons?
>>16548023
>This person did something that hurt my feelings. Why do guys/girls do this?
Because shit people are shit people. It's not a gendered thing
>>16548023
He has some decent advice:
http://www.doctornerdlove.com/2015/04/how-to-avoid-getting-the-fade/
So does he:
http://thewisesloth.com/blog-index/#zzzzz1
>>16546483
My last be was 11 years older, the only part that was weird was he had really dated taste in music.
>>16547758
>restaurant girl
Just ask him out already. You've been asking about him in this thread for at least two months now.
>>16547775
> how long would you wait to move in with your significant other?
Year or two minimum
>>16547885
>>Do you think he can tell I'm mentally groping him in my mind?
Probably nope. A lot of us are pretty dense.
>Do you do it to women? Is there a way I can tell if he's doing it to me when I talk?
Nope. Like I said to restaurant girl above, just make a move.
My girlfriend asked me what is something I wanted to try during sex and I couldn't answer. She wants an answer tomorrow. Can anyone help me brainstorm? Not anal cause I don't like it and neither doe she.
Wear accessories like leather gloves, collars, silk scarves, etc.
>>16548333
One of you being tied up? Blindfold? Slapping? Spanking? Costumes?
>>16548023
If you have a bit of respect for the person you're interested in, you tell them right after your date that you feel no deeper connection and bla bla. Fading is a bad thing on all levels
>>16548338
We've only been together two months but stuff like that doesn't do much for me. I like spanking her a bit but that's it.
>>16548356
What if she likes it?
>>16548363
I've tried asking her and she says she just wants to please me by trying something new I want.
>>16548366
Sounds like she's bored and wants to serve you. Maybe she's kind of submissive. Face fucking? Titty fuck?
If I'm pretty close friends with a girl I like, should I still see short "yes" texts as signals that she doesn't want to talk to me?
She told me once that she doesn't always know how to respond to my texts, so she just says things like "yeah". She has a point because I sometimes wouldn't know how to respond to my texts either, but I don't know. I'd try to think of anything to add to it, whether it's other details or a new topic entirely. She does too sometimes, but mostly it's just "yup".
Should I just assume she's a shit texter?
>>16548631
I'd say you were the shit texter if you're texting her things that she can't respond to
Guys: why the fuck are so many of you balding? I swear, it's almost like there's a thread about balding permanently on the front page
>>16548670
Too many chemicals in our environment (pollution, plastics degrading into our consumables, etc.) which mimic hormones. Throws our endocrine systems out of whack.
To girls: If you're on a date with a guy, and the date goes well and you make out at the end, is it okay if he gropes you while making out?
>>16548670
Genetics?
It's not like I decided I want my hair to thin, I was quite fond of it when it was nice and thick. The only difference is I'll probably just shave it off at some point instead of just having a barren circle like my father.
>>16546284
No.
>>16546420
It's totally normal, but it's a bad habit
>>16546456
Lol no
>>16546284
Sure, but that's because I'm into some of that stuff myself. I can completely understand how some guys wouldn't be comfortable with the idea in general.
>>16548753
It's fairly common but I don't think I do it. Then again maybe I just don't realize.
To girls who may be able to read another's thoughts
>knew her since like 7th grade but we went to different high schools so I never really talked to her
>have a class together in college
>start dm back and forth together (not one sided, she will message me out of the blue sometimes as well)
>make her laugh during class and regularly talk, me not getting as nervous around girls anymore helped a lot
>casually mention my job is lame, she says no it sounds cool (shitty retail job, it's NOT.)
>finals coming up
>ask her if she wants to go get lunch or starbucks and study for our final
>happily agrees
>come day before final
>she says she just needs to finish an essay and we'll go
>nothing
>next morning messages me saying she fell asleep studying
Am I just being paranoid or did she kinda stand me up? She's way out of my league so I'd understand if she just doesn't want to hang out, but I thought coffee and studying was innocent enough and id like to get to know her better. I mean she could've just actually fell asleep studying right? Finals are tough.
I've gone on a couple dates with this girl and things are kind of weird.
She's not into affection. She rarely looks me in the eyes. I gave her a hug the other night and she seemed repulsed. She also seems grouchy when we hang out. Despite this, she still wants to hang out with me. She mentioned that the guys in her past move on. We're both in our early 20s.
What do? I don't understand what she could possibly be looking for in a relationship.
>>16548670
You do realize pretty much all men bald, and a whole fourth of all men start balding before age 25, right?
Even as a woman, I can understand how that kind of change would be hard to go through.
>>16548227
There's actually another restaurant girl because I've been away for about three months.
Girls: if you stare at me, straight in the eyes, before saying goodbye for an awkward amount of time (like 7/8 dead silent seconds). What does that mean? I mean, I felt my heart racing and pouding in my chest, but was too little of a shit to make a move. Does Femanon think this is only done to guys you're into?
Reposting one from earlier in the thread because there's been an update that completely changes the context and now I'm even more confused.
>take girl on date last thursday
>goes well, we kiss at the end
>tell her I want to see her next wednesday
>seems like she really likes me
>we text or snap every day or two
>a little awk, but that's how it always is with someone new
>we're texting today
>back and forth, responding every few minutes with each other
>contact seems positive
>ask if she wants to meet up tomorrow at 7, basically confirming the date
>"I have plans sorry"
>"No worries. Do you still want to do something later this week?"
>No response for 2 hours.
And the update
>then I get
>"Maybe. I have a lot of work so I'll be staying there pretty late each night I think"
What is going on? Is she still possibly interested or not?
The people I have asked are split on whether she's letting me down easy or still actually might be interested. If she just said the second part, I could say "okay, she lost interest." But she said "Maybe" before that, when, if she just wanted no contact, she could have just stopped responding to me.
More importantly, is there anything I can do here? I do really like her and it seems like there's a little more hope in this situation than others I've been involved with. There's a party I'm going to on Friday I could invite her to the morning of?
>own my own company
>annual take $120,000/yr
>okay looks
>master's degree in STEM
>confident
>lots of hobbies
>5'11
>lots of free time
but
>live with mother (actually, she lives with me. I own the house)
>no car (live in a bustling city with adequate public transit, I live in the heart of the city)
>haven't been on a date in nine years, always put work first
Am I hopeless?
Should I feel inadequate if my partner makes more than me? I grew up traditional and it was always the man who was primary breadwinner. I'm fine with my spouse working, but I don't know if I'm considered expendable if she makes $3,600/mo and I only make $2,400/mo.
Girls: Do you find my body attractive? I'd like to think it's decent for a 22-year-old kissless virgin NEET shut-in with a shitty diet who's never worked out regularly. But maybe I'm biased because it's my body. Dunno. I mean, it's pretty good, right? It would help me to hear it or at least know that there's potential. I just feel so unattractive and inferior to "other guys" most of the time and it feels like it's no use trying to escape this downward spiral because no girl is ever gonna wan sum fuk. Not that it's my only desire in life or anything but it's been a prominent one lately because human biology.
>>16549033
Not a girl, but holy fuck you look really good, I can hardly tell you're a NEET. I'm surprised girls aren't breaking down your door.
>>16549040
Thanks man, I've got some compliments on my build and looks irl (mostly from relatives) but I always assume they're either being nice or have low standards. Coming from an internet person that actually means something, because everyone's brutally honest and critical here.
>>16549033
You need to train your lats and traps, and stretch off your chest.
Your posture is terrible and it looks like you are tensing all the time.
You look like you are trying too hard.
>>16549089
I was trying to stand up straight for the picture and the timer on my camera is pretty quick so I didn't have time to relax. I'm sure from a bodybuilder perspective I'd have to train pretty much everything because my body is completely untrained. Not sure how many girls pay attention to lats and traps though and I was hoping for general female perspective, that's why I posted here and not /fit/. But thanks for your advice, it's helpful to know what I need to focus on.
Why do he have to do this stupid dance of being coy when we meet? There is literally nothing more I want right now than to just be with her yet I have to act only semi interested. Fuck this gay earth
>mutual interest in a girl
>having lunch with her and a female friend
>mentions they went drinking one night
>female friend mentions a dude
>girl doesn't say anything
>then resumes saying she has a lot in common with me
Did the girl get laid?
>>16549173
Yes
A question for both:
How long did it take you to get a GF/BF?
Curious lonely dude here
>>16549204
For good looking guys one day. For you never.
>>16549199
Really?
Still pursue or nah?
Should I?
>>16549272
Plastic golems
>>16549253
>>16549173
Maybe she's trying to tell you she's single?
Signs of attractions are there, she asked and i hanged out with her before, now when i ask her to hang out she says no. Why are girls so hard to read
Girls, when you don't have a bf do you usually have a fwb?
>>16549272
like are you getting both? Then yes
>>16549272
>>16549365
>Want to hang out?
>No.
Seems pretty clear cut to me.
>>16549447
Well it wasnt a straight up no, but she did say she couldn't
>>16548949
Do you know anything about her potential workload?
I have friends who can suddenly get busy because of surprising assignments or tasks having to be redone.
How about you tell her to message you when she's got some time?
That way you put the ball in her court, if she wants to let you down calmly, she'll be able to do so, if she's still interested, you'll get her message.
>>16548949
I know that feel, except she asked me out but it didnt go as well as a kiss. Maybe she is legit busy but one can assume if she is really feeling you she will try and see you. Try giving her some time then ask her whats up
>>16548949
>Didn't propose an alternative date
Not interested.
>>16549450
Then she sounds busy. Where's the confusion?
>>16549489
I dont know, i just dont know when to initiate again, or if i should
I had a few free hours and hit up the girl I'm dating to hang out spontaneously. She'd told me beforehand that she was free all day, so I figured why not.
She left me hanging all that time, and just before my hours were up she texted me saying she hasn't got time that evening because a guy friend's visiting. I explained I meant those lost hours, and all she replied with was
>oh
She is honestly ditzy at times, but this just hurts me. I'm seriously doubting now whether she gives even a single damn about me. How do I express how disappointed, let down and rejected I feel, without looking like a pathetic, needy little shit? I want to fix this, but I want to save face.
>>16549514
You express it by moving on without any further word.
Anything else will sound needy and butthurt.
If she'll turn back to you later on, you may ask her what happened this moment.
>>16548949
I am in such a similar situation that I could have written your exact post myself. My girl is working a hopeless job, 10 hours a day, with three Sundays a month off. I know she is legit busy as FUCK, and also the job makes her depressed. Last time I saw her she seemed that kind of tired you are when you just have no hope for the future.
I don't really have any advice for you, except that she might actually be extremely busy, and just telling you in an awkward way. Don't give up on her just yet, I had almost given up on my girl, when one day she suddenly asked if I wanted to hang out. We're still not seeing each other often though.
Fingers crossed it will work out for both of us.
To females:
From my virgin perspective, growing up and seeing it all done, and being a young adult and seeing it currently, it always seems like females have a much, MUCH, easier time getting relationships and sex than males.
Is this perception of mine true?
>>16549204
First gf at 26.
Became gf after about 3 dates across 4 weeks (we live far enough that it's inconvenient to meet up except on weekends.)
Don't know if it'll make you feel better or worse, but that's with me being a decent looking, fairly charming guy.
There was a while where I was starting to feel cursed because it felt like some random shit would always tank any relationship that was starting to get serious. Them losing a job and having to move, massive family issues, a family member literally dying (this legit happened with a couple of girls actually...), etc.
Actually, while we were dating, like right after our second date my girlfriend's uncle passed away. She was also laid off like three weeks before we started dating. Maybe my curse is intact, <.<;;
Anyway, just keep going. As long as you never give up, and you keep trying to better yourself, eventually you get there.
>>16549549
Will do.
hey girls,
this girl I'm talking with asked for my phone number on Tinder and we moved to Whatsapp. We did chat a couple days, now every time I write her she shows me her nephews pictures saying she loves them so much, spent the day playing with them, etc
Does that mean something? is she opening up or the opposite?
>>16549543
Much easier time getting sex, sure. But that's not really a primary motivation for a lot. Girls still still have sex drives, but sleeping with a total random is unappealing for most.
Much easier time getting relationships...
A superficial, shitty relationship... pretty much anyone can get (aka all the abusive/cheating relationships). Just drop your standards to absolutely nothing and I'm sure you could do it too (it can literally as easy as: Have money, go for bottom tier. AKA Gold diggers)
Getting a good relationship? Hard as heck for everyone, male or female.
>>16549531
It's not that easy. Under normal circumstances we see each other regularly. I can't just drop her and move on.
>>16549570
She's opening up. I sure as hell wouldn't show pictures of my kid relative to some online stranger if I didn't feel comfortable with them.
>>16549616
Dose of reality here...
Dude, you last second, out of the blue asked her to hang out.
Even if she was free before, don't be petty enough to be pissed if she made other plans and didn't sit around on her ass staring at her phone waiting to answer, on the completely off chance you hit her up to do something.
The world doesn't revolve around you.
How do I get better at making out (at any stage)?
>>16549627
I typed up three responses, each one more frustrated than the last, but fine. You win. She can't help it.
I just feel neglected. We haven't seen each other in ages, and I asked several hours in advance. A reasonable time, honestly. The world may not revolve around me, but it's like I don't have a place in it at all. That she leaves me in the dark and doesn't even bother telling me 'no' only reinforces that fact.
Now I already sent a pissed text because I wasn't thinking rationally and she read it without reply. The text regret is great, because there's still a chance she didn't do it on purpose.
So now I'm the bad guy. Again.
How do I work my way out of this?
>>16549704
Post your message.
What are some random sexy things the ladies of /adv/ have had done to them during foreplay or sex? Things you really enjoy or know many of your fellow women enjoy.
Something spontaneous, needing no real prep or special toys
No girl has ever cared about me enough to let me use their vagina for less than 10 minutes.
>>16546420
i think everyone does that, although i only do it when i'm alone, wouldn't do it near anyone, that'd be weird
It's kinda like chewing a gum except it's your balls
>>16546420
Normal but sometimes its a way of him trying to subtly say he is horny.
>>16549625
thanks!
Just asked her for a date, but due to her incredibly complicated working agenda I told her to contact me when she has a free evening. She looked happy but I just know I'll wait ten days in front of the phone then die inside
>>16547504
If they fit.
I am considering buying magnums just to use the box and put other condoms inside..figure it will throw off a girl..
Even if its obvious I am not a magnum to me, I feel it might get a girls heart rate up.
>>16547891
Clyde looks like a nice dude tbqh, hunting, probably nice first message.
Play your cards right and you might get some delicious freshly hunted meat, woman.
>>16549204
I became a couple with my boyfriend at the age of 18 (closer to 19) after being best friends for about three years.
>>16548014
Bumping this
Anal is super tight but seeing and smelling shit and worrying about my bed sheets etc takes me out of the mood and it takes serious willpower to keep diamond hard to power through the booty
>>16548333
Does she ever lick and suck on your balls? Or a sloppy BJ, lots of spit.
>>16548373
This, she is trying to make it clear she wants to be dominated and serve you imho
>>16549709
Roughly translated:
>I wasn't talking about tonight. I was talking about those free hours I mentioned when I asked. The ones that just passed 2 minutes ago.
>I just feel let down. If I get another genius idea with hours off I'll ask sooner. If you actually like the idea, that is.
There were a few short responses from her inbetween, but she mostly went "what do you mean"
Like I said, she's a bit of a ditz and has a habit of taking words literally. Puns, innuendo and the mood at any time go right over her head. I'm honestly not even sure if she understood how I pissed I was.
Guys, how do you treat women you want to date vs women you just want to fuck differently?
>>16548948
Probably wants to kiss?
>>16549577
I guess thats their curse, they could get laid all the time but most women want a relationship, and many of the women who do want to get laid do, but they are often ugly, or destroy themselves.
>>16549767
I would date or fuck almost any woman.
>>16548770
If she keeps doing things like this, yeah sure. Take it as rejection. Just a one off you should be ok. I know I'd never schedule anything after writing an essay because it usually takes me all night, and I'm mentally exhausted afterwards.
>>16548806
Talk to her. Its totally reasonable to ask, "So what do you want out of a relationship?"
Do remember: don't stick with her out of pity that no other guy could stand her standoffishness. You deserve someone who gives you just as much affection as you want. She needs to find someone who hates physical intimacy as much as she does.
>>16549033
Yes, wow. You have damn good genetics there. Classic V shape. Wide shoulders, trim waist. You don't look scrawny and you don't look fat. If this is you without any effort, you have the potential to look absolutely amazing if you did.
>would fuq
>>16549767
If I want to build a serious relationship with a woman, I chat a lot with a lot of time in between to get to know her better
If I want to fuck I ask her a date after 30 minutes
>>16549793
So how do you think I should bring it back up when finals are over? Maybe something like "hey, even though we don't have to study anymore, still want to go get coffee with me?" Or something like that?
>>16549704
>I asked several hours in advance. A reasonable time, honestly.
What kind of world do you live in where that's reasonable? I might not even check my phone for a couple hours. Within the day at all is short notice. A day ahead is ok. I usually like a couple days ahead.
When I go to see a boy it might take me a couple hours just to get ready. Shaving everything, doing my hair, choosing an outfit, settling my nerves, giving my stomach enough time that I'm hungry enough to eat on the date... So if I'm warned "several hours prior", that's just enough time if I am doing literally nothing else and can jump into getting ready immediately.
>>16549836
>women
>>16549836
Speaking of shaving, some days ago, I happened to get naked with a girl and it seems that both of us weren't prepared (not showered, not wearing a bra) as well as not shaved.
Now I managed to get another date with her next week, and we'll most likely end in bed once or twice, so now I'm thinking if I shall shave down there, or if I shall keep it like before.
What would you do?
Shall I do it as soon as possible to avoid stubbles?
>>16549826
Go for it. She probably already knows that you weren't meeting up purely to study. Sure, you might have got work done, but you're trying to make a connection.
You could try to be funny and phrase it like "to recover from finals"
>>16548670
We always did. Just this generation is vain as fuck.
>>16549848
There's nothing wrong with pubic hair. Just trim it with scissors, there's absolutely no need to completely shave, nor should you expect her to completely shave.
>not showered,
Big deal, more pheromones.
>Not wearing a bra
Sounds like she was prepared.
>>16549836
Yeah, yeah. I got that it's wrong already. Spare me the judgment and just give me advice on how to fix this.
It was not a proper date situation, though. It was literally just "let's chill at your place for a bit"
>>16549463
My issue is that I feel if I put the ball in her court I'll come across as a kek.
She's an accountant who just took a huge exam. I think I'll leave her alone for a few days and then message her sometime early next week when I've let things cool a bit. I'll try one more time and then maybe I'll do what you said.
>>16549477
Also decent advice
>>16549484
Maybe. She's also genuinely pretty awkward in a sweet kind of way. She turned me down from a Tinder meetup 2 months ago, I left it alone and then she hit me up a month later saying what's up. Waiting and seeing for a few days might be the way to go. I should note that I still haven't responded to that last text.
>>16549541
Thanks brah. Good luck.
To girls and maybe fellow guys;
I think it is due time to make a clear move on my current crush.
The problem is I am getting mixed signals like
she feels obviously comfortable in my presence even when alone in my room or in remote places and she is the one introducing physical contact. But she hardly ever texts first or talks to me in a bigger group until she has to.
Now I am afraid if I take my time figuring her out or address the issue directly I will slip into some kinda friendzone especially BECAUSE I was unintentionally nice guy and she opened up surprisingly quick about personal shit.
On the other side I can´t get rejected or or fuck up the relationship in any way since we might have to see each other twice a week for the next three years.
Dunno if I am mixing topics but shit seems related...
thanks
>>16550062
If you think its worth the risk go for it. Nothing worse then regrets, im currently getting mix messages from a girl i like but it feels better then the ones that could have been. If she is a decent person she wont make it feel awkward, if she does well its was probably for the best to know she isnt that great.
>>16549871
>Big deal, more pheromones.
Completely my point as well, she didn't like it though, she seems to be quite conscious of her body odour, anything I can do to reassure her in a non-creepy way?
Ladies:
how is a man to approach "ugly" parts of your body in a intimate relationship?
I often feel like saying saying something along the line of "hey girl you might or might not have minor issues about your small tits / your fat ass / the (hairy)mole on your back but I want you to know that I don´t give half a shit and some of your "flaws" are quite endearing to me".
Of course this would be way to direct and create awkward situation if she is actually all cool with her body (which sadly is not always the case).
I tried to give special non-verbal attention to the part in question but that went rather contra productive.
It seems childish to ignore something we are both well aware of.
As a man with receding hairline at 22 I think I can relate somehow.
So what is a good way to be reassuring?
>>16550178
lol Wut? If you love her tits, tell her you love her tits. If you love her ass, tell her you love her ass.
>>16550178
What "imperfections" does she feel she has?
>>16549767
1.) I ask them out on an actual date
2.) I don't want a relationship, I just talk to them, and if we vibe, things go where they go.
>>16550194
ok no it is not about me liking but about her maybe being overly sensitive and me wanting her to relax.
Guys, girls, anyone
To put this simply (it's a long story so i'll try to make it short)
Met a girl in my class before summer vacations and the final exams, there's a good feel between us. Rapidly i ask her on a date. She comes, it's really great, 30 minutes later she invites me to her appartment, she put a series, she even find an excuse to play with my hair, and i chickened out and didn't go for anything (cause basically i'm a beta). I literally failed at Netflix & chill.
After that, i was really pissed at myself after failing like this when i've never had such a good occasion since a while, and didn't really talk to her after that because i was scared it would be too awkward.
Anyway, exams pass, and through the course of this summer i tried like 3 or 4 times to get a new date, and she was always too busy, said yes then canceled, etc.
I gave up, new year began, i saw her from time to time at college but we didn't do much more than say hello and stuff.
One of my friends invited her at one of our parties once but we didn't talk much
Then like a month ago we saw each other at college, had a nice conversation, then i asked her for a coffee, she said yes.
She even sent a message later saying that it would more likely be a beer since she was finishing late.
And then that day she sent me a message saying she couldn't, she had a good excuse, apologized and said we'll see each other at school but i can see a pattern, i still can't get a date with her.
So it's a lot of backstory for not much here, but my question is,
> should i keep trying asking her for a date ?
> How should i do it ?
I feel like i'd be really annoying if i ask her again, but she's always so nice and has excuses, but i don't know, i'd really want something with her, she's real gf material, and that's just what i need right now.
My friends all tell me i should keep trying but i feel like i'm running in circles
>>16550243
That's really more her problem and not something you can change
