I'm in my mid-20's and I'm just tired of dating women (relationships, casual dating, platonic friendships, ONS's, pretty much all interactions). It's just a fucking chore- you have to be the man, be on your game 24/7, don't be too desperate, don't be too aloof, work to keep your status high, and be the decisive "rock" for a girl, cause the vast majority of the ones who aren't lesbians wouldn't dare take initiative and take the lead instead of the man once in a while.
The only people worth that kind of investment in time and energy IMHO would be my family members and my best mates who I consider family.
Has anyone sworn off the opposite gender (or of the same gender if you're gay) for longer than 3+ years? How does it feel? Is it liberating?
I don't know, Anon.
I've been woman-free for like 3 years, just because I guess I have no game and I'm inherently unlikeable despite pretty much having my shit together. I'm tall, in decent shape, a student, a pilot, and work for a marketing firm in a really nice city with my own apartment in a killer location. I dress well, I'm of above-average attractiveness. I go to the gym a few times a week.
Despite all this I am forever alone. Then again, I have zero interest in the vast majority of American women. But I'm basically MGTOW without wanting to be. In some ways it's cool because I have nobody to answer to except myself, and I am only responsible and beholden to myself. I do whatever the shit I want to do, when I want to do it. Now, ultimately that means that I probably don't do as much as I would otherwise do with a partner, but I'm also not much of a socialite.
But it's also miserably, soul-crushingly lonely. I've tried to just accept it and embrace it and make the best of things, but I don't think humans are designed like that. I think we need other humans, in an intimate and romantic sense. I'm mad depressed, and it just seems like it's getting worse. The only thing really keeping my going and motivated is that in a few years I'll hopefully be moving back overseas where shit was fucking baller as fuck, and my life might miraculously turn around for the better.
>>17329771
Do what you wanna do man, just don't go preaching about it how you are superior to others in doing so. Some people spruiking MGTOW act the same as religious people advertising their religion.
Do as you wish, no one really cares.
>>17329771
Also - this belief that you "have to be the man, have to be on your game, blah blah blah" only is useful if you are trying to appeal to as many girls as possible.
I know its cliche, but "Be yourself". You might not drag in as many girls as you would have before, and I can guarantee its probably a lot harder (requires humility sometimes) but being happier with yourself generally attracts people who want to help you, and enjoy your company, in addition the girls you attract you will probably enjoy their company a lot more than girls you had in the past.
>>17329800
So you just bang whores?
>>17329841
I don't bang anyone. . _.
>>17329844
Well why the fuck not? I mean, if loneliness is a problem, it's easily solved. If it's just hangin' out, drunk people in bars are real friendly. If it's sex, well, whores are a thing. Ain't no shame in it, despite what some say.
>>17329841
Believe it or not, this is what I've currently been doing for 2 years after having a similar belief to OP.
Not saying OP wants to do this, but for anyone else considering it, hang in there, and don't start this shitty behaviour.
>>17329826
> JUST B URSELF
>>17329848
Even though I hate roosh, I'll quote him here for truth.
"The main difference between guys learning game and guys banging prostitutes is laziness. The second is creepiness. Meet a regular john and you’ll understand what I mean—they brag about fucking prostitutes like a college guy brags about fucking a sorority slut. I’ll just say this: if the girl you fucked wouldn’t acknowledge you on the street afterwards, and in most cases would ignore you and pray you don’t recognize her, then I consider your bang to be shameful and something you should keep to yourself."
>>17329771
I consider myself lucky. In our relationship, my girlfriend takes the lead most of the time. But when it comes to sex she loves to get dominated. So I don't have to deal with shit in life, but I still get to feel like a man in bed. It's the best of both worlds.
>>17329855
Yeah that's a hot opinion, and pretty accurate, but it also assumes it's treated like something it's not. There's a big difference between "no shame in it" and "brag about it". All I was saying is that there's no actual reason to feel bad about doing it.
>>17329848
I hate whores. And I used to hang out at bars and such regularly, but I was turning into a borderline alcoholic and I recognized that as an unhealthy lifestyle choice, so now I've almost entirely removed alcohol from my consumption.
>>17329864
>>17329848
Let me continue by saying, I've only had a single ONS in my life which I hated, I don't like PUG, I don't enjoy dating and fucking around, and I don't like people that do. I'm a very traditionally-minded person. I like LTRs, ideally leading to marriage and building a family. I'm not interested in sleeping around, fucking whores, or dating sluts/ex-sluts.
>>17329855
>I’ll just say this: if the girl you fucked wouldn’t acknowledge you on the street afterwards, and in most cases would ignore you and pray you don’t recognize her, then I consider your bang to be shameful and something you should keep to yourself."
I'm OP and that's how 95% of my encounters with women end up.
>>17329864
>>17329869
Well, it sounds to me like you're having a problem due to limiting yourself. Not that it's a bad thing, mind - you have standards and can control your behaviour. That's good. But if your loneliness is truly so soul-crushing, then eventually something will have to give, or you'll be miserable forever.
>>17329844
Dude you are me expect that I am still in college. Do this: go to bars \clubs alone and talk to people. Not for sex or anything, just to have a conversation. You have to learn to be extroverted, it is pretty much expected from society that you are. If you are like me you are introverted and dont like going partying etc. My tip: just do it. As a male introvert you are pretty much fucked for life.
I'm 6'3 , over average attractive(the few female friends I have consider me a 7-8\10) and doing weight lifting. Still never hold hands with a girl or had a gf. Life is pain...
Working on it rn though, so wish me luck
Been single since I left school. Still get the feels. Accidentally got sucked into talking to a girl and falling for her, now I'm spazzing out whenever we're not talking wondering if I've done something, if she got bored and moved on and all that shit and now I remember why I stopped bothering.
Yeah that feeling you get when you talk to a cute girl is nice but it's not worth the hassle. Unfortunately she now considers us close friends and we are part of the same social group/community so it's not like I can just delete, block and ignore.
>>17329884
I am a healthy, normal, productive, functioning member of society. I want a traditional, healthy, lasting relationship with a good, wholesome woman.
It's pretty fucked up that in this day and age that is basically impossible to achieve, and honestly I feel like I shouldn't have to leave this fucking country to find that. But, apparently I do.
>>17329888
I delete block and ignore all the time brah
>>17329893
>>17329888
Yeah forreal. I would do the same. Fuck whatever social group you're in, if she is wasting your time, don't friend zone yourself. Just ignore and move on.
>>17329892
That assumes it's going to work out after you leave.
I mean, I don't know where you're going, but all I have to say is that among all the people I know/knew, exactly one managed to start a family without any issues cropping up a few years into it. And that's covering both genders.
People got really shit at long-term relationships at some point.
>>17329901
>People got really shit at long-term relationships at some point.
People have always been shit at them. Our generation is not unique. OP isn't exactly a catch, no one who is swearing off the opposite gender and touting MGTOW bullshit is some huge catch to the opposite gender. Clearly he has baggage and isn't prime dating material. People settle at that point.
>>17329771
I basically swore off women for about 3 years in college. It leaves a lot of time, energy, and focus to do other things, but I always had the feeling that something was missing. Women are a lifelong project, especially if you view marriage and children as important goals, no matter how distant. Any time you take off that project just sets you back from your goal. When I started back up again I had a strange feeling like I had stepped out of a time capsule. Even in 3 years, there's a big change you missed out on. Your peers will have more experience, new priorities, a new norm that you aren't accustomed to because you're still stuck in the mindset of your 3 years younger self. Plus even dating culture itself changes noticeably in 3 years.
Anyway, just find a quality girl. It's not that hard if you refuse to settle for less. Yeah they are rare but they are out there, you've probably done harder things in your life than find a girl who won't treat you poorly.
>>17329901
Yeah, I can relate. My old relationships started off great, and then various bullshit sprung up which eventually ruined them all after a year or two.
I used to live and work in China in HR. That was amazing. Way better culture and society. I would definitely consider returning there and starting anew. Or some other places in SE Asia, depending on what piloting jobs are available to me.
>>17329901
People are afraid of LTR's these days because they will have to continue to work on it for it maintain the LTR.
Its a symptom of our generation, a lot of people want LTR's, but when things get rough, they generally choose to OPT out because its easier to do so.
>>17329910
I like how you automatically assume there is something critically defective about OP simply because he, in a state of exasperation clearly, decided to even consider MGTOW. Maybe he's just had a string of really unsatisfactory prospects after putting in a lot of effort. It's fair for him to feel exasperated. It's fair for him to consider wanting to take a break. I don't think you'd criticize him for that. But as soon as he uses an internet buzzword, "MGTOW," suddenly BAM your genes are unfit for reproduction buddy sorry it must suck to be at the bottom of the gene pool. Hahahaha.
>>17329926
MGTOW is a toxic as fuck place, similar to feminists who think all men are pigs and unworthy. If you think that he's a catch you're delusional, that shit is more baggage than most people have and yet he's whining about how awful 99% of the opposite gender is. He's the one with the problem.
There's a difference between taking a break from dating because you want more time for yourself and your loved ones, and swearing off the opposite gender for years because you're bitter and angry and feel like you're being unfairly persecuted and that the opposite sex is all unworthy trash.
>>17329910
Perhaps it's not unique in the sense of being shit at relationships, but certainly in the amount of effort people are willing to put in - or so I gather from observation. Of course it's not like I conducted a fucking research, so I could be wrong or biased. But really, how unique it is doesn't matter. What matters is that the overall state is still fucked.
Also seconding >>17329926 - that's a hell of an assumption you got, just because he used the term. I admit, I cringed myself at it, but it doesn't automatically make him a reject.
>>17329945
>you're bitter and angry and feel like you're being unfairly persecuted and that the opposite sex is all unworthy trash.
And where, pray tell, did the OP say anything like that?
>>17329771
>mid-20's
>tired of dating women
Although, yes all the work is on the men -_-
>>17329966
oh, tell me more about how it's hard to be female
>>17329966
Lol you cheeky cunt. He never said it's easy to be a woman in the current dating scene just because it's tiresome to be a man. That's some twisted fallacious logic you've got going there. He did say the vast majority of women in the dating scene don't take initiative and he's tired of that specifically. Which doesn't amount to a tearful Korean doll.
>>17330010
>He did say the vast majority of women in the dating scene don't take initiative and he's tired of that specifically.
Inb4 someone tries to assert this isn't a cold hard fact of reality
>>17330029
its easy for women to find dates, and sex. its just hard for women to find love. women never seem to know what they want.
women are obsessed with fairy tale romance. by the time they realise that it isnt a reality, its too late. men are not bothered so we are just happy with someone decent. women expect to be amazed like its some romantic novel.
>>17330034
Men love women, women love children, children love puppies.
>>17330010
>>17330034
>it's not easy to be a woman
You fools, Women have such lush life, all they have to do is not to be fat, that's it, they can ride dicks in their early 20's then marry some poor schmuck, shit out couple of kids and keep him on leash, so he will provide for her all of his life, and work himself to the fucking grave, and if he pressures her for sex, she will just came up with lame excuse, "my head hurts", "I am not in the mood", "I am not really sexual", whilst getting dick on the side, and if she's tired of him just file for divorce, because he was neglecting her "needs" and live off child support, and then find another poor guy
as for OP, I am MGTOW myself, have been 10 years already, always remember that you are fighting human nature, and nature always wins, you will always feel attraction to females, if you crave intimacy better hire high class escort, she will tend to all your needs without any bullshit
>>17330056
what are you talking about? i never said that women have hard lives.
>>17330061
Well, shit I am sorry for assuming wrong thing then
A break from women can be a good thing. You could use the time to improve into a better self and to learn to care and love yourself. You could also use the time to rethink about what you are searching from a girl and how much of it is blinding you from other amazing women.
Many times I have seen that the reason what a good guy can't find a good woman has to due with his priorities when searching for a mate. Thing like: big boobs, red hair, X height , must love comics, etc. I am not saying you should settle, but maybe you can find a nice woman whiotreats you well and try to teach her about comics (same applies for woman searching for a man).
Also, start meeting people face to face and stop relying on Internet to date or talk.
>>17330103
>I'm not saying you should settle, but you should settle
Go get raped by a refugee you cuckfag
>>17329869
Sounds like you may need to move to the fucking Midwest. You leave the city and they're are traditional conservative girls everywhere.
>>17330135
Lol rural bucktoothed Midwesterners will cheat on you with a black bull in an instant, keep dreaming cuck
>>17330143
this all women have the same nature and if you bring a girl from a foreign country to America she will start acting like the modern western whores from here.
Dudes on here are so pathetic and hilarious
>>17330180
says the person browsing the same site :^)
>>17329869
If this is the case then you need to try to learn to be able to pick out the qualities in a girl that will make her a good long term partner even if that means sacrificing other important traits like her looks or her passion. There are probably many girls out there who might share some of the same ideas you do about the importance of marriage and LTRs but many of them might be more homely looking than you'd like.
Americans? In Europe it's totally different, we girls chase guys. I found my bf from online game, my friend found his guy while walking their dogs. You should move to Europe :)
>>17329771
Your fault lies in the fact that you're trying to go for a girl because society tells you to, not because you want to.
Eventually you will come across someone who you feel is worth investing all that time and energy. Meanwhile, don't force it.
MGTOW refuses women as a whole and turns you into a disagreeable dick by making you perceive the vast majority of women as useless golddiggers, and eventually you'll behave towards them in that way. It's the equivalent of feminism viewing all men as dangerous rapists. Don't fall for those crappy tricks.
Make an effort for your friends, family, people you care about, spend some energy on yourself, be the best you can be and stop approaching women as potential dates / sex partners. Note that I don't say to stop talking to women. Take a break from dating and pulling, not a break from half of the world population.
If you want my humble opinion, dating is cancer. You don't just take out a person a couple times then decide you love them. Most people date and get into relationships for their ego: women try to get the "best" (richest, status-est) man, men try to get the hottest chick. Dating culture is a poison and only serves to sell people cars, watches, clothes or makeup and spend money in bars. It also makes you constantly compare who else you could get with because you are basically trying to compete with other of your gender on a market. It stands in the way of everything that makes a relationship decent, which is trust and you know, genuinely caring about the other and not about what's in there for you. You're still sort of stuck in that mentality btw, since all you mention are that women are annoying and bring you nothing but trouble.
If you want to be with someone, it will be clear you want to be with them. Meanwhile, don't force it, and don't go where the dick points for a while.
>>17329855
You know how girls that sleep around too much are labelled as sluts and become unattractive?
It's the same unattractiveness if you learn the guy you see has been to a whore.
It's one of women's red flags, never date someone who paid a person for sex.
>>17330416
Yeah I can confirm this. But fucking hate it when guys lie about it and then reveal it like after a year of dating. It's something I dump a guy over, any time.
>>17330424
>>17330416
I concurr. I broke up with a boyfriend over this once.
>>17330445
>>17330424
>>17330416
Damn. I'm a kissless virgin whose been thinking about paying a prostitute just to get over that hump but this is making me rethink it.
For you ladies which is worse, the guy who didn't and is still a virgin with no real experience with women or a similar guy who went the extra step of paying for a prostitute? Obviously both are pretty bad so assume that the guys are otherwise a reasonably attractive person in terms personality and looks and whatnot.
>>17330475
I'd rather take a virgin. But with virgins, there is the fear of one leaving me over the want of exploring other vaginas once they finally have gotten it from someone. But honestly, I think it's lack of self respect to visit a prostitute, I hope you don't do it. I guess times have changed and it's more acceptable but still, quite sad..
>>17330475
Just go to a prostitute. If you can land a real woman chances are she has had miles of chad cock in her before you anyway so you are even in that way.
>>17330475
A virgin. Don't listen to /r9k/, it's not that bad. I'd much rather have someone who shares my values than someone who is so scared of being inexperienced that he visits prostitutes. I would always feel like the guy treats women as a commodity to be consumed, in that sense that i'd be someone you pay off with a different type of money (time, gifts, dinners) rather than him valuing me for who I am.
Of course there are people that will be dicks to you but if you loose your virginity within a relationship (as you should imho), there's no reason for the girl to be mean.
I think however it's fine to not mention it before you're involved with each other. It's like having a funny birthmark down there, it only becomes relevant if the relationship moves to sexual territory.
>>17330528
Le ebin "all women are sloots" meme.
>>17330475
Just lie about it or don't ever mention it.
The girl you will be with will already sucked tons of cocks anyways.
>>17330538
Well not all but chances are woman a awkward virgin could get are.
Don't ask don't tell.
>>17330532
Yeah this, my ex did it this way: we had sex, he was kind of funny in bed but hey, most first times with anyone are funny, no matter how experienced we are. Then after the sex I asked him had he been with many women and he said no. Then I asked how many exactly and he said that I was the first. It wasn't tricking me, we just never talked about it and it was kind of a nice feeling to be his first.
>>17329771
>I'm in my mid-20's and I'm just tired of knowing black people (relationships, casual dating, platonic friendships, ONS's, pretty much all interactions). It's just a fucking chore- you have to be the white man, be on your game 24/7, don't be too politically incorrect, don't be too aloof, work to keep your status high, and be the decisive "rock" for a nigger, cause the vast majority of the ones who aren't uncle toms wouldn't dare take initiative and take the lead instead of the white man once in a while.
>The only people worth that kind of investment in time and energy IMHO would be my family members and my best mates who I consider family.
>Has anyone sworn off the negro race (or of the same race if you're black) for longer than 3+ years? How does it feel? Is it liberating?
>>17330554
>first times with anyone are funny
I wish this was more well known and men would stop stressing out and going all "muh performance, i'm gonna make you cum" and just appreciate the weird and the rest of the moment.
>>17330581
lost my virginity recently. i made the girl cum before me. i didnt know what i was doing really. after it, she was mostly concerned about her performance. i asked about mine, and she just said that i need to stop being so eager when kissing.
>>17330575
upon reading your post
i surely did lol
but now it is time
to go back to /pol/
>>17330612
Be glad she told what you did wrong, most girls just say it was fine and then bitch about it being shit to their friends. I know this, I'm a girl.
>>17330575
You don't need to do all that to have a black friend.
>>17330634
You don't need to do all that to have a female friend.
Been in a relationship for 2 years now, I'm going to break it off with her tonight once I down this bottle vodka. Only because I can't stand her kids. She has 2 and it's too much drama. I'm on 22 she's 27 fk that shit
>>17330652
>Dating single mothers
>Ever
You're doing the right thing by breaking up with her.
>>17329892
>I am a healthy, normal, productive, functioning member of society. I want a traditional, healthy, lasting relationship with a good, wholesome woman.
Why did I laugh when I read that?
>>17330621
im kind of dating her now. we where properly dating, and she all of a sudden started saying she likes me and think i am a great guy but isnt sure if im the one and she needed time to think. i stopped speaking to her for a week to give her time to think. speaking to her again now, and now i dont know where i even stand with her.
i asked her if she wants to take things slow. and she just said "i think we need to just chill". just saying because you're a girl so you might understand what she means, and is intending to do.
>>17330658
Thanks anon that somehow made me feel better about the whole situation.
>>17329945
>all that projecting
>>17330652
>he fell for the single mother when he was 20
ayy
>>17330652
Dating single mothers is fucking stupid.
Thank god you decided to break up and learned your mistake.
Fuck her, yes of course, but NEVER date her.
That shit is for cucks.
>>17330661
Does she initiate conversations? If not then she probably isn't interested anymore, god knows why since there can be a million reasons.
If she still does start talking and tries to keep the conversation going on, then she is just kind of unsure about you. You should give her space but from time to time (like once a week) remind her that you are interested. Don't smother her, sometimes girls run to you when you give them space.
But you know, all girls are different and age matters a lot.
>>17330682
Yup gonna miss the crazy sex but its totally worth it, she's getting crazier and crazier.
>>17330475
>telling your girlfriend you've paid for sex
If you're dumb enough to blab that then you deserve to be dumped!
>>17330652
Break up with the whore and her shit spawns.
>>17330701
As a woman, I agree with this. I'd rather not know because if I knew, I'd dump the guy.
>>17330641
He is talking about a girlfriend. But I don't really know how to get a girlfriend, I just don't care.
>>17330699
Single mothers are crazy by default.
>>17330710
Just because she ruined her life by making the same mistake twice doesn't mean she's crazy.
>>17330658
>>17330682
There will be an age at which your choice is single mothers, women hunting for baby-seed, or landwhales / deranged girls, around 35 more or less.
OP is a bit too young to settle down for a single mom, but I don't see the point of all that hate. Most men of our generation will divorce and be single dads.
>>17330494
> But with virgins, there is the fear of one leaving me over the want of exploring other vaginas once they finally have gotten it from someone.
I've heard the opposite, that guys who are virgins into their 20s tend to get very attached to the women they eventually lose their virginity to. Personally I'd be lying if I said the thought of losing my virginity to a woman who has a sexual history wouldn't bother me but unless its something egregious like a history of cheating or dozens of careless ONS then I would think it a petty concern to be gotten over.
>>17330532
>>17330554
>>17330581
Well I'm seriously rethinking this. Let me ask this; is there a difference if the guy did it once just to lose his virginity and if he regularly paid for sex?
>>17330724
Do you feel like you are less "good" somehow because you're a virgin?
You have bigger issues to fix than the v-card. Relying so much on external measures of succes to measure your self-worth seems to be one of them.
>>17330713
Trust me she's fucking crazy. Everything okay for a year then started noticing her trying to cause arguments etc. Now she's like in her own mind like everything I say is a lie.
>>17330724
It's bad anyway. I find it concerning and wish you would respect yourself more than going to a prostitute. Your choice but I'd say don't do it. Try different ways of meeting women if that's hard. For example I'm what you'd call a "good girl", and I found my two boyfriends from school and online game. I don't go to bars and don't do Tinder.
>>17330713
lol
>>17330701
>>17330706
Its not something I'd spill on the first date but eventually I'd feel that, for the sake of honesty, I would like to tell the truth if asked.
>>17330741
>Do you feel like you are less "good" somehow because you're a virgin?
I have to figure it would make me worse in bed. Which isn't everything but its not nothing either
>You have bigger issues to fix than the v-card.
I know. I've heard that part of the reason women stay clear of virgins is not the virginity itself but the fact that it signals something is off. That is, its not that he's a virgin but why he's a virgin and to be honest I think that makes some sense.
I have some personal issues to sort out before I think about a serious relationship, I was just curious about the question of virginity.>>17330706
>>17330689
yeah, im not sure if she is interested desu. but i mean, why would she bother speaking to me again if she isnt interested, especially after thinking about it for a week, and knowing that i want a relationship with her. i normally contact her first but she texts me quite alot when she has the time and space. i just dont understand women.
>>17330716
If women can dump a guy because he slept with a prostitue, men have all the right to dump a girl who slept, had a relationship and kids with a man who didn't gave two shits about her.
>>17330779
>Its not something I'd spill on the first date but eventually I'd feel that, for the sake of honesty, I would like to tell the truth if asked
Okay, if she asked me "have you ever paid for a prostitute? and be honest!" then I wouldn't lie.
But I wouldn't just bring it up in conversation after she gets home from a stressful day at work.
>>17330784
Well, if I am not interested I just answer shit like
>haha :D
>i see
And never ever initiate conversation. But who knows what she wants, can't do much other than just wait
>>17330785
unless you date certain people, most of the time when kids are planned for the people cared for each other back then.
And even then. I'd rather date a woman who owned up and took the responsibility to take care of a kid she got in a ONS, than somebody who thought it was cool to murder the fetus just because.
So does everyone agree I should ditch the lass with 2 kids? I mean I love her but fkkkk. Half bottle gone. Wtf should I say to her?
>>17330800
Yes, do it.
Only stupid fucks would stay with a single mother.
>Wtf should I say to her?
Just leave her, she already knows what's like to break up.
>>17330792
>mfw a girl I know messages me shit like this
I guess I already figured she wasn't interested at all.
>>17330800
There are two issues that youngfags here can't tell apart, which is her kids being little turds and her being crazy.
Call her now and tell her the kids are becoming a massive problem and that you can't go on like that, and if nothing changes, you'll have to walk. Give her a last shot at showing she is not batshit and adressing the problems her children cause. If she turns crazy on you, then dump her.
>>17330795
Good for you, you are kind of person that make single mothers have relationships, now if the same could work for men who had a ONS with a porstitue.
>>17330788
That's more or less how I would go about it. Regardless of whether or not I go through with the prostitute thing I'm going to try and tip toe around the topic of my virginity/how I lost my virginity.
>>17330812
Shits getting real. Good advice mate but I think I'm just going to finish it completely straight away
>>17330830
Well you could just preface it by saying she was a slut instead of saying she was prostitute.
>>17330709
Haven't really skimmed the thread properly, but in the OP he states he's giving up platonic relationships as well.
>>17330814
I don't agree with men going to a prostitute either, but everyone can make mistakes. If they have understood the error they made, I hope the women they end up with can forgive them too. Men who go to prostitutes just to satisfy physical urges show lack of self control and insecurity.
Also, a ONS isn't a prostitute. A prostitute doesn't want sex with you, but you pay her, so she does it. Something one can be really proud of.
How the fk do you record on phone..? I'll show you how fkd up she is
>>17330812
How do you expect her to "fix" her kids?
If she kills or ditches them I would stay even farther away
>>17330792
haha. i appreciate the insight. she normally writes full paragraphs.
>>17330851
Ive tried to tell her how to controll them but she doesn't listen one bit. She hates being told what to do. Like I say she crazy
>>17330836
That would be pretty disingenuous. I'd rather avoid the question or answer it honestly but to be fair I might act differently if put on the spot.
>>17330841
>Men who go to prostitutes just to satisfy physical urges show lack of self control and insecurity.
For a lot of guys its not so much about satisfying the urge as much as it is demystifying the experiences. For a lot of older virgins our virginity makes us very apprehensive about getting close to women or even trying to approach them because you feel no confidence in your ability to take the relationship into an intimate direction and this is compounded by the fact that its generally accepted that men are the ones who do this. Personally even though I'm considering it I don't see it as an outlet for the urges. Even cheap hookers are fairly expensive.
For half the amount of money I would cough up for an hour with a lower end hooker I could get a decent amount of weed and jack off to scratch that itch but that doesn't build confidence.
>>17330873
Why not just go to dating site and fuck a fatty?
>>17330873
I was speaking more about people I know who are regular Johns.
I feel so old that I'm going to "son" people on 4chan soon, but, I think the issue is your apprehensiveness at taking relationships in an intimate direction. A couple women (I assume) have said here that first times are always awkward, even with people who aren't virgins. I'm not sure your lack of confidence will be fixed by you visiting a prostitute. On the other hand, if you obsess about it, get it done, but I don't think it's the best choice. It's like people who get nose jobs because they can't get over it, the problem isn't the nose but the fact they obess about it, and at some point they are such whiny cunts about hating it and how their nose stops them from getting girlfriends that you wish they got surgery already. Be aware that your insecurity might crystallize around something else though.
>>17330900
It is always awkward, try to understand it. No woman expects for a mindblowing orgasm the first time they have sex with a certain guy, unless you of course are stupid enough to promise something like that.
With one virgin the sex was like this
>kissing and all, I ask should we do it, he says yes
>we undress, awkwardly get under the blanket and continue kissing
>he gets on top of me, puts it in with some little difficulty which is making me awkward cause I feel like I am in the wrong position for him to enter
>he fucks me, it lasts for a few minutes, he cums and I had no idea it was his first time.
>>17330916
With a very experienced guy
>we kiss, I ask him should we do it, he says yes and we get undressed
>he gets on top of me, puts it in with some difficulty, then fucks me for a few minutes and cums.
No difference. Second time is where you can start to notice something.
>>17330900
>I think the issue is your apprehensiveness at taking relationships in an intimate direction.
Well yes but that stems from having no intimate experience with a girl. I never had awkward kissing behind the gym in middle school or awkward sex in the back of a shitty car my parents bought me in high school or anything like that. I never worked it out through those years of puberty like most kids so I'm basically a child in the realm of intimacy. So I don't think my apprehension is completely baseless or unreasonable.
As I said before I think I have some more serious issues to work out before this like finishing my studies, getting a career started, and getting some financial independence from my parents. But I'm 23 and the older I get the more my complete lack of sexual history weighs on me.
>>17330394
>In Europe it's totally different, we girls chase guys
Omw to Europe then...
>>17329771
Why would you need to swear off them?
I mean, you don't need to do anything you don't want to, of course. But why precommit to not changing your mind in the future? Maybe you'll find one that's worth all the hassle, who knows.
>>17329887
Extroversion =/= social skills.
>>17330921
>Second time is where you can start to notice something.
What do you mean?
>>17331033
Well if the virgin still doesn't know what to do and you don't know they are a virgin. An experienced guy would maybe start taking the girls shirt off the second time, virgin might be too scared. But god don't start stressing about the second time.
>>17331038
>But god don't start stressing about the second time.
Don't worry, I'll try to wait until the first time is in the rear view mirror before I do that.
I don't understand why virginity is something that YOU HAVE to lose it feels like entitlement, fuck there were people in old days of yore who lived their whole lives as virgins, and died as virgins as well, it's just so fucking dumb
>>17331085
Because it's something that occurs naturaly when you are a teen and sex is not hard to get.
If you missed it for a long time it is like a big sign with "i have a problem, judge me" written on it.
>>17331111
I don't know how it's supposed to occur naturally, especially when you're teen, explain please
>>17331124
That's when you start to go to parties, girls and boys start flirting and develop relationships, it's also when you start to experiment new things and meet new people, all those things togheter plus naiveness and hormones make sex a natural thing to happen.
>>17331148
Well shit, that explains I guess, never went to parties, and never will, but still I stand by my point virginity is such miniscule problem in life
>>17331085
Is it true if you don't use it you lose it?
>>17331164
It doesn't matter when you live your life but it is something against you when trying to have sex and 20+ virgins are not good at getting sex adding one more difficulty to it doesn't make it any better.
>>17331193
Well, if virginity is such huge problem find another partner that is non-virgin?
maybe your body wasn't designed for sexy time
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>>17329771
I am female and from Eastern Europe but I hated my life when I was teenager and in 20s. Young people are shallow, doesn't matter if male or female. Girls gossip about each ohter, compete even though I was thinking like a child and wasn't interested in sex at all, but they are still mean if you talk to their boyfriend and they choose female friends based on appearance. There are also female nerds but during my time they defined themselves as NOT wearing makeup and not trying to look pretty. So in a way they still judged others based on their appearance. I am also asexual so I didn't have any similar friends. Although I really recommend to develop yourself and live couple of years without dating for anyone. Everyone on Earth should do that because otherwise their choice to date is not really a choice but a habit.
I have also noticed that people even couple of years younger than me (I'm 31) who have grown up with internet are more childish, entitled and grow up much later. On the positiive side, there are many inventive people among them because they had all the information, they dress better compared to tracksuit Soviet style and they are culturally diverse, they don't identify with only one country.
The good news for you are that girls/women start to like you more when you hit 30, they are more grown up, less bitchy behavior and even pretty girls notice you
>>17331213
You are dense.
They aren't virgin by choice, they don't just find a partner, that's the whole point i'm making.
>>17331221
Indeed women do notice you when you're ripe, so you can provide for them, whilst they did shit, but fucked guys they deemed were hot in their teens and 20's, impeccable logic
>>17331213
And if you are poor just get money rite
>>17331231
they way you laid out your point was bizarre in-itself
>>17331238
Not an argument, vast majority of people aren't virgins.
Also if you're poor you gotta re-think where you spend your money
>>17329800
You're a piece of crap witha an awful personality and nobody can stand you
That's why you're alone
>>17330619
Time to go back to your safe space hun.
>>17330424
>>17330445
Then I hope you don't mind when guys dump girls after finding out, 1 year into the relationship, how many dicks she sucked when she was in college.
I am right with you. I'm 26, I work as a bartender, and I've gotten out of one really solid relationship that I regret ending. Girls are easy. As. Fuck. Fuck, now that I'm a bartender I literally don't even have to try; every weekend at least 3 or 4 sluts that came in will look me up and add me already.
It's fucking ANNOYING now.
>hey what are you doing this weekend?
Ignore
>when do u work??
Ignore
>lol WOW way to ignore me
Ignore
Then they come in when it's slow and just sit around waiting for attention because they let you inside them. Then they ask your friends and their friends. Finally after about 3 or 4 months, they tell everyone how horrible you are as you've already completely forgotten about their existence... Actually, I haven't had a serious adult conversation in a date setting in like 3 years. Good God.
>>17331348
>>hey what are you doing this weekend?
>asking a bartender
>>17331348
Don't take the slut blue pill. They're not worth it.
>>17331352
Eh, sometimes I open and close. Saturday I'm open for lunch and out around 7, off Sunday. Or sometimes there just loser party girls who are normally out at 230 am on Friday anyway
>>17330394
>In Europe it's totally different
yeah, no. (me germanfag)
>>17331356
I've been taking it since the break up, but got off New years this year. I actually feel kinda pathetic. Its been 6 months and I haven't seen a decent girl anywhere
>>17331348
they are probably easy because they are drunk.
>>17330394
europe is a big place, with different cultures. here in england girls dont chase guys. sorry, but its retarded when people act as though Europe is a country
>>17331379
None of the girls bathe or shave their armpits.
>>17330873
>For a lot of guys its not so much about satisfying the urge as much as it is demystifying the experiences.
That's a very good point.
>I could get a decent amount of weed and jack off to scratch that itch but that doesn't build confidence.
That's just it though. Women will hate you for taking the easy way out and going to pay for confidence. They instinctively feel like you need to EARN it, not BUY it. If you used a prostitute, it signals to them that you circumvented entirely the need to actually court a woman, make her feel special, and earn her trust and her cunt. That's a direct threat to their ability to feel secure with you.
>>17331376
Not at all. Most come in for a few beers and are usually socially inept, but not like neckbeards. I swear to God, whether its feminism or not, tons of chicks around here honestly believe guys want girls who drink, who like to hang out and be wild, and will literally lick cum off your dresser after the first date. Many of them are at a loss for not getting a call back after such a performance.. When in reality I'm only going to get a hold of them if I wanna watch someone lick my cum off furniture.
>>17331384
Well those women are fucking cunts anyway. Why would anybody want them?
>>17331401
i dont think women think thats what men want. i havent met a single man who wants a party animal gf, no one wants a wild girl. i think its just modern culture that women are able to do whatever they want and guys will still fuck them because guys will fuck anything. then both parties are miffed because the guy isnt going to stick around with some drunk slut and she probably repeats this process several times wondering why no one sticks with her.
>>17331111
>occur naturally
Please. Not everyone wants to go to parties, and often with good reason. In my experience at least, you aren't going to find yourself in a situation to lose your virginity unless you seek it out in some way. If you're a good kid and you do your homework and stay out of trouble, it's not going to just "happen upon you." I think that's true even as a female, at least in high school.
>>17331384
Where as women never have to pay for sex, or deal with the crippling blow of multiple rejection. I see it in my friends and it saddens me. One random slag gives them attention and they're in forever. Maybe they should pay for sex, get it out of their system, to build confidence and find that one
>>17331411
How are they cunts? It's their healthy instinct to want to bond to a man they feel they can trust. You can't responsibly trust someone you have no influence over. And they feel their influence over you is threatened if you pay for sex rather than earn it.
I have a friend who hasn't fucked with women, dudes or anything in 15 years. He's one of the happiest people I know. Some people need companionship but I think alot of it is forced by society. If you're happy alone than rock it til you're not.
>>17331449
I was happy when I was 15 too. It's not the same at 25
Women are trouble. It's just better to stay away from them. Maybe I just have bad luck, but they make awful friends too. They need attention constantly, you have to help them with everything and they gossip.
>>17331424
That's it, you're right
>>17331237
young people are superficial like I said. Actually, if a person hasn't experienced any kind of discimination based on appearance, s(he doesn't have enough life experience to be nice. Almost all attractive people who are nice have their hearts broken or mistreated by friends or something. Any person takes the life from their perspective unless forced otherwise. Young girls and boys are arrogant and selfish, it doesn't depend on gender
>>17330394
The only guys european whores chase are migrants because for some inexplicable reason, they crave mudslime cock.
t. European.
>>17330716
If those are the choices, the best choice is not to play, as the game is rigged against you.
No company is better than a bunch of used up whores with a bunch of nigglets in tow, deranged fatties, and other crazy as fuck women.
>>17330879
Fucking a fatty is even more desperate and despicable than fucking a prostitute.
>>17329850
well obviously it wont work if you are naturally an asshole and a piece of shit
>>17330475
> similar guy who went the extra step of paying for a prostitute?
not much different from a player casually fucking every chance he gets.
100% red flag.
virgin men are pure and wonderful.
This may not apply to all women, but I want pure innocent men. And I want to corrupt them for myself. :)
>>17331696
Virgin guy here.
Actually heard that quite alot online, but no woman would ever seem to admit it in person.
Then again, we're virgins for a reason. Keep that in mind.
>>17329771
I'm 23, and I have abandoned hope already.
I would like to have a family and children of my own at some point (that feeling is being further emphasized by the fact that most of my cousins have gotten married, and have children of their own, and some of them were barely older than I when they got their first kid) but I have realized that it simply won't happen to me.
It's far too late for me in this regard. I never developed the necessary social skills needed for basic human interaction, let alone interaction with females, during my teens, and nowadays I am basically a social retard in any group I try to enter. That's because I was super shy, and awkward during my teens, and had zero friends, so the only thing I did on my spare time was playing video games.
I have very little experience with even just interacting with girls, and though I recently did have a female friend I had a crush on, it all came crashing down for reasons I never quite understood, and I no longer have any contact with her.
I have just give up on those dreams. The game is rigged, and the only winning move is to not play anymore. The women of my age are for the most part, so much more experienced than I am (statistically, females are super loose here where I live), so to them, I am basically a preteen boy, experience wise.
I wish that there was a way to destroy the parts of your brain that make you want female companionship, just like you can get yourself sterilized.
Without this constant loneliness, and longing for a partner, I'd be much, much happier.
>>17331384
>That's just it though. Women will hate you for taking the easy way out and going to pay for confidence. They instinctively feel like you need to EARN it, not BUY it. If you used a prostitute, it signals to them that you circumvented entirely the need to actually court a woman, make her feel special, and earn her trust and her cunt. That's a direct threat to their ability to feel secure with you.
Well its not like I would want to keep paying for sex, it would be more of a one time thing to get through the experience of ditching the V-card. But I see what you're saying and I've even heard a variation of it before; the idea that women don't like the ability of men to pay for sex because it takes away their leverage over men.
>>17331700
Eh. I guess I got lucky with my bf. He is perfect and we're both in our twenties.
>>17331696
>virgin men are pure and wonderful
Said no woman ever.
28 year old fat virgin here. While I don't hate women, I disagree with the double standard they have about prostitution. They can go out and fuck anyone they want with little to no consequences who doesn't give a fuck about them but I can't pay a woman to fuck me? It's bullshit. It will take me years to fix my body to the point where I'm attractive enough to get laid and I'm tired of being celibate. I constantly hear that sex is not a big deal then why does it matter where I get it from as long as I'm not hurting anyone? It's so easy to look down on people like me because it's so easy for you to get laid that you can't possibly understand the motivations of people wanting to pay for sex.
All in all I hate this world and I hate myself. I don't blame women for not wanting to fuck me but God damned am I frustrated.
>>17329945
Lol you realize women are basically living masses of baggage? Dealing with all of their bullshit is considered standard dating procedure, and guys are fully expected to take it all.
Yet the instant a guy has any problems (which are only caused by women's problems to begin with) suddenly he's an undateable loser that no poor women should ever have to deal with.
I hope you can see how these double standards are part of the problem in the first place. Though I doubt you will.
>>17330005
MUH PERIODS
MUH IMAGINARY PAY GAP
>>17329945
>MGTOW is a toxic as fuck place, similar to feminists who think all men are pigs and unworthy
Huh. I never made that connection before.
They're just mirrors
>>17330879
Fatties on dating sites all still expect male modelay, for one thing.
>>17331876
Things that are opposites tend to be the same.
>>17330402
>Eventually you will come across someone who you feel is worth investing all that time and energy.
Not to sound silly, but is this really true ?
What if you're a guy with a job and actually exercises to improve his physique and still gets rejected even by the ugliest girls ?
>Meanwhile, don't force it.
Lastly, what if you see a really beautiful/hot young woman who's by herself ?
Most guys would talk to her or at least ask her something/anything.
I don't date because I'm shit at relationships.
I wouldn't say I've sworn off guys, but I more or less ignore them.
>>17329771
I've been single for 5 years now. I've kissed a couple of women but never had sex. It's not entirely my choice. I do get hang ups when women seem available to me, primarily because I feel like it's not a good idea.
Giving up on women is such a tempting choice. Bitter or not, attractive or not. If you're looking for a good match, there is no guarantee when or if you will find one. I'm all for putting yourself out there and being proactive but I'm also really wary of one sided relationships. More than anything I want a woman to "validate" my choice in her, I want to feel like it'll be appreciated and desired if I invest money, time and emotions into a relationship with her. I want women, but women don't seem to want me. Or if they do, it's just for sex and casual stuff. I want a deep, loving, long term commitment with somebody I like. It doesn't matter how much redpill I read or how often I get burned, I always want that same thing.
I have a friend who spent at least a few solid years asking out many women, going on a few first dates, being stood up, being ignored, being blown off. Then his sister and her husband saw this girl at a church or something and both agreed she'd be perfect for him. Sure enough they hit it off. It gives me hope because I know the hell he went through to get there. I had to listen to girls call him creepy behind his back. People would joke and laugh about how often he asked out girls, but one thing I can say is that he not only stuck with it and didn't give up, but he had solid boundaries and didn't settle on girls he wasn't compatible with.
>>17332729
>Then his sister and her husband saw this girl at a church or something and both agreed she'd be perfect for him.
As a person who was raised a mudslime sometimes I think my best option is to have some arranged marriage with some conservative hijabi girl.
Why do you need to "swear off" the other gender? If you don't want to date, don't date. It's not a drug.
>>17332765
Yeah I was raised Christian and sometimes that idea tempts me too. Unfortunately faith in anything just isn't for me.
>>17329771
I don't swear them off, I just stop giving a shit.
>>17330143
Whoa buddy I don't think you crammed quite enough /pol/ memes into that one short post.
>>17330416
>>17330424
>>17330445
>>17330701
>>17330706
lmao. All women are just vagina salesmen (oops, I mean vagina saleswomen, wouldn't want to offend) and you're just upset that prostitutes are selling the same product as you, but cheaper and more reliably and it could cut into your business.
After all, in a world without prostitutes that desperate guy would have had to pay YOU a bunch of money instead (just in the form of meals and dates) and after you'd strung him along for long enough, you weren't even required to actually fuck him afterwards! It'd be a perfect business, if only for those prostitutes.
It's this same mindset that makes so many women hate stuff like fleshlights, porn, guys just masturbating, even male-centric hobbies like video games. They don't want guys to have ANY outlet of sexual release (or sometimes even entertainment) that doesn't require them to jump through a bunch of hoops for some womens benefit first.
>>17332793
How did you stop giving a shit ?
I swear that I want to stop giving a shit about women and sex.
>>17332819
I didn't read any of the posts you were replying to, but you make a lot of sense. Nothing I didn't know beforehand, but you worded it all very well.
>>17332819
Any women that gets mad over a prostitute doesn't check her female privilege.
>>17332855
You can never truly stop. It's in your nature. At best I recommend just jerking off. Makes the pain stop for a while.
>>17330056
I agree with you about them having easy lives
But I think you mean ATTRACTIVE women.
I know a lot of average and ugly women, and their lives are pretty comparable to an average guy's life.
(Rejections, insecurity, average salaries, etc)
Don't forget the advantages attractive men have. (assuming they're confident as well)
>higher salaries (than less attractive men)
>more likely to be promoted to roles of leadership
>any entertainment industry is far easier to break into
and there are a lot of rich women, (who aren't necessarily hot or confident)
there's nothing stopping hunky men from marrying them for their money.
