People of /aco/, are there many of us "consuming" exclusively drawn/rendered porn? If so, why?
I know I am, an for ethical reasons. I'd much rather fap to an image produced by an artist rather than porn involving actual people, which may have been pushed into this industry by poverty, drug addiction, or other saddening circumstances.
Keeping the ethical note, please post only depictions of acts appearing to be consensual.
>>230096
lol retard
rape porn is best porn
How do you know a porn artist wasn't pushed into drawing porn by the same reasons?
>>230096
To mock you here's one of my favorite moments from the warlord rape comic
Good question, that might be true. But for an artist, who can create this stuff while remaining anonymous, it's certainly less stigmatizing. If at all.
>>230107
Good question, that might be true. But for an artist, who can create this stuff while remaining anonymous, it's certainly less stigmatizing. If at all.
>>230112
Green arrow* not green lantern. The artist is retarded
>>230096
Porn is acting. Drugs (uppers) can enhance an actor's performance.
>>230227
I think porn isn't just acting, the same way a strip club isn't a theatre. Both affect performers emotionally in a way acting doesn't. One also has to think about the context that led to this career path.
>>230112
God tier Rape comic
>>230096
>Keeping the ethical note, please post only depictions of acts appearing to be consensual.
The hell? You do realise that drawn characters aren't real people, right? And since the artist has the total control over them you could argue that from a meta-fictional statepoint all drawn sex is rape on both sides since fictional characters can't consent. It's like rubbing two action figures together.
>>230277
I agree, from the characters' standpoint there is no difference since everything is fictional anyway. The drawing itself can't be neither consensual or rape, it is a _depiction_ of an act which appears or not to be consensual. And the artist's intent in this respect is almost always clear. In this case, the ethical problem lies with the type of act being depicted, not with the protagonists.
>>230286
One could argue that the problem with rape content is similar to the one of lolicon. No person gets hurt in producing any of these. But both are in a gray area of depicting transgressions (lolicon is even illegal in some jurisdictions).
I do, everyday I look at sad panda, r34, pixiv an gelbooru to see new stuff of the day and maybe something that catch my eye and getting it into my colection.
Things with real people involved I preffer softcore (like german erotic comedies, Yulia Nova stuff or Russ Meyer movies).
>>230096
>>>/tumblr/
>>230151
I think you will find that it is superhero comics that are retarded.
i dont think it really matters. its all fake and they just give the people what they want.
>>230096
That's a fat ass. No wonder she ended up fucking a big brown guy called "beast"
>>230096
agreed
>>230096
I can't enjoy actual porn. I can only look at drawn/CGI porn.
I guess it just bothers me when it's with actual people.
when did 4chan become sjw?
i like drawn stuff because it can go places that you would be hard pressed to find real porn of
also most real women are unpleasant to be around and i can at least pretend the ones in the images have good personalities
>>230096
I can enjoy pinups of real people, but can't enjoy porn unless if it's consensual lovey dovey stuff.
Sex just for the sake of doing it does nothing for me and I wish there was more porn (both 2D/3D) depicting love and passion.
Love, that's my fetish.
>>234100
>when did 4chan become sjw?
When m00t got c[spoiler][/spoiler]ucked. Tumblr saw their chance and invaded.
I like vanilla and handholding and happy sex but I'm not going to pretend that my random fetishes are better than other people's random fetishes. It's really stupid kink shaming. A fantasy cannot be ethical or unethical. As for the porn industry, any industry may involve poverty or drug or slavery. There are underage workers in Nike shoe factories but it's not a justification to say that wearing shoes is unethical.
>>234250
naw, I've always been here
>>230325
I just read this out loud at Timmy's and someone called me for my bagel .
Said that's me in almost a continuation
Fml
>>230105
top kek
>>230096
The problem is not whether porn is "ethical", but how it affects those watching it.
If the porn consistently influences those watching it in a negative way (aka promoting misogyny [not even talking about the fetish, which is usually distinguished as fiction by those that have it] or rape), it can be said to be unethical. Thus, the entire reason for the push for positive porn is to remove the effect that negative porn impresses on the mind watching it, not to make it "woman friendly".
This is not even attacking anyone who watches negative porn. If they have enough of a brain to push off the ideas transmitted by it, then they are fine as an individual. The problem is the brain dead rapists who takes the porn and apply it to real life.
This is generally why modern, internet, high quality porn is better than other forms of porn. Because good art in its nature is very idealized, or in other words, on another plane of thought. This abstracts the ideas of the porn itself, making it seem better than the real world. It makes others less likely to commit its ideas to the real world, because why would you go back to earth when you have tasted the divine?
The funny thing in traditional western cartoon porn, almost universally, the shittier the art, the shittier ethically the art is. It probably the effect of the person making it not being as intelligent, and thus being a shittier artist.
tl;dr my autism:
#bandiaperthreads
#diaperthreadssupportrape
I hate real women and find their bodies disgusting. I'd rather fap to 2d. Plus most of my fetishes can't exist in 3d porn.
>>234427
Large double double please with timbits.
>>237172
>violent television makes people more violent
>violent video games make people more violent
>books involving questionable material should be banned ('Lolita', '1984', etc.)
>Dungeons and Dragons will make kids worship the Devil and/or become mentally ill
What you're saying is equivalent. I want you to think about that for a little while.
The real problem is that there are unhinged and unstable people who either can't distinguish the line between reality and fantasy. Worse, there are those who are predatory sociopaths who can, but simply don't care.
Consuming media does not by itself influence people to commit heinous or harmful acts. And it's unlikely that a person who wasn't already predisposed to do those act would be compelled to perpetrate said acts.
>>237294
>violent television makes people more violent
No, as watching tv is a mostly passive action. It might desensitize people to violence (which to a degree it does), but there is not as much pure emotion pored into it.
>violent video games make people more violent
It's possible, and more possible than the second, as there is generally more emotion being involved. That being said, its influence is mostly the same as the first one.
>books involving questionable material should be banned ('Lolita', '1984', etc.)
Again, the effect it has on people. Just because something has objectionable material in it does not mean everyone wants to become a fucking power hungry lunatic that thinks chasity is power.
>Dungeons and Dragons will make kids worship the Devil and/or become mentally ill
>implying people who still play DnD TM Hasbro TM aren't mentally ill
My point is whether porn presupposes people to do those acts, or enforces unethical behavior.
Due to the sexually energized nature of it, it is pretty clear that it can have a stronger influence on those that view it. In the same way religious fervor can make people believe atrocious things, sexual hormones can trick people into believing something because it makes the person's dick hard.
While positive porn is something that won't help people stuck in the gutter/assholes in the first place, it can definitely reduce the social implications it gives off, and keep people out of that gutter in the first place.
>Image for irony's sake.
>>234266
Well put.
what a saint
get over yourself
>>237172
>Implying there is an actual problem and you aren't just making up hypothetical situations that don't occur in the real world.
>>230096
>ethical
>>230096
That girl has her back broken.
honestly, OP, I can't enjoy real porn anymore because of that. only from big companies and even that, I get weird thinking about if someone is getting dicked/dicking and thinking "god I rather be dead rn". plus 3d porn is a full world of fetishes and possibilities, impossible in rl. all gain and no pain.
Complete agreement OP.
>>237172
Or how about you let people do what they want with their lives if they aren't bothering anyone?
If they want small penis humiliation, man hating or netorare, or if they want rape, harem and mysogyny... let them fucking be?
I prefer "ethical" porn as well. But not for the same reason, nor do I look at it that way. My main turn on in porn is passion. Consensual, but focusing on the woman. Nothing's sexier to me than a woman really getting into it, really enjoying it.
I don't care how a woman gets into porn. In the end, her decisions and her actions put her and keep her there. The reason I usually prefer 2D porn is because a good artist can make the passion more convincing. Pornstars, meanwhile, are shitty actors. Some are good at getting into it and exhibiting passion and enjoyment of the act, which I love, but I never see love. And I'm a sappy faggot, so I crave that shit.
>>238543
>>230096
Right there with you, OP. I also feel that drawn/rendered porn has a lot more freedom in expression than what acted porn has to offer. Not just in the /d/ realm, but also what >>238537 is getting at: drawn porn can really express passion, desire, and enthusiasm in a way that physical porn can't seem to get close to.
Maybe it's just because everybody at least kinda hates their job, but I feel like everybody involved in physical porn just doesn't want to be there.
>>230112
I came here just to say fuck you.
>>230096
Porn isn't ethical by any means. You aren't superior for fapping to 'ethical' porn. Also, you can make good money acting in/drawing porn. There is always another option, no one is forced into doing porn, they do it because it's easy. Anyone can get a job in food service but some much rather prefer porn. I'm sick of this 'forced into it' meme. Also, rape porn is fine since everything about it is F I C T I O N A L.
>>238672
>Porn isn't ethical by any means.
lolwut
I've honestly never understood why people think this.
>>238679
I mean, what is so fundamentally wrong about porn?
>>238556
>>238736
>>238753
It is still the sexualization of women except primarily males are making the money from it. The ethical aspect is questionable tho it is true a woman's physical body is not involved. *shrug*
>>238765
Tell that to Sakimichan.
I don't like video porn because of aesthetic reasons, not ethical ones.
Some pictures are okay but only if they appeal to my horrible fetishes, and drawn fap does that way better.
>I know absolutely jackshit about the porn industry
OP: always a faggot.
>>237172
>because why would you go back to earth when you have tasted the divine?
You haven't tasted shit.
All you have done is mentally masturbated to a bunch of power fantasies. You had to convince yourself a bunch of increasingly-specific fetishistic ideas are erotic because you've masturbated your virginal dick so raw to regular porn you can't get off to it anymore.
You have overloaded the fucking reward system of your brain and now you require much higher doses in order to get your high. You're literally no different than a mentally-diseased gambling addict in a endless deathly spiral of self-reinforcing, escalating toxic behavior.
>>237294
I pretty much agree with you, but in all seriousness, saying that media consumption does not by itself
influence people is naive. Of course some are more liable to commit certain acts based on that influence, but we are surrounded by media everyday, in all forms, and I don't believe you have never been influenced by it.
Seeing sex and violence in movies, games, comics, etc. dulls our senses. Our awareness of how much it surounds us is lessened if we don't sit back from time to time and reevaluate what we are bombarded with each day. I don't think censoring is the way to go, but pretending media don't affect us and our perception is even less helpful if not downright harmful.
Also, half-related, I’d like your opinion on the following:
There are video games where the only objective is to make an avatar do horrible stuff to other beings (in the chosen universe, sometimes “our“ universe) and rewards the player for actively seeking to hurt as many as you can as much as possible.
I'm curious as to where/if you would draw a line somewhere.
>>230112
please, whats the name of the comic or where can I find it?
>posting consentual sex
Dude, the entire fucking reason I like drawn shit is because it lets me jerk it to rape and bondage without feeling like a shitheel.
That and porn stars who will do those shoots look like garbage.
>>238543
looks liked chewed up bubblegum.
>>230096
What's it like being a kek?
>>234250
lol how can you be that retarded?
>>238556
Holy shit this is cute
>>237172
nah the idea of not wanting to support something where the people producing it are exploited (and there's a LOT of exploitation in the pornographic film industry by nature of desperate people being more likely to pursue the work and the fact that most "regulation" is actually just attempts to ban it any disguise) is way less dumb that the idea that watching it will make people worse, especially since it's not like one can realistically affect what anyone other than oneself chooses to watch. I mean, it's still KIND of dumb because there is no ethical consumption under capitalism (after all, there was plenty of exploitation in the various steps from harvesting materials to finally providing OP with the electronic device he peruses his 'ethical' pornography and posts on 4chan with) but way less dumb than what you're talking about.
>>230096
Tumblr Sentai C-U-C-K-U-R-A-N-G-E-R!
>>230096
Are you retarded, bro? Like, are you retarded?
>>238765
>muh female form
Doesn't matter, they are not real people. Instead the artists creates these characters and sexualises them, if they happen to be male there are no women involved in it anywhere.
Identification with your gender is just a spook.
Having said that, most 3d porn is just really really bland. It's always:
>look I have a pair of tits
>guess I'll play with my pussy for a bit
>you like that don't you ;)
>oh gee, who is this naked gentleman?
>what a big cock, *slurp slurp*
>time to spread my legs and lay back for a bit
>this hole too? oh no!
>better get back to my knees and await the load
It's really only suitable for 14 year old boys with no imagination.
>>240051
>media consumption not influencing people
I never said that. Media can inspire, anger, galvanize, depress, cultivate fear, and do all manner of things. But a person is still responsible for their own behavior. Acting as though media can simply override a person's agency is equally naive.
Ultimately, how a piece of media affects you is YOUR responsibility.
>exposure dulls the senses
Certainly. But there's a very real difference between cartoon gore and real gore. As an example, exploding body parts in say, Fallout 3/NV does not bother me a whit, nor does horror movie gore. But show me real people blown to bits by IEDs? I get sick to my stomach and my blood runs cold. I don't like seeing it, and all the cartoonish gore in the world doesn't make it easier to see or watch.
>video game violence/sadism
It's all escapism. GTA has you regularly assault, murder, steal, and violate all manner of laws as part of the mission based structure of the game, but it doesn't MAKE you murder prostitutes to get your money back.
And even if you do that because you're a cheapskate in game and don't want to pay money for healing... It's a game. That digital prostitute is not a person. It's a bit of code and art assets that looks vaguely like a human being.
I once, on a bad day, killed every NPC in Half-Life 1 that I came across. However, 10+ years later, I do not own a shotgun, and feel no urge to turn one on my fellow beings. Being able to separate fiction from reality is one of the hallmarks of being of sound mind.
Bumping because I believe 2D porn is more ethical than 3D and also so I have time to type out my response.
>>230096
I'd say all porn is ethical as it decreases instances of domestic abuses and rape.
http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/1961to1999/1999-effects-of-pornography.html
However, 2D porn is even more ethical because it doesn't involve any risk of STDs for, or the coercion of, a real person, to reiterate what OP stated.
>>230096
I think the people who are giving you a hard time are those who can't find a better way to say that your definition of ethical doesn't translate well when it comes to porn.
Pornography is just a means of sexual stimulation from visual projections. These projections can be seen or perceived in the mind. Real or drawn, there are those who get assblasted by seeing or perceiving a fantasy, regardless if it's consensual or exploitative.
Now if you're touching on exploitation, then yes, 3D pig disgusting real porn is all about exploiting the performers and those porn "stars" know that they are being exploited. Most of them are usually fucked in the head already, and they are so fucking useless at a lot of things that these degenerates resort to something basic that technically anyone can do.
Whereas drawn porn, 'Anything is possible' (TM). It doesn't have to be arousing or passionate; it can be silly or over the top; it can be cringy or weird; it can be a mix of the three. Some are into drawn stuff for amusement, though some drawings can arouse the viewer depending on these factors: the fetish, the art style, and the artist's drawing skills. Also there's no exploitation involving real people and the porn artists are mostly sane (everyone's different though). No other things to worry about such as STIs or other regulations when it comes to performing porn. Not only that, people are willing to make a donation or support an artist if he/she produces great content constantly, whereas it seems pointless to pay for 'real people fucking' porn.
JMHO
>>230096
I don't understand.
Well I fuck my girlfriend, and I jerk off for myself. This feels less like cheating, and caters to my fetishes better.
>>237172
god i fucking hope this is b8 and if its not i hope you get gang raped by bison
I'm with OP 100% on this.
Those in disagreement, stating that it's all "ethical" because it's fiction, are not wrong. That's a totally valid point and everyone is free to decide upon their own tastes.
But, their own character, as a person who consumes and/or creates art, is equally up to them to choose.
What it comes down to for me is, if an artist chooses to depict ANYTHING involving rape, violence, abuse, pedophilia, or a certain kind of degeneracy with clear intent to invoke sexual arousal in the audience, that's a stark reflection of their being that renders me completely, irrevocably unable to enjoy absolutely anything that they make.
I want to respect the artist. If they're the kind of person that gets off on that, or is otherwise happy with people getting off on their work that depicts subjects as outlined above, that ends.
It's 100% black and white, and has happened numerous times for me, and will most likely continue to happen, over and over. I'm under no illusions, and I'm fine with that. Because those are my tastes, based on my principles.
Again though, those who disagree aren't wrong, and there's indisputably room enough on the internet and boards like these for all types.
>>230240
I am pretty sure acting exacts an emotional toll on the actors, just like any performance art. A lot of actors have suffered pretty serious emotional difficulties after playing difficult roles. I am thinking, particularly, of Heath Leger's drug problems after playing the Joker.
and, really, any performance art demands that the performer put real emotion into the performance. otherwise it feels flat. this goes for porn actors, as well. you can always tell who is really into it, and who is just faking it for the camera
>>230096
I am pretty sure a lot of people get into porn for the same reasons they do any other job: they like it, they can tolerate the grind, they are good at it, and they need to do SOMETHING for money.
maybe it used to be that everyone on screen was abused and on drugs, but it is definitely not that way, now. check out some interviews with porn actresses. Siri answers a lot of Questions on Quora.com, and the Working podcast has a pretty interesting interview with a porn star. I forget her name...
>>234100
I have been on 4chan since 08. my question is, when did SJWs become a boogeyman meme that every 14 year old wannabe badass cries about when normal people start talking? oh, wait, I know when, because I have been here watching it happen.
>>233702
why do white people hate booty? especially since so many white girls have thick booty?
>>252073
Before '08 , ya retard.
>>237172
>shitty art = shitty ethics
I noticed that! people who create demented, ultra fetish crap are usually bad artists. its like they get good enough to draw what makes their dick hard, and never go beyond that. There is no love of the craft of art. they just want to make jerk off material.
I usually associate artists with looser morals, but it seems there is a limit to the artist's depravity. I guess someone who is willing to study good technique, put in hours of practice, and expand their skills is a more emotionally balanced person?
or maybe it is the other way around? more beautiful art makes twisted images more appealing? I mean, you could practically put this pic on your wall, despite it being about a girl fantasizing about all the neat stuff she can cram into her pussy and ass
>>252092
Define "fetish crap". I find cuuckoling ultra shitty and yet most artists draw it very well.
Also you need to realize that most artist draw what sells and people paying money for porn want things that can't be found easily on the net.
>>252092
>cocktopus monster
Fucking kek
