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This is a general about slave trainer games, and the creation of games where you play a male and dominate women etc. Discussion about games not being created here is also acceptable. This Op is a work in progress.

If you're working on a game and want to list a pastebin here speak up please.

Major Versions of the game (BT is necessary for mods):Silver edition and Russian edition are the most active
Each of these is a standalone game, not a mod for any of the others. BASICALLY the links to download the games are in this pastebin.
http://pastebin.com/kA21ncJK

Maverick wrote a guide for scripting. Shows how to write/structure scenes for coders. Good for idea-guys & script-writers:
http://pastebin.com/gRyrGgDt

Info on character generators:
http://pastebin.com/CaevjctD

Links to other games
http://pastebin.com/7CHVFKWM

Rogue-like by Oni
http://pastebin.com/gLGH6Va0

Korra Trainer/Breaking Bat/Incredibles trainer/Tifa trainer (Anon projects not related to Witch Trainer)
http://pastebin.com/K5NC3Tk1

Contact info for major contributors:
https://quip.com/I2f8AaPEEr0a

Report & ignore shitposters, people that scream proxyfag/samefag/waifu/waifufag, people that post beast and hamplanet attention whores
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First for the faith age
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>>194515
Second for loli
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Can you add my contact info and the Momcest page to OP for the next thread? Thanks :)
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>>194515
Golden age
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>>194518
>op in charge of anything
please
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>>194518
Momcest page?
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>>194521
http://momcesttrainer.blogspot.ca/
This is what we have so far, I'm going to ask for edit permission so I can show process in art and show you guys how the art is coming along as well.
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>>194524
It's been in the pastebin and you're added to the contacts.
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>>194512
Ben ten
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>>194526
Cool :) Thanks for everything
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>>194524
http://pastebin.com/K5NC3Tk1
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>>194529
Anon pls
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>>194530
If you ever create an imgur or something you plan on updating to show off art just mention in it the thread and it will end up in a pastebin.
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>>194529
I'd fuck an alien frog girl
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>>194535
Who wouldn't
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>>194529
You will now be known as Ben ten anon
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>>194536
fags
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>>194535
>>194529
I tried. I now know that I can't write.
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>>194542
Well, I always thought the sex between Ben and Looma would have gone like this: http://www.hentai-foundry.com/stories/user/Kuroshio/17232/Commission-Ben-Tens-Big-Wedding-Night/43415/Chapter-0/Wedding-Night
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>>194559
Dude, give it up.
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>>194567
Hes not even me the ben ten guy
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>>194628

Oh, scriptnigger, what would we do without you?
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>>194627
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KHAN, when's the next witch trainer update and what will it contain?
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Greetings from new york, ill be back to posting art tomorrow when i get home
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>>194780

Take you time, man. Have a nice day and some fun.
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>>194780
>Craft & Crative of League of Legends
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>>194773
Today and this include your mom
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>>194806
thank you based khan
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>>194806
Kek
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so has anything been done in the last month?
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>>194946
artguy probably redrew Cho again
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>>194946
>>194959
We have a new artist.
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>>194780
All those league whores are just begging to be enslaved and trained, if only a trainer game could feature all of them.
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>>195106
ahahaha I plan on applying there, it'd be pretty bad if I drew that stuff.
It's been pretty cool here, I talked to one of my idols and he complimented my work :)
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>>195097

We have a lot of new guys.
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>>195117

I wish you all the good things in the world, man. It's so great to have you here.
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if ben 10 trainer is a thing and Looma isn't in it I'll be disappoint.
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Why aren't games like Slave Maker or Slav Maker mentioned in the OP?

They are great games
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>>195197
This general is to casual for Slav Maker
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>>195117
Wouldn't it make sense for you to make a league trainer to help you practice drawing the actual characters
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>>195148
>>195223
The thirst is starting to get real in this general. Let the man finish one project at least.
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>>195197

jack o nine has a good concept but wasn't done well. i'm an amateur and could make my own game engine (for jack o nine's needs) that had better save control and keyboard navigation.

there's numerous other problems with it like

1) lack of progression or purpose. i think you can increase reknown? but beyond that what really is the point. once you do it one time in the game there's no enjoyment in training anymore.

2) sloppy game mechanics like all those random clients that want a certain kind of slave. it would be more interesting if there were quests and you met them along the way.

3) no original art means it will only ever be better than other shit games like slave trainer or the completely shit ashford academy(hentai highv2?)

some of the random events are funny, like a slave you got from the auction being the host of a fiend. i was shocked the first time a slave got ripped apart and died.
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>>195226
he can finish any of his projects, but I want that red alium ass when it comes time for ben10.
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>>195255
please dont ever stop
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>>195256
You know that's not made by the too many trainers guy right?
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>>195256
>>195258
yeah, it clearly says 2013 in the corner, bro.
But if you want me to shit the thread up with inspiration for TMTG, I absolutely can do that.
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>>195117
So, how much progress you've made so far on the Momcest Trainer?
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>>195305
lol go back to weg, you false flagging kek
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>>195312
shut up you dumb shit. this lazy ass "game" is trash and the artist is dogshit. am i supposed to enjoy a cheap gif tier animation ? or a single drawing done over and over 500 times ?

This is nothing more than spam, it's just a single shitty drawing that makes the entire game there is
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reminder to report false flagging shit posters
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>>195277
Theres about 24 pages of sketches and concept thats been revised after getting feedback from the team, a bunch of outfits, other models and characters planned. More will come when i get home
I got tons of advice from my idol :)
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>>195117
did you show him your nsfw work?
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>>195431
No i showed him my personal work :) i might show you guys one day
Maybe
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>>195436

You mean, your non-porn stuff?

L-lewd!
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>>195436
aw, i think we would love to see more of your artwork, even the sfw ones
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With all the lewd art as of late all I can think of is this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pusZXECS0mM
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>>195440
One day.. Maybe when im not worried about my work being connected
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>>195496
or you can own it like a boss

what about the artist mentioned earlier that worked for riot but also draws nsfw?

he's getting a whooping $19k a month solely from patreon. That's just... insane.
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>>195500
Hes an established artist, if i come out with lewd stuff ill be labeled as a lewd artist forever :0
Id rather be an established artist and then be like hey guys heres stuff i do on the side
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>>195506
yeah, i see your point.
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>>195506
fair point, I dont think anyone would hire Shad in real life if they knew what he drew
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>>195511
Cause he fucking sucks at drawing and refuses to improve.
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>>195521
I like him

People who dont usually have too high a standard and usually didnt live on the internet during early 2000's where everything was trash
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>>195526

The 90's and early 00's were a dark time.
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>>195526
Having high standards is how we push the industry forward and to excel. Everyone has the potential to grow we just have to reach it
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Haven't visited this thread in about 6 months. Did any of those hopeful projects ever come out?
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So what's the difference between bitch trainer and witch trainer? Because i already played and finished the latter...
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>>195542
In Witch Trainer, you train Hermione and that's it.
In Bitch Trainer, you have Witch Trainer and Princess Trainer. Meaning, besides Hermione, you also get to train Jasmine in Agrabah.
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Correct me if I'm wrong her but if we follow the games a bit shouldn't the timeline concerning PT, WT, and the other games be something akin to this. Magic Shop then Witch Trainer followed by Princess Trainer and then Iris Quest, that's my hypothesis at the very least.
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>>195541
Mostly betas or alphas. Check the OP for links. Development is slow.
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>>194512
Do any of these make modifications to the princess trainer game, or are they all just mods of witch trainer?
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>>195777
No mods to PT right now, people waitng for gold edition and a "Finished product" to start making those. Like if Akabur were going to finish anything kek
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Hey guys, all wrapped up with the event. Met some awesome people, got some awesome feedback. Met a ton of rioters. Even shook hands with Riot Dash!
I'll be back tomorrow with momcest and maybe some star wars drawings. Maybe ben 10? or incredibles or frozen. Who knows. Maybe I'll draw some league champs to celebrate the trip
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>>195925
draw some Sejuani, theres never enough of her.
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what is this I'm hearing about a 4houses mod and why is it not listed in the OP? can anyone fill me in on what it is?
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>>195989
>can anyone fill me in on what it is?
It's basically a mod that adds 4 new characters to with trainer each representing a different house.
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>>196052

where can I get it?
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>>196054
When it's finished
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>>195989
4 Houses is cancelled. nvm it.

Artguy said if we didn't hear from him for 2+ weeks it would be cancelled. It's been 17 days.
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>>196087
>Artguy said if we didn't hear from him for 2+ weeks it would be cancelled. It's been 17 days.
It hasn't been that at all He post a few days ago fuck off
>>195989
A mod the artist is just busy
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>>195585
That timeline makes no sense in the Russian version though. I prefer not to bother with timelines myself.
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>>194689
quit sucking his cock nigger we don't want him posting anymore public shit than he already does
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>>195925

Thanks man, that's great.
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>>196479

Oh, lol guy, what would we do without you?
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>>196489
>what would we do without you?
Enjoy a better /stg/.
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Any news of any fuking slave game ?

have lot of time wihout news of
Iris quest
Library storuy
Rouge like
Korra trainer
Dragon ball trainer etc etc
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>>196618

It's all dead, Jim.
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>>196618
>Rogue-like
Rogue-Like 11/5 status update

[stuff about implementing the new pose and his workflow]

So the next version you guys will see should be the "feature complete" version of Rogue-Like, the final beta before the official 1.0 release. After that, I don't expect to add any new features right away, I'll just collect bug reports and patch those up so that the 1.0 release is as bug-free as possible, and then put that 1.0 release out. Once that's squared away, I start work in earnest on Rogue-Like 2.0: Kat Fancy, adding Kitty to the game, along with various other features that Rogue should be able to take part in as well.

With any luck, this version will be faster to develop, since a lot of the core mechanics will already be in place, and I just need to rewrite dialog, add the art assets, tweak the stats, and then add in the new features I'd like to have (such as 3-ways). The next character after that, I'm really strongly leaning towards Emma Frost, but I'm open to compelling alternatives. I hope that I can count on your continue support, both financially, of course, but also in terms of calling out the various bugs in the game so I can fix them up. You guys were invaluable in tracking down a few pretty annoying glitches, mostly due to spelling errors and misplaced variables. ;) I'll also need fresh opinions about the "balance" of the game, because I made some tweaks that should make it harder to earn her favor, not least of which was a glitch in the early game that maxed out one of her stats in a way that never should have happened.

Anyway, thanks again, and I hope that the final build lives up to expectations.

>others
Don't know. KIA/MIA
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Thanks for the info
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>>196618
Yes, new ones are on the way
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>>196618
Stat wars game
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RIP Artguy & Four Houses
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>>196700
I hope they finally realized that witch trainer can't be made desireable. They should just drop it and start something new
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>>196700
>>196707
Every time he mentions being but for a bit the shitposters come out
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Tropic I wanna your blood, son of a furry
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Jesus Khan, calm down...
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>>196907
I'm bored
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Don't mind me just waiting for Injustice to finish.
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Hello shitlords!
Any of you familiar with the Jack-o-nine-tails game?
I'm doing a re-make of the game with a different engine, code re-write without all that senseless slav code...

In which case I have the opportunity to change some gameplay features or improve them. As such I would for you to voice your opinion and suggestions on gameplay features or improvements to be made.

For example the stamina/action system, I've thought about a time-of-day action system, similar to akabur for example (and plenty other h-games). But I'm still looking if a better alternative is out there.

If you're interested:
http://www.hongfire.com/forum/showthread.php/447385-Jack-0-Nine-2-development-thread
https://github.com/Gfurst/Jack-o-Nine-2
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>>196943
just make the girls easier to train

theres loads of useless ones in the original
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>>196943
>Any of you familiar with the Jack-o-nine-tails game?
yes and it's shit
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>>196896
Sorry Khan Tropic is our based creator now

You have no power here
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>>196992
No not even close. Every here is better than tropic except for one person who hides himself and what he's doing.
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>>197013
I don't think that person actually exists

/weg/ has been up for ages with no sign of them showing off their Hermione game
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>>197136

Thank you man, that's great.
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For some reason, my post got deleted. I'll try to post it again

I have a blog now that I'll use to post future updates for my Frozen game.
I'm still around though and I'll inform you when there are new updates.
http://waltsquest.blogspot.de/
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>>197149
It might be the link, blogspot gets seen as spam
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did ome of you guys know how to reach the fifth ending of the last book in witch trainer?
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>>197185
Ending 1: Dont get one of the other endings
Ending 2: Choose option 1 every time
Ending 3: Choose option 2 every time
Ending 4: Choose option 3 every time
Ending 5: Choose option 1, 2, and 3 at least once each, after having gotten endings 2-4.
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>>196625
Nice
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Yo ho!
I'm back home, gonna go grab some dinner and then I'll be back to pumping out some art work :)
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>>197274
Fast.....
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>>197274

Great to have you back! Did you have fun?
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>>197276
I'm dedicated to you guys <3
>>197278
Tons, I got a lot of feedback, and I know what to work on now. From time to time I might do some studies, they're not interesting to look at but I can post them up if you want. :P
Recruiters are coming to my school next semester so I'm gonna be trying to put together a portfolio.
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>>197290

>I can post them up if you want

Whetever you have, post it: I'd love to see some of your more finished art.
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Anyone heard from artguy?
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>>197149
I guess that you are rendering that somehow, so my remarks will be easy to take into account :
Something was odd in your image and I was not finding what. I checked where the horizon line is and it is quite high. In interior shoot, we are used to have the horizon line on shoulder level, so I have drawn a quick (and dirty) standing pose near the door with the shoulders on the horizon line.The door is really small in fact, but the real matter is that the window is a little too high.
I think that you can correct all that by pushing up the size of the door and by lowering the position of the horizon line.
Oh and I think that a 10k pix picture is way too big to post it on an image board ...
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>>197326
I really didn't notice that. Thanks for pointing it out. I'll fix it immediately.
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>>197274
Who might this be?
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>>197353
A practice sketch
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>>197357
What what things do you need to focus on, that you learned from your heroes? Proportion and things?
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Just saw the hypno slave "last" post. Am I the only one who's really hyped about this game? Also, WTF IS WRONG WITH HER ARMS? ARE THOSE NAILS ON HER ELBOWS BONES?
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>>197369
What game is this?
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>>197369

I'm on their patreon and this fuckers look like they'll never put out THE FUCKING DEMO!
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>>197369
the more I see the less I like

way to over the top with the physical abuse

I don't get off to gore
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>>197391
Gee, that's a surprise for /stg/. Never would have thought otherwise.
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>>196797

2 weeks. he's gone and four houses is cancel khan is our only hope now
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>>197401
He hasn't been gone for two weeks fuck off.
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>>197364
Its specific things you wont see here
I draw differently on this board :P
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>>197391
That's the only thing that I saw that's a little bit over the board. The beaten up chick is more like ryona to me, but the thing that appeals more to me is the slave's customization. This chick was normal couple pics ago, now she is like that? That's some sick customization, but if they are going this far, at least the other ones are top notch.
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>>197369
I'm guessing it's augmentation,like they're adding robotics and stuff to make her better at fighting
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>>197357
I was talking about who the character is?
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>>197604
I think it's the girl from momcest
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Anyone have links for the online generators? Can't figure out how to work the .psd files for shit.
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>>197450
How's star wars trainer coming along?
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>>197683
I've been super impressed by the programmer, I'm gonna draw some stuff tonight, what would you guys like to see?
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>>197697
Designs for the characters in the game
and sexy poses
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>>197697
Programming has started already?
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>>196943
Allow us to train waifus instead of generic girls.
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>>197751
he's that good :)
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>>197773
duck
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What the fuck? There's a Frozen trainer now?
What about Jungle Trainer?
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>>197811
>What about Jungle Trainer?
Hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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>>197816
?
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>>197820
If you ever thought jungle trainer was a thing you are retarded.
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>>197808
ben ten
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I'm too tired to draw any decent so I'm gonna go to bed, here's some sketches I did. I still can't decide how to draw her... orz
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>>198048
who is this
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>>198048
middle ones best
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>>198048
pretty gud I like the bottom left one
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>>198048
Bottom left is good
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>>197369
I think a more important question is how has her arm not gone septic from all those implants? I mean yeah I'm okay with a little physical augmentation but not shit like this, its just a gore fetish at that point, for me personally.
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>>198048
Bottom left is the best.
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>>196943
My suggestion is to remove all the useless rooms where the guy is only interested in buying a certain type of slave off of you. This would also get rid of a lot of the more extreme porn found in that game.

I suppose you could still keep this gameplay mechanic if you want to, but just make it a list of slave types instead of a large part of the environment.
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>>197811

Did you come from the past on a time machine from retards?
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>>194512
MOTHERFUCKER OP delete that our version is not full translated
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morning guys, I'm still recovering from my trip. I'll be here answering questions all day.
I won't be doing requests however because that will slow down game development. :P
Anyways have a nice day guys!
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rip artgoy
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>>198718
I assume that's Padme, it looks good. Any way, I was wondering if there will be any extra costumes or body mods in the game?
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>>198718

That's just as well: my only request was for you to keep working on your projects.
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>>198722
What do you mean by body mod?
Like this?
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>>198730

How can one man be so unbelievably based?
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>>198730

what about lewd outfits and lingerie?
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>>198730
Options are nice, but I'd prefer the defaults to be relatively canon proportions.
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>>198730
Yes that's great!
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>>198730
Yh, that's what I was thinking.
>>198735
This to, plus maybe hairstyles or piercings.
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>>198736
Yeah I'm aiming the defaults to be canon. :)
Even though I'm not extremely knowledgable. That's why I have 4 or 5 people breathing down my neck about continuity.
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>>198718
It looks nice and I like it a lot, but her left wrist is wrong making the foreshortening of her left forearm looking off.
Her thigh are too shorts, that make her look a little heavy. She is not a tall character but she has a slender silhouette.
The right arm is too thick as well.

But still it's good and I love the pose.
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>>198740
Yeah I noticed while I was drawing, but it was done super quick, i haven't worked out all the kinks yet. :P
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Even WT Silver is dead? :-(
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>>198741
Good to see your open to criticism.
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>>198745
I don't think an artist that isn't open to criticism can be called an artist.
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>>198741
It's a lot better !
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>>198741

Even better. Godspeed, man.
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>>198751
Yeah I'm working on the menu screen now
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>>198754

From his face I'd guess that's for Ben 80.
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>>198757
Ben downy more like it
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>>198757
lol its that bad huh?
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>>198764

Much better.
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>>198765
ok then
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>>198765
>>198788
Always here, always shitposting like your life depends on it.
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>>198807
On a scale of 1 to 10 how many fucks do I give . None
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i like this board
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>>198383
> remove all the useless rooms where the guy is only interested in buying a certain type of slave off of you
can you elaborate? do you mean the shoppers that accept only very specific slaves?

>>197772
> Allow us to train waifus instead of generic girls.
what do you want here? custom maid?

>>196959
you're shit...
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>>198764
>>198778
based too many projects
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>>196943
if you have that much free time in your hands, why don't you waste it on an actual good game?
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>>198898
define "actual good game"
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>>196952
>>196959
>>198898
>wah it's to hard therefore its shit
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>>198898
Jack o garbage is shit that's just a fact.
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>>198778
You can do so much better that this one is very disappointing. Poor perspective, your generic female face (we still have to see your generic male face, by the way), symbol instead of shapes ...
I understand that you did it in 2 minutes and that's impressive, it's not bad either, it's just that you showed us that you can do a lot better if you challenge yourself a little.
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>>198936
I draw everything in a certain way first to understand and memorize their features :)
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>>198936
I'm doubling up posts, but can you e-mail me if you're willing to skype or something. I need someone to constantly nag me about my bad habits. :)
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>>198945

Then you have come to the right place.
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>>198919
its a waste to have girls in the game that are too easily broken and therefore untrainable

its not difficult its flawed and time consuming

I know stg likes shitty porn games that are mainly grinding other things before the lack luster pay off but not all of us have the time to waste on such shit
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So has SR7 said anything about being able to talk to the heroines in injustice trainer?
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>>198972
So what the gameplay feature/improvement do you suggest?
One of the best features of Jack is the depth in the attributes of the slaves, pride, nature, temperament, even if some of these are more for role play, having very different character range is the charm of the game...
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>>198951
my e-mail is in the contact link in OP's post.
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>>199000
Art is just a hobby for me. I have only done 2h of live drawing session per week during 8 year , so I start to have an eye for anatomy and some perspective, but you are definitely a better artist than me, so I feel bad each time I "nag" ...
But if you need some external point of view and some constructive critics, I can do that. I'll set an account this evening and will send you an email to get in touch if you want.
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>>199018
Food critics aren't necessarily chefs
movie critics aren't necessarily directors
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it's insane that you guys have your own thread for this genre, when there's not a single game that's actually finished
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>>199049

But what are you gonna do about it?
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>>199049
its actually nice to have them contained here

makes the other threads that temporally pop up seem so much better
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>>199049
Think of it as a vaporware fetish.
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So I made a it is for one of the ideas I was thinking of. I am seening if me canon and tyro can work into momcest but I would like your opinion

http://strawpoll.me/6014007
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>>199080
hahahahahahahahahahaha
fuck. I have to draw that...
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>>199088
Like I said the the no's get more votes then yes then you have no problems
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>>199080
>>199090

>So I made a it is for one

>Like I said the the no's

Please tell me you are not one of the writers.
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>>199088
Also if the yes does out way the no futanari is the least of our problems XD. We still need emotinons
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>>199092
What no I am come up with some ideas then I smooth them out with the writers.
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>>199096

>What no I am come up with some ideas

Oh thanks goodness.
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>>199098
Yeh could you imagine me being a writer for the game good god help us all.
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>>195500

What artist is that?
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>>199102
zeronis iirc
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>>199101

And yet I bet you could write some good dialogue for Pepe.
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>>199104
That feel when you are told you could to pepe's dialogue
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>>199107

The rarest of them all.
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The player character is Pepe
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>>199109
Shut up pepe is mum get it right
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>>199112

Nah, mom is obviously Wojak.
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>>199116
KEK
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>>198916
do you know Jack-o-nine-tails? now think opposite of it and you will get the greatest game ever
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So I will give the poll untill 7 am my time.
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>>199258
I don't know why that polls exists it ruins the entire concept
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>>199272
Well I was thinking of adding futa stuff but there is no use adding it if the players don't want it.
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>>199282
Futa DLC for 5.99
we EA now boiz
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>>199282
Cancer
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>>199288
No actualy I am a aquarius
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>>199294

Fucking November people.
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>>199282

> there is no use adding it if the players don't want it.

Indeed, sometimes it sounds like a good idea but most of the times its rubbish.

Btw what do you think about scenario where another guy comes and tries to ruse main character then if you pick badly or lose some sort of mini-game he gives the D to the milf while the MC is locked in the closet or something?
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>>199375
Yes and we also have one plained where your mum comes home with a guy and you have to spen all you points and convice her to kick him out.
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>>199378

Ok ok, hear me out.

Are you ready?

What if...

What if it were 2 guys instead of just 1 ?
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>>199399
Well I can't see why not i'll ask the others
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>>194512
Or delete our mod and I leave this place, im so tired to repeat this every time
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>>199536
¿What you gonna do.? stab me?
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>>199536
no one's stopping you, you havent produced anything for us
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>>199536
You have no power here Khan, Praise Tropic
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>>199551
No, I just leave and that's all
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>>199568
next demo build when?
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>>199572
When OP change what I said
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>>199575
Why you always so upset khan?
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>>199575
why not change it yourself?
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>>199375
>>199399
>>199378
Kill yourself
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>>198659
>>199536

It will be corrected when I get the chance. It will be corrected before tomorrow. My apologies I thought it had already been fixed.
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>>199586
>Other anon starts the thread instead of OP
>Just copypasted the previous thread
>Khan gets mad and leave /aco/ forever
>OP gets mad too and deletes the usurper thread, showing himself as a butthurt janitor
>Tropic was right all the time

You read it here before, remember
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>>199575
Please stay khan
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>>199586
>>199590
quick! suck his dick before he leaves
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>>199588
>tropic ever being wrong

Ed,Edd,Eddy trainer will be glorious
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The russians need to be muscled out. So far 100% of the russians involved in these games are incapable of managing time
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>>199619
120%
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>>199619
>implying only russians are incapable

Where's the new build tropic?
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>>199536
Fuck off, maybe /weg/ will find you tolerable
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>>199682
lol nice try, now go back to your dead general you false flagging kek
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