Koe no Katachi will be better than Kokosake. Why? Naoko Yamada is better director than Tatsuyuki Nagai, and Reiko Yoshida is better screenwriter than Mari Okada.
>>143879268
>Reiko Yoshida is better screenwriter than Mari Okada
>Implying
>>143879268
what with that white fat little afro boy
>>143879899
She's been involved in far more successful series at least.
>>143879268
Why are you even comparing them?
Don't forget GodAni > A1
>>143879268
I wish Japan would fucking hide all information about anime production so that these stupid shitposting wars and artificial "rivalries" between studios and producers and staff members would stop plaguing the board.
>>143879982
They're both about bullied disabled girls.
>>143879982
One is about a girl who refuses to speak and the other is about a girl who refuses to hear.
>>143879986
I don't think in needs to be said. We all know A1 is DEEN tier
>>143880047
>refuses to hear.
Are you retarded?
>>143880149
It's called a joke.
>>143879268
Unfortunately, you forgot to account for Ooima, whose abysmal skill as a mangaka drags the whole thing down past Kokosake.
>>143880210
Man, you guys sure like to exaggerate.
>>143880210
KnK is her first manga. For a rookie it was pretty good.
>>143880176
>>143880271
I'm exaggerating in that she's not the worst mangaka ever and could obviously improve, but the manga is not good and I don't see the story suddenly becoming great just because the screenwriter is competent.
>>143880273
>For a rookie it was pretty good.
You have some pretty low expectations for rookies, then.
>>143880600
What other rookie mangaka has had a series as successful as KnK was?
>>143879268
Koe no Katachi (the manga, the oneshot was good) is shit. I doubt the movie is gonna be good when the source material isn't.
>>143880774
>successful
Wait, in what way? Quality, or commercial/critical reception? If it's the latter, then that very clearly isn't what I'm talking about, and has no relevance. If it's the former, then just recently Kogata Ku's debut Uchuu no Profile has been really good, and I'm now keeping an eye out for new stuff from them.
>>143880774
One Piece was Oda's first manga.
>>143880600
The manga is decent.
koe is trash people just like it because of the weak heroine.
We all know her mom is best girl
>>143881276
The oneshot is decent. The manga is bad.
>>143881129
Koe no Katachi was a success both commercially and critically, winning an award for best manga from a rookie mangaka and gaining a sizeable fanbase. It sold more than 250 million copies and got licensed in several other countries.
Jun-chan is cuter!
>>143881415
Eh, other way around for me.
>>143881446
It does not change the fact that it's garbage
>>143881446
Okay? So I said it wasn't that good of a manga for a rookie, and you responded with "look at all these other people who like it!" Great argument.
Is the KnK manga really that bad?
I really liked the oneshot and didn't even realize there was a manga until the anime was announced
>>143881446
2.5 mill*
I think Kokosake would have made a nice 13 episode anime.
>>143880600
>muh standards
please, dont pretend like you've actually read more than 20 manga.
>>143881519
>Manga was good by rookie standards
>You have shit taste if you think that
>It was very successful
>In what way
>Both critically and commercially
>B-b-but it was not good for a rookie I know this because my tastes are facts
>>143881446
>250 million
Stopped reading there
>>143881698
I think a 13 episode anime of best girl Ueno beating up Shouko would be nice.
What's the best release on nyaa for Kokosake?
>>143881599
it's decent. not a masterpiece by any stretch but still fairly interesting.
holy shit how did they animate the characters to look exactly like they did in the manga when aku no hana looked radically different?
>>143881711
You can greentext all you want, but your argument still boils down to other people liking it.
>>143881817
KyoAni has great designers.
>>143881711
>Titanic is a great movie because it sold a lot and won awards
>>143881884
And your still boils down to you not liking it therefore being objectively not good.
>>143882104
>objectively
Nope, that's not my argument because there's no such thing as objective quality. My only point is that I think it's bad.
>>143882178
What a great argument.
>>143882227
I think it's bad, therefore I think it's bad. It's as solid an argument as possible.
>>143882043
Titanic is a great movie for its use of practical effects and the amount of research they put into it. Cameron personally dived down to the wreckage multiple times in order to get it right
>>143882264
But somehow mine about many people thinking it was good, including me, is not a solid argument?
>>143882293
Other people thinking it was good is a solid argument that they think it's good, but if that's all you're trying to claim then I don't see why you'd bring those other people up in a discussion between you and me.
>>143881472
What the hell? How? You like all the side characters and stretched-out drama?
>>143882035
I hope they do that orange-haired boys expressions justice. He always made me feel uneasy.
>>143881446
Wow did you just remember that from on top of your head or did you googled it fuckboy?
Getting rid of most of the side character involvement in the manga for the sake of making the movie shorter is a bad idea. The side characters are the ones who trigger the drama.
>>143882389
There are a lot of good side characters though. Ueno, Yuzuru, the two mothers, even Sahara
>>143882389
I'll take the manga's low points for its high points over the one shot's nothing.
>>143879268
None of this shit matters if it doesn't have Aniplex and Nogizaka shilling. Also shouldn't you people be in the other they'd arguing over Kyoani vs Shaft for the 12000th time
>>143881446
I'm legitimately surprised A-1 didn't snatch it up instead.
>>143883244
No one on /a/ cares about or even reads that Umino series they're making next season, the few who do already are worried that SHAFT might ruin it with their cookie cutter Bakeshit template direction.
>>143883244
So what Aniplex shilling isn't even guaranteed success these days look at kiznaiver
>>143883032
By nothing, you mean no haphazard melodrama? The one-shot told a simple story, it told it decently, and it finished. It was still basically an inferior deaf version of Kitoh's oneshot Soiled, Beautiful, but it was fine nonetheless. The serialization tried to stretch that out into a series of big emotional moments and lengthy traumas, and it didn't work.
>>143881413
That's not how you spell Sahara.
>>143883375
Okada shows are absolute failures 90% of the time, not even the shilling power of Aniplex could have save the series.
>>143880774
Yusei Matsui
Chica Umino
Hajime Isayama
Rumiko Takahashi
Makoto Yukimura
Yuki Urushibara
Tsugumi Ohba
Yumi Hotta
>>143883458
The oneshot didn't really have an ending, unless you think a quick apology and giving back the notebook is enough to mend all wounds makes for a satisfactory conclusion. I think the problem with this is it doesn't really show any of the agonizing and guilt Ishida felt that was shown in the serialization and worse it makes Shouko look like some type of jesus level "turn the other cheek" type forgiving saint because you don't get to see how she blames herself for lot of other people's misery which again the serialization does include.
>>143881817
>"I need to pick a particularly bad anime adaptation design so that my studio will look great in comparison. I know! I'll choose Aku no Hana!"
>>143881446
>got licensed in several other countries
what. is that an achievement? is manga getting licensed in other places so uncommon?
>>143884244
It is. Very few manga actually get licensed, only the most popular ones which coincidentally are the ones that /a/ talks about the most like the bunch of casuals they are, so it might appear like that isn't the case.
>>143883726
I don't think the oneshot's ending was great, but the series had the same issue, honestly. The post-suicide-attempt section didn't really address anyone's mental shit adequately adequately for me, and then we timeskipped and they're adults and yet we didn't really see any of them get over their issues. I mean, I didn't feel like we even saw adequate healing/therapy for Shouko, let alone Ueno or Kawaii or fucking Mashiba, who is probably going to rape and murder those students of his. If you dislike the oneshot ending, I can't see how you wouldn't hate the series' ending.
>>143884387
>Very few manga actually get licensed, only the most popular ones
This is entirely false. MU lists almost 6000 non-H manga licensed in english (a bit over 5% of all non-H manga listed there), and that includes tons of random shit /a/ almost never talks about.
>>143884387
It's not that important in the large scale of things.
>>143883458
The one shot was incomplete though. Akin to the likes of a pilot episode for Breaking Bad.
>>143884703
I never watched Breaking Bad, but no, I don't think the oneshot was incomplete at all. It covered a story of bullying and then threw on a happy ending. There was no incompleteness there, nothing that needed further exploration. The serialization didn't really "complete" the oneshot, it just used the oneshot as a backstory, added people, and explored that cast's dysfunction for sixty chapters.
>>143884605
It's not that I dislike the oneshot ending, it's more like I don't think it's much of an ending at all. It just feels more like a pilot episode like >>143884703 says and for all the faults the serialization has, it does provide closure on a number of plotlines, not all of the, but the important ones. And Shoko does have her moment of catharsis, it's what the scene at the bridge after Ishida wakes up is about. Like all this time she's been dwelling on the fact that from her point of view, she makes things worse for the people around her just like how Ishida guilted over all the bullying he did as a kid. But in the end, he tells her that those feelings aren't worth dying over because he himself contemplated suicide at the beginning of the manga, and it's how they both are able to move on together.
>>143885011
It was abrupt. The series was all about him feeling redemption. Coming into terms with what he has done. I mean the climax itself was him questioning whether he deserved to be happy.
Sure the series itself was a roller coaster of drama but it was not just for the sake of making a scene. It was all to flesh out Ishida himself. Ueno was probably the unsung hero here as I still think, even with all the hate she got, she was still the most interesting character.
There was already a good discussion about this in the earlier thread. All of it contrasts
>>143885011
Sure you could look at it that way, but if it had ended with the oneshot then all you get out of it is "bullying is bad, but forgiveness also comes easy". If it was left at that KnK would've never gotten as much notoriety and certainly not a movie adaptation.
>>143885011
>>143885236
To add, all he did to make up for Shouko came to a point where he was questioning his motives. Was he trying to make himself feel less guilty or was it all as sincere as it could be.
So, how do you feel about the movie focusing on romance?
>>143885236
>>143885456
I guess my view is that that wasn't something we necessarily needed - I didn't read the oneshot and see it as a set-up for a longer story yet to come about his redemption, I read it and just saw it as its own small thing about a bullying incident, and I thought it did that pretty well, whereas the serialization didn't strike many chords for me.
>>143879268
Kokosake was one of the worst movies I've seen in the last few years. The story is told in a way that makes you think there is some magical fantasy stuff is going on, but nope the girl is an actual schizophrenic with real mental issues.
>>143887190
>The story is told in a way that makes you think there is some magical fantasy stuff is going on
Welcome to the Okada meme
>>143887190
And?
>>143879268
Right is NTR shit so yeah, it will be better by default.
>shouya's tag is sticking out
>>143887556
it's always sticking out, even in his childhood
i never understood it
>>143887899
I never even noticed.
>>143881599
it is good
AHHHH I WANT TO CUM INSIDE UENO
>>143887190
hurr durr
>movie is bad because it wasn't what I expected
I want to cum inside the deaf girl's little brother
>>143887190
>I expected X and got Y, therefore it's bad
Seriously, people who use this argument have to be the stupidest people ever. Your criticism sounds like autism. Your level of critiquing is as bad as people who say things like this:
>It sucks because the first half was light humor, but the second half decided to change the tone.
>The story would have been better if they would have explained everything from the beginning
And so forth. You come off like you're 10.
>>143889120
>>143888942
Okada apologists are the worst
>>143880149
Nah, just american. You know, because bully victims are totally at fault and poor people totally want to be so, etc.
>>143889188
Nice argument
I want to cum inside Shouko's ears while tilting her head so that my semen flows deeper inside her ear canal.
>>143889188
Not an Okada apologists, I'll never forgive her for EVOL, but if you're argument is "It was supposed to be fantasy, but it wasn't", then you're a retard and should never try to critique any form of art ever.
>>143889239
>Making stupid comments and expecting someone to argue with you.
I just like laughing at retards.
>>143889280
I'm not that guy but you're an autist.
>>143889264
>>143889340
Don't give her attention, fags.
