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>>143759699
>>143807617
xth for 疲れた
has anyone ever pirated Japanese: The Spoken Language
>>143807617
KONNICHIWA WATASHI WA ATARASHII NIHONGO NO SHABERI NINGEN DOU ITASHIMASITE
DOU YATTE "PLEASURE OF BEING CUMMED INSIDE" ITTERU KA SHIRA , KOTAE YORI ARIGATOU
>>143807815
> 膣外射精されての喜びさ興奮したこの野郎またシコシコしなきゃ
>>143808066
yall get aroused by memes then huh
nice dubs
6th for kanji pazuru
私 master race here
俺 fags 帰れ
>>143808168
>not 我
>>143808168
I used boku when I was in japan, I was 24 years old. Did I do that correctly or how does that shit work I still don't know
>>143808282
ware ware wa legion desu
>>143808342
我はロボット
>>143808168
I just heard a nip girl today who used 俺等
>>143808413
おいら is cute as HECK desu
>>143808131
いいえ、私に中出しとか犯すとか興奮くれる仕方ないだからミームは関係ない。
>>143808379
lobot lobotomy would be a fun jrock band name
How do you guys remember the Kanji? Sometimes I recognize the Kanji but forget what it means
>>143808303
>>143808342
>>143808435
nice namefagging :^)
>>143808434
thats like getting aroused at the word "sex" though anon, i wont judge tho
>>143808303
ore is masculine and for middle to young adult age, boku is young male typically and 自信ないタイプ, watashi is neutral and atashi/watakushi are feminine, iirc.
>>143808467
what're you talking about I'm an anonymous user like the rest of you
>>143808486
Girls sometimes use ore and boku too.
>>143808523
I never said whether or not girls or boys were restricted on using them I just said what their affiliations with gender are
ore is masculine and if a girl uses it its kinda weird, boku is said by tomboys in anime alot
i know of a single male character that uses atashi as well
so it's not restricted it's just how they're seen gender-wise
>>143808459
Continue studying.
Read more.
Looks like a joke, but seriously just keep at it.
I'm getting at the point while doing my kanji deck that I'm getting the meaning of some stuff just from similar/past words.
Also, one trick I use is to use association with anything you remember or enjoy.
For example I always forget this 合板 but it only took me one look at 戦 to never forget it (because of 戦乙女).
>>143808486
わたくし isn't feminine, it's just formal
儂 is really the only way to go though
>>143808580
I know. When talking in a casual way, it doesn't really matter what you use.
>>143808486
well im a confident son of a bitch so im goin full ore next time i speak with an eleven
awser to the kanji puzzle was 6 by the way
>>143808630
わっち is my favorite of the archaic
holo and I think shinobu use it
>>143808728
or you could make one up
WAGAJI WA JOHN DESU
>>143808728
shinobu just uses わし the classic のじゃロリ pronoun
>参加費
>>143809009
no ja is annoying cuz its always some old bitch
or like some female whoze really smart and is already 80 years old mentally like that grill from shimoneta or probably washu from tenchi muyo
>>143807705
Heh, nice meme.
By the way, what's the japanese equivalent of "meme"?
>>143809113
Neta I'd figure
>>143806930
なんだよ、お前? 本気で諦めたいならいいんだろう。誰かに勉強させられているワケないのじゃん？この世の中には、出来る人だけが成功するからな。自分に聞いてみろう。「俺、出来るのか？」自信持って答えられないなら諦めれば方がいいと思う。
>>143809087
old but cute
>>143809242
the real question is do you drink
>>143809190
長い書いた。。。
君は大丈夫？
おはようおにいちゃん
気温３７度、湿度６３％だよ
カンカンだよ
>>143809417
Same here but it's almost 100% humidity.
エアコンの効いた部屋でぼくのなつやすみ2をプレイ
>>143809417
ここはずいぶん涼しいよ
気温１８度だよ
午後１０時だからだな
>なつめくんはなんでも知ってる
>translated as Natsume-kun doesn't know anything
Shouldn't this be "knows everything/anything"?
>>143809786
>trusting translators
>>143809786
yeah the translator is a retard that failed beginner's grammar and assumed from anime that the ~でも pattern implies inversion
>don't need translators for porn anymore
>can literally just open raw doujins and read them off the bat
This feeling is fucking amazing. I'm so glad I decided to learn this language.
>>143809678
よるでも２８度だよ
にほんもシエスタがほしいよ
>>143809842
I'm almost there
Is there any merit in leaving production cards in your vocab decks? They were incredibly helpful in the beginning, but now that I can write somewhat comfortably and learn new words/kanji easier, they feel like a waste of time. Although, they still seem to have a beneficial effect on my retention.
>>143809909
any seeming benefits are merely a result of spending more time studying that word
どうかこれに懲りずにまたいらして下さい。
We'd love to have you over again. (lit., I hope you'll see fit to overlook our meager hospitality and come again.)
＞懲りず
how does this even work?
>>143809842
>>143809882
I'll never be there...
>>143809969
>I'm going to be deaf anyway
wait what
elaborate
>>143808474
違うの、あんた分からないのか、ゴム無しの性交で大きくて強くて激しくて男の強引支配されるの感じるのは…あ、最高わ
あの乱暴の扱さ、逃げられなくて命令従いな状況そして無意味な抵抗中で無理矢理に挿入してくれて…
いつもこんな事考えるのは本当にどうしようもなくなっちゃう
とにかく、冗談において、ありがとうね名無し君、普段は誰もかも私を無視してくれるだから文の練習が出来ない。
今日はもうここで終わりにする。今は本当にシコシコ行くの積もりで。では！
>>143810017
are you asking about ず or the meaning of 懲りる?
if it's the latter look it up
if it's ず then you should have looked that up already too
ず is just a negative form that works like adverbially and can be used with に to mean "without doing [verb]"
>>143810122
You're going to get a better job, you'll get a hearing aid and you'll learn Japanese. Stop being such a whiny fucking defeatist, nobody likes that.
>>143809969
>Also I wonder how finny is feeling now that his waifus everywhere now.
It's not too bad. I get to shit on EOPs in the New Game threads for a day after a new episode airs and don't have to make ぞい子 images myself
>>143809384
疲れていて、新しい所に越したばっかりで、することもしたいこともない気分になっちゃってちょっとシットポスチング・書く練習しょうって思ったね〜〜。
パーティーに行ったから一昨日のアンキサボった事もあるけどさ、投影かもしれん
>>143810302
日本語posting in New Game threads is truly the best way to drive away cancerous crossboarding Dogakobo-fags.
>>143810122
>grindcore
just listen to post hardcore, you get the same "kill everything" mental bliss without needing loud volume
>factory work
you won't go deaf over time from that
>>143810436
This is referral spam everyone. Report and hide.
>>143809954
That's true, I suppose a similar effect could be achieved with just a lower multiplier. I suppose I just need to get over it and delete them at this point and spend the time saved on reading more. Especially now that Anki itself is starting to feel more and more useless.
>>143810403
>Is the anime any good?
It's AOTYFor now anyways
I use a default ease of 140% and an interval modifier of 4x and I have 98% true retention.
>>143810403
>Is the anime any good?
Better than original so far
>>143810602
>Better than original so far
significantly so
I'm having trouble with this sentence.
冗長で形容詞や修飾語が多い文章は形式的文書を不似合いです。
Its mostly the が then は
The two translations that come to mind are:
>Because of redundancy of adjectives and modifiers, many sentences are improper for formal documents.
>Many sentences with redundant adjectives and modifiers are unfit for formal documents.
Am I even close? I've never encounterd a 'noun が noun' before.
>>143810363
何でも知ってない、お前の書くのが。。。
>>143810889
sentences where tedious adjectives and modifiers are many are unsuitable for formal documents
german handles this kind of awkward construction with V2; japanese handles it with allowing relative clauses to use の instead of が; english handles it by allowing you to break the language's grammar's legs
>>143810889
It's not noun が noun, it's (noun が adjective)-noun.
頭が赤い猫
Cat with a red head.
(Could also be "my head is a red cat," so like >>143811172 said you could remove some ambiguity by using の instead of が, but obviously not all of it. With の its second meaning would be "my head's red cat" instead.)
>>143811172
>english handles it by allowing you to break the language's grammar's legs
And then English turned into the perfect language for technical documentation.
>>143811172
>>143811430
I think I understand, but it is still confusing. Seems like it ends up as whichever way makes the most sense is the right way to translate it.
>>143811570
There's only one technically correct structure to translate it. There's a relative clause that states "There are a lot of tedious adjectives and modifiers". That relative clause is applied to "sentences". This modified "sentences" is then applied to the predicate "is/are unsuitable for formal documents".
You can change the wording of each part but you can't move pieces between the parts. That's where most translations fail and change the original meaning.
>>143811570
That's exactly how it ends up. Though it should calm you to know that no other way makes any amount of sense whatsoever in the context of your sentence.
>>143811069
えぇ、何言ってんのよ、コイツ？
なんか言いたいコトがあんなら言えよなぁ
かかってっこい！
おはようDJT
今日は七夕だよ
>>143812705
それはむりだ
ばらスィーのれんさいが再開しますように
>>143807617
why reading seems like putting togheter puzzle pieces?
>>143797986
I meant on the OP puzzle.
>>143812705
NEVER
>>143812757
>ばらスィー
いもうとさんが大ファンようだ
>>143810037
I feel you
>>143810037
>That feel when complete inability to learn any kind of language
>>143804273
>I will destroy you and every last writing-style-blind schizophrenic trollbait-posting ignoramus out there like you once the tao descends down on my crippled body and scarred soul to grant me my holy socratesean argumentative autist powers.
Great sentence dude, was a blast to read it.
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1434910726
ok /djt/, which one of you did this? Who should I thanks?
居で私わラメンお食べるしましたです
is this correct? today i ate ramen
>>143813265
yeah looks fine brah
>>143813265
家で私はラーメンを食べました
How often do you brush your teeth /djt/ ?
>>143813265
for the sake of my own sanity please tell me this is bait
>>143813478
you have to ask?
>>143813346
>>143813351
>>143813478
Getting mixed vibes here. Also why is ramen in katakana anyway? Thanks for the help though.
二本ごは簡単ですね
>>143813265
oh my word
>>143813265
今日は私はラーメンを食べた。
not him btw, how'd i do djt?
>>143813711
pretty good
you compared yourself to today eating ramen, gud jab
>>143813711
>not him btw
>>143813780
Not him or the other guy but, how would you say it?
>>143813711
>>143813780
今日で私はラーメンをたべた。
did i fix it?
>>143813847
You fucked it up even more
>>143813863
according to google translate i was right the first time
how dare you make me question my nihongo skills like that
whats with the sudden increase in ramen popularity, djt fell on hard times eh
I am just starting out. Week two of self study.
In learning the hiragana, I've found that I learn best in the following way. I memorize entire words, simple ones like "ai" or "oyasumi" or something, then use my knowledge of the whole word to remember the individual characters.
I know a few hundred words from watching shows, and mentally map words to characters.
>>143813927
as far as I can tell it's 1 retard pretending to be multiple retards, with guest performances by some other retards falling for it. all in all pretty par for the course as far as recent DJT's are concerned
橫浜に行ってラーメン食べたい
>>143814018
cgi physics test for driving down costs of extras
>>143813924
Ok here I go
今日私はラメンを食べた
>>143814218
There's nothing wrong with 今日は私は
>>143814535
Why the 2 は tho ? I'm having trouble grasping particles.
>>143814535
今日私は sounds way more natural than 今日は私は
>week two
>learning the hiragana
Even assuming both that this is the start of your second week and that you're now completely done with them, that's still barely more than a column a day. If you're actually serious about learning Japanese, you need to consider that a large portion of the beginner phase will be simply grinding out vocabulary in kanji. Ask yourself honestly - if it's taken you this long to learn less than 50 fairly simple characters associated only with a sound, can you really see yourself going through (at least) 20 words a day, containing maybe 5-10 new kanji(which by the way usually have at least 2 standard readings you'll need to remember, with some having 4, 5, or more - oh and then there are words which don't use any of these readings at all)? I'm not trying to say you should quit, but seriously consider the amount of time and effort you're willing to put in and the extent to which that lines up with your goals.
>>143813970
>Week two
>learning the hiragana
>mfw im gonna get a qt japanese tutor to help me
>>143814744
>>143814747
>>143814689
>sentence topic
>predicate topic
easy
>>143814689
は is not just used as a topic marker, it also marks contrastive elements.
>>143814735
not particularly
今日私は actually sounds less natural without a comma
>>143814937
>>143814929
>predicate topic
Isn't that what が supposed to be ?
>>143815037
No, that's the accusative marker
Predicate topic is a different concept; it merely overlaps in many sentences
ラーメンってちゅうかりょうり？
にほんりょうり？
ちゅうごくりょうり？
>>143814735
my knee-jerk reaction was the same (though I'd only really consider myself on the border of beginner and intermediate so don't take that too seriously), but google.co.jp gives about 3x more results for "今日は私は" vs "今は私は" so now I'm not so sure. Could be a writing vs speech thing? Most of my reading experience comes from manga.
>>143814689
read more. don't try to translate particles or think about what they "mean", just read native content and focus on understanding sentences as a whole rather than thinking about individual parts. The more you read, the more you'll build an intuitive sense of how each particle is used to express various concepts
>>143815054
Ok, non-native english speaker here. Sometimes reading grammar is a bit confusing (I do have a french grammar book though).
>>143815106
インドのカレーと日本のカレーは別物
中国のラーメンと日本のラーメンも別物
>>143815113
Native english speakers are generally bad with english terms for general language's grammar. I only know some because linguistics.
>>143815106
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%A9%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A1%E3%83%B3#.E6.B2.BF.E9.9D.A9
>>143815112
you're simply both misinformed beginners
>>143814937
there's two は because there are two topics, nothing is being contrasted in that sentence
>>143815037
が is awkward to use in that sentence for reasons you should have learned from tae kimochi the japanese grammar meishu
introducing a topic with it is offhanded
>>143815142
linguistic student here, that's happen with italian too. I think it's a general thing, a native doesn't really know them because they don't need to. I bet if I go in England, asking about the difference between present perfect and present perfect continuos, or word collocations I will get puzzled look.
>>143815302
>here's two は because there are two topics, nothing is being contrasted in that sentence
Not him but isn't there only one topic in that sentence : what I ate today ?
>>143815654
that's not a topic
>>143815138
日本のカレーの起源は韓国ニダ
日本のラーメンの起源は韓国ニダ
>>143813927
For a moment I thought that those were real people, and was wondering what the fuck they were doing.
>震感
arigatou nihonjin tachi
>>143816459
daves just that good
helps that the lighting is all raytraced unlike game engines
>>143817658
可哀想
Absolute beginner here.
How the fuck do I really get going with this? I read the sticky, but I feel directionless. I've learned Hiragana and I'm making decent headway on Kata, plus I've remembered a lot of kanji that I've come across.
My question now is, what the fuck do I do? I can't understand any grammar guides because basically I'm fucking retarded and have almost 0 technical understanding of English.
What's something I can do as a beginner to make progress regularly? Is starting off grinding vocab a bad idea? Will my brain just figure out the grammatical syntax on it's own if I can read most of the words in a sentence?
>>143817735
Can you understand Tae Kim?
>>143817022
You can't learn Japanese.
>>143817735
Grammars the most important part, especially as a beginner, and I highly doubt you'd get very far just trying to figure out grammar though vocab alone, if you can't read grammar guides you can't learn Japanese
>>143817735
>almost 0 technical understanding of English
a lot of grammar guides are written by english majors that expect you to construct sentences, not just read
so read timmy kimmy and you'll be good
>>143817735
>grammar guides hard
just do it
>is memorizing vocabulary bad
no; it's better than memorizing kanji if you don't know what you're doing
>emergent grammar
only from anime and not a lot
browser keeps crashing accept this shitty post before it's too late
>>143817658
訳が分からない
Does anyone know if the newer pokemon games have kanji in them? I want to play a game with only kana in it. But don't want to play shitty SNES crap.
>>143817735
why would you need a technical understanding of english to read a grammar guide
tay kim may be a hack but if theres something to praise about his guide it's that his explanations are short, to the point, and easy to understand
>>143817951
you're in luck
>>143817951
>shitty SNES crap
Really? How can a person have such shit taste?
>>143818108
えーマジ、ひらがなモード？！
ひらがなモード許されるのは小学生までだよねー
>>143818122
most snes games are balanced poorly
>>143818108
>おはなし
>談笑
I can understand doing this with furigana but if you only see one mode, then it's basically two different sentences? Wtf
>>143818186
it's clearly intended for little kids
>>143818265
ｆｕｃｋ ｋｉｄｓ
>>143818334
Preach
>>143818334
called the cops
>>143818334
reported to the NSA
enjoy the party van motherfucker
>>143817951
>I want to play a game with only kana in it.
There's no point in doing this, really.
>>143818186
おはなしは雑談のほうがちかいとおもうよ
お話は、意味がとおいよ
>>143818403
はうぅゆいちゃん超可愛い
>>143818334
お巡りぃぃぃさぁぁぁん
この人
What does 「おったまげーしょん」 mean? I couldn't find a clear answer for it.
It's probably a joke I'm too western/dumb to get.
>>143818687
Context.
>>143809842
WAIT FOR ME ANON
>>143818687
あのんくんには
そんなこともわかんないなんて
おったまげーしょん
>>143818886
はうあうあうあの画像ちょーうかわいいぃ～
お持ち帰りぃぃ
this kid is straight savage
>恋に落ちる
>fall in love
Was this term taken from English or is it a coincidence?
>>143819321
>taken from English
What made you consider that?
>>143819321
こいに・お・ち・たー・のー
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTdF3LO1WAI
>>143819387
>EOPs
>>143818334
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU440caSIj4
>>143818767
コンテクストは芸能界の業界用語の話なんですけどその言葉はただの冗談でしたのであまり役に立たないと思います。
>>143818886
あ、なるほど。ありがとう、いもうとちゃん！
>>143819608
我也会讲华语。它虽不是最棒的，但还可接受，我自己算是多一个P。
Anyway,
your point being?
Falling in love is such a simple idea that I highly doubt it could have originated from any one language.
How do I learn and remember verb forms and conjugations effectively?
It's making my brain hurt :s
>>143819893
我愛你
>>143819893
>ESLs
>>143819893
>Anyway,
>your point being?
How can anyone be this reddit?
>>143813462
毎晩歯を磨きます。でも食後にフロスをします。
Can't really figure out right now how to say "after every meal", or if it's even necessary.
>>143820240
食後ごとに
>>143820495
ありがとう！
長者ヶ浜潮騒はまなす公園前駅
>>143817735
Here you go, friend.
>>143817735
>I can't understand any grammar guides because basically I'm fucking retarded
take a class or get a tutor
新幹線はとてもかっこいい。
what are your leeches?
>>143820495
そのつかいかたはあまりしないんじゃないかなあ
>毎食後に
をつかうひとがおおいとおもうよ
>>143821647
あの長いやつ？
>>143821652
Why would you grind these words.
By the time you get to a level where you'd actually encounter these with any sort of frequency you should either be able to guess the reading from the kanji readings or remember them naturally from reading after looking them up once.
>>143821749
そう！あの長いやつ
>>143821652
The only one I still have problems with is 執拗
If you can read a large number of kanji, is it also possible to read some Chinese??
>>143821955
You could get the gist of what's being said but you wouldn't be able to tell what any of the grammar was so your understanding would be limited
>>143821654
ありがとう、いもうとちゃん
>>143821861
oh my god those are the stupidest leeches i have ever seen just delete all those cards right now because you'll see them more than you've ever repped them in anki when you start reading literally anything f.a.m.
>>143822729
I added all of those like a year ago, they have gigantic intervals now, apart from 執拗, which I for some reason have never been able to remember the reading of
>>143822237
べっ、べつにおにいちゃんのためなんかじゃないんだからね
>>143822857
きっも
Reading Kanjidamage. Does anyone else find the author annoying ?
>>143821955
often the gist
昔々、赤ちゃんが「いかにも」と言った
そして、両親は捨てさせた
目出度し目出度し
>>143822956
>いもうとさんをいじめている
お前こそ気持ち悪い、うせろ
>>143822854
just delete it you'll remember it through context while reading
>>143823112
Yes. I find him very offensive.
>>143823633
What exactly is the disadvantage of just leaving it in my deck
>>143823735
The mental fear of having to waste your time on a leech one day
Is learning the radicals of 漢字 's a waste of time ?
>>143823112
>>143824354
As it is part of learning Japanese it is too a waste of time.
>>143824354
Radicals are pretty much a necessity and takes like a week to learn so might as well
>>143824741
lol no
>>143823112
Better to be annoying than to make zero sense like the shit heisig comes out with is
>>143824354
You're gonna learn them either way, so you might as well make it easy on yourself and start early.
>>143824741
>Radicals are pretty much a necessity
just as bad as the "radicals are useless" fags
>>143824741
>1871 total unique kanji
Never learned radicals. Just do what works for you
>>143824886
What's your retention rate?
Is anyone else practising handwriting?
Kana is easy but sometimes its difficult to fit a kanji character neatly on a single line of lined paper.
I heard in Japan and China they often use paper with larger spaces between the lines to make writing easier, is that true??
>>143824807
How are they not? They allow you to
-Gain the ability to search for kanji through radical search
-Come up with mnemonics whenever necessary
-Infer what kind of general meaning a kanji will have depending on the main radical used
-Gain the ability to draw nearly every kanji by learning the stroke order of just radicals
-Decipher shitty handwriting
-Differentiate kanji with similar radicals
-Learn and remember phonetic components
>>143821955
>前事不忘 後事之師
I actually found this in asassin's creed, and it felt really good, when i understood it with just my knowledge of japanese
>>143824964
Because they aren't "necessary". They're useful, sure, but you can learn Japanese without studying radicals.
>>143824909
92% on mature. Did 60 new cards per day for some time and now it dropped to 88%
what is this 判子 business, yotsuba did some calisthenics and got marked like it was some nightclub
is this common? sounds way faster and easier than sign here, and here, and here bullshit
>>143825042
I suppose, my bad for using a word with such a strong connotation, I didn't really mean it literally hence the "pretty much"
>>143825043
What about fresh cards?
>>143825066
stamp
>>143825115reached my 6000. card today
>>143825066
Yeah, It's like a stamp with your last name on it. You can basically use the stamp or sign. But some papers require the stamp specifically.
>>143824942
I use this kind brought in a japanese library.
(Obvious beginner here)
Yes... Yes he is.
>>143825214
that sounds awesome, and simple
>>143825300
MY EYESS
>円やか
>on a 3 month interval
>find out today it's maROyaka
Fuck me. This is worse than the time I thought 諭す was KI-tosu
>>143825511
Not cool bro,he is trying
>>143825384
>>143825300
There is something horribly off with your 晩.
>>143825185
How do you display the "Added" graph? i don't have it
>>143825185
>all those relearns
>german
>3 hours anki per day
>>143825723
Don't worry bro it's the same with latin alphabet, thought I have a feeling it's getting better with japanese (?).
>>143825770
"Oh fuck it".
Why is this in the dictionary? Is it a commo set expression?
>>143825829
I got 4 intervals for new cards so they usually pop up as new cards on day 2 as a relearn card.
>inb4 so many intervals are stupid
For me it works
>>143825809
Dunno I didnt change anything. Maybe you should check if your Anki is the latest version
>>143825809
It usually isn't there until after you add some cards
>>143826018
>For me it works
>sub 90% mature
Yeah I can tell
>>143826448
>talking about re-learn
>suddenly starts to talk about mature cards interval
Glad to see you don't know what you are talking about.
>>143825185
>average 168 minutes
アンキが死んでしまえばいい
>>143826116
what do you mean by "added" exactly?
>>143826588
And you know what those new cards with their 4 intervals eventually turn into, anon? A shitty initial learning phase is going to transition into a shitty long term retention.
Then again the fact you don't see that relation yourself might as well mean the fault doesn't lie with the intervals, maybe you're just retarded.
>>143827201
Like if you have a mining deck, you can make a text document with vocab in, and then go file > import and add them to a deck
You can add vocab manually with the add button too but that's slow as fuck and idk if it counts towards that added graph
>>143824741
>Radicals
>takes like a week to learn
>>143827694
Well like a month, still though there are only like 200 of them and the only piece of information you need to learn for each is a single English keyword which is a piece of piss
How do you represent sounds which can't be expressed by kana, such as zi, we, yi, or hu???
I mean ジ is read as ji and kana to represent the others have fallen out of use or just never existed.
>>143827974
>>143828099
you dont
>>143828099
>Wanting to say disgusting non Japanese sounds
Man, I still remember taking a class a long time ago and them using romaji to represent sounds. When you're first learning it seems like such a good idea, but then you get words like 留学生 where they do something like "dyuugaksei" and you realize after you learn the actual sounds of 日本語 how fucking terrible they teach.
