>He is not hitting on me so that must not be him
Not surprised the slut would think that.
>Southwestern coast of whole cake
>Seducing woods
Trap or not? Thats where pudding told them to meet her
>mfw patiently waiting for Sanji and Nami to kiss
Pudding is ugly as fuck.
Atleast change her personality.
Either make her more pretty or get rid of her ASAP.
>>143652794
She is definitely lying. She didn't show up and the forest or whoever made the clones knew the strawhats where there looking for Sanji.
Oda is not trying to make Pudding seem suspicious and Carrot seem pure and innocent only to reverse their roles later!
Nope! Carrot is not a traitor!
Nope!
I guess my biggest issue post timeskip is that events like these woods before would be something that they have to think about and a crewmember would have to use their unique talent in a way that is explained to the reader. Early One Piece had lots of that sort of thing. All of Usopp's fights, most of Enies Lobby. Now Nami will just vaguely navigate them out with her new world navigation powers or they'll meet a new character with an awful design who will help them. There's no real tension. Even Usopp doesn't have his methodical style anymore, it's just a bag of seeds with the exact plot plant needed for the situation. Please end soon
How many more episodes will the filler Arc last?
>>143656734
Did you forget about the evil jello on her shoulder?
>>143657200
twenty
>It's a dragon jobbing episode
Carrot is not a traitor who just acts nice and actually has a vivre card to lead Jack to the Straw Hat!
Nope!
Nope! Nope!
>>143657468
so are all women in one piece part of the longleg tribe?
>>143657111
>I guess my biggest issue post timeskip is that events like these woods before would be something that they have to think about and a crewmember would have to use their unique talent in a way that is explained to the reader.
That's rather uncommon, Strawhats get lost all the time and get unlost by sheer dumb luck. Happened exploring Little Garden, Skypeia, Thriller Bark, Saboady, and the suckers who got stuck following Luffy in Alabasta, Lily Amazon and Impel Down.
>Now Nami will just vaguely navigate them out with her new world navigation powers or they'll meet a new character with an awful design who will help them.
Nami doesn't have any navigation powers outside of the ocean, she's just as helpless on land. And the local guide showing people around the place is not a new theme.
>Even Usopp doesn't have his methodical style anymore, it's just a bag of seeds with the exact plot plant needed for the situation.
Technically, it was always a plot blog. You never had any idea what Usopp was carrying in there, he suddenly whips out something he will never use again like a ball full of cockroaches against Perona. If Oda wants Usopp to lose, he will still lose like against Trebol or win with something out of the magic bag.
>>143657895
Oda really is doing good job trying to make Pudding look suspicious. I wonder when he makes the real traitor seem suspicious...
>>143657895
>left-to-right
>meme the idea that Vegapunk is Chopper 500 years ahead from another timeline as a joke
>now start to genuinely want it to be real as how Chopper gets his 'The Fifth' arc
I mean, the one trope Oda hasn't touched yet is time travel, so maybe eventually.
>>143657200
The filler is movie related, and in the past all movie related fillers lasted about 2-4 episodes... This one seems like it will go on for a bit longer, I'm guessing around 6 or 7 episodes total.
>>143657111
I don't know why you're comparing being lost in a forest to major fights. It's more comparable to being lost in Thriller Bark, which was also tensionless.
Besides, this is a manga where the good guys win 90% of the time and people almost never die. The only arcs with any tension were the War saga.
>>143657662
>>143657111
Usopp vs Sugar was pretty good, but he really hasn't actually had a 1v1 since the time skip yet aside from Daruma... But that fight sucked mainly because Daruma wasn't a threat.
I see what you're saying and agree partially.
>>143657468
If anything I think Bellamy's vivre card is gonna fall into the wrong hands because Bellamy has never done a single right thing in his life
>>143658715
Take that back.
>>143658482
>It's a shonen and I know they will survive therefore tension cannot be built
okay.
>>143658779
ok sorry, Bellamy's mom
>>143658791
Honestly I just enjoy One Piece for the sheer joy of adventure that Oda seems to have that never leaves his manga. We're on an island made of candy after being on a giant elephant island and before that was Spainland. It's a fun manga where bad guys are bastards and it's fun seeing their shit kicked in. It's internally consistent, and everything feels written with purpose. It's just a treat to read every week
>>143658779
Nigga, you really need a better reaction image cause you are posting that shit for everything.
>>143658361
>Chopper gets his 'The Fifth' arc
>'The Fifth' arc
I've seen this term used before. Theo only Fifth I know is the one from SG-1. Please elaborate.
>Big Mom goes on frequent rampages with actual casualties
>Somehow the country, populated by people from all over the world with different opinions and beliefs, is okay with it
>>143659633
She has the whole country by the balls. You try talking shit to her face when showing the littlest bit of fear in front of a giant despot with a short temper is a 100% sure way to die.
>>143659577
Most Strawhats get a numbered chapter when they joined. Or rejoined. Zoro was the First. Nami the Second, etc. I believe Chopper and Robin are the only two who hasn't gotten a numbered chapter.
>>143659633
>one of the 4 Strongest Pirates alive makes a ruckus in her own territory
>people remain quiet
Gee, I fucking wonder why.
>>143659995
A tyrant with a reputation to match wouldn't have been able to gather that kind of demographics.
It's silly that people treat her country like a paradise and willingly congregate there.
It will probably he revealed that she doesnt actually kill people with her age taking ability or whatever the fuck it is.
>First half of the grand line: A paradise
>New World:Fucking horrible
>Jobbers left and right in the new world
>hell
no.
>>143659894
oda forgot
>>143652794
>>143656734
>>143657895
Why the forest and not anything between the island she was on and where they are now?
She sent them to island where they want to go, they'd have run int trouble anywhere anyways
>>143660386
It's the same with Grand Line.
Hyped it up as the craziest thing ever and yet it's full of shitters or regular civilians surviving just fine. Entirely kingdoms with no strong warriors somehow existing no problem.
>>143660386
Pre-timeskip Strawhats would have been wrecked by the New World
Doflmaingo was a somewhat challenging opponent, and I'm sure they'll struggle against Big Mom and Kaido and their respective crews
I'm just curious to see what Kaido's going to do since he wants a big war and since he may soon have knowledge that Big Mom unknowingly possesses Poseidon
>>143660527
>Pre-timeskip Strawhats would have been wrecked by the New World
The other supernova crews seem to have managed fine.
>>143660450
Remember that shit? How hyped the Grand Line was? Remember how people said it was the pirates grave yard that no one came back from and it was a big deal that Zeff and Krieg made it out?
Thanks Oda.
>>143660657
I'd like to see what happens when non-jobber Strawhats fight the other Supernovas, I'd imagine they'd crush most of them
>>143660738
Yeah Krieg would have been fine if he didn't run into a bored Mihawk
>>143660444
because it was a trap?
>>143660527
How? Doffy was only on the radar because of Law. The Strawhats wouldn't have fought Doffy 2 years ago. Would they be able to finish the New World as quickly as Paradise? Definitely not. Does that they'll get completely wrecked? Absolutely not. Everyone else survived just fine.
>>143660386
Well, the jobbers think it's hell, at least.
>>143660657
>Kidd, Killer, Hawkins, and Apoo, and X Drake become Kaido's bitch
>Capone is Big Mam's bitch
>Bonney in hiding
>Urouge hiding out in sky islands
Yeah they're doing alright
>>143660924
>Everyone else survived just fine.
Except for Bonney's crew.
>>143660657
>bonney instantly wrecked by blackbeard and captured by marines
>drake serves kaido now
>bege serves big mom now
>urouge got wrecked and is healing up on a sky island
>kid has one arm less
>law didn't even go until like a year later
sure, the monster trio might've survived somehow but the rest of crew could've died like moria's
>>143660988
Could be worse.
>>143661034
Yea, cause having 12 big hairy dudes with you while stealing pizza is a good idea.
>>143660892
Well if they were guaranteed to run into trouble anywhere she sure did them a great favour
>>143660924
>spreading your asscheeks to "the man" is doing well for yourself
Yeah Strawhats were never going to do that, so Big Mom, Kaido, and maybe Blackbeard would have come to crush them much sooner, and then if they were lucky enough to survive the first attack, they'd have to run and hide under Shanks to survive any further, which is something Luffy would not like doing
>>143661067
Not if you're aiming to be pirate king.
>>143660527
>I'm just curious to see what Kaido's going to do since he wants a big war
He doesn't want a big war, he wants a total, world-wide war. He's suicidal, but since he can't off himself, he turned to omnicide instead.
>>143660924
everyone else probably didn't go on the island with the overpowered logia
>>143659633
Honestly it seems like this affliction is something that Big Only has only started suffering from fairly recently. People, even her own kids, seem pretty shocked and horrified at how she's acting.
>>143661128
>Well if
holy shit dude
>>143661180
That's why I'm guessing Kaido would go for Poseidon
If he got his hands on that, he could wreck anyone in the One Piece world and cause a shitload of chaos and destruction
Obviously the Marines and the Yonko wouldn't appreciate that, especially Big Mom who would consider Poseidon "hers" because it's in her territory, even if she didn't know about it
>>143661298
So the big takedown order is
>Big Mam
>Kaido
>WG takes down Shanks or Revolutionary Army
>Blackbeard, WG, Revolutionary Army/Shanks + Strawhat Fleet 3 Way Battle Royale over Raftel
And then Luffy becomes Pirate King
>>143661573
>a "trap"
>Big Mom has large territories with numerous allies
>group is clueless on how to proceed
>gives them a secret, direct route to the main island somehow avoiding any confrontation
>the "trap" is some living trees, creatures and "illusions"
The hell kind of a trap is that
>in an extremely dangerous place I'll show them exactly where to go and get them there very fast which is by far the biggest obstacle, but some tricky forest there will be their undoing!
>>143661113
Do you really think that if she really had 12 big hairy dudes with her she would have to steal pizzas one slice at a time and by skulking around, instead of just taking over the pizzeria? She got rekt by Blackbeard and miraculously escaped Akainu after an unspecified amount of time. She has no crew to speak of.
>>143661692
the kind that oda writes
>>143661681
I always thought that Big Mom and Kaido would go down first, then in the ensuing power vacuum Blackbeard would go for the final take-down on Shanks, making Blackbeard the de facto King of the Pirates until he or Luffy found One Piece
>>143661692
>somehow avoiding any confrontation
They didn't though. Fuck.
>>143661803
I actually don't think Luffy will straight up fight Big Mom. He'll humiliate her and get some victory but Kaido will be the first Yonko he actually beats so it'll be as big a deal as when he beat Crocodile. Blackbeard is definitely gonna make a power play but the WG needs to be dealt with in some way. It's just a toss up of whether WG or Blackbeard are the final villains
>>143661180
>Surely i'll die fighting in this war
>Survives
>Fuck
>>143661692
the ants think about the ants!
>>143661985
>He'll humiliate her and get some victory
if he leaves this arc on bad terms with big mom, he'll be getting a few "presents" soon
>>143660657
Two years in the New World and they've done the same amount of progress as the SH done in a few weeks
>>143661692
>Everyone complains arcs take to long.
>Everyone complains some arcs are heavily convoluted.
>Not everything has to be convoluted and sometimes things can be that simple.
>Bad story writing is doing the same thing over and over, switching things up from convoluted to simple is a good thing.
Why does anyone think this is a bad thing?
>>143661692
Big Mom wants her enemies close, anon. She knows he is in her territory and she is probably planning something big to do to him, be it related to the tea party or not.
Can't wait till Luffy uses Gear First; who knows what it could be.
Probably a monkey god.
I had an Idea for a pirate
anyone wanna hear it?
>>143662904
Absolutely; we all love original characters here and we won't steal them.
>>143662085
Why? It's not like he didn't go to a Tea Party or anything. Big Mom already showed that she's kinda on board with the whole "Pirate = Free" deal. The Strawhats left on bad terms in FI too. And she did the reasonable thing and said she'd direct her gaze towards the SHs.
An hour of Oda drawing. Strangely captivating.
http://www.bilibili.com/video/av3196462/
When will Big Mom open the Tamate Box?
>>143662933
okay
His name is Lawrence "Noose Neck" Longfellow
He was an average new world Pirate that stayed behind to hold off the Marines while his crew escaped after they stole a huge supply of gold.
He was hung from a tree for his crimes, but for some reason he didn't die.
the figured if they just left him he'd eventually starve to death, so they left him hanging.
Weeks passed and he only survived by eating birds that tried to peck his tongue out.
eventually, his body stretched to the point where he could get free of his noose leaving him freakishly tall with a super long neck.
his trick is that he uses Kami-e and the stretchiness of his body to coil around his opponents and suffocate/strangle them
>>143653242
I know it's a troll, but why?
Seeing Nami or Robin kiss a crewmate would be like watching your girlfriend make out with a retard.
>>143663509
>>143663515
Not trolling.
Also Sanji does not look at Nami like a sister. Only Luffy sees her that way.
>>143660431
>oda
>forgetting anything
>>143663592
what?
with all the weird ass ways people have mutated in the series a guy stretching after being hung isn't really that far fetched?
remember the guy who sat in a treasure chest so long that his body literally fused with it, that's a lot weirder.
>>143663163
thank you for linking this, I enjoyed watching it.
>>143661799
No he doesn't. comparing this so called trap to Doffy trap laid out are different. Doffy traps were way more elaborate and made actual sense compared to this
>>143661573
Your whole argument is based on a if
>>143661985
With two of the Yonko defeated I figure the chaos would keep the WG very distracted.
>>143663739
Gaimon is weird, yea, but that doesn't make Long Noose Jackson over there any better. Especially with the damn surviving on crows, magical survival of being hung and suffocating people with his langy neck shit.
>>143659577
Strawhats get a numbered chapter everytime they join the Strawhats, or have a moment where they put aside some part of their behavior to rejoin proper. Zoro, Sanji, Franky and Brook all got theirs when they joined, but Nami only got hers at the end of the Arlong arc, and Usopp only got his at the end of the Water 7 Saga. The only two who haven't yet are Robin and Chopper. Robin hadn't got hers after Water 7, so it's assumed hers will come after we have a proper Revolutionary saga. Chopper though, it's really hard to say what will make him have his crew placement crisis. My guess though is he'll remind them that he never actually affirmed to go with them, just sort of silently came along after Luffy said 'shut up, let's go'.I think it will be about his devil fruit. Unlike the others he doesn't really have a people of his own. He's not a human though he acts like one. He's not a minkmen though he looks like one. He's just a reindeer, and his intelligence is all because of his fruit. So what is really him, and what's the fruit? Robin, Luffy, Brook, their devil fruits are a part of them, but they aren't their sapience or intelligence. Really all Chopper is is a beast with a mind given to him by a fruit. There's some serious existential depression to unpackage from that.
>>143664116
this is the universe where Ace's mom held him in for a few extra months to hide him from the World Government.
biology don't mean shit bruv.
>>143663957
and your point? the strawhats are still stuck in a deadly forest on the coast that pudding told directed them to.
>>143664165
And also, Chopper's bounty is definitely going to be a plot point. Remember when Sanji's face not being seen in bounties was a joke and then it became a plot point? Think of how much Chopper idolized Hiriluk's vision, and especially with pirates. How can it feel to grow up on believing in the freedom of pirates and then discovering, after years at sea, you've got a category that has you at the lowest ranking possible? It's got to sting him in more than just a comical way, to find you're the worst out of a profession of millions, at least to one form of ranking?
>>143663509
that'd be a scary guy to fight.
but it'd be pretty funny to see him try and fight Luffy
>>143661692
Anon that's because this trap laid out is all head canon.
Why is a yonko setting something up as petty as a trap in her own territory? Definitely when she had the element of surprise and could have easily killed them by now? Why would she need her daughter to lead them there instead of just sinking there ship in the middle of the ocean? So pudding knew that the SH was on her island and would eat her cafe? Oh and she apparently gets told great detail about sanji but is only allowed to see his wanted poster. She can accurately guess that sanji would actually love to marry her but wants to return to his crew. Instead of sending a whole crew in the forest to kill the strawhats they just send one white rabbit, who's quick to attack and give his self away. And there's even more nonsense where that came from
>>143664223
Nigga, I'm just saying that it's weird. Yea, weird shit hppens in one Piece but it's still weird shit. It's okay. I'm not shitting on your OC. Everying is fine.
>>143664537
honestly he'd probably see it as a boon because it allows him to get away with a lot more stuff.
It's awesome when a Pirate fucks the Marines over by breaking the rules of their system, but using their own system against them to fuck them over is even more awesome!
>>143664476
>your point
Why would oda give doffy a great trap and yet give a yonko a flunky trap that looks like it wouldn't even work.plus she never said to go into some woods
These are the questions to ask yourself to determine whether or not Pudding was lying and set a trap for the Strawhats.
>Did Pudding tell the Strawhats to meet on the southwest coast?
yes.
>Are the Strawhats currently on the southwest coast?
yes
>Have the Strawhats faced danger since docking on the southwest coast?
yes..
>Was Pudding on the southwest coast with Sanji as promised?
no.
>>143664822
>was pudding and sanji on the south coast
Yes
>>143664784
>Why would oda give doffy a great trap
He didn't. It failed.
>>143664776
If it was he hasn't really shown he's seen it that way. He reacted in shock and despair when he saw how low his first bounty was.
>>143664702
>Human Noose Technique!
>Shishishi, this guy's pretty funny!
>>143664772
Alright.
Also, I was wondering if I should have him searching for his old crew or building a new one of his own.
thoughts?
>>143664859
Oh so they do have their cook back. I must have misread the chapter. See I thought they were lured into the Seducing Woods by look-alikes.
>>143661803
>Luffy defeats Big Mom
>Leaves the Charlotte family in charge so that there's no power vacuum
>No one outside of Totland learns about Big Mom being taken down
>Luffy didn't even want to rule anything anyhow
>SHs go to Wano
>They defeat Kaido with the help of the samurai, Minks, remnants of the Whitebeard Pirates, Moriah and whoever Killer found to help his husbando
>Whitebeard Jr. arc
>after a brief fight Luffy convinces him to disregard his mom and go after what he wants - which is Blackbeard
>with a full set of crewmates, Luffy finds Shanks
>They fight, Shanks said they would in chapter 1 so they do
>After being beaten, Shanks swears loyalty to Luffy and unveils the fourth Road Poneglyph
>The two crews go to Raftel
>Blackbeard follows them
>they land on Raftel, find the One Piece and the Real Poneglyph
>Robin reads it, the crews learn about all the shit that the World Government did during the Void Century
>shit ain't tight, yo
>BB attacks, takes them by surprise
>Manages to beat them and takes them to Mariejois, crashing the Reverie to announce his becoming the Pirate King
>The execution of the SHs and the Red-Hairs is televised
>EVERYBODY EVER SHOWS UP
>All the named Navy people are there to protect MJ, as are the Impel Down staff, to watch the prisoners
>Whatever's left of the Shichibukai
>All the representatives of Strawhat-friendly countries are there already
>Fucking Wapol is there, trying to fuck over Sakura Kingdom, but whatever
>The Revolutionaries come in (Sabo needs to take on Stelly, that cunt)
>Straw Hat Grand Fleet (Leo must learn that Mansherry is just playing tsundere eventually)
>Law and his crew
>Zounisha and the Minks
>The Kujas, the New Kamas
>Weevil, I guess
>Laboon circumnavigates through half the world to save Luffy and Brook, because he won't fucking let the World Government make those two break both their promises at the same time
>Rayleigh make some calls and puts the band back together
>FUCKING ORO JACKSON OUT OF NOWHERE
>>143665043
>They manage to save the prisoners
>Luffy finally gets to beat Magellan
>Luffy punches BB so hard he vomits out the rest of the Whitebears, who were in his Black Hole the whole time
>Or maybe it's Bonney, let's give her some closure
>Either way, the Whitebeards are all together again, for the most part
>Luffy grabs the mike, gives it to Robin
>She tells everybody in the world about what WG did
>drops the mike
>that causes a rift in the Navy
>the ones still loyal under Akainu now have to fight thier brothers, led by the Fujitora, Garp, Smoker and Coby, who's probably gonna be a Rear Admiral at that point
>Law steals this super-hidden Mariejois treasure Doffy mentioned
>It'll become plot relevant in some way, iunno
>Anyways, Luffy finally gets to beat Akainu, as well
>but he probably gets hit hard
>Law sacrifices his life to do that OP OP thing Doffy wanted him to do, and saves Luffy
>Luffy tells everyone to run from MJ, and then crashes it into Fishman Island
>it's okay though, Shirahoshi ordered the Neptunians to evacuate FI and take them all on board Noah
>Monkey D. Luffy, the Captain of the Straw Hat Pirates, toppled the World Government, creating a new era in geopolitics
>Everyone agrees he's the Pirate King
>The Navy gets reformed and decides to create a new way of classifying pirates
>they create a separate category for adventurers who only want to follow their dreams, like Pirate King Luffy and his buddies
>Meanwhile, after witnessing firsthand what "Candy Lover" Chopper really can do, someone in the bounty poster department raises his bounty from the partly sum he has to several hundred million Beli
>After he finishes the poster, he's reminded that SHs are "the good ones", so he throws the poster away
>Luffy and the crew go back to Foosha Village
>Luffy leaves a huge pile of treasure in front of Makino's bar to settle his tab
>The epilogue shows the SHs visiting all the places they have been to, to leave the readers with warm and fuzzy feelings.
>>143665043
>>They defeat Kaido with the help of the samurai, Minks, remnants of the Whitebeard Pirates, Moriah and whoever Killer found to help his husbando
As if it would be that quick. First they have to deal with the Shogun that is ruling Wano. Kaido is somewhere else drinking booze
>>143664915
I say new crew cause having some OC guy be under some no name crew is a waste of character. Eh, ye, his old crew got their money and they retired cause New World was tough. Bam. So have Noose Mcgee find some new guys that survived executions in weird/lucky ways. Luffy can relate to that.
>>143660101
What else do you expect them to do? Live on a supposed happy island full food or be food for kaido and god knows what else out there? She would be the least evil if you don't want to get dicked in the grand line
>>143664822
The wood is alive, and pudding is supposed to be a resident. You would think the island wouldn't attack pudding herself, therefore making the bimbo think it is safe for everyone
>>143665238
Sweet!
I'll call them the Noose Neck pirates!
>>143665337
>You would think the island wouldn't attack pudding herself
Why?
>>143664862
>it failed
Ok and look why it failed. 1) viola still wasn't loyal. If she was sanji would have died 100% 2) he didn't anticipate sabo joining the tournament. Jesus would have got ace devil fruit at least then since luffy would have left 3) he didn't expect jola to be stupid enough to fall for a obvious lie or that ship crew would have all been dead. 4) he didn't expect sugar to fall for a shitty gag/asspull. If not for that then luffy and law would have dead.
His plan was actually a good one and had all the right stuff, he just didn't expect the unexpected. While this BM trap is just stupid and makes absolutely no sense
>>143664822
I believe that Pudding is lying, but I have to say that Nami herself said that they were late for the meeting, tho.
Let's wait and see what's going to happen.... In two weeks.rest well, oda ;_;
>>143664932
Oh you did misread, because luffy said they were there.
>>143665484
Because that's big mom daughter on her fucking mom island. The creatures in the forest doesn't even look particularly intelligent as seen with the big ass croco, that for some reason stopped attacking them
>>143665495
>While this BM trap is just stupid and makes absolutely no sense
kek okay
>>143665575
Ah and the SHs met with them then, right?
>>143665596
>send them to a trap for no reason instead of just killing him
>send them to a not so deadly forest
>send one subordinate to kill them all
Plus what if they had just listened to nami and went back to the shore to wait? Then what? Would that mean her whole plan was BTFO?
>>143665554
They were a few minutes late yet Luffy still manages to see them
So Pudding and Sanji disappear and lure the SHs into the woods because they weren't on time?
>>143665664
They were late, a lot of things could have happened. Oda wouldn't just throw that out there for no reason
How many days are we away from the Wedding? Two days?
Since they spent one day sailing to Whole Cake Island, I assume we are actually only one day away, so shit is about to get started and Big Mom has everything under control, with Jimbe having to deal with the dart board and the SHs lost in the woods
Oh god
>>143665716
>what if
i don't know. what if?
>>143661573
>>143665448
Or the Noose Naysayers
I don't even know if "naysayer" works in this context.
>>143665778
>dart board
And here I thought it was some kinda Wheel of Torture kinda thing. I mean, they even call it a "roulette".
>>143665794
ok then explain how pudding knows so much about sanji if she never met him.
>>143665921
>>143665840
alot of things could have happened. They could have ran off since they were being chased, we still have yet to see the pudding clone that was there in that case. Oh but let me guess "she's not needed" is that your excuse
>>143666115
>They could have ran off since they were being chased
Sanji looks like he's really being chased.
>>143665904
I think it is just a mistranslation since it looks nothing like a proper roulette
>>143666115
> Oh but let me guess "she's not needed" is that your excuse
No but it's Oda's.
>>143665976
Oh yeah you're right because I totally see that he's a chef, a gentleman, a smoker, and would marry her but can't since he wants to go back to his crew.
>>143665921
How does Big Mom know everything about everyone?
>>143665554
Hopefully Vizanon delivers tomorrow. Niggerstream was awful this week
>>143666253
That sanji isn't with a pudding now is he
Do you think Oda make shit up as the manga go along, or he has all the stories and characters stories already set in stone?
Because for some reason, i just can't see this sekrit assassin sanji family happening unless it is to pad up arcs. I know there was foreshadowing with the wanted posters, but it wasn't like some of the other strawhats had unique ones made for just comedy sake.
>>143666352
>a smoker
nigger are you blind?
>Your fiance is chef of the Strawhat Pirates, Sanji Vinsmoke
>would marry her but can't since he wants to go back to his crew.
We've been over this faggot. She only said that after his crew shows up to save him.
>>143666367
She's a yonko but that has nothing to do with my question. Show how does pudding know sanji personality and hobbies?
>>143666429
....???
So are you saying that Sanji alone is luring his friends into the forest?
>>143666266
Didn't Viz say roulette too? Maybe it's Oda just picking an English word that sounded kinda right.
>>143666491
>She's a yonko but that has nothing to do with my question
It absolutely does. That yonko told her daughter about her fiance.
>>143666352
>want to marry you but I can't
They know he is a womanizer and would marry any pretty girl. They also know he would chose his friends over any random pretty girl.
Is not rocket science anon.
>>143666491
If only Pudding and Big Mom were related in some way, we could make the conjecture that Pudding knew that stuff because Big Mom told her.
>>143666491
>Mother talks to Daughter about future husband
WOAAAHHHH, MY FUCKING MIND IS BLOWN, DUUUUDE
Come on now.
Did we forget how completely out of character it is for Sanji to reject a woman? The crew even seemed shocked that that happened.
Hell, even in Dressrosa when Viola was seducing him he was already practicing his goodbye to Nami and Robin.
Literally everything Pudding describes about him could be derived from the wanted poster.
Curly eyebrows, heart shaped eyes, black legs? (Which is the title on his wanted poster above all things.)
>>143666458
>your fiancé is the chef of the strawhats
>she only said that after she met the crew
Anon You're basically giving off "ifs" . You don't know if BM told her sanji was a chef and you're basically saying "what if she put it together that he would marry her but rather go back to his crew since they came for him." You don't have proof of this besides your head canon so you can deny the obvious and explain your theory. Plus oh let me guess BM told her that sanji was a gentleman also.
>>143666729
They are supposed to have grown up out of their "flaws" post time skip. That's why he got sent to a tranny island
>>143666549
>what if BM her: the post
>>143667102
*Told her
>>143666729
Sanji has learned that the mission is more important than the woman. By going on the journey with his friends he is likely to find a new woman regardless.
It applies to real life as well, like a stupid person dropping out of high school to support his girlfriend. Then he's surprised when she dumps him later due to him being a loser with no education or job.
>>143667003
>Anon You're basically giving off "ifs"
Okay since a mom discussing details of marriage with her daughter is too much for you, let's stick to what we know.
>Pudding said to meet on the southwest coast and gave them a route to reach the coast without being seen,
>Pudding and Sanji are seen then mysteriously disappear and the SHs are lured into the deadly forest by Sanji.
>Big Mom subordinate happened to be in the forest and tried to kill Nami.
>The forest is sentient and intends to keep the SHs in there until they die.
>Pudding is nowhere to be seen
She did not deliver the Sanji to the Strawhats as promised. The Strawhats are now lost in a deadly forest after following directions that Pudding gave them.
>>143666432
A bit of both.
>>143666504
>Real Sanji and Pudding are in the forest
>Clone Sanji is messing with Luffy
Are you really struggling to grasp at that alternative? It's not really that far fetched
>>143666634
You're acting like BM has to talk to her about her fiancé. BM clearly isn't your normal mother and I doubt she honestly cares if you want to marry the person or not. So stop making it seem like it's a for sure thing BM talked to her about him. Unless I skipped a chapter where they hand a conversation
>>143667037
Nigga, what? They're supposed to be stronger. That's literally it.
Luffy is still an idiot who loves met to unhealthy degress
Zoro is still an alcoholic, broken GPS, smug marimo
Usopp is still a coward that yells at shit
Nami is still a money hungry bitch
Sanji is still an ultimate pussy chaser
Chopper still can't take compliments, gets scared easily
Robin is still shit at drawings.
Franky is still a pervert
Brook is still a pervy grandpa.
But they all got strong. That was the entire point.
>>143667383
Speed reader confirmed
>>143667288
You're forgetting
>Some force is capable of cloning people (Luffy)
We do not know if Pudding tricked them so that's a what if. Another what if is that Pudding was unable to make it to the shore and the Pudding and Sanji seen so far are clones.
>>143667037
Not really their major character flaws are still there and in Sanji's case it's probably even more apparent. He didn't see a woman in 2 years and that made him even more desperate.
>>143667358
See this anon gets it
>>143667358
>It's not really that far fetched
>>>
and do you know what's less far fetched?
The Strawhats were lured into the Seducing Woods from the getgo.
>>143667438
As someone who regularly uses the term where it actually applies. Please do not besmirch it by throwing it at any situation where you made a claim you cannot defend.
>>143667288
Why did it try to kill Nami?
Is it because Sanji said he wouldn't marry her because he loves Nami? Is that why they are trying to get rid of Nami?
>>143667463
>We do not know if Pudding tricked them so that's a what if
So someone else must have known the Strawhats were headed to the southwest coast to pick up Sanji. Which means that Pudding snitched.
>>143667507
I don't care about your shit flinging argument. The poster I replied to was incapable of comprehending the point the other anon was making when it seemed obvious to me. I was only taking the chance to call the poster a retard.
When the chapter in question had two Luffy's confronting each other, it's baffling that someone seems to think the Sanji we saw was the real one without even acknowledging the other possibilities.
>>143667553
But it does apply because to you because your definition of character development involves characters getting stronger in a fight. Pay more attention to the dialogue post timeskip and you'll see plenty of development.
Luffy is treated more like a captain.
Usopp is more true to himself (hence why he developed haki).
etc etc
>>143667566
Might be just an edgy bunny desu
>>143667486
>Pudding says to meet on southwest coast
>Is not aware of Seducing Woods
>Gets trapped along with the SHs despite every effort to deliver Sanji safely
>Some third party has been following Pudding to know of her plans with Sanji on the southwest coast
>Random third party lures SHs into forest, completely unrelated from Pudding's instructions
come the fuck on.
>>143667288
> a mother can't discuss wedding details with her daughter
My thing is you literally have no proof of them having a conversation besides you're own logic of "this should happen" or "what if this happened". You're acting like it's impossible that big mom wouldn't talk to her daughter about the wedding.
And if we're going off facts from what we read and not our head logic then.
>pudding saved luffy and co
>she gave them a map to the island so they wouldn't be caught or blown out the water
> she met sanji and he said the exact same thing he told Vito
> her and sanji both was waiting at the shore but then something caused them to disappear
>the woods are called seducing woods
> she never said anything about going into the woods
>>143667633
So you are making a random point, unrelated to the context of the topic?
>>143667601
>Pudding heads to coast
>Others pick up on it and cut her off
or
>Pudding heads to coast
>gets delayed because she's supposed to bring the groom as well which could easily draw attention
>others notice SHs and plan accordingly
I'm not saying it's impossible for Pudding to be a traitor, but it's just as easy to say she's not. She is a daughter of Big Mom, was travelling through her territory, has special attention paid to her as a soon to be bride, and promised to bring Sanji there when he's probably not just sitting around in the middle of nowhere. Plenty could have happened to lead to others being aware that the SHs were going to touch down on the shore line.
Everything regarding the forest itself is also thrown out since we know for sure that clone shenanigans are afoot. Nothing is certain.
>>143667822
>You're acting like it's impossible that big mom wouldn't talk to her daughter about the wedding.
....do I really have to explain how retarded you sound
>>143667822
>she didn't say don't go in the woods
She didn't say shit about it that's the problem.. She could've said becareful don't go in those woods. They will trap you. She didn't mention shit though
>>143667645
>you
Anon is not one person new friend. I saw you calling some a speedreader, followed the chain, and saw no real reason to accuse someone of being a speed reader when you were the one who made too tall a claim to be satisfied.
>>143655078
>Pudding is ugly as fuck.
What the fuck are you smoking?
>>143667847
>>Others pick up on it and cut her off
>>gets delayed because she's supposed to bring the groom as well which could easily draw attention
>others notice SHs and plan accordingly
or, and just follow me here,
Pudding successfully lured the SHs into the Seducing Woods.
>>143667833
>random point
>unrelated to the context
You shouldn't use words you don't understand anon. My point was not at random and completely in context, I'm just not concerned with arguing beyond the confines of the post I replied to. Reread the post you replied to if you're still confused.
>>143667999
She is, when you compare her to Hancock,Robin,Bonney,Baby 5, Vivi. I can go on all night.
Carrot is the true traitor
>>143668013
>"I'm not saying it's impossible for Pudding to be a traitor, but it's just as easy to say she's not."
Look autismo, I know it's hard to follow conversations, but you need to take the time to actually process what you're reading before you make a retard out of your self. You might as well be throwing a tantrum since I already made it clear that I consider it a possibility. Your post is literally worthless as anything but a show of your own stupidity/lack of reading comprehension.
>>143667645
Nigger, I never claimed that the Strawhats didn't get any character development. But the phrase "They are supposed to have grown up out of their "flaws" post time skip" is objectively false. The flaws are still there and still blatant. But that is what makes those chracters them. If Luffy was smart and all serious he wouldn't be Luffy any more. If Usopp was fearless and unbeatable, if Sanji wasn't thirsting for girls, if Zoro wasn't lost 24/7, etc. The point of the fucking timeskip wasn't to get rid of those. That was my point. And I call all those "flaws" because you characterise Sanji's horniness as one.
>>143668096
Don't forget Praline, Shirahoshi, Tashigi and Kalifa
>>143667760
Or
>she knows how the seducing woods work and aren't worried about them
>she didn't tell the SH about it since They wouldn't have a need of going into them.
>rabbit guy is hot on her and sanji trail and since the SH are late they just have no choice but to run
> the place is called seducing woods. As in they're seducing.
We can clearly see by the last page that they killed before. So it wouldn't be surprising if the woods their selves lured luffy and co in. Now tell me that isn't plausible at all
>>143668096
>Hancock
Yeah, I agree on this one.
>Robin
Yeah, no.
>Bonney
I agree on this one as well
>Baby 5
Hell no.
>Vivi
Ir you are taking Vivi post-time skip, then maybe.
Anyway, the is point is that you say she is ugly, which obviously isn't true at all m8.
>>143668056
>Sanji and Pudding are being chased
>Pic of Sanji lounging
>That sanji isn't with a pudding now is he
>So are you saying that Sanji alone is luring his friends into the forest?
>Real Sanji and Pudding are in the forest
>Clone Sanji is messing with Luffy
>it's not farfetched
>and do you know what's less far fetched? The Strawhats were lured into the Seducing Woods from the getgo.
>I don't care about your shit flinging argument.
So you are just asserting the possibility of Sanji having a clone messing with Luffy while the real Sanji is trapped in the forest as well? Okay...
>>143668194
>>143668096
Lads, come on. Just because she isn't 10/10 doesn't mean she's ugly. She's at least 7.5 or above. Ugly should be 5 or below.
Pudding will marry Sanji and join the Strawhats
>>143665896
how about the Long Hanging Pirates?
>>143667914
It's BM, the same person pudding said her kids knew she only wanted them for her own gain. The same person who killed her own son and has yet to show a ounce of remorse. So for BM just to say " youre marrying vinsmoke boy" and that be the end of it isn't crazy at all. You just want to find a logical excuse for your "if"
>>143668317
>implying Big Mom will let her
>Implying daddy Vinsmoke and Sanji's siblings will let him do the same
>>143668260
>>she knows how the seducing woods work and aren't worried about them
>>she didn't tell the SH about it since They wouldn't have a need of going into them.
>> the place is called seducing woods. As in they're seducing.
>this place on the southwest coast is very dangerous and will try to lure anyone in if they are not careful.
>i dont need to warn the SHs about that
>>143668378
it fits with the noose theme and their captain being long!
ACCEPTED!plus I like the Innuendo!
>>143668152
you are very smart and present yourself in a calm and collected fashion
>>143668260
Except she did have to tell them because she knew they would get seduced in there. You just don't leave that kind of information out. It's too dangerous, unless you want them to go in the forest.
>>143668479
>Implying they won't run away together
>>143668454
>So for BM just to say " youre marrying vinsmoke boy" and that be the end of it isn't crazy at all
>you're marrying sanji vinsmoke, chef of the strawhat pirates
>>143668536
I bet the Marines will call that executioner "Loose Hanging" Lawrence.
I think an Anon brought this point up in the last thread. It was that Laboon should know that Brook is still alive/coming to meet him since Crocus could have shown off brooks new wanted poster or newspapers articles.
I was just thinking, what if Crocus has seen the papers/posters and has decided not to tell Laboon? Not in a bad way, but a "Let it be a surprise way"?
>>143668486
>let me warn them that they could be lured into the seducing woods despite the fact that they're just suppose to be picking sanji up from the shore with me there
Like I said no need.
>>143668267
>>143668275
Ugh yes she is ugly when there are literally 10/10 in this manga. Fuck off.
>>143668631
>I bet the Marines will call that executioner
do you mean "I bet the Marines will call him "Loose Hanging" Lawrence"?
>>143668635
It'd be cool, I guess?
Not entirely sure what you want us to say. I'd be crying at the reunion either way so it makes no difference to me,
>>143668673
>Like I said no need.
So are the Strawhats trapped in the Seducing Woods right now?
>>143668536
>His Crew won't shut up about how "Long" he is
>Everyone takes it the wrong way until he shows up in his 15 foot tall glory
>>143668724
No, cause the executioners knot/noose wasn't tight enough.
>>143668553
Why would she tell them when she would be there with them? She just didn't anticipate getting chased.
>>143668827
>She just didn't anticipate getting chased.
Who is chasing her?
>>143668728
Just seeing what everyone else thinks. But yeah, Either way there's gonna be tears when those two meet again.
>>143668825
ah, that makes sense
the "Lawrence" at the end threw me off!
>>143668790
>are they trapped
Yeah, but pudding and sanji could be too
>>143668930
>Yeah, but pudding and sanji could be too
>>143668548
Was what I said at all wrong?
>>143668856
The rabbit guy and that's why he could be in the woods
>>143668965
>Pudding could be a traitor but she could also not
You've made a neutral claim. You're no more wrong than you are correct.
>>143668617
>you're marrying sanji vinsmoke, chef of the SH
citation? If you don't have one you're basically claiming a "If" as proof.
>>143668984
>Pudding could be good
>Pudding could have left out info Seducing Woods for good reasons
>Pudding and Sanji disappearing and luring the SHs into the forest could be good reasons
>Rabbit guy that attacked Nami could be looking for Pudding and Sanji
or and just follow me here
Pudding could have successfully lured the Strawhats into the Seducing Woods.
>>143668272
The context was Sanji and Pudding actually being in the forest. The poster I replied to assumed that the Sanji in the pic he linked was the real Sanji. I mocked him for making such a post for a chapter involving doppelgangers. Did I really have to spell it out for you three times? That's pathetic.
>>143668957
>they couldn't be
>>143669194
I was using your argument format there...
>>143669202
>could have left out the seducing woods for good reason
Where did I claim it was a good reason? I just said I wasn't needed
>pudding successfully lured them into the forest
ok if it proves she didn't and she's not lying will you admit that you're autistic for thinking this?
>>143669059
Yes, and the poster I replied to had the impression that I did not when I made it blatantly clear in the first sentence of my post. Like I said, I'm not wrong in mocking the post in question.
If we want to go further back into the reply chain, the posts I were replying to were not neutral and were instead on the side of Pudding being a traitor. I was pointing out that it was flawed thinking through my neutral stance.
I'm glad that you took your first step, but you seemed to have stopped there instead of catching up completely. Feel free to re read the posts, since having to spoonfeed only requires more effort from both parties.
>>143669207
>The poster I replied to assumed that the Sanji in the pic he linked was the real Sanji
You're an idiot for assuming that. This is why I said your point was unrelated. I've been arguing under the premise that Pudding set a trap for the Strawhats and led them into the forest via doppelgangers.
For you to come in and assert that the real Sanji could be out there in the forest as well is nonsense in that context.
>>143669425
>Yes, and the poster I replied to had the impression that I did not
This is not true. I just reasserted the claim I have been making since the beginning.
>>143669408
when will you let up? The Strawhats are in the Seducing after following the instructions Pudding gave them.
Pudding promised to bring Sanji to southwest coast. Pudding failed on that promise. Pudding lied.
>>143669239
>Pudding doesn' know about the Seducing Woods
>>143669464
>>143666115
>poster claims that the real Sanji is in danger
>>143666253
>reply with a pic of a different character with a file name "Sanjiindanger"
>with the text being "Sanji look like he's really being chased"
>>143666429
>reply is anon making a point that the person in the pic is not Sanji
>>143666504
>pic poster replies with "So are you saying that Sanji alone is luring his friends into the forest?" which in the context of the prior post implies that pic poster believes Sanji in pic to be real Sanji
>>143667358
>makes clear that the pic is entirely irrelevant to what anon was saying
>>143667486
>acknowledges that pic poster was miscomprehending as well and that the point I was making was the point he was making
This is now the fourth time I had to break this down for you. You can backpedal all you want. The picture posted was entirely irrelevant to >>143666115
>>143669552
So explain to me the purpose of
>>143668013
when the first sentence of
>>143667847
Is a shortened version of what >>143668013
bothered to post. Tell me why you felt the need to reassert a claim in reply to a post that already made that exact claim. Like I said in, >>143668152 reasserting your claim was worthless because I already acknowledged and accepted it. If you can actually show where the value in that post is, feel free to prove me wrong. All you did was reply with >>143668548
which is basically "u mad?"
>>143669844
>The picture posted was entirely irrelevant to >>143666115
then i guess that's where i was wrong.
>>143669972
>Tell me why you felt the need to reassert a claim in reply to a post that already made that exact claim.
By reasserting my claim, I was disregarding the other end of your neutral statement.
>>143669985
And only after being told that in
>>143666429
>>143667358
>>143667486
>>143667633
>>143668056
>>143669207
>>143669844
It took you awhile, but you finally made it to Grade Three reading comprehension.
>>143670085
are you super proud of yourself now?
>>143670045
>I was disregarding part of your statement by acknowledging a point you already stated was irrelevant
Try again. I already covered that in >>143669425
>>143670130
More like super disappointed that you needed me to waste that much time to get such a simple point through your head. It baffled me enough that I really needed to drive home how stupid you are. I know people can be bullheaded but you're certainly up there
>>143670165
>Try again
uhm fuck off?
That's what I was doing regardless of what you say.
>>143670208
wew you got me
>>143669620
> they followed her instructions
> she told them to run into a forest
Sure they did anon. So their shouldn't be a problem if you're so sure that she's lying. All I want is for you to admit that you're autistic for thinking she is lying and luring them into traps. Once it gets proven she isn't
>>143663648
He forgot that he had drawn Usopp's mother and said in an interview he'd never drawn a Straw Hat's parent until Robin.
>>143670280
>Doppelgangers didn't lure the Strawhats into the forest
>Pudding was on the coast
>Strawhats have their cook and are on their Wano
>>143670230
>That's what I was doing regardless of what you say.
What a worthless comment. No shit that's what you were trying to do. "Trying" is the operative word. I was saying that it holds no value because, if you actually read my post and understood it, you would have realized that I already shot down that argument. As I've said several times. What you were doing was meaningless. The value you put to that post was false.
>>143670423
Pudding lied and set a trap.
>>143666319
So are we all in agreement that Pudding's slime can mirror other people like Ditto?
Kaga Kaga no mi, maybe? Higher version if Bentham.
>>143670376
> avoiding my questions: the post
Ok I'm done arguing because you clearly wont change your mind and acting like what you think is already set in stone. So will you or will you not admit that you're autistic if you're proven wrong?
>>143671252
> if you're proven wrong?
I'm confused. Did the Strawhats get their cook back?
>>143671348
You're still avoiding the question. It's a simple yes or no
>>143671396
>Draws hard line between southwest coast and seducing forest
>Flails for any reason Pudding wouldn't mention the woods to the SHs
>Dismisses Pudding's absence and doppelgangers as 'could be something else'
>Dismisses the BM lackey in the forest trying to kill the SHs
and you accuse me of autism.
im not going to answer your baited question.
>>143671533
Don't argue with miss fatty. She is delusional.
She will get BTFO. Pudding definitely snitched. Ugly ass hoe
>>143671533
>you're accusing me of autism
>you must be baiting
Im not baiting. But you seem so sure that pudding is lying and lured them into a trap, then you shouldn't have a problem agreeing to it. if you're wrong and oda shows that pudding has been telling the truth and didn't set traps then you just have to post that you were autistic for even thinking she was a trader. Oh but that's right just like every other lyingfag you can't since you know there is still a chance that she really isn't s trader
>>143671590
It's not a argument I been ended that. I just want lyingfags to admit that they are autistic once they're proven wrong. Let me guess you're going to say the same thing "oh no I can't agree to something like that because i know I'm right"
I don't even know what is the point of discussing about Pudding so aggressively since it will take at least 3 weeks more for we to discover if she was planning to trap the SH or if she was legitemaly wanting to help them.
Chill out, guys.
>>143672207
>takes 3 weeks to find out
Who knows, oda showed her and the vinsmokes earlier then expected
>>143672273
I am just assuming that next chapter will be about them discovering that Sanji was an illusion and who is behind the clone Luffy and the one next would be showing what's up in the castle with Big Mom
>>143672207
Chinese comics are serious business, anon.
>>143672320
Yeah I can actually see that
>>143657045
A thing to remember is that kids read this series, and Oda's always known it. If a character's a bastard, he'll let you know.
