Now that the dust has settled can we all agree that Doflamingo was the best villain Luffy ever faced.
>>143463493
>Now that the dust has settled
Fuck off.
>>143463524
The amount of proof is almost suffocating.
Doflamingo is objectively speaking the most interesting villain so far in the story.
>>143463493
>implying Moriah is not better
>>143463675
His crew was lame, he was weak and only showed a glimpse of soul when he whined about getting his ass kicked in the new world for one single panel.
He was a mistake desu. Should have been used later in the story or actually showed in an unrelated chapter vs Kaido to hype the yonkou.
>>143463841
Moriah is great. Bitter and angry because his crew got wiped, and now exacts his revenge on passing pirates.
Storywise, Moriah is a neat and efficient way to set up the timeskip by showing how underpowered the Strawhats are before they get wiped at Sabaody.
>>143463623
It's too bad he went from interesting villain to generic cackling lunatic with a god complex while fighting Luffy.
>>143463841
>Implying his character arc is finished yet
>>143464031
this
>>143463983
>Moriah is a neat and efficient way to set up the timeskip
How so? He wasn't particularly strong and got dangerous only thanks to his complicated plan which involved stealing luffy's soul and digging out an old giant. And even there he almost lost against the strawhats without Luffy.
>>143463735
>>143463735
>>143463735
Spoiler discussion thread.
Sage this one. OP is a newfag
He made it before bump limit
>>143463623
>a special snowflake is put in a world where he is not special, then spends his entire life trying to create a situation where can be treated like a special snowflake again
>calls himself king and thinks he's above everyone despite taking orders from the WG and Kaido
>>143464137
>doesn't check the catalog before making a newfag thread
feel free to leave
Are Moriafags the new forced meme? They seem to be spreading their bullshit quite frequently now.
>>143464031
He suffered from the usual one piece flanderization long before that.
Oda spent Years playing him up to be so much more than he ultimately was. Not smart, not cautious or clever. Didn't have the completely loyalty of those around him as Bellamy suggested he did as even some of his family left him by the end. The only thing we had seen of him in the yers leading up to the arc featuring him is that his hairline was receding. I can't think of a bigger disappointment so far as villains go.
His actually family themselves were more forgettable than most of Oda's secondary antagonists. One of them even had a shitty-copy paste of previous DF powers, one opf them betrayed him and joined the resistance, This is to say nothing of the fact that Doflamingo had no qualms about using the birdcage when he didn't know where all of them were. The rest of them were borderline pants-shittingly stupid. Hey let's put Ace's fruit in the arena where anyone can rach it! Hey I can trust brook, he likes art! Ussopp didn't even beat sugar, she beat herself. It made them both look incompetent as fuck and was basically a shittier version of Perona VS Ussopp.
Such a fucking garbage arc that wasted one of the few villians Oda actuually tried to hype up. I can only hope he does better with Blackbeard, because if the best he could do with Doffy was throw out all previous ideas of his personality and slap on a Freudian excuse for his mustache twirling levels of evil then I do not have high hopes for the future.
>>143463493
Skypeia isn't filler because of the adventure and world building.
Thriller bark is filler because it brought nothing particularly interesting to the world and made the schichibukai look weak.
>>143464266
He's just been a topic discussed in the last few threads, so he's fresh on peoples minds
>>143463493
Nope no villain in One Piece beats Croc.
>Be Doflabitch
>use connections with World Assholes to screw over a country
>Be Croc
>Use your brains and planning to screw over a country.
>>143464118
He literally calls out Luffy and Co for being too weak to survive in NW. I don't know how much clearer we can get.
Aside from that, it takes entire crew co-operation (which fails anyway) leaving Luffy himself to finish the job.
If you're willing to include Oars in Moriah's powers (which I do, as it takes Moriah implanting Luffy's shadow to reanimate him in the first place) you get a monster so tough Luffy needs a powerup (nightmare luffy) to take him down.
All of this is clearly demonstrating that SH crew is out-power tiered by the NW.
>>143464304
> I can only hope he does better with Blackbeard, because if the best he could do with Doffy was throw out all previous ideas of his personality and slap on a Freudian excuse for his mustache twirling levels of evil then I do not have high hopes for the future.
Better give up on Blackbeard not having some Freudian excuse, remember what Oda drew for his childhood?
>>143464362
>takes 20 years to take control of a country
>fails miserably to a single rookie
>>143464467
Croc has such a rockin design and theme. Wasted by having him so early in the story just so he can job.
>people shit on moria for seeming "weak"
>will defend croc who lost to a far less experienced luffy who had no gears because they like his design
>>143464326
>made the warlords look weak
Crocodile already did that
>>143464467
Well that is the fate of all shonen first arc main villains.
Still though no villain beats Croc, I dont care about Crocs power im talking about him as a villain in general.
>>143464326
neither are filler
stop being a faggot
>>143464431
>He literally calls out Luffy and Co for being too weak to survive in NW. I don't know how much clearer we can get.
Only seemed like bitter tears at the time.
If Oda needed an entire arc to do just that we would still be in east blue.
>>143464326
Moria's rivalry with Kaido is something that was brought to the table.
I'm willing to bet Oars "the continent puller" has some part to play in the lore as well. Especially since his race of giants share the same type of horns as Kaido. What with Moria's petty reliance on the past, it wouldn't surprise me for him to seek out something similar to the man that ruined his life. Considering that Moria like Kaido is also concerned with building a super strong army (zombies), and the fact that he seeked out Luffy during Marineford for his shadow again. Moria is a spiteful man. I'm definitely betting there's a connection here.
>>143463493
how much would big mom piss off luffy in this arc?
>>143464639
more hints
>>143464606
Pre-haki Crocodile actually looked terrifying even after Luffy found his weakness by accident.
Moriah just looked like a fat ass who relied on the straw hats not taking him that seriously.
>>143464467
>the princess of the country he's trying to take over infiltrates his organization
>makes it to the top ranks before he even notices
>>143464671
>>143464710
>implying Croc didnt already know Wednesday was Vivi and wasnt pulling a Batman Gambit on her
>>143464671
Giants are fodder.
>>143464708
u wot m8? How were the Straw Hats not taking him seriously?
>>143464708
It's also that to a degree, TP was more light-hearted as a whole, which didn't really do wonders to Moria feeling like a threat
>>143464326
>Thriller Bark brought nothing
Even if you ignore Brook/Laboon, Moria and 'Absa',Perona spending the time-skip with Zoro, Lola and her Vivre card, Ryuma and his sword, Luffys new armlet, the introduction of Kuma's powers as well as Vegapunk building his body and the implication he knew Dragon well, Zoro almost dying and the strong Implications that the Strawhats were not strong enough for the New World, It just proves Luffy is as strong as a Sichibukai which we already knew since Alabasta
>>143464751
>>143464767
Tvtropes plz
Skypiea is the first sign of Haki how the hell is it filler?
>>143464435
This moon looks like it's drawn on a canvas rather than a night sky. Teach drew this moon, but nobody liked it, so he cried and became evil.
Teach is literally Hitler. Caesar will join him and gas the Tenryubitos.
>>143464828
>>143464783
there's a difference between Oars and other giants.
>>143464633
bitter about his crew getting murdered? yup
bitter about losing? nope
he genuinely compliments Luffy's crew during the speech, then tells them that death awaits them if they continue in their current condition.
Moriah hates Luffy for his naivety because he is like a younger Moriah. A younger Moriah who was so distraught a losing his crew that he wanted to create an army of immortal zombies who would never die and leave him alone.
>>143464671
Attack on Titan is One Piece post-giantification?
>>143464911
another interesting thing, Jack and Avalo wear fake horns in the style of these giants.
Could just be a coincidence, could tie into some bit of culture later down the line.
>>143463493
Dressrosa was so full of cheap chapter endings...
Who even thought for one second that Law was actually dead?
>>143464890
Oh shit, Level 9+ reader confirmed.
>>143464828
>>143464639
>>143464671
>>143464751
>>143464828
>>143464911
>>143465039
I'm willing to be Elbaf will tie into the Kaido arc in some way, especially since Usopp and Robin have history with giants. In addition to having Hajrudin's crew under their ranks now. ALSO in addition to the fact that Kaido was using the underground and now Buggy's the king of it- of which Hajrudin used to serve under.
It's all gonna come together.
>>143464657
Big Mom seems to value the freedoms of a pirate pretty highly, like Luffy
>Do whatever you want but accept the cost
>>143465009
*who even thought for one second Law was actually dead THREE FUCKING TIMES
Spoilers are out
>Coverpage is Browbeard in Impel Down
>Sanji's dad and mom come to Whole Cake Island and meet up with Reiju and Yonji. His dad has a long swirly mustache and a little clock on his chin, his mother is similar to Sanji with sunglasses.
>Chapter ends with old Jinbe rescued from his crewmembers, he lost 30 years of his lifetime to Big Mom and is now 76 years old, he has only 1 day left to live...!
>Break next week
>>143463493
What is wrong with that kid's mouth? Human bodies do not work like that. How can people still be reading a series with art this shitty when series like Bleach are going down the tube?
>>143464304
This.
>Doflamingo's executives had trash designs except sugar
>They put up terrible fights that all turned into complete jokes
>Doflamingo's fruit went from puppet master to brutish power waving
>His schemes only extended to one small arc
Biggest disappointment in this manga after Whitebeard
>>143465365
he's made of rubber
>>143465039
Is that a roman numeral for 3 there?
So was there another Oars between the original and Little Oars Jr.?
Maybe just Oars Jr.?
>>143465454
How did that happen?
>>143465463
Not this argument again
Oars
Little Oars
Little Oars JR
>>143464822
>It just proves Luffy is as strong as a Sichibukai
Warlords are not a power level. Moriah got rid of for failing hard at marineford.
>>143465474
he was stabbed by a god of rubber and became a god of rubber himself
>>143465341
nice memes
Who's waiting on the coast???
http://www.strawpoll.me/10621450
>>143463493
Doflaming was by far the most interesting and charismatic villain Luffy has faced so far.
Reading the fight was painful though, the amount of cooperation and plot armor needed for Luffy to win the fight was through the roof.
>Doflamingo holding the birdcage against 1 million people including really strong ones like Zoro and fucking admiral Fujitora.
>Law and Luffy two timing him.
>People distracting Doffy so Luffy could recover and Doflamingo falling for it like a moron.
Best and most fashionable villain though.
>>143465452
I agree his fruit should have been magic strings that allows him to control shit not LOL STRINGS INTO BUILDINGS HURR.
Sugar is also the most dangerous person in One Piece because his devil fruit ignores power levels.
>>143465586
Birdcage was Plot Induced Stupidity he could have slaughtered everyone in Dressrosa with his super speedy strings.
>>143465586
Why didn't Doflamingo use the birdcage on Luffy?
When will Sanji stop jobbing against every character he faces and return to the moster trio again?
>>143465474
yohoho he took a bite of gumgum
>>143465676
Does it still count as jobbing if you are actually weak, though?
>>143465604
What would have been fun is if his awakening involved buildings starting to move and fight for him.
But no IMMA TURN EVERYTHING INTO WHITE SHIT AND THROW IT AT YOU UNTIL MY HAKI DEFEATS YOURS
>>143465657
Same reason Mihawk only used a dagger to fight Zoro
>>143465736
Post-TS Haki was a mistake.
>>143465773
but mihawk actually won
>>143465736
Awakening makes me cringe, devil fruits are all about utility not unlocking powers its up to you to determine how good your fruit is not this awakening horseshit.
>>143465777
Speaking of Haki there are times in Dressrosa where Oda forgets that LUFFY has Color of Observation meaning he can predict your attacks before they happen yet somehow Luffy is getting wrecked by Doflamingo and Chinjao when really he should have been easily dodging their blows he knows when they happen.
>>143465736
>>143465777
>Hurr durr haki bad muh power levels
Did you skip the entire preceding fight that built up to this moment? Did you forget the Alabasta fight where the battle revolved solely around whether Zoro's blades were stronger than Mr. 1's steel?
>>143465878
Haki was a mistake
Even CoC haki. Giving it to non charismatic fodder like chinjao trivialized it.
>>143465878
That's the thing. The existence of Observation Haki means that either we're forced to assume that top class fighters like Doflamingo either have no skill in it, or are just mentally retarded, otherwise the plot makes no sense.
>luffy and friends watching DD in the throne room from like 20 feet away
>doesn't notice luffy's powerful aura at all
Same with shit like Luffy being surprised by fodder like Jean Ango grabbing his helmet.
>>143465878
Color of Observation is naturally built into fights. You can assume that any skilled Haki user is constantly using it. Luffy and Doffy were both fighting with Observation on, it's not that he wasn't predicting the attacks, it's that he simply didn't have the power to dodge them.
>>143465936
Did you?
Or did you just forget the part where Zoro vs Mr 1 was about technique, rather than raw power, with Zoro discovering what his master had been trying to teach him about the cutting of different substances?
>>143465937
CoC is just mindfucking people.
>>143465938
Sanji and Zoro also havd CoO yet cant predict attacks nor sense their enemies while they are out of sight even though the earlier usage of CoO Eneru's mantra had him sensing people out of sight.
>>143465992
Yes but anon you have impossible shit like Rayleigh actually reacting to Kizaru's lightspeed attacks via his CoO.
>>143465992
Luffy dodged Mihawk's attack thanks to COO so your argument is invalid.
>>143465993
Yeah and that technique translated into greater power. And this fight was Zoro mastering Mihawk's lesson of cutting things with Haki.
SEE YOU AT THE TEA PARTY MUGIWARA
>>143465579
he real question is why name isn't still wering rmor, such a scrub.
>>143466060
How so? That was an instance where Luffy could dodge and so he did, not one where he was so overwhelmed that he couldn't.
>>143466055
Mantra seems like a much more mastered level of CoO. Just because Sanji and Zoro have the capacity to do it, doesn't mean they're perfect yet.
Again, Rayleigh reacting to lightspeed is just because Rayleigh is strong enough to with the aid of prediction. Luffy getting his shit kicked in happens because he physically cannot dodge. It's like when he fights Eneru and we get the whole sequence of Eneru seeing the attack coming but being helpless anyway.
>>143466189
>That was an instance where Luffy could dodge and so he did
Plenty of instances where Luffy and Dofflamingo were taken by surprise by a new attack even tho CoO tells you about what your opponents intends to do and the likely result.
>>143466104
But that's not the way it was portrayed(at least to me), it felt more like some sort of DBZ style MY POWER LEVEL IS GREATER THAN YOURS, rather than "Now I know how to get past your defense" like the Mr 1 fight.
Since the goal of the Mihawk training was to make it so his swords wouldn't break again, I think it would have been more fitting if he had instead displayed his Haki in a different way.
>>143466189
But anon in Fishman Island Zoro and Sanji were sensing people.
>>143466055
Wasn't there some mention that Enel's prediction was better than a normal user's because he combined it with electromagnetic waves with his DF, or am I retarded?
CoC is supposed to be some metaphysical force that makes you drop unconsious yet the DBZ shit that happened between Luffy and Chinjao seemed retarded.
Haki isnt implied to be energy its even weirder than Nen in HxH yet somehow you have this bullshit.
>>143463493
I actually ended up liking the Moriah the most of all the villains Luffy fought against. I liked that he had been broken in the New World and was caught between wanting revenge for his friend's deaths and just not giving a shit about anything anymore.
While Moriah was not the strongest enemy Luffy faced, or necessarily the coolest, he was probably the most "human" of the villains that Luffy fought, not being driven by base greed or ideals, but instead seeking revenge while suffering from depression.
>>143465657
No need for that. If he wasn't mantaining the birdcage against so many strong characters he could have slaughtered Luffy. But Oda had to make Doffy stupid so Luffy could somehow win.
>>143464960
Avalo is a former Calamity and will betray Blackbeard.
>>143466435
There was no way Luffy could have won since Doffy could just Parasite him and make his head pop off since he has haki that negates Luffy condom powers.
>>143466419
nah the guy was a cunt
>>143466419
my nigga.
>>143466419
Moria becoming the Law of the Kaidou arc minus the obnoxious fangirl pandering when.
>>143466435
What funny is that Fujitora didnt just go LOL NO and instantly destroy the Birdcage instead its like Oda forgot there is a fucking Admiral in that birdcage.
>>143466354
Something like that, yes.
But it wasn't stated to be used for prediction. Combining it with his DF allowed him to hear conversations and such, thus allowing him to pass judgement on anyone that would defy the god.
>>143466419
That's exactly what I meant when I said the strawhats weren't taking him seriously.
He gave the impression of being weaker than Luffy without his Giant zombie.
Made schibukai lose reputation.
>>143466664
It took a Luffy more powerful than the current one to actually beat Moria when he stopped dicking around though.
>>143466666
>>143466699
because of his giant zombie.
He even got his ass kicked in Asgard mode, his ultimate attack.
>>143466699
It's hard to say for sure, but I think Nightmare Luffy was about equal in strength to Gear 4 Luffy. The big difference was, Luffy was able to stay in Nightmare mode for much longer than 10 minutes.
>>143466806
Nightmare Luffy's fucking punch can split an island.
>>143466806
>, Luffy was able to stay in Nightmare mode for much longer than 10 minutes.
it was exactly 10 minutes actually
>>143466842
Wasn't that Shadow Asgard Moira? That's 10x the shadows of Luffy.
>>143466806
>much longer than 10 minutes.
No, just like Gear 4, Nightmare mode only lasted for 10 minutes.
>>143464431
Naw actually him losing I feel push the straw hats even more of wanting to go to the NW. Here we have a warlord crying about how dangerous the NW is and he will defeat them and yet he loses to them just like every enemy before him. Showing that together they can over come any enemy. It Was really Saboady and MF that set up for the new world and really let the strawhats know they needed to train. Honestly outside brook being introduced and lola giving them BM vivre card, TB wasn't really needed
>>143466945
>10 minutes
Some basic math here guys
Enies Lobby G2 Luffy was Hypersonic meaning his speed was Mach 3 and higher
At Mach 3 you can move 995 meters in a second or 3250 feet per second.
A Mach 3 person can hit someone who is only 5 meters away from them 199 times in a second meaning even if Luffy hit Rob Lucci under a 100 times then it means a second hasnt even fucking passed yet thats how fucking fast they are moving.
Now post skip Luffy is high hypersonic so Mach 15 meaning he could hit you 1000s of times in under a second so this 10 minutes being an issue is Oda being a moron not realizing how fast his characters are.
It also means that G2 Luffy can hit someone with Jet Gatling a total of 497 times.
>>143466299
Not that guy but the problem in Arabasta was that Zoro couldn't cut Daz. His skin was basically steel. He was pretty much a Steel man. So by cutting him, Zoro is blatantly demonstrating that his sword and power is strong enough to cut Daz's skin.
Which is pretty much what happened against Pica. Take away the Haki and literally nothing changes. Pica's body simply couldn't withstand Zoro's swords or power.
>>143466104
The big difference between Zoro vs Pica and Zoro vs Mr. 1 was the amount of effort and tension in the battle.
In his fight against Mr. 1 Zoro was desperately searching for a way to cut steel, he was pretty close to death (to OP standards) .
Zoro vs Pica was more of a pointless drawn-out fight, the was no indication of one person struggling against another, i had the feeling it was just used to buy time/fill up pages up until the very last blow.
>>143467050
No writer with high speed characters actually makes them use it intelligently, or there would be no plot.
*insert le flash attosecond pic*
>>143467050
are you the krieg/jozu guy?
>>143466551
The whole fight was unfortunately retarded.
>>143467141
Hypersonic speed is fast enough to make you hydroplane meaning run on water, so the top tiers of OP should be running on top of the ocean and going lol fuck your pirate ships faggot. The Flash running on water isnt a meme it is actually possible with enough crazy speed.
Realistically speaking the entire fight between Luffy and Doffy would have lasted in reality 5 seconds because of how fucking fast they move. Oda also seems to forget it should be impossible for Dressrosa citizens to actually see Luffy and Doffy fighting in the first place.
>>143465579
>Miss fatty voted for pudding
Hahahaha
>>143467236
That's what I mean. The idea of a gun actually being a threat in a fight now is a joke, but you have DD and his pistol when he can shoot strings from his finger like a bullet at 10 times the speed but he uses both anyway.
People are terrified of the citizens being caught in the Birdcage when somebody like Zoro could literally pick them up one by one and dump them in the center of the city in a flash if they played speed straight.
>>143464304
Go back to narutoforums autist, this is not your place.
>>143467333
The fucking bird cage has gaps the size of buildings when it starts, also Zoro has enough brute strength to just tunnel under the fucking cage as well. They could have avoided all this nonsense if they just used their super strength to make a tunnel to the coastal area of the island.
Another thing about super speed Oda forgets is that the characters should be capable of jumping very fucking high in fractions of a second meaning Luffy could literally jump from one point of Dressrosa to the other in the blink of an eye.
>>143467465
>meaning Luffy could literally jump from one point of Dressrosa to the other in the blink of an eye.
>tfw kaku doing this is literally what inspired him to imitate soru in the first place
>>143467291
they weren't moving at supersonic speeds when fighting in view of the Dressrosa citizens tho. Just doing a lot of flying about and punching
>>143467465
>Oda forgets
Why do you phrase it that way when no shonen makes use of that insane speed? It seems more like something that is ignored rather than forgotten
>>143467315
what are you calling me anon?
>>143467535
HxH is the one of the few mangas that portrays super speed accurately like when Nefertipou literally lops off Kaito's head while being hundreds of kms away in the blink of an eye.
>>143467529
But how Doflamingo fly exactly? I know he uses his strings as some kind of tether to clouds but CLOUD ARE NOT FUCKING SOLID.
>>143465474
Yohoho he took a bite of gum gum
>>143467644
People can't turn in to rubber or produce copious amounts of strings from nowhere either.
In case you didn't know.
>>143467801
I accept some of the impossible shit as ITS DEVIL FRUIT I AINT GOTTA EXPLAIN SHIT but using strings to tether yourself to gas to fly is a what the fuck.
>>143467644
are you bringing real world logic into one piece?
are you going to start questioning how Zoro cuts multiton objects with air pressure?
Or how Nami and other female characters don't die from having their internal organs crushed by their three-inch thick waists?
Or where the mass for Choppers various transformations comes and goes?
Or how human beings can generate seemingly unlimited ice/fire/darkness/sand
Or how Franky managed to fix himself despite being near death in a junkyard filled with rusty metal and no life support systems?
Or how Sanji can walk on air by kicking hard enough?
Come on anon. Its a boys manga with its own in universe rules where anything is within the realm of possibility. Its literally a place where you can become as strong and as fast as your heart desires (so long as you train) despite your strength and speed not making any sense in the real world. it truly isA WONDERLAND
>think doflamingo is some deadly manipulator who will undermine the straw hats good nature and tear them apart
>he just fights them head on and lets his shit get fucked up
>>143464639
>Especially since his race of giants share the same type of horns as Kaido.
Oda said that horns are just things some people have. Humans too. It's like having buck teeth. Some people have them, some people don't. Same applies to giants.
Moria has horns and he's not a giant.
>>143464657
If she kills jinbe, very much will he be pissed off.
>>143466664
When Luffy was fighting him one on one, Moriah was kicking his ass tho.
>>143463493
Of course not.Buggy is.
>>143468218
So what's up with how his body is sewn together? Did he get almost cut in half by Kaido?
>>143468317
Probably. He clearly isn't as torn up when he was a wide-eyed youth fresh out of university.
But then again, it could just be anaesthetic choice by the artist
>>143463493
As a character, yes. He had a ton of build-up and an interesting character and backstory, but too much of his power was invisible, which made his fight with Luffy unsatisfying. Also, his crew turned out to be underwhelming except for Pica.
>>143467853
I was fine with that but clones are a mistake in everything they appear in.
>>143465579
>Not the obvious answer
>>143468751
That Luffy looks autistic as fuck.
Holy shit what a cancer picture of him.
Only faggots like that one
>>143468644
Are you kidding? Pica was the most underwhelming off all, he was a gigantic pussy who did nothing but play whack-a-mole iwth Zoro for 30 odd chapters before bitching out and attempting to kill some weaklings in his league. Then he got one-shotted by Zoro. Absolute garbage tier, Law cheated Zoro out of his first satisfying New World fight when he dismembered Vergo.
>>143467236
That is assuming you can travel at such speeds.
Combat speed =/= travel speed
>>143463493
Birdcage is the only major issue I had with Dessrossa. I mean it'd be okay if Doffy have to recover from its use, like it was a serious excretion but it just seemed to be.
I get the point it, to distract the other players and to add tension but it just made him broke.
I can't think of what they could have do instead. Maybe a Caesar weapon or something or have it .
Or completely change the Pica fight and use his power to be the death trap instead. Have Pica defeat happen shortly before Doffys.
Both Pica and Diamante felt underpowered. I can barely recall the Diamante encounter
>>143468839
Actually the most underwhelming goes to Diamante. He's built up as some strong coliseum hero. Just to go and get beat by a nigga with one leg
>>143469958
And his strongest move was fucking confetti.
>>143465777
It's not that bad. It has to be trained up, just like physical strength. It's no different to that.
>>143469958
The fact that he was beat by an even bigger legend of the coliseum is honestly the smallest problem with the fight
>>143468317
honestly that's like one of less strange things about his body
I wanna know what the fuck happened to his chin and legs
>>143468839
Are you daft? Zoro needed help to defeat Pica, he got completely outsmarted. If it wasn't for Orlumbus and Elizabello, Usopp, Kinemon and everyone else would be dead.
>>143467050
Yeah and Kizaru moves at light speed. It's a fucking comic!!!
>>143470649
Kaido whacked him on the head, which caused everything in his body to shift downward
His chin went down to his stomach, and his stomach is overlapping his legs, and so on
>>143468751
>>143471125
does that mean he would become normal looking again if he gets whacked in the ass?
>>143467140
I mean Pica was literally trying to buy time, so it fits his character/strategy, meaning you can't really be mad at Oda for dragging it out. It was also a creative fight nonetheless, involving the strategy of figuring out Pica's power, compared to how Mr. 1's fight was pure brute force.
That's essentially why I disagree with all anti-haki posters, because they cite Zoro vs. Pica as evidence that it's turned One Piece into a power level thing when really it hinged on all that previous strategy.
That being said, I can totally understand how Pica running away made the fight less tense for you. There never really was a question of whether Zoro would win or not. We haven't had a fight where Zoro was significantly challenged/outmatched since Enes Lobby, which is too bad, I really want to see him giving his all. We've seen Luffy full power now with Gear 4, I want to see top strength Zoro.
>>143470454
Well when the legend hasn't fought or trained in a human body for 10+ years and has lost a whole leg. Then it does become the biggest problem. He Could have at least jobbed to someone Cavendish. Something that actually ma he's sense. And I'm talking about Cavendish not hakuba
>>143465586
Law's angst was really bad on dressrosa, didn't feel like one piece.
>>143470842
Anon that's because he ran and chose to attack someone else. If they had a straight up fight he would have been one shotted
>>143467855
This is true but as you said there are some inherent rules to this universe. Luffy is a rubber man, thus he can't shoot lightning bolts. Doffy flying with cloud string is as nonsensical as Doffy being able to turn invisible or use Pica's powers.
>>143471251
I meant he could have lost to someone that actually make sense like Cavendish
>>143468218
Moriah's horns are totally different from Kaido/Oars/Oars III's though.
I'm not dismissing what you mean, Hannyabal's another example of what you mean. But I think the three I mentioned definitely have some sort of connection.
>>143463493
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>>143465452
>Doflamingo's executives had trash designs except sugar
Nigga Doffy's crew is easily one of my favorite enemy crew designs. Their powers and duels unfortunately were complete jokes however.
Another thing that bugged me was how Doflamingo required both Law and Luffy to be defeated and Luffy's supposed to gun for yonkous? He'll get trashed by their higher subordinates unless he gets like at least 2 arcs of more development. Though I'm getting a feeling from this arc that Big Mom is going nowhere, she's rather just going to make Strawhats her bitches or complicate things in some other way.
>>143471622
loli baby5 is cute
CUTE
>>143471360
hush my child...only adventure now
>>143471401
sure.
>Cavendish didn't join the fight against Doflamingo because of dumb reasons, since Law didn't need protection with Doffy being so busy (and he left anyway).
>Sabo took an hour to get there even though the Island isn't that big and the guy is a very mobile powerhouse with the ability to fly thanks to his fruit.
>Zoro didn't even attempt to intervene.
That whole fight was bullshit. You knew Doflamingo had lost ever since his executive jobbed so hard and it was him against a whole bunch of very good fighters.
Oda just doesn't like tag fights. And he wrote himself in a corner this time so he had to use a cheap device like birdcage to keep everyone ''busy''.
>>143471131
>>143471680
Pedo
>>143471360
And actually, Luffy did generate lightning a while back with Thor in the Collosium. He can also generate fire when he punches and runs. Again, see "anything is possible"
>>143471622
>using the picture from 20 years ago
They all became like trailer park trash
>>143471622
>luffy should have beat doffy by his self
No oda did it right. Doffy was suppose to be strong to where it took two supernova to beat. Oda will find a way to defeat the yonko right hand me. And even if luffy did win by his self, him and law still shouldn't be a match for even jack
>>143471622
Jora was hot af
and loli5 a cute indeed
>>143471793
Yeah. Law even commented on that during their journey from PH to Dressrosa, that Doffy's crew won't be their problem. Let decadence and lack of action set in for too long, which is a shame since all 3 card executives could've had great fights for their powers but jobbed like bitches.
I didn't mind the birdcage. Good oh shit moment and set a timer on the clock creating a feel of urgency and real danger. Defeating Doffy however felt too easy and quick - on contrast, it took 3 tries for Luffy to trash Crocodile.
>>143471922
Jack would probably take Zoro, Sanji and Luffy to beat
>>143471622
What about their powers displeased you? Bomb guy had a great, high tension fight, baby guy's fight with Frankie was one of the highlights of the New World thus far, and Pica's was a little drawn out but still made for the most adequate battle Zoro's had yet in the New World.
Flag guy was disappointing I give you that.
>>143471622
Luffy's gonna get curbstomped by Big Mom and it'll be up to his crew to just barely rescue him and get away with Sanji. He'll definitely lose the initial encounter.
>>143472240
Meant to say that their fights were disappointing. Most of the powers were really nice. I especially liked Pica's power since he used it fairly creatively for a paramecia.
Only powers I didn't like were Jora, Machvise and Dellinger's powers.
>>143472102
>felt too easy and quick
>two supernovas
>one of them a shichibukai
>Gamma Knife
>Gearth 4th (twice)
yeah, really easy and quick
>>143472427
>Dellinger power
?
agreed
both in terms of character depth and world importance it's a league above any other
the fight is decent but not top tier, but i don't read One Piece for fights anyway
Dressrosa as a whole is exceptional
the flashbacks were top notch, so was (partly) his crew, his ability, the setting and the supporting cast (Barto a best)
only flaws were Rebecca (obnoxious as fuck), the dwarves (i didn't dislike the idea but they were developed poorly) and the coliuseum part (introduced nice and important characters but was boring as shit)
>>143472916
don't forget pacing - easily dressrosa's biggest weakness
>>143472240
Ussop sniping Sugar was the high point of the entire arc.
Quick reminder he will join along with jinbei.
>>143472991
yeah too much running around
also the corrida part lasted forever
100 chapters are a fucking lot, but all the content that was packed in it deserved at least 70 chapts
still, a great arc, rereading it at your own pace makes it 1000 times better
>>143473040
Croc is cool, his power is way too inconsistent though. Like, he lost to pre-Gear Luffy. Doffy, meanwhile, was strong enough that post-timeskip Sanji, who I'm assuming is stronger than pre-Gear Luffy, was in danger of losing his life within three seconds of fighting him. Objectively, Croc has been sitting on his ass in a cell not training, so really he should've been fodder in Marineford.
All of you fags trying to piss on sir croc can seroiusly suck my dick. My main man btfo'd luffy twice and only lost to plot.
You tier wankers thought he was fodder until be swagged into marineford like a boss and shat on all of your faves >took jozus pussy sneak attack, got mildly annoyed >Speed blitzed sengoku on the stand with the executioners, no sweat >Stalemated Doffy while barely giving a fuck >Stalemated Mihawk after all this, worlds strongest hooksman>>>>wss >Cut a fucking admiral, possibly the final villain, in half. If Croc even bothered learning haki that would be it. Yet people still don't give the man his props, well fuck yall.
>mfw patiently waiting for Bonney to join
>>143473090
What's up, Ceasarbro, where have you been?
>>143471728BITE ZA DUSTO
>>143464783
Only to Admiral-tier guys like Luffy
>>143472240
It's kind of a shame how many of them just had Baroque works powers, except better, honestly.
>>143473186
>Doffy was in danger of losing his life within three seconds of fighting him
>>143473238
You do make some points worth considering.
>>143473238
How many of these were anime only?
Legitimately curious.
>>143473238
What did Croc even want?
Why did he want to take over a fucking desert country? They don't even have oil there
>>143473473
sanji, not doffy
>>143473570
Toei pushes this ship and also SanjixNami.
Why is that?
>>143473570
Wasn't it because of the poneglyph? He basically believed the country was the key to an ancient weapon.
>>143473631
Because they don't realize that Robin x Franky works better as a comedic goofy dad + sensible mom combo.
>>143473514
Mihawk one is anime only I think.
Rest was in the manga
>>143473570
Ancient weapon (Pluton?) to challenge WG
>>143473683
He was right on that too.
Robin just lied about the Poneglyph not revealing where Pluton is at.
After Rayleight, who is going to appear on tomorrow's cover?
>>143473872
It would be the biggest fuck up if Robin never told Dragon where Pluton is
>>143471251
Robin should have been the one to take him down instead of hanging back to defend Rebecca.
>>143473570
>Why did he want to take over a fucking desert country?
Nigga, have you never watched yugioh?
He has field advantage
>>143473581
Those commas confused me, anon. Forgive me.
>>143474046
I agree on this one too. She couldn't just instantly beat him since he can turn his self into a flag thus she would have to actually fight. And I think it would be cool if she pulled some hashirama/netero type shit. But of course it would be a giant her and not a religious figure statue.
>>143468218
>that pic
W-Why would anybody draw that.....?
>>143474046
>hanging back
>>143474319
rule 34 quota I think.
I think there's unwritten code for artists that demand that they scour the internet and when a new character is introduced, they instantly start drawing lewds.
>>143472696
Don't forget the red hawk, the injection shot and the counter shock that was also delivered
>>143472110
Yeah I won't be surprise if zoro, sanji and Jimbe have to take him on to win.
>>143474287
The problem is that Robin's power is usually either 1-hit kill or completely ineffective. Oda never bothers to give her duels.
>>143473744
I wasn't sure either but i just checked and it looks like croc vs. mihawk was manga. Looking back its crazy how much croc did at marinedord, even right after getting tortured for months at impel down, but oda did say he regrets using him so early, so maybe he was trying to hype him back.
>>143474393
Did they ever get around to drawing any r34 of Praline?
>>143472102
>. Defeating Doffy however felt too easy and quick
It's problem with One Piece fights in general now.
Characters have become too fast now and there's a lot of beat panels missing to show how fights work.
Zoro's the most noticeable since you can't even follow his sword play anymore. Luffy's just too fast without windup in gear 2nd.
>>143474569
I've seen a few
>>143471727
Well of course a lot of things was BS. Like you said Sabo or fuji should have been able to take him out but was fucking around. I mean the amount of time fuji used to try and push birdcage back he could have defeated doffy and ended it all much quicker. But in terms of taking out the executives, Diamante could have at least fought Cavendish and put up a decent fight. Instead he just job to a one legged man
>>143474492
Yeah that's why Diamante would have been a good person to try that attack on (your pic related). She could have tried her instant kill move on him and once she seen it wouldn't effect him she pull that move out. But no, I'm 70% sure that of a doesn't plan to give her a legit fight even at the end
>>143474611
I wish Oda started drawing these kind of panels more.
Fights made a lot of sense before
>>143474528
Here, you can't even tell what happened to Bones
>>143473238
>only lost to plot.
A lot of guys lost to plot, Oda makes his villains too arrogant
>took jozus pussy sneak attack
He was bleeding hard and said Jozu was too fast and too strong
>Speed blitzed sengoku on the stand with the executioners
He didn't do shit to Sengoku, just took out some fodder who get knocked out by Luffy's haki. Sengoku was happy to sit still on the platform for the most part, even when Marco was flying to the platform it was Garp who took him out. Luffy was able to reach Ace and set up Gear 3, so maybe Sengoku's speed is Blackbeard-tier and blitzing a megaton Golden Buddha means shit.
>Stalemated Doffy while barely giving a fuck
If anything was Doflamingo playing around, Crocodile attacked him with the hook pissed off after he easily lost his head while Doflamigo casually stopped him using one foot with both hands inside of his pockets. Now that we know what Doflamingo is truly capable of, he was definitely not even trying at Marineford and left the war without a scratch.
>Stalemated Mihawk
Crocodile attacked Mihawk (the speedlines in the manga are on Crocodile's hook, Mihawk stood still defending) while he was chasing Luffy, Mihawk simply parried his hook. All this says is that "pussy sneak attacks" don't work on Mihawk.
>Cut a fucking admiral, possibly the final villain, in half
Robin broke Aokiji's back and split him into two. Logia users let their bodies get divided in pieces for no reason all the time, means nothing, Akainu was not hurt in any way.
>>143474528
Oda also said that the torture didn't faze Crocodile, Jinbe and Ace at all, iirc. Level 6 Prisoners seems to have it easy compared to everyone else.
>>143467236
>so the top tiers of OP should be running on top of the ocean
Brook confirmed Yonko
>>143474801
Oda is not the one drawing/writing the story anon.
It's sad but true
So I've got a question about the "awakened" devil fruits...
Does every awakened devil fruit only turn things into the property of the base devil fruit? Like how Doflamingo's awakening was turning other things into string???
Or was that just Doflamingo's OWN personal awakening ability? Because it seems like this whole awakening thing is One Piece's own version of Bankai/Super Saiyan/Muso Tensei.
>>143474741
She would have destroyed Diamante.
>>143475129
>this guy again
>>143475169
Crocodiles awakening dehydrated things.
first spoiler pic is out
>>143475837
wait, is Hirano doing anything recently?
>>143475242
I'ts not awakening. It's just one of the sand logias properties.
>>143475911
He made Detective Conan doujin sometime ago.
>>143465512
so his child will be Little Oars Jr. II?
I hope Franky builds him a cyborg leg after he becomes Luffy's bro.
>>143476182
he was killed mate
>>143473445
>Admiral-tier
>needing Law's Gamma Knife to weaken Doffy enough just to BARELY beat him
Pick one.
Was Magellan awakened? That venom demon could poison ANYTHING. I bet Aokiji would lose to him.
>>143463493
bellamy's a big guy
>>143476303
>Implying Luffy can't use localized gear 4th attacks.
Boundman was used to try and quickly piut an end to things due to the birdcage.
had there been no time constraints, we would see Luffy use kong gun in his normal body.
>>143474801
The problem is that these panels are a luxury Oda doesn't get these days. He has so much action he needs to communicate in so little time (particularly during the war sequence) that everything has to be a lot more condensed.
>>143476483
>Boundman
Kill yourself faggot. That is literally like calling Luffy "Rufi"
>>143475169
Kinda makes me worried if all Awakenings do is turn everything into your element. That would mean every Awakened user would fight the way Doffy did, throwing the environment at you, which make every Awakened fight literally the same.
Also, can you imagine Luffy's? Everything just turns to rubber?
Based on these problems, I imagine each character's Awakening will be slightly different, although Doffy did recognize that Luffy's hadn't awakened yet, despite the Gear 4 shit, so maybe yeah they do have distinctive properties.
>>143476303
Gamma Knife negates regeneration its one of the most broken moves in the manga when you realize how it can easily fuck over any logia.
>>143476575
more like calling zoro "zolo"
the original is boundman, faggot.
>>143476497
>The problem is that these panels are a luxury Oda doesn't get these days.
Why doesn't he though?
It's not like Oda is super old and it's not like SJ wants to end their cash cow in a hurry. He doesn't even do straight up 1v1 fights anymore for each crew.
Yes, the war sequence I agree, but Dressrosa really should not have had better set up for fights.
Considering the number and magnitude of countries saved by strawhats none have managed to pull off the feel of Alabasta or Skypia.
>>143476447
He has the bane bane no mi with a reason
>>143476605
Does it though? It targets and tears apart the vitals, but a Logia user can transform their vitals into their respective element and regenerate that way. Although if it's got Haki in it maybe it prevents this.
If that's the case, it sure was convenient Doffy happened to be the only character in all of One Piece who could tie his organs back together as they're being relentlessly ripped apart.
>>143476713
It also means Law is the most OP character since he can now screw over regeneration which was the only thing that made logias broken in the first place, if you cant outspeed Law you are fucked in a fight against him since he controls space.
>>143463493
>He's in for a rude awakening when he see's your lifeless corpse.
Law isn't lifeless.
>Bellamy!! If you don't stop, you'll die!!
Doesn't stop. Doesn't die.
>Gamma Knife!! This eats you from the inside out. There's a 100% chance you'll die.
Doffy lives.
No wonder Dressrosa sucks.
>>143474810
Nigga, Crocodile is at least admiral tier. Hell, he was probably as strong as a Yonko at one point since he fought Whitebeard.
>>143476575
boundman is the original idiot
>>143476683
In Dressrosa he crammed a bunch of final fights into one chapter each, so he could showcase all the new fighters, so yeah, he was pretty pressed on time. That being said, I thought that the Doffy/Luffy fight had panels like that, showing wind-up action, although I could be wrong, Oda has generally gotten more efficient with his art since Water-7 in that he draws the attacks and their aftermath as they happen and rarely the build-up.
I think Alabasta had such a monumental feeling because a.) it felt big and the Straw Hat characters experienced so much of it, and b.) Vivi was a strong character.
Skypia had an entire separate arc (Jaya) just to build up the thematic significance of it. Really I think it's just that he got to develop more time into each of these arcs, Dressrosa's hype only came from teasing us with Doffy the whole series.
Sure Oda isn't old, but at the rate the series is going, even with this fast pacing it's going to be decades before it's over.
Why did Doffy use bird cage again? What was the point in genociding his own country?
