Will we get another masterpiece like pic related from this decade or has the well of talent run dry?
>>143434442
>yuri+yaoi
>masterpiece
>>143434566
>Being too insecure in your sexuality to enjoy one of the best anime of the 2010s
Shinsekai Yori was a 9/10, far from a masterpiece. Rather mediocre actually.
>>143434566
Name one anime masterpiece that didn't have any.
>>143434738
>9/10
>mediocre
bretty gud bait desu
>>143434738
>Shinsekai Yori was a 9/10
>Rather mediocre actually
Wanna know how I know you go to /v/
>>143434771
>>143434783
Opinions. I liked it but wouldn't call it a masterpiece. I thought Gankutsuo counted as a masterpiece but I know someone will disagree with me.
>>143434442
Reminder that, in the manga, Sami is a pedophile rapist that will fuck anything with a vagina.
>>143434753
Akira.
Lurk for two years before posting again.
>>143434442
Best girl is maria
>>143434840
Gankutsuou has a lot of good things going for it, but it's held back by all the typical Gonzo problems.
>>143434840
I'm pretty sure the point was that your scale is pretty fucked up if 9/10 is 'mediocre'.
>>143434753
Madoka.
All claims of yuri are projections by desperate /u/fags.the movies gave in to them and pandered, but the original show has nothing to to do with sexual/romantic love
>>143435198
You don't make over a hundred attempts at resetting time to save a friend without falling obsessively in love with them
>>143435474
Why not? You wouldn't say that if they were sistersprobably, so why must it be so for friends?
>>143434979
Reminder that the last few months of her life were most likely spent drugged out of her mind with her teeth pulled out and her limbs amputated in an underground eat hole.
>>143435566
Because there's no mental barrier akin to incest being immoral to roadblock my feelings from intensifying with each re-do?
>>143434442
I found a lot of it kind of stupid. This show made me come to hate bonobos, actually.
>>143434753
You already got destroyed by >>143434893, but off the top of my head...
Mononoke
Cowboy Bebop
Paranoia Agent
Planetes
Mushishi
Princess Tutu
Haibane Renmei
Kaiba
Serial Experiments Lain
Jin-Roh
Angel's Egg (ehhhh...)
Pretty much everything by Ghibli (I don't think this really counts though; it's kind of a low blow)
Which isn't to say there aren't plenty of other typically cited "anime masterpieces" that don't contain implications of it at some point or another. Utena is the obvious go-to, although Juri is the only lesbian main character in the original anime. Texhnolyze has a prominent gay character, though there's only really two scenes where his sexuality is even touched upon. Samurai Champloo has an episode dedicated to a gay character although, once again, it's a WHAT A TWEEST moment. TTGL is more notable for its animation and direction than plot, but it does have Leeron. Gankutsuou has homoerotic implications at quite a few points. Sword of the Stranger has that cute bishounen Shouan crushing on Luo-Lang. Ah, and then Boku no Pico is really super gay.
Actually, I expected this to be a lot harder than it was, and a lot of the anime I discounted only bring it up once or twice and do not have it as a hugely prominent aspect of the work. So there you have it.
>>143436024
>Serial Experiments Lain
Debatable af
It was pretentious and I only liked the NTR and romance elements
Holy fuck this was 3 years ago this aired, we are all dying.
>>143435198
You must have missed all of the references to popular yuri shows and pairings.
>>143436347
I don't get how anyone could unironically enjoy NTR
>>143436309
I knew somebody was going to contend that, but I didn't bother saying anything preemptive because I also knew whoever that somebody was would be wrong.
>>143436485
Kemono, pregnant women, or lolis only only though. I have standards.
>>143436501
Honestly I don't care, thanks for saving both our time from arguing over something stupid
p.s. I'm right
>>143436582
You're welcome.
p.s. nah it's me I am the correct person
Why do people bash Shinsekai Yori so much and constantly use it for obvious bait threads like this?
We get it, you're so insecure about your sexuality that when you see any gay action on screen you immediately have to scream how much it sucks lest someone think you're gay for some reason.
>>143436024
>Cowboy Bebop
had a transgender guy with tits who was in love with Viscous
>>143437163
>baiting with the same bait used in the bait thread you hate
>>143437299
Not even bait, I'm legitimately upset that so many people bash SSY because"UAH THERE WAS A GAY SCENE IN EPISODE 8"and so many i've seen this fucking bait thread posted at least 5 times with SSY in the OP
>>143434566
The yaoi and yuri isn't even what made the show bad.
Its time to come out of the closet.
People are STILL obsessing over 1 minute tops of gay kissing and non-explicit sex?
Are you really that edgy and insecure with your sexual orientation, /a/?
>>143437163
What
What the hell are you talking about I absolutely love this show
And desu, I used to be very neutral about yuri but seeing how much Saki and Maria loved each other made me a fan.
>>143438479
Why do you think this board is so aggressively anti yuri
>>143438479
You're approaching this from the wrong angle, I think. I'm a bisexual and I still found the way sexuality was utilized in the Kamisu to be creepy and the fact that it was basically used as fanservice at parts in the anime to be somewhat gross. I think that people have such a visceral reaction to it and spit on the show when they're fine with stuff like Utena to be very understandable in that regard.
Humanity should just go extinct in this setting. All strains of it have degenerated into something without worth.
people need to adapt better source material like they did for Shinsekai Yori. The novel itself was amazing as I read it last summer after I watched the anime.
>>143436024
0/10
for leaving out not some but all of Satoshi Kon's work, oh and also GitS.
>>143441717
I unfortunately haven't watched Satoshi Kon's full body of work, so I couldn't put "everything by Satoshi Kon" in good conscience, but I thought just listing shit of his one after another would be redundant.
Also, in some GitS continuities, the Major has lesbian relationships.
Really, I just could not be assed. I got my point across, right?
>see people on /a/ constantly shitpost about ssy
>give it a try
It hooked me in. It's so anti-comfy but keeps you watching. One of my favorites. Honestly, I don't know of anything else that left me feeling so unpleasant at the end, even though the bad guy got what he deserved.
Overrated as hell. 5/10 at most.
Best part of the show was the first ed.
>>143434566
>calling it yaoi because of one short scene with two guys kissing
>posting a pic of Sir Ian McKellen, who is gay
next he will probably call him a bad actor, because he's gay. also why is something called yuri/yaoi just because homos exist in it. the show is about something else
>>143434893
Just because Akira was incredibly influential doesn't mean it's a masterpiece.
One of the worst anime adaptions to date.
>>143434783
Because you go there as well, or else you wouldn't know.
>>143442460
>even though the bad guy got what he deserved
And by that do you mean the sweet release of death after years of crippling pain delivered to his body, which happens to have devolved into a giant nerve to amplify said pain?
>>143434442
Dropped it when I saw the two guys with eachother
>>143442460
>anti-comfy
thanks for the cancer
>>143437163
I'm still fucking mad this guy had the audacity to call my genuine appreciation for this show bait
>>143443021
as a summation of that huge fucking body of work, it was very well handled and took towards the stylized sci-fi aspects of the manga rather than sociopolitical. Your opinionis shit.
>>143434566
>Hates on Yuri and Yaoi, posts a picture of a gay man.
Sexual orientation shouldn't really matter if it is a master piece or not.
>>143435738
Pretty Hot desu.
>>143434979
Was she in a state of perpetual naked mole rat dicking?
>>143446066
THEY'RE HUMAN
Poorly produced. Boring/tryhard plot. Doesn't even make you think. Kept thinking it would get better but dropped after the 6th ep.
>>143446352
>but dropped after the 6th ep.
Then your opinion on the whole series is irrelevant
It's okay if you don't like it enough to finish but don't expect others to listen to you about the subject
>>143439140
Because they can't deal with knowing that some anime girls will never desire their 3 inch dick.
>>143446222
KISAMA
>>143440954
It was supposed to demonstrate the level of control and brainwashing.
I'd argue against it being fanservice since the novel had explicit straight sex in it, too.
>>143442690
Because Western anime fans are ignorant when it comes to most anime demographics and genres.
It's not BL in any sense because the show wasn't aimed at a female demographic, and that's kind of a requirement for something to actually be classifiable as BL or yaoi.
>>143446741
ARE YOU A CANTUS USER OR A QUEERAT
>>143435127
This show was total shit.
8.9/10
>>143436309
Not debatable at all.
>>143436501
Fucking right. What kind of faggot questions SEL?
>>143436582
I'm genuinely curious what you didn't like about SEL, since I've only ever seen praise for it. It's routinely on "best of" lists.
Why don't you think it deserves the praise?
>>143446491
I've seen over 150 anime m8.
>>143447124
I was disagreeing with the lack of girl on girl sexuality, I loved the show.
>>143437387
Eh, don't be mad. The world is changing but some people are still immature about homosexuality. No reason to be angry about it, it's clear that such attitudes are dying off.
>>143434442
>Erin
>Moribito
>SSY
>LoGH
When the industry stop shilling shitty LN and start adapting Novel instead.
>>143447167
Ah, my mistake. Looks like it's suicide again for me.
>>143447141
that's all good and well
still doesn't give you the qualifications to talk any kind of shit about this anime when you stopped at ep. 6
>>143447172
The attitudes are pretty prevalent on this board.
>>143434442
THis show was gay, dropped.
>>143447743
Your mom was gay
>>143434566
But SSY says homosexuality is for children.
>>143443112
Yes. He got off easy. Saki showed him mercy, even knowing shit like this >>143435738 probably happened to maria and then he had her child brainwashed.
>>143442543
This
It's not worth watching more than one cour of pure shit just to watch a few good episodes.
>>143437387
The completely out of place disgustingly graphic depiction of a gay kiss in episode 8 is a completely legitimate complaint about the show though. Not one that makes it a significantly worse show, but a legitimate complaint nonetheless.
Hell, it's not even about it being gay at all, it's about it being some gross hentai-tier tongue-twirling shit.
The novel is filled with sexuality that the anime chose to either cut or depict lightly. That one scene is the only time it decides to go to such a length. I have no idea what they were thinking. It's a complete lack of consistency and very unfitting for the anime.
I hate that they did it because so many people stupidly drop the show after it when nothing like that happens after and it just gets better and better from there on.
Just finished marathoning it, I liked it. Kinda regret not watching it while it was airing, I remember all the threads when the last episode aired.
>>143450533
Squealer's goal was totally justified. He went to extreme lengths but I'm not sure how else he could have gone about it that wouldn't have gotten his entire crew instantly erased.
I fucking hate the fact that SSY never gets good threads. Every other masterpiece gets great threads from time to time (even Eva with all of the waifufaggotry that it provokes). It's not fair.
>>143452032
What do you wanna discuss then anon
>>143434442
>>>143437387
>
>I hate that they did it because so many people stupidly drop the show after it when nothing like that happens after and it just gets better and better from there on.
That's the point. Let stupid people drop an anime 'cause of one scene, which isn't even half a minute long. Going for sales makes anime bad *stupidity intensifies*
>>143452139
It sucks that people are still willing to shit on the show though even after not giving it a chance
>>143442460
what does ssy stand for
>>143453176
Uhm... Shin Sekai Yori. From the new world.
>>143434442
I feel like I've been seeing this thread every day for the past week or so.
>>143453294
Do you know any Haruhis?
>>143434442
>shitsekai yaoi
>masterpiece
Found the hipster
>>143453373
>hipster
“Hipster” is a term co-opted for use as a meaningless pejorative in order to vaguely call someone else’s authenticity into question and, by extension, claim authenticity for yourself.
It serves no conversational function and imparts no information, save for indicating the opinions and preferences of the speaker.
Meanwhile, a market myth has sprung up around the term, as well as a cultural bogeyman consisting of elusive white 20-somethings who wear certain clothes (but no one will agree on what), listen to certain music (no one can agree on this either), and act a certain way (you’ve probably sensed the pattern on your own).
You can’t define what “that kind of behavior or fashion or lifestyle” actually is, nor will you ever be able to. That’s because you don’t use “hipster” to describe an actual group of people, but to describe a fictional stereotype that is an outlet for literally anything that annoys you.
The twist, of course, is that if it weren’t for your own insecurities, nothing that a “hipster” could do or wear would ever affect you emotionally. But you are insecure about your own authenticity - “Do I wear what I wear because I want to? Do I listen to my music because I truly like it? I’m certainly not like those filthy hipsters!” - so you project those feelings.
Suffice it to say, no one self-identifies as a hipster; the term is always applied to an Other, to separate the authentic Us from the inauthentic, “ironic” Them.
>>143434566
You forgot
>Senseless promiscuity
>NTR
Thank heavens I kept as far from it as possible.
Also >>143434707
>Browses /a/
>Acting as some straight alpha womanizer to hide the fact that he's a virgin lardass.
What with these sudden surge of SSY threads?
>>143444876
listen
is that picture real?
>>143453842
>>Senseless promiscuity
They literally spell out the reasoning for you in great detail in one of the early episodes.
>>Acting as some straight alpha womanizer to hide the fact that he's a virgin lardass.
I wish I could gain weight as easily as your image of the /a/ stereotype desu. Sorry that I struck a nerve.
>>143452032
this is the age of post-ironic shitposting anything that is good and has a sizeable number of followers will be almost void of deep discussion on the surface.
>>143454071
You expected anons to pay attention to that explanation? Most anime fans these days watch anime for waifus, teenagers with super powers, pairings, and stuff blowing up. They can't be bothered to sit through a scene of expository dialogue describing the history of the world the characters live in. They're too busy fapping for that.
Heavily flawed, but one of my all time personal favorites.
It's so unique in plot, atmosphere, etc. and while some shows or movies have similar aspects, like for example telekinesis, there is just nothing like SSY. Might start my 4th rewatch soon.
>>143434442
We already had Rakugo.
>>143457081
While I liked Rakugo a lot and it is my AOTYSF, I'm not sure if it would quite qualify as a masterpiece. It was very good, but I don't think it was a 9 or 10.
>>143434442
The second season of Monogatari was aired the same year that this finished and also last year we got Shigatsu Wa Kimi No Uso, but yeah lately the number of good show has dropped desu
>>143443929
Wait a sec.
You're telling me you thought this thread could actually produce anything else than whining aboutthe gay scene in ep8, baiting and flaming?
You're telling me you actually thought that?
You should know better than to post SSY with this context. People bash it for the same stupid shit whenever its name pops up somewhere.
>>143442460
>bad guyhumans are the real monster
>>143437163
>you're so insecure about your sexuality that when you see any gay action on screen you immediately have to scream how much it sucks lest someone think you're gay for some reason
Ok so if I don't like yuri or yaoi I'm an insecure faggot? I think you are retarded or baiting
>>143434566
It portrays them in strictly negative light.
>>143458836
>shigatsu
The problem here is your shit taste.
>>143434442
>exposition the show
>masterpiece
might as well just read the book anon
>>143458997
how so? that show was really great, artistically speaking was the best
>>143459377
More like the only good thing about that show were the production values.
>>143458921
i don't like yaoi either, but a single 30 second scene(i doubt it was even that long) in a single episode, does not automatically constitute the whole show as trash and fujoshit as people often call it.
I kinda liked the original Shinsekai Yori novel but couldn't get through the anime at all. Animation was just bad and it felt like the characters just had shitloads of anime stereotypes laid on top of them.
Wareta Ringo is probably the best ending song ever, though.
shinsekai yori sucked dick because it was slow as HELL
>>143458969
No, not really. Same sex attraction / relationship was basically just a tool, a programmed phase that allows teenage cantus users to relieve stress without making every single female in the whole school pregnant. Once they mature some more they turn back to 'normal'.
>>143463397
>a tool of control that involved no real feelings and basically devolved them to a level of animals
>not negative light
What NTR happened in SSY?
>>143434893
>TETSUOOOOOO
>KANEDAAAAAA
>>143463617
>that involved no real feelings
[citation needed]
Just because they flipped the sex preference switch for a few years with brainwashing doesn't mean the relationships during that time were fake or programmed in too.
>basically devolved them to a level of animals
Did you see how they live and how the 'manage' their offspring so they won't wipe themselves out?
Don't try to apply same human morals, they won't fit. Not in a world where single individual wields the power that rivals that of an atomic bomb.
If you only complain about 'gay phase' when their whole life from birth to adulthood (and even farther) is full of conditioning, brainwashing and 'culling the herd for greater good' moments you can't see the wood for the trees.
>>143463397
It's not really that same sex stuff was "programmed", it's that man/woman relationships between teens were taboo, and they were brought up in this free sex community modeled on bonobos or whatever. So teen hormones + that kind of society leads into same sex sex.
>>143463617
The novel's tone was never negative about that stuff though. That's kind of the point, their values are really different from ours and the story is told from the character's point of view. All that negative light is in your mind.
>>143434442
>SSY
>talent
>>143434566https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MmYx1ayYTM
>>143434566
10/10 bait.
>>143454294
That's some deep shit senpai
>>143434566
in real life, as human beings mature they are naturally attracted to members of their own gender during phases but they eventually grow out of it
there were no adults shown in homosexual relationships in the show, and the main characters all ended up in heterosexual relationships pretty fast
the manga is a different story...
>>143466264
>in real life, as human beings mature they are naturally attracted to members of their own gender during phases
This is what faggots tell themselves.
>>143463617
>>a tool of control that involved no real feelings
Negro what
How can you look at Saki and Maria and say there were no real feelings between the two
>>143466642
By the fact Saki abandoned Maria to go with Sotaru who was in no danger. How whenever Saki and Maria were together Saki was thinking about Shun. How Saki at the very end blamed Maria for the tragedy the happened to the village. By how Maria knew that Squealer tortured Maria and she still forgave him. By how Maria sucked Sotaru's shota dick then kissed Maria with that same mouth.
Fucking Saki. She was the worst character in the series.
>>143453176
Please leave
@143466764
Apply yourself
>>143466910
Kill yourself. No really, do it.
If you can't think any smart to say, just stop talking. Everything listed in that post is totally valid and happened in the series. And SSY is shit because of it. Maria deserved better.
@14366764
>Saki abandoned Maria
Blatantly false, literally two episodes devoted to them seeking her out
>Saki was thinking of Shun
Not only is this an exaggeration, this doesn't invalidate their feelings for each other and I'm not sure why you think it would. The entire group was polygamous as fuck.
>Saki blamed Maria for the tragedy
This was a cliffhanger at the end of one of the earlier episodes, not the end, and she was right. She didn't say it in a way that implies Maria is a bad person or that she didn't care about her.
>Squealer tortured Maria and still for gave him
Squealer was literally a writhing mess of nerv tissue, him suffering anymore wasn't going to bring Maria back and Saki was emotionally mature enough to know it. Not to mention she had just found out how fucked the history of the queerats was.
>Maria sucked Sotaru's shota dick then kissed Maria
When did this happen? Either way, again I don't see how that would invalidate their feelings.
>>143434442
don't mind me anons, just posting best boy
>>143467608
>@14366764
stop posting please
>>143467698
He's not handing out any (You), and rightly so.
>>143467608
You really, really need to kill yourself.
-Saki going to find Maria and and the other guy does not change the fact she left Maria alone after they found her while she was in danger and Sotaru was not.
-Not an exaggeration in the slightest. Saki saw Sotaru sucking Shun's dick (make out scene in the anime) and she then directly ran to Maria for "comfort sex" because she was upset about what she saw, not because she had deep feelings for Maria.
-No, it was not in one of the earlier episodes. It was straight from the last book. And yes, it actually does mean she doesn't care about Maria because otherwise she wouldn't have blamed her.
-It's not about bringing Maria back, it's about letting Squealer off for what he did.
-When Saki and Sotaru were captured by rat people in book one.
>>143467804
>he
You. You're not fooling anyone. And you're new shit cancer for unironically thinking "(You)s" are actually a thinking. Fuck off back to redit.
>143468067
>what multiple people think I'm baiting? No way must be a samefag!
But now I see I'm talking about the anime and you're talking about the books so that explains the disconnect. Do you think they're still worth a read after watching?
>>143467608
>@14366764
get out
>>143468155
You're not smart enough to understand anything either way. It doesn't matter if you read them.
And again, fuck off redditor. Also, ever using "durr bait" as a reply instant'y means you are cancer.
Not anymore cancerous than screaming reddit at everything you come across that displeases you
Back to >>>/v/
>>143468339
God, you're stupid. It's not because it "displeases me", it's because you're trying to treat "(You)s" like upvotes. Which is what Reddit is based around. And the irony is that you are doing exactly what you accuse other people of, accept with /v/.
Hey that's cool man
>>143467659
Honestly one of the best villains of of our time.
>>143469131
this, I also liked that dude from Psycho Pass but it was a bit pretentious.
Now that I think of it is Squealer the best villain of the last years? Counting as original source I mean
"THAT DUDE" why villian? He's more of s antihero. Humanity is bad not squealer.
>>143468067
It's Satoru, not Sotaru.
Sex is a coping mechanism in their society. The implications are not the same as they are in ours.
I don't remember Saki blaming Maria for anything. Could I have a quote? Wonder if it's the fan-translation messing up, I read the original. At the beginning of the first book she did mention that if Maria hadn't been born those many lives wouldn't have been lost. That's just logical thinking, a hook and not really blaming anyone.
Her releasing Squeler from his never-ending pain marks her growth as a character. She's starting to see the rat people as the humans they are, enslaved by her people. The revenge they are bestowing upon Squeler is inhuman, pointless and childish. Having a part in her former lover's death is far from the worst thing he's done, but no one deserves endless torture.
It's ironic how Squeler's failed rebellion actually lead into her finally considering their slaves as closer to equals. Maybe their society will slowly change from there.
>>143469500
Same difference.
-I never said sex wasn't that. But the point is that there's nothing that shows Saki and Maria had deep romantic feelings for Maria, which is what the other person was trying to imply.
-Saying if Maria would have never been born is the first time she said it, and the second time was in the third book when fighting her daughter. That is also the very furthest thing away from logical thinking. Why Maria specifically not being born? Why not her parents? Why not the whole village? Why not the village elders who caused everything? She specifically singles out Maria for no reason.
-Squeler's behavior itself was inhuman. And it's not like he just killed Maria, he forced her to breed so he could make human weapons, tortured her, and then killed her.
>>143469877
The first mention of Maria not being born is very logical. She's talking of them being born just two weeks apart and in the same troubled way, the experience from Saki's birth helping with saving Maria. So if she hadn't herself been born neither would have Maria, and lots of people would still have their lives.
The second mention I don't think exists, I just checked every mention of Maria in the third book. She does mention the daughter being Maria's child many times. That's not blaming Maria for it, that's Saki wanting to give her old lover's and best friend's daughter a chance to live.
There's nothing said about forcing her to breed, torturing her and killing her. Nothing is written at all about what resulted in their child, though Squeler doesn't deny killing Maria and Mamoru when Saki blames him for it.
Even if his behavior was inhuman there's no reason to answer it with your own inhumanity. Saki is adult enough in the end to realize that.
>>143470924
-You didn't answer what I said. Any single one of the people, and more, who I listed not being born would have effectively resulted in the same conclusion that Saki was reaching about Maria. It's actually not even Maria's fault all those people died. It's the people who enslaved Squeler's people. Yet again, Saki singles out Maria.
-The second mention, while irrelevant to the point because even the first one proves it, is when Saki is fighting Maria's daughter, she didn't even remember this at first and never mentioned Maria many times. She was under brain washing effects still at this time, and once she got her memories back is when she started to fault Maria (and get wet for Shun again).
-Squeler did that to the queen of his own people, do you think he hesitated for a second to do it to Maria, someone who was from a group of people he hated.
-There's nothing inhuman about giving people what they deserve.
>>143471228
I mean the book starts by her telling of her being born, and then her best friend being born 2 weeks later. What the fuck kinda storytelling would jump to blaming doctors and parents for future tragedies. She isn't even blaming Maria anyway, it's not like Maria had a choice in being born.
Give me quotes. I don't think anything like that was written.
And I sure hope you grow up someday too, like Saki did. An eye for an eye will leave everyone blind.
>>143471646
-Be honest, how many stories have you read in your whole life? Leaving aside how this story itself makes it clear she's blaming Maria, faulting people for the events after their birth by just citing their birth is a very common thing is story telling. I don't know how to make it more clear to you, it's like explain 2+2. You can only do so much.
-You don't even seem to remember that Saki was brain washed for most of the third book, because what you said directly contradicts that. You claimed to have read it, but it's clear you didn't.
-No, it actually just leaves two people without one eye each. That saying is a stupid false dichotomy. Do you think murders deserve life in prison for killing in cold blood? No difference here. Squeler deserved what was happening to him.
