Why is Cyberpunk such an untapped genre?
It's not?
Unless you only started watching anime in 2000
Or don't read manga
>>143290799
I mean comparatively to everything else in animango
You know what I mean
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>>143290752
It's not really, at least when talking about Japanese LNs, manga and anime.
I would like to see more western cyberpunk books or films being made that aren't taking cues from GITS.
I hope that after Cyberpunk 2077 premiere it will influence the market to give it another try.
>tfw you will never live in a cyberpunk technologic dystopian future
>>143291879
I know that feel senpai ;_;
>>143291852
> implying japs care about some slav game
>>143291879
Anon, I just spent half an hour in VR with my bulky and wired first gen headset, practising with firearms after loading up the simulation on a PC with a CRT hooked up to it. Speak for yourself.
>>143291934
>implying slav games aren't the best games
Come on, even nips have to notice at this point.
>>143291879
>>143291919
Faggots like you piss me off, cyberpunk world is the last place you want to live in.
>>143291957
Until I watch into a dilapidated downtown of a metropolitan and get accosted by a group of thugs and most of them have robotic arms, legs, or eyes. We will never live in a true cyberpunk future
>>143291897
Frogshit.
>>143290752
It's not, it's fairly common in fact.
>>143290752
There's a lot of cyberpunk and neo-noir stuff in 80s stuff.
>>143290821
That's a bit hard since other than Blade Runner, GitS did a lot to define how people perceive cyberpunk. Anything past that will require you to dive into the sci-fi literature of the 80s, which is too much effort for a lot of people.
>>143291879
We already do, we just don't have all the cool shit that comes with it.
>>143291879
You already do.
I'd rather the nips just put more effort into developing an interesting setting in general. Cyberpunk could be just as engaging as medieval fantasy if both are done by talented people. I wish studios prioritized this more. Adds a lot of immersion imo
>>143292029
>memes aren't allowed on 4chan
no one wants grimdark anymore
>>143290752
how many usb ports in your skull do you need numbnuts?
it's a fucking shoddy noir with futurology kool aid poured all over it, it's only alive because the hipsters are
>>143292088
Lurk more.
>>143290752
This would make a fantastic OVA, too bad Japan would never allow some half-black mongrel as a Protagonist, even if he is fond of carrying a Daisho around with him
>>143292088
Oh damn, it's been a long time since I've done this, hope I don't fuck up.
>>>/global/rules/6
>>>/rules/a/1
>>143292140
Don't use emoticons on /a/.
>>143292012
Well it's a start, alright?
>>143292149
>>>>/rules/a/1
You mean >>>/a/rules/1, but that's not what frogshit gets deleted for. It's considered shitposting, not offtopic.
You can post Constanza without a problem. Pepe wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the new memes attached to it.
>>143292077
The problem is that you're expecting most anime to not be an ad for merchandise or source materiel. Manga masterrace isn't a joke, it's just most of that will never get scans.
>>143292195
There is a difference between /a/ and whatever board you are used to lurking.
>>143292262
If you don't care about the reasoning behind /a/'s moderation, don't bring it up.
But if you post like a faggot, you can expect others to bring it up anyway.
>>143292322
I know that you have a point, but let's not derail a thread just because one guy is acting childish.
Report and ignore.
>>143292091
I want to hack Dorothy
>>143291934
They loved witcher 3 if i remember correctly. Ciri best girl (especialy voiced by miyuki sawashiro)
>>143293082
They liked the first two as well. They even made fan translations for them.
because you'd have to put the challenging problems today and put them at the forefront of the setting
and that triggers certain people
CAN I POST YET FUCK
>>143293082
>playing a polish game in japanese
Now that is next level weeb
Witcher anime when? I would watch the absolute fuck out of that
>>143293306
Stop, the child isnt in the mood clearly
Back to cyberpunk discussion
>>143293179
I dont follow you senpai
I thought Cyberpunk is always about the problems of tomorrow?
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>>143290752
Cyberpunk got a pretty damn good run out of anime. And most people don't really get what cyberpunk is and just throw the label on anything set in the future with a grain of grit to it.
To be really punk you have to go against the grain in every way possible and preferably even find new ways to fuck with what's expected that people didn't even think was possible. For some reason punk culture seemed to really resonate with Japan and I think that most great punk movies came out of there, especially cyberpunk.
Mamoru Oshii and Koichi Ohata are in my opinion two of the greatest cyberpunk filmmakers to ever work in the genre. Their works deal with dehumanisation, globalisation and industry which are all important thematically, but more important is the way that they tell their stories.
They don't just break the rules or push the limits with content, even the way that their stories are delivered is completely off the wall. A good punk piece of art should feel like a giant middle finger to everything that is conventional, and I think that Genocyber and Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence are two of the genre's greatest successes in this. GitS2 gives no fucks and moves at Oshii's pace, it goes where he wants when he wants it to and fuck what a proper movie is supposed to do. Genocyber on the other hand is Ohata taking convention and narrative tropes and stomping them into the concrete over and over again. Part 3 of Genocyber is particularly interesting and satisfying if, like me, you found Fritz Lang's Metropolis to be visually interesting but ultimately sentimental and kind of stupid.
>>143293617
Cant agree with GITS 2
I absolutely adored GITS 1995, its probably my favourite movie. But GITS 2 just seemed like a mess. Also I really detested the aesthetic change.
>>143293670
>GITS 2 just seemed like a mess
If you aren't offending your audience on some level you aren't really making punk are you?
>>143293703
well said.
>>143293703
Since when was Cyberpunk meant to be offensive? You're missing the point entirely
Its supposed to make dystopia appealing to the audience. It shows the broken side of humanity but turns what would usually be perceived as depressing into something beautiful and inviting.
Blade Runner is the pioneer of the genre, some could argue the father of the genre, and its not "offensive".
GITS 2 is just a badly made film in my opinion. There is more to a good film than just being controversial.
Kikokugai anime when
>>143293703
I think you're taking the term punk in cyberpunk a little bit too literally
>>143293848
It's probably taking the punk ideology of being abrasive and in your face. It can work in cyberpunk, but it doesn't have to be synonymous with it.
>>143292117
I'd rather picrelated
>Molecular nanotechnology
>Diamond-based structures everywhere
>Vacuum dirigibles
>Neo-victorians with a Queen and aristocracy
>VR book that has a whole country with Castle Turing inside of it
>A noble engineer protagonist character
>>143291879
You already live here. Also you don't yet understand that true dystopias are miserable to live in but fun to read about.
I'd rather live in Utopia.
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>>143293848
Only stupid burgerbrains consider Blade Runner cyberpunk. It's a noir story with a science-fiction setting. If I had to name one movie that started the genre it'd probably be Burst City. That movie had actual punk music as its central theme and was a completely anarchic mess of rebellious glory. I like Blade Runner but it's not cyberpunk, it's The Long Goodbye with a shitload of neon and cars that fly.
And Ghost in the Shell might be Oshii's best animated movie. He peaked with his kerberos trilogy but Innocence really feels like another attempt at using his visual finesse to get more that just slick action. The first Ghost in the Shell is an objectively better action/sci-fi/thriller movie but Innocence wins overall. By breaking the rules it surpasses genre and becomes what I would have called kino before /tv/ destroyed my favourite meme forever. Instead I'll call it a very bold and unique experiment in prioritizing the audio-visual and thematic experience above narrative and convention which I think is very good and gives the movie much greater depth, making it more rewatchable and in my opinion more enjoyable if you can be fucked with it.
>>143293896
If we use it loosely it might as well not exist since in its common usage it pretty much means sci-fi/action.
>>143293923
>it doesn't have to be synonymous with it
It doesn't have to be but what's the point if it isn't?
>>143294146
>Only stupid burgerbrains consider Blade Runner cyberpunk.
Stopped reading there
>>143292003
Why? Do you happen to live in a cyberpunk world?
>>143294178
>FREEDOM AIN'T FREE. THE TREE OF LIBERTY'S GOTTA BE WATERED WITH THE BLOOD OF PATRIOTS...
>>143290752
What the fuck are you talking about. There was plenty of cyber punk Anime in the 80s and 90s.
>>143294146
>Only stupid burgerbrains consider Blade Runner cyberpunk.
>>143294018
The only parts of a cyberpunk setting I would take, other than the technology, would be the arcologies and it raining almost 24/7. And 80s synth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8Ne9sRcSrM
>>143294146
The punk is supposed to denote that while technology is high, society and people are low. Come to think of it, if a lot of cyberpunk is supposed to evoke the feeling of "society has collapsed, or is on the verge of it" was that a reflection of societal attitudes during the 80s? Between the Cold War, consumerist materialism culture as a way of ignoring societal ills like poverty and rising crime, or possible nuclear war?
>>143294273
>The punk is supposed to denote that while technology is high, society and people are low.
This.
>>143294273
What better way to show that the world as we know it is ending by not only showing decay through your plot, but through the very medium of storytelling. A proper punk story should be falling apart at the seams.
>>143294551
Damnit kohai, just ignore them. Just stick to the cyberpunk.Listen to retrowave synth to relax https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6jjoE5Qt_s
>>143290752
>why is one of the most heavily used genres of the last 30 years an untapped genre
Are you fucking retarded?
>>143290752
I really, really like this image.
>>143294620
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASEL-TwukKg
>tfw no Neo-Victorian future
cyberpunk is so 20th century, plebe taste...
>>143294911
>victorian-era politics and societal norms
>modern/future tech
fuck no, that'd be miserable
>>143294956
Kind of a running theme in that book, actually.
>>143294956
Neo-victorians from the diamond age developed their norms as a reaction to wasteful anarchy of snow-crash age.
Social norms are not such a bad thing if they are sane.
>>143295027
The book has a lot of deep ideas about humanity, society and technology hidden inside. Also it describes plausible technology and even acknowledges Feynman, Drexler and Merkle, nanotechnology pioneers.
>>143292545
Get in line.
>>143295054
>Victorian social norms
>sane
>>143295161
These norms were rooted in the desire to see humans as something qualitatively different from animals. This idealism produced harsh restrictions on revealing bodily functions and other potentially indecent behavior. If you respect these norms you see yourself and others as civilized human beings. (Of course all of this is mostly about aristocracy, plebes don't have the time and energy to live a decent life).
They were harsh but there was a system behind these norms.
>>143293506
No.
Part of cyberpunk is taking current social problems and recontextualizing them.
>>143294146
>It's a noir story with a science-fiction setting
You do know that this is literally the definition of cyberpunk, right?
>>143294146
>movie
fuck off, what do you know?
Ever read Neuromancer?
Of course you haven't.
>Internally, the New Atlantis phyle is a corporate oligarchy whose "equity lords" rule the organization and its bylaws under allegiance to the vestigial British monarchy.
sexy
We still have cyberpunk, but moe has overtaken it and now it lives on as robutt waifus.
>>143291879
>>>/l******/
>>143293848
Your a fucking retard. Blade Runner is and will always be cyberpunk
>>143293952
Let's not forget
>forehead mounted concealed carry implants
I just think Snow Crash fits the anime paradigm better
>MC is half Japanese and chuuni as fuck
>Sword fighting
>YT fanservice
>Giant Siberian/Inuit badass villain who carries a nuke around on his motorcycle
>Semi-mmo setting
>Cyborg rat-dogs
>Character who is basically a brain in a jar
>>143295741
Replied to wrong person?
>>143290752
Cyberpunk's been done to death. New cyberpunk shows are just too similar to the old ones. They just mix and match the same elements of the dystopian setting, mind-controlling computer chips, A.I. robots, huge buildings with blinding neon lights, etc.
It's not a problem unique to cyberpunk. Isekai fantasy harems suffer the same problem. Instead of wanting more of the same genre fiction, it'd be nice if we got something new and different.
cyberpunk is shit, you have a bad taste
>>143293179
>Ilya and Kuro
Nice desu
>>143290752
It had it'set moment in the sun in the 80'same to 90's. Then the trend changed to other forms of sci-fi. Altered reality is now what we'realike stuck in. I do miss cyberpunk though because even the bad shows were enjoyable.
>>143295304
more like society has gone so full retard that you can more easily draw parallels.
Remember when transracial was a joke?
>>143290752
It's too old
>>143294800
John Carpenter's Lost Themes is also really good cyberpunk music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=392by2UoOX4
We just had ninja slayer
>>143290752
more like over saturated with shitty producers that don't understand the genre
this doubles for video games and movies
>>143303741
What's the genre supposed to be about then
>>143303765
Define Ghost in the shell and blade runner.
that's the epitome of cyberpunk. everything involves tech. we can have this debate a billion more fucking times a year and we still won't get what we are asking for.
but shitty cyberpunk is syndicate(video game) GitS: Arise (although was a prequel to the series meaning they weren't in a dystopia)
also are you asking for a plot? because cyberpunk was supposed to be synonymous with cyber noir. dark alleys, class wealth disparity, pre-robotic singularity.
>>143303965
Essentially it's noir in a vaguely futuristic setting.
That's all it is.
>>143303765
I remember I saw plastic memories defined as cyberpunk which is ridiculous. it's just sci fi.
it's mostly mislabelling that bothers me personally.
>>143304047
yes, that's exactly it.
but it has to contain thriller and mystery.
like, hackers with detectives and cyborgs.
I really enjoyed E.Y.E Divine cybermancy, and Lain because they were shrouded in the enigma of technology.
It's not, just learn to use to internet you lazy shit.
>>143293082
>>143291852
>>143293465
Thanks for reminding me I still haven't finished Blood and Wine.
>>143304167
Lain is not cyberpunk.
Lain is in no way a classic "Dick".
>>143304167
E.Y.E. is magical. At first I hated it, then I loved it.
finally someone patrician enough to recognise Innocence's artistic merits
what I love the most about that picture is how literary it is, characters juggle with quotations that would be out of place in any realistic conversation
it's beautiful how self-aware Oshii is and on how many levels he understands filmmaking
>>143304225
you're a faggot and a moron if you not consider lain cyberpnk but also not consider it a classic.
you literally have no argument against it being cyberpunk.
>>143304389
>>143304389
I think you are having trouble understanding the English language, please practice more!
I explained why Lain is not cyberpunk.
It's sort of an outdated concept.
We already live in the so called "Cyberpunk future" it's just that instead of advancements in bionic technology we went with advancements in wireless technology.
>>143304389
cyberpunk is all about radical (anarchist even) self-expression in a depressingly opressive dystopia where lives *don't* matter and you just have to deal with it, or go insane
technofetishism is just a form of aesthetic self-expression, not the topic of cyberpunk stories
>>143290752
Because if I wanted a story about corrupt governments being twisted by shady megacorps while technological advances upend society, I'd watch the news.
How silly is it for me to consider Cowboy Bebop a "cyberpunk" series?
It does high-tech low-life pretty well, and while I'm sure it's not technically cyberpunk, I've always felt that it fits nicely.
>>143304747
it's more of a noir type of story mixed with the Frontier type of world structure
if anything, Bebop's a champuru
>>143304781
Hey, I never said it was a bad thing. The megacorps will come up with our sweet robot limbs and bionic eyes sooner or later, and it'll sell. I just gotta last that long and learn how to disable the DRM when the time comes.
>>143304747
While it's mostly noir, it has none of that focus on technology cyberpunk has.
Basically the reason why it's not cyberpunk is the exact opposite of why Lain is not cyberpunk.
>>143304326
this thread has convinced me to rewatch GitS tonight.
>>143305134
it's definitely worth it
do yourself a favour and do some research on what is being discussed in the film
not only does it deepen one's experience, it's just more fun to watch stuff consciously
C..can robot girls get married?
>>143305872
No.
However,they canaccept eachother's terms of use policies
>>143295280
Victorian social norms on differentiating people from animals are basically stereotypical and wasn't even intended for plebs to follow it in the first place to even consider they didn't have the time or possibility for so. For each stuck up english emergent or upper class showing off some "high and strict Victorian values", you had lots of piss poor peasants working to death in factories as a rule and major cities becoming large spots of criminality, diseases and other things. Diamond Age still tends to embellish the Victorian times as any other common fiction about it.
>>143297701
The solution to innovating cyberpunk I think is to explore the future frontier of bio-tech. Less robotic limbs more cloned limbs. Less cyborgs more self modified humans with like 6 arms and abominations that are just a bunch of tentacles. Guns that are organic and shoot teeth etc etc
>>143307151
>more cloned limbs
>organic guns
Wait what? This is Cyberpunk?
>>143307151
You mean biopunk, it already exists.
>>143304812
>>143304882
Bebop doesn't have that marooned-in-dystopia aspect, either. Seems like most of the Solar System is colonized in one form or another in its universe, so if wherever you're living is too oppressive or whatever just move to a colony on a different planet, start your own colony somewhere, or hell just follow the lead of Spike and co. and live in a spaceship roaming around selling services of some sort.
>>143304747
Bebop is literally a space western.
>>143307404
Is biopunk considered a subgenre of cyberpunk? I think it should.
And monsters are boring and unrealistic. How about instead having people being socially forced to get their children genetically engineered, but it would run on a subscribtion model, so the children would be forced to pay fees to the companies behind their genetic modifications all their lives or go to jail, in the end basically turning them into slaves for the massive corporations?
This actually sounds realistic, something you could see being lobbied for and happening pretty fast after human genetic engineering is allowed
>>143307151
>muh aesthetics
>muh technofetishism
This is the reason you can't talk about cyberpunk.
>>143307595
Thats not even close to my point. My point is, I think there is too few story's exploring the implications and effects of far future bio-tech.
>>143307237
You would be surprised how much bio-tech firms collaborate with the cybernetic and computer based firms. Its because of this very collaboration that we now poses nano-submarines which if we can find a way to mass produce them for people, may be the solution to cancer.
>>143290752
>untapped
Dude the 80s was almost nothing but cyberpunk.
>>143293703
Intentionally being shit doesn't make something good.
>>143303965
>that's the epitome of cyberpunk
Neuromancer is the epitome of cyberpunk. You can pretty much define cyberpunk as "similar to neuromancer".
>>143291879
We already live in a cyberpunk dystopia. Everything is online, privacy and personal information is sold to the highest bidder, the government is fine with tracking everything you do and keeping a log of it, etc.
>>143291879
We can't live in the future because we live in the present.
Can anyone effectively argue the difference between cyberpunk and science fiction?
>>143309415
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXVO1HCNQ8M
>>143309030
Only things missing:
• Mutli-story megacities with poor/normal people living in the grungy crime-ridden bottom levels where sunlight rarely reaches
• Predominantly CRT/neon electronics
• Computers with pointlessly obtuse, primarily textual UIs
Given that just a year or two ago the US crossed the threshold of 50% of its population living in cities I'd guess that the first point is an inevitability, but I have doubts that the other two will ever come to pass.
>>143293952
Nips would never go for it. It's got a female lead who self-actualizes and isn't a slave to a male main character.
Also, them Drummer orgies.
Fuck the haters. I loved Parasite Dolls
>>143291852
Cyberpunk 2077 is going to make cyberpunk like steampunk: full of normalfags who slap gears on everything only replace gears with cheap neon.
>>143307558
>Monster
Uh excuse me, the proper term is synthetic organism.
Just because I'm not human doesn't mean that I don't have a frontal cortex, your words hurt human.
A problem with cyberpunk, at least bubblegum crisis, one of very few I've seen, is that it cheers for the terrorists. But terrorism will be impossible in real life. Cyberpunk doesn't account for total serveillance, which makes almost everything impossible in real life. You won't have underground terrorist groups fighting against the mega corporations, because they realistically can't hide, they'd be stopped before they could accomplish anything.
This is a problem, cyberpunk can't have stories in a sorta realistic future scenario anymore. If you go for anything resembling realism, the story falls apart.
>>143293876
>Kikokugai anime when
I think we already passed Peak Urobuchi.
>>143294018
>I'd rather live in Utopia.
Meh. There's a reason humanity isn't actually attracted to utopias. You can tell because most works don't depict them.
>>143294383
>the story itself falling apart at the seams
No thanks.
>>143310668
I think the issue is that utopias are so infeasible in our minds that they're not even considered fiction, but total impossibilities. They're so far beyond our reality that we can't even wrap our minds around them, likely because we've never lived in such a state.
And if you or I were dropped straight into a utopia there's a fair chance we might not be able to deal with it well. It's just too large of a change too quickly. If humanity ever achieves a utopic state, it will be over the course of several generations.
>>143310668
>most works don't depict them.
because that wouldnt be interesting or make a good story, there wouldnt be any conflict
>cyberpunk
>2016
>not solarpunk
Solarpunk >>> cyberpunk. It has some positive attitude to it, at least. Utopias >>> dystopias.
>>143311328
>that pic
10/10 fictional future would live in
>>143310668
Prevalence of dystopias is a relatively recent phenomenon, it's hard to pin the exact reason of dystopias being popular, but maybe westerners are too safe and bored in their comfy civilization.
It is ridiculous that civilization that has all the technology to make a real Utopia shuns such thoughts and prefers to generate hundreds of miserable dystopian fiction worlds.
>>143309642
Japan has a lot of female characters, and then the story has two equal protagonists: engineer Hackworth and plebe Nell.
Hackworth is cool IMHO.
>>143311126
Yup. In that sense utopian literature is 100% counter-culture that goes against the norm.
See https://newrepublic.com/article/123217/new-utopians
The cultural critic Fredric Jameson summed up the dilemma of our epoch when he quipped that someone once said, “It is easier to imagine the end of the world than to imagine the end of capitalism.”
>>143311328
anything other then LunarCore is a decrepid view of the future, this is a fact.
>>143290815
It's genuinely not, half the popular sci-fi shows from the 80s and 90s were were cyberpunk-esque.
>>143311328
>you will never sail the Great Ocean in a hydropunk future
>>143311597
>Prevalence of dystopias is a relatively recent phenomenon, it's hard to pin the exact reason of dystopias being popular, but maybe westerners are too safe and bored in their comfy civilization.
I think it's a direct reflection of the mass mental state and where it thinks things are headed. If you look at the past several decades, people started getting notably more pessimistic about the future in the 80s, right around when cyberpunk exploded. That pessimism has increased and survived up to the current day and has been influencing popular scifi the entire way. If it weren't for Gene Roddenberry the past four decades would've been entirely devoid of forward-looking, optimistic scifi.
Now that solar technology has begun improving at a dramatically increased pace and spaceflight is beginning to move again, the public mindset is finally starting to improve but it'll probably be a few years before that's readily reflected in the stories we write.
>>143311597
Even for today's standards, the technology is still far from making an Utopia, not even considering how human mind do not think exactly equal to do such. While it's partially true that westerners are too comfortable to think about utopia stories over dystopia, the thing is that there's few that humans can develop on an utopia as a genre alone on a story, there wouldn't be conflict to deal with or a plot device to move on, unless said utopia feeds off an decadent world that's soon to make contact with them (there are some stories on this) or maybe some comfy story about utopian humans retelling the past events where the world was on verge of collapse or at least unstable on their opinion.
>>143309303
Dude.
>>143312213
Perhaps another way to write a story centered around uptopia could simply be about maintaining said utopia, e.g. Group A has successfully achieved it without caveats but Group B won't have any of it for social/religious/political reasons, putting a fly in Group A's ointment and producing conflict to write about.
>GitS
>Psycho Pass
>Akira
>that one seasonal cyberpunk anime every season
Anon...
>>143307548
This. Bebop is at its heart a western set in space.
>>143304047
Lain is not a film noir, nor is it a cyberpunk. I'd class it as a technology themed psychological drama.
If we think about it, while cyberpunk is a product of nuclear fallout fear, all the ideological fight between capitalism and socialism/communism over the materialistic way of life and rise of technology which authors on that time might have been too conservative to think negatively, cyberpunk isn't a genre that preaches impending doom of society, since there's always a good guy or group of good guys that ends up fighting the system to end up the abuse of mega-corporations-run government (in a way a shot on libertarianism). They aren't the pure and honest heroes of a standard story seeking too much of a common goal, but they are nonetheless the guys fighting against the system, some odd glimmer of hope in a seemingly gone society.
>>143309415
Not all science fiction is cyberpunk, but all cyberpunk is science fiction.
>Even for today's standards, the technology is still far from making an Utopia, not even considering how human mind do not think exactly equal to do such.
We have good enough robotics and AI, and good enough genetic engineering. If there were political will 95% of labor could be automated even with 2000s technology.
>>143309501
>• Predominantly CRT/neon electronics
>• Computers with pointlessly obtuse, primarily textual UIs
Those two wont happen because we have moved beyond them, making everything more user friendly and efficient, while those are characteristics of old cyberpunk they will not reflect the future anymore because they are obsolete, as for the first point that will take some time since we still have a whole lot of space for our cities to grow, the first place you might see this happen are China, South Korea and Japan
So yeah, we already live in the cuberpunk dystopia most authors of the past were afraid
>>143290752
Not enough waifus for the average anime fan.
>>143313146
Loli cyberpunk needs to be made. Maybe a deconstruction of the genre like madoka did for magical girl
>>143313146
Now that you mention it there aren't really any cyberpunk harems or cyberpunk CDDCT, are there?
I think we may have found a genre remix that Japan hasn't touched yet.
>>143313329
>CDDCT
*CGDCT
>>143313284
This post triggered me.
>>143312652
I think you are a little off the mark, but not entirely. Cyberpunk is more along the lines of a pessimistic view of how little humanity changes as technology advances.
Cyberpunk grapples with a lot of old issues such as: classism, racism, and thecnophobia; but presents them with a veneer of futurism. Things like cyborgs, androids, and other future tech are just allegory for the problems we have now, and have had in the past.
>>143313329
>cyberpunk harem
It's called cheating.
![[D-A]Bubblegum Crisis 2040 - 15 (XviD).ogm_snapshot_18.40_[2012.03.10_05.30.59].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/7mTbvpw.jpg "[D-A]Bubblegum Crisis 2040 - 15 (XviD).ogm_snapshot_18.40_[2012.03.10_05.30.59].jpg")
>>143311328
Fruity environmental plant faggottry instead of rusty pipes and cyborg men with exposed wires traversing neon lit steamy back alleys?
No thanks.
I wish people would stop trying to make new subgenres for cyberpunk by just taking a random word and adding punk
![Trigun Ep 1 'The $$60 Billion Man' [Remastered].mkv_snapshot_21.06_[2012.05.18_04.16.12].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FdvzC7v.jpg "Trigun Ep 1 'The $$60 Billion Man' [Remastered].mkv_snapshot_21.06_[2012.05.18_04.16.12].jpg")
>>143304747
Bebop is a space western. So is Outlaw Star and Trigun.
One of the best genres that doesn't exist anymore.
>>143309676
Haven't watched it yet but I love everything set in that universe.
>>143313695
That's true. But still, what makes cyberpunk's pessimistic view singular is how the 20th century had a huge spike on civilizational and technological development while the past World Wars and the recurring Cold War brought so much fear to people at that time, therefore the magnified view of such issues through a possible outcome of their future, a decadent technological reality. It's basically a product of the time, glossing over more pessimism than before seeing how much shit has happened in a century alone.
>>143309788
Then suddenly everyone was into it before it was popular.
![Bubblegum_Crisis_Ep7_[720p,BluRay,x264]_-_THORA.mkv_snapshot_28.08_[2012.05.28_03.33.30].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4ymFKr5.jpg "Bubblegum_Crisis_Ep7_[720p,BluRay,x264]_-_THORA.mkv_snapshot_28.08_[2012.05.28_03.33.30].jpg")
>>143310153
They're not terrorists if the organization they're fighting against is corrupt. They're freedom fighters.
>>143291879
>tracking by governments
>corporate malware
Anon, the future you were wishing for is already here. Are you sure you really want this?
>>143314724
I won't argue that a terrorist and a freedom fighter are separate entities, but remember that the difference is often based on which side of the fence you are on.
I'd say that the girls in Bubblegum Crisis are more like tactical techsupport that freedom fighters though. They stick it to a corrupt corporation by cleaning up their busted ass hardware.
![Bubblegum_Crisis_Ep5_[720p,BluRay,x264]_-_THORA.mkv_snapshot_36.01_[2012.05.02_23.56.38].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rDHkWTT.jpg "Bubblegum_Crisis_Ep5_[720p,BluRay,x264]_-_THORA.mkv_snapshot_36.01_[2012.05.02_23.56.38].jpg")
>>143314800
>get cybernetic replacement body parts
>cybernetic limbs have tracking devices in them, can also be shut down remotely
>cybernetic eyes display advertisements every fifteen minutes, mosaic real people's genitals and censor non approved reading material with back bars
>>143314724
We need to reclaim the word terrorists. They would be considered terrorists in our modern world, so we need to use the word terrorists in a good meaning so people can learn that not everything people call terrorism is bad. So called "terrorists" can also be the good guys.
>>143313411
Why?
>>143315005
It's sad to think about, Anon. What could have been so great, is probably going to be ruined by shit like that.
>>143292077
Medieval fantasy is complete shit
![Bubblegum_Crisis_Ep2_[720p,BluRay,x264]_-_THORA.mkv_snapshot_09.03_[2012.02.15_03.13.49].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/XYMFeMp.jpg "Bubblegum_Crisis_Ep2_[720p,BluRay,x264]_-_THORA.mkv_snapshot_09.03_[2012.02.15_03.13.49].jpg")
>>143314990
Normally in an oppressive society the police are in cahoots with the oppressors but in the Bubblegum universe the AD Police operate separately from the Multinational Genome Corporation and are constantly taking on their machines. The Knight Sabers are like the secret SWAT team of the already rebellious police.
>>143315026
>loli cyberpunk
This doesn't and can never exist
>deconstruction
This was never funny
>>143309303
>>143315005
>using non-free(as in freedom) cybernetic limbs
>not jailbreaking your eyes
>>143310668
>>143311597
Anime based on the world of The Garden of Earthly Delights, fucking when?
>>143292003
Cyberpunk world is worse than literal hell according to this anon.
![[HorribleSubs] Koukaku no Pandora - 06 [720p].mkv_snapshot_20.18_[2016.02.23_03.51.33].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/JFEGJo6.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Koukaku no Pandora - 06 [720p].mkv_snapshot_20.18_[2016.02.23_03.51.33].jpg")
>>143315408
Not cyberpunk but this is the closest we have.
>>143315408
>This doesn't and can never exist
You mean you just don't want it to exist right?
Because something like a cyperpunk setting that focuses on a group of cyborg lolis isn't infeasible at all. Especially if they all turn out to be ex-40 years old virgins that transplanted their brains.
Cyberpunk only has one chance, but I think it will suck, so no, cyberpunk as a genre is doomed.
>>143310153
Surveillance networks aren't remotely flawless
>>143316124
drcox.jpg
>>143316109
it's coming back dude
>>143295664
You say like it is a secret club or something. It is the biggest thing after this.
>>143316587
Lots of 80s stuff is. Some of it made with actual talent, but most of it's made by hipster faggots who weren't even alive back then and think that pixel art, vaporwave,, vhs tapes and the handful of 80s movies they've seen are like totally retro.
>>143315013
Can we take back porch monkeys as a non-racist term while we are at it?
>>143314220
Like Stonepunk?
>>143317050
>>143311328
>>143314065
>Solarpunk
Isn't Solarpunk basically a world like Shin Sekai Yori or Aria?
>>143291879
But anon-kun, you live in a cyberpunk dystopian present:
>everyone is online
>ridiculous levels of datamining done by corporations, common apps for smartphones and online services are designed to extract as much information from a person for marketing purposes as possible
>ridiculous levels of untargeted/passive online spying done by governments (in the US the government saves your internet history for a year, your texts for a year, the data on your phones connections to cell towers which can be used to analyze your travel history for several months, and more all passively collected without a warrant)
>large amounts of government surveillance in larger cities with CCTV cameras sometimes combined with analytical software and license plate readers that can be used to track movements of vehicles
>recent US court ruling just legalized government hacking of computers without a warrant
>corporations actively engage in cybercrime (DOS/DDOS attacks by corporations on websites associated with piracy are a thing)
Seriously, start caring about this shit and trying to protect yourself and you'll realize that you're living it.
I know Blame! is called cyberpunk but it's a bit (see A LOT) too futuristic and dystopian.
>>143316785
I don't want to be rude
>>143317508
This.
While we don't have a corporate council, it's not needed because lobbyists.
Really the only thing we're missing is augments which are an inevitability now.
>>143313146
>Not enough waifus for the average anime fan.
Doesn't have to be.
>>143318402
Fuck wrong image.
>>143317508
But that's just depressing and boring, like the rest of my life
Because it's a gimmick that gets old very fast.
>>143311597
It's not about dystopias being popular, it's about utopias being unpopular.
>technology to make a real utopia
It's not about technology, it's about mental state. I did just say that nobody actually wants it. Neither do you; you would reject it quickly if you actually were to find yourself in one.
>>143317050
>Stonepunk
>dystopic gritty flinstones
>>143315408
>>loli cyberpunk
>
>This doesn't and can never exist
What is Kikokugai?
>>143319263
that could be p sweet
it has lolis, dinosaurs , i mean if japan remade flintstones it would probably be like that anyways
![[visible confusion].png](https://i.imgur.com/cWaFjCE.png "[visible confusion].png")
>>143317664
>too futuristic and dystopian
>>143311597
>Prevalence of dystopias is a relatively recent phenomenon, it's hard to pin the exact reason of dystopias being popular, but maybe westerners are too safe and bored in their comfy civilization.
It started in the 70s with the death of optimistic futurism. It's reflected in the science fiction of the period up until Gibson published Neuromancer, when the coroporate techno-dystopia of cyberpunk had been fully realized.
>>143317664
Post-cyberpunk, perhaps?
>>143304231
E.Y.E. is magical indeed.
Is Chaika the best cyberpunk series of all time?
Only newfags will disagree
>>143290752
I wonder if you'd ever get over the constant niggling fear that eventually you're going to accidentally rip your cock off while fapping.
But more relevant; I wonder if Japan has ever done dieselpunk. I'd be somewhat surprised to see it even in 3D form.
>>143293179
That's a very good point because pretty much all anime is escapism and otaku don't generally watch it to have to think about their crappy declining society or personal lives.
>>143320948
>I wonder if Japan has ever done dieselpunk
Isn't Desert Punk basically dieselpunk?
>>143321023
Shit, I almost forgot about that because we never talk about good anime that isn't airing. 9/10 minimum, at least the dub.
I don't know how literally they followed the script but I got the impression they probably made some seamless improvements to some of the jokes.
I was blown away because I'd never seen anything similar come out of anime.
>>143294620
Why the fuck was my response deleted? What is wrong with these newfag janitors? Christ
I just posted some /cyber/ music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9L4q-0Pi4E
>>143321791
It was probably just collateral damage as part of the mass deletions.
>>143290752
Cyberpunk is intrinsically linked to themes of classism, of wealth, of the abuse of power and loss of human rights. Mainstream media, in general, tends to avoid these themes - they're funded by the villains, after all.
>>143322249
likely both
sage
>>143322403
>Mainstream media, in general, tends to avoid these themes
Are you joking? Mainstream media loves to portrait those same issues in almost everywhere.
>>143294146
>hasn't read neuromancer
>trying to have opinions about what cyberpunk is
Actually Neuromancer would be a pretty rad source for anime. The actual story is kinda wonky, maybe just a loose adaptation.
>>143290821
>Snow Crash anime
>>143313032
This. If we don't live in an automated world is because of pure ideological reasons, not because we lack the technology to do that.
>>143322898
This. Its a crime that one of the founding novels of cyberpunk has never been properly adapted into anything. It doesn't even have a (complete) graphic novel.
>>143290752
Go watch good 80/early 90's anime, there is a ton of good cyberpunk, start with Bubblegum Crisis.
>>143324311
These all look way too young.
>>143324311
>Tumblr designs
Please, no.
>>143318872
>depressing and boring
Describes cyberpunk settings to a T. The only reason cyberpunk entertainment is fun is because it features glamorized crooks, cops, or underworld mercenaries. Just like TV shows and movies set in the present.
>>143322898
>>143324311
>tfw Nihei could have been the art director of a new Neuromancer movie that was cancelled two years ago
Why even live?
>>143320008
Blame is post-post-post cyberpunk.
The City in its initial state is cyberpunk; the period immediately post-Netsphere disaster is post-cyberpunk, the beginning of societal reconstruction in small pockets of The City is post-post, and the period around and after the destruction of that reconstruction as it happens in the manga is post-post-post.
>>143322854
>>143295361
>look at me I read a book once so I don't need to make real points
I read about 100 pages of Neuromancer and lost interest. I've been meaning to go back for about four years now but have never gotten around to it. Prose was boring as hell and the setting felt totally unrealised. Oh but then after Blade Runner came out with its amazing visuals and score the author goes 'oh yeah that's what I did but on a screen rather than my shit uninspired words on paper' so now it's a masterpiece. If I do go back to that book and finish it and it turns out to still be shit I'm blaming you two fags.
I think that Phillip K. Dick is a much better writer. He conveys a strongly creepy and disorienting feeling in all his work that really gives the impression that the whole world has gone wrong. That's what the genre should be about. The edgelords wearing leather and big coats thing is just an aesthetic phase that was inspired by Blade Runner.
>>143324930
Okay, sure, but we're talking about cyberpunk. Neuromancer codified the genre and Blade Runner fleshed out its aesthetic. I'm also not sure what the point is you're trying to make about Pillip K. Dick. He's certainly a better writer than Gibson, but Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? was also certainly NOT cyberpunk. It was straight sci-fi. So I'm not sure how that's relevant.
>>143325217
>certainly NOT cyberpunk
Why?
And I don't think that we can say Neuromancer codified the genre before a consensus is reached on what the genre is. What was really influenced by Neuromancer? I think that Dick's influence reaches much farther and I also consider almost everything he wrote true cyberpunk.
>>143325268
>true cyberpunk
Nah, Dick wrote general science fiction. Cyberpunk is pretty superficial genre fiction. It's defined almost as much by the aesthetic of the setting as it is by theme. It's also difficult to define because cyberpunk it has a bunch of sub-genres.
In its most quintessential form, cyberpunk has the following characteristics:
1. The bottom-most dregs of society are directly mixed with futuristic technology.
3. Themes of the shifting definition of humanity in the face of singularity-level technology.
I would argue that Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? is not cyberpunk because it doesn't even close to meet the first of these criteria. You could make the point that the MC feels oppressed by his society, but he's really just a middle-class dude with a nice enough wife and home life. And while it does have commentary on the flaws of a society that has become increasingly artificial, cyberpunk is really built around a more obvious and in-your-face portrayal of gritty realism mixed with high technology.
Dick is too classy for cyberpunk, an inherently pulpy genre.
>>143320053
>start up the game
>the fuck is this what is happening what the fuck is brouzouf
>4 hours later
>JESUS CHRISTI CAN JUMP 50m STRAIGHT UP AND BACKSTAB A CYBERDEMON WITH MY EXPLODING SWORD BEFORE TELEFRAGGING A FACIST FED THIS IS THE BEST THING EVER
>>143304167
>>143304231
>>143320053
>>143325704
E.Y.E. might be the greatest game I've ever played.tfw /cyg/ is kill ;_;
>>143325681
>>143325776
Would the new New Deus Ex be considered Cyberpunk? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XOLX3Dbgqw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-MU5MgRV6U&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D4-MU5MgRV6U&has_verified=1
>>143321791
Sounds like vaporware garbage, so I don't blame him for deleting your post.
>>143326284
Yeah, definitely. Lame, ham-fisted cyberpunk, but yeah.
>>143304460
You're a retard. Lain is certainly a vaguely futuristic setting and noir esque.
>>143304488
>cyberpunk is all about radical (anarchist even) self-expression in a depressingly opressive dystopia where lives *don't* matter and you just have to deal with it, or go insane
Lain's Wired was dystopian. The lives there didn't matter (people dead, children used as experiments, etc...)
Lain was not a fit in either.
>>143325217
And the Epic of Gilgamesh codified the epic genre but you don't fucking need to read it. You can start with other epics and understand what they are about.
This thread is full of retards.
>>143327607
>posting the edited version
>>143327454
Dude was saying that Blade Runner isn't cyberpunk. He was just objectively wrong. I don't understand what your point is.
>>143327454
>the Epic of Gilgamesh codified the epic genre
No, it was just the first.
>>143328081
No, he wasn't. He talked about the source material (the book), not the movie.
>>143320817
Well, Fumihiro Katagai, who worked on both Chaika and Show By Rock!! as mechanical animation designer does love to insert advanced technological elements in everyday environments.
>>143328190
No, it's just the earliest great epic for which we have a significant portion of the text.
>>143329533
Sorry, yes. I meant to say that, I'm not sure why I didn't.
>>143329545
Carry on, friend. :o)
>>143329634
Kill yourself.
>>143329652
So mean ;_;
>>143309415
Cyberpunk is essentially film noir set in the future.
science fiction is generally not film noir.
>>143327812
Me in green.
Is Gravestone of Jigen Daisuke cyberpunk?
>>143330014
I'm Antenna-Head.
He's right though. There are many 'cyber' anime shows, but most of them lack the 'punk' aspect.
>>143331395
>blue spiky hair
>not a punk
>>143313329
>CGDCT
Bubblegum Crisis? It even had yuri, if I remember correctly.
Cyberpunk in the sense like 80s maybe dead but something like Psycho-pass with some climate changing,NSA element may be the new.
>>143327051
Why "garbage" though? Sounds good to me. Stop hating things just to be cool in some way. It comes off as ingenuine. Makes you look stupid too.
