daily reminder that if you prefer Rei over Asuka you may actually suffer from brain sclerosis
>>143210180
Asuka in period time
>>143210180
What do people actually see in Asuka? I can't fathom the rabid fandom she has. Rei is floppy noodle of a thing, sure, but having no strong postive or negative qualities has to make her better than someone with literally nothing but aggressive negative traits like Asuka, right?
>>143210420
>aggressive negative
Well that is only because shinji is to much of a pushover too do anything
>>143210420
speaks three languages though
>>143210180
Dude, Asuka is a bitch. Loud and hostile. But she's hot though. I'll give her that much.
>>143210180
Good thing I don't then.
>>143210420
>someone with literally nothing but aggressive negative traits like Asuka
That's where you're wrong
Friendly reminder: If you prefer Asuka or Rei over superior Misato (Original and Pre 3.33, not the shitty 3.33 version), then you are crazy.
People who unironically prefer Rei over Asuka didn't get the point of Eva and have absolutely no understanding of the basics of the series.
How do we stop the evil Asukafags?
http://forward.com/opinion/national/342905/decoding-an-anti-semitic-meme-donald-trump-supporters-took-from-anime/
>>143210676
>Trumpfags
>evil
Cirno News Network detected
>>143210640
>muh dad
>muh alcoholism
>muh penguin
>>143210676
>One meme, however, grabbed my attention. Posted several times, it featured a female, catlike anime character wearing a “Make America Great Again” hat, her hands/paws in attack mode. Despite a fair amount of googling and searching databases of memes, I couldn’t find anyone decoding this particular image.
>Despite a fair amount of googling and searching databases of memes, I couldn’t find anyone decoding this particular image.
You're allowed to like both y'know.
>>143210764
>20 years later and people are still trying to decode Eva
Truly the greatest anime of all time.
>>143210676
>>143210764
This has to be satire, right?
>>143210812
tbqf no anime before Eva was that memetic
>>143210840
I don't think so. The memetic warfare is getting out of hand.
>>143210866
Why didn't he comment on Momiji/Awoo? That's posted a dozen times in every thread and far more prominent than a random MAGA shop of Asuka.
>>143210180
daily reminder that if you enjoy Eva the world suffers from your existence.
>>143210898
I guess he has already decoded that one.
>>143210672
Elaborate
What if I prefer Rei simply because her visual design is more appealing to me?
>>143210180
like asuka's mom right ? AHAHA
>>143210791
>>143211066
Hi Gendo
I like more Ritsuko, she's my best girl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJV3XY1f0yo
>>143211074
Hey, I didn't say you were allowed to like Mari.
>>143210622
>That's where you're wrong
Not really, no. She's like the very definition of narcissistic personality disorder.
Asuka is a hot bitch and I want to reinforce her narcissism
>>143210180
Daily reminder that if you actually like Evangelion you ARE Brain damage.
>>143211214
This would only be a problem if she were a grown woman
>>143211105
Hello.
>not loving tsunderes
it's an acquired taste and I wouldn't expect all the normies, spics and plebs on /a/ to understand
>>143210180
Reporting for doody!
>>143211276
I'd say being a vapid, selfish cunt is a problem at any age.
>>143211310
Except Asuka isn't a tsundere, she's just a rabid bitch.
>>143211326
It's called puberty
Also, nothing a good dicking can't fix
>>143211325
No need for a name take or even the plug suit. We all know who that is.
>>143211354
no she isn't and there's several occasions where she is not a complete bitch to Shinji
>>143211406
*tag
>>143211365
You think she's just "being a typical teenage girl"? No dude, She has a severe psychosis. It's made abundantly clear in the series.
>>143211448
Nothing a good dicking can't fix
>>143211195
Actually, you are not allowed, are you a Marifag? Choose red or blue, faggot.
>>143211419
List three.
>>143211419
Yes she is. We've had a million threads explaining how Asuka is not a tsundere because she's all tsun and no dere.
She's not some tough exterior masking soft core: she's a narcissist. She's wired to only care about her ego and nothing else.
>>143211486
>sticking your dick in crazy
Good luck with that.
Man, going into this anime I thought there would be a lot of "Do you prefer apples or oranges? Mr. Ikari, the choice is yours." kind of thing due to all the Rei vs Asuka arguments. I must say I was greeted quite differently. Thought they were gonna kinda clamor over him.
I want to tease Asuka.
>>143211599
I'll take my chances, thanks
>>143211525
>>143211538
yeah that's why at the end of 3.33 she decides to take care of Shinji right? or aids to rescue him from space? what about choosing to leave her ego aside to work together with him in the choreography chapter? what about deciding to leave instrumentality to be with Shinji?
you're all retards who missed the points on the characters, they are all fucked up with trauma and the fact that someone like Asuka can even show moments of kindness to an whiny unmotivated bitch like Shinji shows that she's not a one dimensional character who's all tsun
>inb4 movies not cannon
Asuka's psychology was one of the most interesting parts of the show to me. I think I found her insecurities relatable. Also, I remember my older sister doing crazy shit when she went through puberty as well.
>>143211726
Soryu is not Shikinami. Shikinami is a tsundere, that's clear in 2.0. Even Miyamura separates both characters when she works for this same reason.
>>143211726
>3.33
lol kindly fuck off.
>>143211726
>inb4 movies not cannon
To be fair, Soryu and Shikinami are more or less different characters
>>143210420
Personally I liked her because she was the only one who genuinely liked and took pride in being an Eva pilot. She was smart and only a bitch to Shinji because he's a beta faggot and Rei because of her problems with dolls. She had a girlfriend whom the name I forgot and always acted nice towards her.
Rei was a fucking nothing.
>>143211726
>what about deciding to leave instrumentality to be with Shinji?
what? maybe you were the one missing the point of the characters, she left instrumentality because she doesn't want to die and instrumentality is just that, she said it so a lot of times in eoe, it has nothing to do with shinji
Updated remake of the original series with highly upgraded animated and animation style when? I'm tired of seeing the blocky choppy characters every time I rewatch it.
>>143211767
>>143211784
>>143211787
ok, what about the examples from the series? I guess Asuka doesn't care a bit when Shinji's swallow by the angel
you fell for the women hate meme and can only concentrate on the bad atributes of developing characters
I guess Shinji's just a pussy, Rei's just a robot, Katsuragi's just a bitch, etc.
>>143211873
>image
Delete this
>>143211885
m8 I don't hate Asuka at all and agree with your points, I just pointed out that her in the show != the Asuka in the movies.
>>143211873
the fuck is wrong with you it's beautiful
>>143211726
You've clearly never dealt with someone like this in real life.
Narcissists aren't running around fucking everyone over 24/7 wearing their selfishness on their sleeve. They'd never survive that way. The point is that their core drive is unrepentantly self-motivated and self-aggrandizing. They do stuff that SEEMS nice enough, but it's ultimately all about securing their narcissistic supply: a reliable, convenient source of praise/attention.
Asuka's not some evil monster, but she is, at the end of the day, a selfish bitch even when she's having moments of momentarily setting it aside to get shit done. You're just fanwanking.
>>143211885
the choreography chapter was cool as it seemed they were finally getting along, but in the end of the chapter they were back to usual
even Misato points out in later chapters how bad their relationship is going to Ritsuko and speaks about how it'd be better to stop living together
>>143211826
Underplaying Asuka's flaws like that. Her personality in general is pretty disagreeable. More than Rei and Shinji ended up on the receiving end of her bad attitude. She was so passionate about piloting because it was the only thing that made her feel relevant. Not to say there isn't anything good about her.
> Rei was a fucking nothing
This is a lie
maybe Rei was nothing maybe not
it doesn't matter she's disposable people
>>143211989
No it's not you stupid fagget bitch face! They could always improve the animation. Your idiot brain is just filled with nostalgia because you don't realize that the original would still exist.
>>143212055
Rei could be removed from the show and have little impact on it, I feel.
>>143212148
I bet you dislike LOGH as well you visualcuck
>>143211885
No, see you think this is about not seeing the complexity of the character, and it's not.
It's about understanding that yes, everyone is complex and there are reasons for their behaviors and they often even have a redeeming quality or two, but that people who ultimately act wholly in their own self-interest aren't worth that kind of understanding on your part. You're just making excuses for Asuka's bad behavior, and if you haven't learned it already you'd better learn to just not fucking bother with people like that. They thrive on your patience and understanding because they can't believe you're stupid enough to put up with their bullshit and believe their facade.
Asuka is unlikable. Everyone knows it but Shinji who doesn't have high enough self-esteem to grant himself the permission to just write her off entirely.
>>143211998
I never got the impression that Asuka was narcissistic to the core. For me it was more a way of dealing with all the shit in her life (teenage angst). She sheltered herself in that way. During her meltdown you can see she does not believe what you just said, she needs other people deep inside and not just as means to realize her objectives.
I can't believe you went through the whole series seriously believing she just cared about herself.
>>143212269
Not trying to be rude, but that's because you don't understand what you're looking at. It's a personality disorder, not teen angst. She's a fictional character, but there are lots of people who are very much like her and I assure you that if you had any intimate dealings with them you'd feel differently.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder
Asuka just suffered from insomnia from sleeping on shitty Japanese "beds"
>>143212055
>She was so passionate about piloting because it was the only thing that made her feel relevant.
And what's so bad about it? While Rei always deemed herself as disposable and Shinji never though much of himself, Asuka was the only one who latched on the one thing who made her feel worth. She had personality, she lived for herself and tried to make her presence as something to be needed. She was by far the most relatable and while sometimes I did feel bad for both Shinji and Rei that was only because I had perceived their point of views and struggle. To Asuka they were nothing but people who lived by the want of others. She wasn't perfect but she tried the most to surpass her struggles. Maybe just not by the right means.
Isn't it wrong for Shinji to be with Rei?
>>143212166
I'm not saying I dislike the original but I want to see a better animated one so that I have the option to watch it again with better animation and still be able to watch the old one for nostalgia sake you freckle faced shit fuck.
>>143212222
The thing is I don't think she was meant to be a likeable character, pretty much all the main characters are not likeable (except Kaworu and Misato). But even characters that are not meant to be likeable can have good traits and some sort of development, it depends on how the story is played out.
I don't think Asuka was just 100% narcissistic without the possibility of change cause her actions and what the show gives us insight of disproves it.
>>143211885
>you fell for the women hate meme and can only concentrate on the bad atributes of developing characters
This so much. Asuka's just a kid at the end of the day. I've known plenty of girls and guys like her. Asuka wouldn't be hard to deal with as a person, in fact I actually really like her personality. I have a quick wit and like to argue so I'm generally inclined towards that kind of personality as opposed to someone who is quiet and dimure like Shinji and Rei, if I had to pick between the three of them I'd prefer to hang out with Asuka. Hell nobody else in the school seems to have a problem with her.
>>143212486
Shinji is with Kaworu already.
>>143212526
but it already happened and we got Chinsuka and crappy CGI, you're up for disappointment
>>143210180
I like asuka better but her bangs look like a mustache
>>143212580
DELET THIS
>>143211873
Go watch the Rebuild movies, faggot.
>>143212450
>And what's so bad about it?
It was bad because it was just a tool for her to garner praise and attention from others. She's a hypocrite. She thinks she's different from Rei and Shinji because she perceives them as self-deprecating but doesn't realize that she herself has low self-esteem and is just as (if not moreso) reliant on the opinions of others to feel good about herself.
Her confidence is a lie, an overinflated self-image. She's trying to convince herself and others of her greatness because she's trying to turn herself into something that is so valued and important that she is indisposable. She wants to be essential to the organization and others because she has severe abandonment issues.
Hence the whole "look at me mama!" shit in EoE. At her core, she's starved for maternal praise that was fundamentally denied to her and she is overcompensating.
>>143212162
She helps, albeit unintentionally, with Shinji overcoming his early anxieties and a small hint of romance grows between them. Plus she adds to the atmospheric vibes of the show. Her struggles with self-worth and replaceability are interesting. Then later on she goes Lilith on us. The overall experience would certainly be different without her presence.
>>143212450
Asuka was coping with feelings of irrelevance, among other issues. Everyone deals with a problem in their own way. Shinji and Rei are relatable too. But it depends on an individual perspective. Shinji is afraid of hurt and failure, so he avoids situations where others depend on him. As for Rei, she hasn't really known anything else. She was raised to serve one purpose and she knows that she can be replaced at any moment. So she simply does as instructed as best as she can and doesn't get emotionally attached to anyone or anything besides Gendo (who probably praises her for her obedience). But even in NGE she begins to open up and discover more to life.
>>143212148
>i want gainax to make asuka more like my moeblob waifus
>i dont like le old anime i only care for things that are good drawings XDD
back to sao, you dont belong here
>>143212567
>nobody else in the school seems to have a problem with her
In one of the early episodes it shows all the girls besides Hikari fucking hate her. Plus Touji and Krnsuke, who say the guys would stop drooling over her if they knew how she was really like.
>>143212602
I don't know anon! I just don't know! Maybe they just need to make the entire series in claymation or a almost hentai DXD version or some shit! I just want to see it again with different animation. It's not like they won't make money on it.
>>143212567
she's definitely got serious issues, but I agree that there's an endearing spark in her that makes me sympathize with all her emotional baggage
>>143212839
What if they made the same version but everybody was the opposite sex?
>>143212875
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sense-and-sensitivity/201201/the-highly-sensitive-person-and-the-narcissist
>>143212755
Don't get me wrong. I know that Rei has a significance to the plot, but she feels like more of a plot device than a character. I guess it's meant to be that way.
As a disclaimer, I've only just finished the original series, haven't watched the movies or rebuilds.
>>143210420
Masochists.
>>143212948
Yea and the female version of Shinji actually fucked the Male version of Misato instead of what actually happened. Little twists here and there.
>>143212717
>she wants to be useful and cared about
>but only because she's an unrepentant bitch liat who only cares about herself!!
why so much hate anon?
wanting to feel important to others so she can deal with the abandonment she suffered when she was a child is not so bad, it's her own way of dealing with it even if the way she does it is not the best
denial and sheltering are important topics in the series, you're just dismissing her good traits because of her "unlikeable" personality
>>143212999
Even Anno didn't care for her.
>>143212948
what if evas rode giant humans?
would that be decomposition of decomposition?
>>143213035
Instead of Eva's they could just be sexy body armor that only they can wear that makes them extremely strong and the Angels are literal angels that they have to fight until they destroyed all their body armor leaving them nude so that they are sent to hell.
>>143212162
You're trolling or a moron. Rei and Shinji are indispensable parts of Evangelion. If anything, Asuka is the one who's fairly easy to write out as she holds little relevance to the plot.
>>143212999
Try watching it again. There's a reason Rei has an overwhelming amount of popularity (Though not quite as popular as Asuka in Otaku circles), and that's her interesting and frankly really unique and standout character arc.
>>143213055
>even
For one, that's not actually true. Anno liked Rei enough that he put a serious level of effort into writing her in the original series, and for another he was so mad about her that he tried really hard to devalue her in 3.0.
>>143213038
Ok dude. You've clearly made up your mind that you like her despite the way she actually treats the people around her.
Like I said, we'll so how you feel when you actually deal with someone like that for any extended period of time.
>>143213055
If so, then the joke is on him. Rei has the greater popularity.
>>143210180
Daily reminder that deep down, Asuka is jealous of Rei and Shinji and feels inferior to them.
>>143210180
In terms of looks they are both plain as fuck but at least Asuka kinda looks like a girl.
>>143212644
It's too late, Anon-kun.
>>143213038
>she wants to be useful and cared about
Are you just dense? She doesn't want to be "useful and cared about", she wants to be worshipped. There's a difference.
I don't really consider myself an Asuka person but I jacked off to a lot of Asuka porn the other day and it felt really great, kind of weird since I didn't really feel anything for Asuka before
You can't say no to this <3
>>143213251
I hate Kirino and I regularly empty my balls to her doujins.
>>143213146
I agreed she's not a likeable character but you seem to be stuck and dismiss her background and context as reasons for her behavior. You also dismiss her good traits and believe no matter what change is not possible.
it seems you have had to deal with someone like that, I haven't so you could be right. I still like her unlikable character cause even if it isn't played in the series I believe she'd be able to overcome her narcissism.
>>143213128
I do see your point in that Rei does have a great character arc and the chronicling of her struggle of identity. I'm mostly muddled by ep 25-26 right now, having just finished watching it a few hours ago.
I line Rei, she's cute and all. But I could never relate to her. Met a girl that was as mellow as her in my early college days, took me a long time to get close to her.
>>143210180
hourly reminder that u're waifu a shit
>>143213038
>it's her own way of dealing with it
We can forgive Hitler too then.
>>143213314
I understand why you think that, but it's one of the harsh truths about life that people don't really work that way. You'll be in for a lot of disappointment by focusing on the potential you see in people by ignoring blaring flaws in favor of the few redeeming qualities they have. People are what they are at a certain point, and any change they make is gonna come from them and them alone.
>>143213228
but being worshipped is her way of feeling appreciated you mong
after her meltdown and her subsequent fight with the new series evas it is clear she's doing it not for the praise of others but because of her conviction and to prove to herself that she's worthy, we see a change from wanting the praise of others to fill the void to actually doing things to demonstrate herself that she's worth it
>>143210921
Explain
>>143213511
some people have
also
>comparing the actions of a trouble teenager with the actions of Hitler
>>143213511
Godwin's Law
Reifags are literally cancer
>>143210568
>putting the blame on Shinji for Asuka's shit behavior
Wew, lad.
>>143213128
>There's a reason Rei has an overwhelming amount of popularity (Though not quite as popular as Asuka in Otaku circles), and that's her interesting and frankly really unique and standout character arc.
>not as popular in otaku circles
Oh my God this faggot again. Just when I thought people were having a non-autistic thread nased on well reasoned character analysis this guy show up.
>>143213609
>comparing the actions of a trouble teenager with the actions of Hitler
Actually it's comparing the action of a cunt with no actual power to a cunt with actual power.
>>143212795
>one of the early episodes it shows all the girls besides Hikari fucking hate her
No it doesn't and if they do they're just jellyfam. We all saw the fuckton of love letters that were stuffed into that locker.
When you think of it. What SEELE is doing with the HIP project isn't too bad. Sort of creates a permanent lifestream.
y'all niggers forget something
Asuka's aryan as fuck and her musical theme seethes with Freedom
>>143213710
>one rides a giant monster covered in armor, not harmed by any kind of weaponry except semi-nuclear bombs and other monster, also the embodiment of german pride, not giving up and self determination
>one wasn't even german, failed as a painter and got defeated in two wars, once by slavs
you meant Hitler when you said powerless right?
>>143213844
It hurts my soul when Soryhu speaks Kraut
what did they mean by this
>>143213893
>Japs
>language skills
they manage to butcher Korean, don't expect too much
>>143213519
>it's okay to require everyone to praise you and give you incessant attention if it makes you feel better
lol ok senpai.
>>143213958
Gendo is Jesus.
>>143210180
Reminder that Yui is still best
>>143214168
>best
>gets cucked by Gendo
>>143214049
who said it was ok? it's understandable
nice arguments tho
>>143214168
>>143213844
Hitler was the one in charge. Asuka only get to pilot the super robot with permission.
>>143212981
It's interesting that that author seems to treat all apparent narcissists as hollow, manipulative monsters who don't deserve any sympathy at all
Asuka's definitely not manipulative (just bossy, arrogant, and rude) and we see that there are genuine underlying causes for her issues. If she were just an emotionally empty sociopath, the show wouldn't try so hard to make us sympathize with her
At any rate, I really understand her insecurity and the sort of exaggerated confidence she puts on to hide it, because I act that way sometimes too
>>143214309
>If she were just an emotionally empty sociopath, the show wouldn't try so hard to make us sympathize with her
Monster
>>143214214
>understandable
Who gives a fuck "why" someone acts like a cunt? Everyone has reasons. Doesn't matter before the weight of the "what."
Grow up.
>>143214213
Dead people can't get cucked
>>143213128
>and that's her interesting and frankly really unique and standout character arc.
No you fucking chrononigger
The reason why Rei is so popular is because she was created to be an otaku's dreamgril
Her character is a criticism/deconstruction of the vapid, seen but not heard, always complies girl that faggot betas who never speak to actual women fantasise about.
>>143213798
Did you even read my fucking post?
>>143214278
if Asuka was in charge Nerv would be great again
>>143214359
>who gives a fuck about people's circumstances
it seems you're the one who needs to grow up, her actions are not inexcusable but as a viewer you can understand why she acts that way and if you're not a fucking robot devoid of emotion you could be at least s bit sympathetic towards her
>>143214353
I need more than that senpai
I like Asuka xD
>>143214589
He's a Reifag, literally incapable of sympathy.
>>143214589
You sound just like a SJW.
How do you feel about 4.0 never coming out?
I have mixed emotions.
>>143214690
Not him, but on the contrary. I an a Reifag, and I could never hurt a fly.
>>143211030
Not him but I think I see what he's getting at. Asuka is a troublesome relationship for Shinji, but there's clearly potential there. The problem isn't Asuka, she makes moves, she takes risks. The problem is Shinji, he's also interested but too afraid of rejection to do anything, leaving them both lonely and unfulfilled.
Rei isn't interested and does nothing. With Rei there's no fear because there's no feeling. I don't mean Rei has no feelings, she clearly does, but there's no real potential for any kind of deep relationship between her and Shinji. Rei is the easy way out, Rei is rejecting the risks of a more realistic relationship for something easier.
Asuka's got problems but by taking risks and investing yourself in another person you can get something happening. Rei's got no problem but that relationship is clearly a dead end. Anno wants you to invest in human relationships. A blank doll to detached form humanity to truly love or hate you isn't a relationship.
Ball's in your court, Reifags.
>>143214769
you sound like a retard
I still can't decide best girl! They're both so great.
why does Anno hate Misato so much
>>143214776
Anno was working on it before he got pulled into Godzilla Resurgence. He'll probably get back to Eva after finishing up on Godzilla.
>>143214832
You're waifufagging now i see.
>>143214889
Cause she's a woman with daddy issues.
>>143214920
Is Godzilla a lava monster now?
>>143214982
godzilla is a zord now
>>143214934
>now
my first post in the thread. I had nothing before that. Do Reifags have a real answer? Without addressing waifuism do you think the general analysis is on point?
In the name of neutrality I will post true eternal best girl.
>>143213958
Gendo sacrifices his life and his loved ones for humanity (human instrumentality project), just like jesus, the cross in this case is to be hated by everybody
>>143214832
>Asuka is a troublesome relationship for Shinji, but there's clearly potential there
There's no "potential" here aside from mutual destruction.
>Rei isn't interested and does nothing
You either didn't watch the show or didn't understand any of it.
>Rei is rejecting the risks of a more realistic relationship for something easier
It's like your brain reworked Evangelion into your headcanon fanfiction crap while watching.
This sheds so much light on how some retarded Asukafags perceive the show. You're either 12, which would made the dumb shit you typed acceptable in another place than here or you just need to get out of the basement asap.
Enough of this Rei v Asuka crap that's been going on for decades.
The real question is; Soryhu or Shikinami?
>>143215091
>turning all people into tang is somehow a good thing
>>143215114
>There's no potential here aside from mutual destruction
I like to think of the ending to EoE as a positive step though. I don't really think it works with your interpretation.
I don't really remember that much about Rei though. Some actual counterpoints would go a lot further here than calling me retarded every time you disagree with something I write. About 9/10 of what you wrote is there is directed at me personally rather than what I wrote.
>>143215188
Soryu has superior shading.
>>143211885
>XDDD
>>143215188
I can't even pronounce Sorhurrhuy properly
>>143215284
My bad, I misspelled her name. You don't have to have to be mean about it.
with a good animation cel of Asuka.
>>143215385
What a smug bitch
The real best girl in the series is Ritsuko
>reifags reduced to shitposting
welp it was a nice thread lads
>>143215385
She's just trying to get that hot Kaji dick.
>>143215517
>my mom is three computers
>>143215596
Better than not having one. Checkmate Misatofag
>>143210180
shit if those two were all I had to pick from I'd go gay for dicks too
>>143215385
>>143214832
Interesting interpretation. Not sure that I agree with your claim that Shinji wouldn't have a future with Rei. There are people like her. She didn't have much of a life and her personality reflects this. No sense of self worth, confidence, or friends/loved ones. Not too different from our protagonist. But when Shinji starts to spend time with her and treats her like a human being, she opens up and shows more emotion. Then the show kind of threw that away by replacing her with another clone.
>>143215731
>reifags can't comprehend blueboards
wew
>>143210180
Sad to say, Asuka is what most women are like at that age. She just vocalizes it more because it's a tv show.
Had she had the chance to mature, we would see her as an ideal women. We like potential and Asuka offers that. It fits the themes of the show.
>>143215731
No, there would be no future in Shinji and Rei. A man should not be with what is basically his mother
>>143215241
>I like to think of the ending to EoE as a positive step though
>humanity has to be reduced to fish soup and the world turned into a sterile desert for Asuka to say that she's disgusted with Shinji
Who would mane a better mom? Rei; like Shinji said. Or Asuka?
>>143216107
but the soup is happy
Asuka is destined to be forever unsatisfied with her life
>>143216126
Make*
>>143216126
>Asuka hates kids.
>Rei turned her children into tang.
No thanks.
>>143215731
anon, firstly thank you for your thought out reply. Secondly, did you mean to post another image instead of that one? Thirdly,does that image come in best girl?
Now onto the actual discussion. I think that the show attempts to make it very clear that Rei isn't just introverted or not used to people, she's simply 'not good at [...] living.' She's setup to seem like she's got the potential to be legit but I think her death and the clone reveal was really meant to drive this point home. She might seem good with Shinji at first but I think a true relationship isn't meant to seem possible there.
>>143216107
Not positive as in, 'wow humanity's goin places.' Just positive for Shinji and Asuka's relationship. It took the death of the entire world as they knew it, but Shinji and Asuka were finally able to open up to each other and share intimacy. It was a rough as hell process and might or might not have led some good, but what's important is that after so much time spent getting close to each other but avoiding any kind of serious commitment out of fear they're finally able to get truly close.
I think this is backed up by that they aren't just dealing with each other emotionally, Shinji is straddling Asuka in the final shot and she touches his face. This is also the closest they've been physically. On both levels they're together.
>>143216126
Does Rei really display motherly qualities? Even if she were really damn affectionate towards her kid would that be enough? She lives in a prison-tier decorated apartment with bloody bandages all over eating for the sake of not dying. If she's too out of it to take care of herself how would she cope with a family?
Asuka on the other hand I think could do all right but if for whatever reason she was left without emotional support would completely break down. She's got a lot of baggage and children are one hell of a strain.
>>143216216
Soup doesn't sound fun at all.
>>143216329
Rei blushed when Shinji said she would make a great mother. Asuka doesn't want to have kids but can. Rei wants to have kids but cant
>>143216480
Why can't Rei have kids? They said that?
>>143213038
I agree.
The first time I watched the series I was a teen and just liked Asuka because I thought she was cute and I was horny teenager.
Going back on it now, I would have treated her as more of a big brother rather than wanting to fuck her as she really just needed someone to guide her and love her unconditionally.
The girl just needed someone to hug and kiss on the forehead and let her have a shoulder to cry on so she can get rid of the facade that she is tough and confident when in reality she is lonely and angst you in the same way as Shinji. Her outward appearance is different with it largely due to personality differences between the two; Shinji retreats inward and shuts people out, while Asuka does the opposite and obnoxiously boasts how she is the best and doesn't really need people, when all she wants is someone who can look past that cry for help and she that she is a scared, vulnerable teenage girl with huge responsibility and abandonment issues.I've never felt this way about a fictional character before so obviously I'm biased but rewatching the series now makes me want to reach in there and just hug her til she cries a la Good Will Hunting.
>>143216534
She said she's "A woman who does not bleed." She has no menstrual cycles. It's probably related to the fact that she's an angel/human hybrid. Like how Mules can't reproduce.
>>143216673
Oh, aww. That's sad. Fine, she can have a lab made child, with the suitor and her DNA mixed. If they can create ayy lmao war machines, then they can sure do this.
>>143216478
>Not positive as in, 'wow humanity's goin places.' Just positive for Shinji and Asuka's relationship. It took the death of the entire world as they knew it, but Shinji and Asuka were finally able to open up to each other and share intimacy. It was a rough as hell process and might or might not have led some good, but what's important is that after so much time spent getting close to each other but avoiding any kind of serious commitment out of fear they're finally able to get truly close.
>humanity has to be reduced to fish soup and the world turned into a sterile desert for Asuka to say that she's disgusted with Shinji
>>143216478
You're from evageeks, aren't you?
>>143216952
>>143216952
No, I'm not even that into anime. What gave you that impression? Was it the Daicon stuff?
>>143216585
>she really just needed someone to guide her and love her unconditionally.
You have so much to learn about the world and people if you actually think that. There are some people that are incapable of receiving or returning love in any meaningful way. You can't love them into changing into who you think they could be. They're already showing you what they are and you're just hoping that by teaching them to love that they'll return it. You're attracted to the loneliness you see in her because YOU are lonely and think that by curing her loneliness she'll cure yours.
You're naive.
>>143217033
>>143217132
I'm glad that something posted in this thread was able to get a positive reaction. Eva threads are really too hostile most of the time.
>>143216585
>she really just needed someone to guide her and love her unconditionally
That's every character in Eva and the point of Eva is that the characters don't have that luxury. None of the children in Shinji's class have mothers and only Asuka is a batshit cunt.
>>143217232
That's because even after 20 years people love to hate various aspects of Eva. I've yet to meet anyone who actually non-ironically enjoyed it.
>>143217317
Plenty of people genuinely love Eva.
>>143217317
I enjoy everything about Eva. I just enjoy some parts more than others. Both of You, Dance Like You Want to Win! was objectively the peak of the show.
>>143217119
Anno pls go
>>143216478
Didn't realize how risque it was in the thumbnail. And off the top of my head, I don't recall there being an Asuka version.
An anon above reminded me that Rei is a clone of Yui. And she apparently doesn't have a menstrual cycle. These points slipped my mind. It has been a good minute since I watched the original television series.
But I can accept Asuka as the final girl. I guess what Anno was intending to get across was that in reality women aren't usually the idealized versions men often want them to be. Which is a greater statement about life itself. We have to accept, adapt, and work to change what we can in the cruel world we live in. Shinji is overly passive and not assertive enough. He cowers away from any sort of trouble and allows people to walk over him. Both figuratively and literally. On the other hand, Asuka is overbearing and searches for worth in the wrong places. The state of the world aside, I view EoE's ending as a positive one. At least it has the potential to be. If both parties can work on their flaws and mature, then they can rebuild their world.
Nevertheless, I still prefer Rei. Just like the character more.
>>143217119
I'm sure that seven years later Asuka would still be a hot-blooded extravert and not some perfectly submissive otaku's waifu, but she still has a lot of development left before becoming a self-actualized person. It sounds like you're the one who has a lot to learn about the world, if you think that a 14-year-old's social development is already crystallized.
Most Asukafags are probably attracted to her energy and candor, they don't just see a sexy, damaged redhead that they can strip the features from and mold into their ultimate fantasy girl.
>>143214589
>be sympathetic to people who treat others without sympathy
This board is actually autistic. I get that the guy who robbed my house had a tough upbringing, but I don't care. He'd hardly be the only person to come from a tough background and they're not all responding to their circumstances by acting with complete disregard for other people.
And it's coy and dishonest to claim that someone's actions can be inexcusable but that they kind deserve your sympathy in kind. Asuka's upbringing is indeed sad, but any sympathy I might have felt for her goes out the window when that upbringing becomes the justification for bad behavior. It's not. Plain and simple.
>>143214168
my nigro
>>143217846
>people can't be crazy until they're adults
Right. Because until then it doesn't really count.
>>143218214
I don't know if you've lived long enough to realize this, but teenagers usually overcome their emotions problems as they grow older
>>143217119
To be honest I have a friend who went through that.
He basically fell in love with a broken person emotionally and psychologically (and she him) and they were both my roommates so it made it more awkward. She was more on the Shinji spectrum of self-hatred than Asuka but it was painful to watch for both of them.
She eventually got on the right meds again and it helped their relationship so much that they are actually buying an apartment together.But since I've never been in an actual relationship your last point still holds true. I would post a sad Pepe if I was on my normal computer right now....
>>143218591
Sure worked well for Eva adult characters.
>>143217991
>threats others without sympathy
that's just not true and I've given examples where she's been sympathetic to other characters, she felt sympathy for Kaji to give you yet another example
Asuka's behavior is not excused, everyone can see that and that's what makes her character not likeable, but I don't understand how can you not see past that and see that she can change and there's room for development and there is more than just "tsun" and not "dere" like someone said before. There are several examples of Asuka being sympathetic to others.
like I've said you dismiss every other aspect of her character but the mask she puts on when dealing with others.
Rei is cuck tier
Reminder
>>143218591
I don't know if you're old enough to understand that your mother killing herself is a traumatic experience that you'll likely carry around for life and not some teen angst that you'll outgrow.
Did you even watch the show?
>>143218954
growing up doesn't mean you have zero issues to deal with whatsoever
>>143210180
>Azuka
I am not into traps sorry.
>Rei
Too autistic but at lest doesn't have a dick.
>Misato
The best option.
>>143210420
There is literally nothing wrong with wanting to settle down with a beautiful, intelligent Aryan
>>143219062
>but I don't understand how can you not see past that and see that she can change and there's room for development
Because that is literally not how severe NPD works. Go do any minimal amount of research instead of touting your idealistic fantasy and you'll learn that the kind of change you're talking about is highly unlikely and that the traits that you seem to think are the more important ones pale in comparison to the more dominant aspects of her particular psychosis which are almost entirely negative.
It's like you just refuse to believe that there are people who don't have all that much good in them.
>>143219437
Rei is a toilet actually and Asuka is best girl
Only MGTOW cucks think Rei is better than Asuka.
>>143219457
>liking the worthless turd human transvestite with mommy issues
>instead of rei who is literally a goddess
>>143219334
Stop being willfully ignorant. The adults were carrying around issues that had been around since their formative years and the kids were just starting down the same path.
>>143219482
and it's like you refuse to believe people can change
you act like if Asuka was serial murderer tier, where does your hate come from?
>>143219329
You learn to deal with that shit. Shinji and Asuka learning to deal with their shit (and each other's) is part of the show.
It doesn't mean you don't have scars that stay with you for the rest of your life. But if you think that Asuka remains a petulant, hormonal teenage girl for her entire life you're genuinelybaka.
>>143210180
Asukafags are the cancer killing this board.
Literaly off yourself.
>>143219541
>liking used goods
top cuck
>>143219541
I like both desu but I prefer Asuka
#Proudtobe Reifag
>>143219541
>le toilet man
>literal goddess
kek
>>143219574
I don't hate her. I just understand what she is and know that people do not change in the way you're talking about. Where does your certainty come from when you've already conceded that you have no actual experience with this?
>>143219634
>I love toilets in my cuckshed
>>143210180
Well good, that means I can be cryo frozen and wake up in a world of only women and I can fuck like jackrabbits
>>143219483
>Girl
>>143219580
>You learn to deal with that shit.
Not everyone does. And most really screwed up adults were already well on their way to getting there in adolescence. Who knows how Asuka turns out, but you'd have to be blind to not see that she absolutely has issues that are in no way a productive of puberty and that she may or may not cope with as time goes on.
>>143219859
Rei is a toilet seat
>>143219549
see >>143219580
The kids are full of hormones and just learning for the first time how much neurosis, loneliness, and pain are parts of life. The adults still deal with those problems, but they obviously handle it better than the kids do.
>>143219725
so no one with NDP can change? everyone with mental disorders are hopeless?I realized I wasn't so hopeless after years of therapy
>>143219942
>The adults still deal with those problems, but they obviously handle it better than the kids do.
Did you miss the part where Ikari was ending the world to get back with his wife? How about the part where Ritsuko is boning the same man as her mom and suicidal? Misato is the only one even remotely resembling healthy coping mechanisms.
>>143220044
No I said it was highly unlikely. >>143219482
>>143220145
what way do you think I was saying she would change?
for me she can become a better person and deal with others in a better way, not leaving everything behind and becoming lovely and cute
>>143219334
Keep moving goalposts please.
>>143219892
Yes I know and Azuka as a dick what is your point?
>>143219873
Whatever emotional problems she has are hugely exacerbated by puberty. I saw my own sister go through a lot of the same shit when she was 13-14. At any rate, I think the end of EoE shows that there is some hope that Shinji and Asuka want to get over their problems, since they stick around. But I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
>>143220091
Ritsuko and Misato never flip out on the scale of Shinji and Asuka as far as I can remember. I don't even know where to start with Gendo, but he's definitely not suffering from teenage emotions problems. The point I have been trying to make is that Asuka is a 14-year-old and she will most likely grow into a relatively functional adult like most emotionally fraught teenagers do. She will probably have a lot of sadness to deal with too, but people act like adult Asuka is just going to be teen bitchqueen Asuka with bigger tits.
>>143220342
If shifting from "teenagers get over their problems" to "teenagers mostly get over their problems, but there are still problems" is a serious flaw in my argument then please explain why
>>143220335
That's exactly what I'm saying is unlikely to change. Her basic brain function revolves around evaluating other people in terms of their utility to fill her ego needs. She hates Rei because she doesn't pay her any mind, she's threatened by Misato because she's a threat to the attention she gets from Kaji, she's ambivalent towards Shinji because he's a ready source of praise but she knows its disingenuous because it's more about his obsessive need to avoid conflict than any real admiration for her.
Everyone has their quiet obsession. Some mental fixation or state that is their default mode. That place that your mind automatically returns to when it doesn't have other sthings to keep it occupied and distracted. Some people lie in bed at the end of the day when they're alone with their thoughts and fixate on how alone they are, some fixate on tasks they need to accomplish, some fixate on other people, whatever. My point is that it reflects your most deeply ingrained basic mental programming. It tends not to really go anywhere. You learn how to deal with it better, how to give it more or less attention, but by a certain age its pretty firmly established. And for Asuka, who has an extremely precarious sense of self-esteem, it's a constant fixation on securing sources of ego supply. That means viewing people and situations strictly in terms of "nothing and no one has a purpose if it isn't there to better my condition. That basic prevailing mindset can be worked around, but it doesn't really change.
>>143211232
This.
I would literally lick her asshole just so she feels even more superior to me than she already does.
Will there ever be another Eva thread that isn't Asuka vs. Rei or "What the fuck did I just watch" ever again?Rei is better, anyway
>>143221089
Best ass.
>>143221027
She was traumatized as a small child. The issue long preceded what we actually see in the show and is likely to prevail afterwards. Stop trying to turn this into some hormonal "I'LL STAY OUT TILL 11 IF I WANT TO!" teenage fit and see it for what it is.
>Ritsuko and Misato never flip out on the scale of Shinji and Asuka as far as I can remember.
You don't even remember the show and I literally just explained their situations. Stop talking now.
>>143221191
when 4.0 comes out and Anno death threats become real
>>143221027
>please explain why
Teenagers have their problems but Asuka is on a completely different level, Asuka is a fucking mess, the kind that end up even more fucked up than the already fucked up adults from Eva who can't move on from the problems they had as kids.
>>143221265
I wanna sniff.
>Actually preferring asuka or rei
everyone knows the real best girl is Misato.
>>143221724
>old and busted used goods
sasuga
>>143221724
>Shinji could have fucked her but was to much of a pussy
>>143221279
There's no way that Asuka was this out of control before she turned 13 or 14. I've seen my own sister go through this shit and I've had my own adolescent problems. We both still have baggage but we don't act like children about it anymore. Stop trying to act like human personalities are crystallized at 14. Seeing your mom go crazy and kill herself when you're a kid is definitely horrific, but it only turns you into a fucked up monster for life if you believe that Hollywood supervillains are a realistic portrayal of psychology.
>You don't even remember the show and I literally just explained their situations.
I was just allowing for the possibility that I totally forgot something really fucked up one of them did, and I still can't think of anything.
>Stop talking now.
That's pretty autistic of you
