Is Nanoha dead at long last, /a/?
Yes and alsololis R dead.
Vivid's still getting new chapters every month. Plus tons of doujins are still coming out.
>>143144066
Letting A1 animate Vivid was a mistake. They can only handle self-insert shit like SAO and DanMachi these days.
>>143142887
Yes.
Vivid was a mistake.
Let's just take a break.
>>143145399
>They can only handle self-insert shit
I thought I was supposed to self-insert as Vivio.
>>143146714
[pun about having sex with Vivio]
Spinoff focused on vita being cute when?
>>143146714
I would really self-insert into most if not all of the Vivids. With the exceptions of few like Micaiah, Nove (or her non-Cinque sisters) and Victoria, it would need few-to-several years of waiting, though.
![[Leopard-Raws] Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha Vivid - 10 RAW (MBS 1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4_snapshot_10.48_[2015.08.08_02.15.00].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/IU57KwB.jpg "[Leopard-Raws] Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha Vivid - 10 RAW (MBS 1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4_snapshot_10.48_[2015.08.08_02.15.00].jpg")
![[Leopard-Raws] Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha Vivid - 09 RAW (MBS 1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4_snapshot_00.54_[2015.08.07_22.27.12].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PSZMay0.jpg "[Leopard-Raws] Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha Vivid - 09 RAW (MBS 1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4_snapshot_00.54_[2015.08.07_22.27.12].jpg")
Most of them look like they already have their fated girlfriends though.
![[Leopard-Raws] Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha Vivid - 10 RAW (MBS 1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4_snapshot_06.26_[2015.08.08_00.21.05].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kMy1js0.jpg "[Leopard-Raws] Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha Vivid - 10 RAW (MBS 1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4_snapshot_06.26_[2015.08.08_00.21.05].jpg")
Someslutsyoung ladies even have multiple. Hamlet was on to something when he sent Ophelia to monastery.
>>143142887
You seriously thought an anime lasts forever
>>143144066
Whatever happened with the shitty AU spinoff and with Original Chronicle, tho
>>143148707
Cashed in on, finished.
>>143146120
>Vivid was a mistake.
Everything post-StrikerS has been a big mistake.
>>143143102
I never would have guessed this actually becomes true back 7 years ago.
>>143148823
*post-A's
>>143146971
Only if it explores her feelings as a mature woman rarely taken seriously because of her appearance.
>>143146971
Cute!
>>143149746
>>143150301
I really wonder if Vita secretly envies the kiddos their belkan NICE BODY otona-modo techniques. I can totally see her having wild sex with Hayate once she gets such too.
>>143147682
>monastery
nunnery
>>143150690
What would you use this technique for?Besides lowcost orgies
>>143150464
I know I wouldn't. Tits are for tryhards.
>>143150833
>Tits are for Hayate.
Fixed.
>>143150786
Practically, they should be able to handle most low-difficulty jobs, like guarding, searching for stuff, dancing, controlling traffic, generally covering surface area with eyes, prostitution, etc. Since personnel are the most expensive part of an operation, she could make a real impact on a limited budget (money-wise or manpower-wise).
Doesn't seem like it has many combat applications though, except to confuse people.
>>143150959
Hayate confirmed for shit taste.
>>143150464
>I can totally see her having wild sex with Hayate once she gets such too.
Why the fuck wait until that?
Also lolis are much hotter, if anything, that's what I've learned from Nanoha.
>>143151683
>>143151924
How new are you guys to not know that Hayate is hugely into boobs?
She is even a canon groper.
>>143148641
>Fate's subtle nipple imprint
>barely-there cameltoe on Vivio
this is my fetish
>>143142887
Nanoha is dead like Yukarin
>>143152789
But she has several shows lined up for next season and was in some this season.
![[anon] Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha Vivid - 07 [10DC519B].mkv_snapshot_12.58_[2015.05.24_03.34.02].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/fVXKoCV.jpg "[anon] Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha Vivid - 07 [10DC519B].mkv_snapshot_12.58_[2015.05.24_03.34.02].jpg")
>>143148735
>TFW your best friend doesn't nonchalantly touch your inner thigh.
>>Liking Nanoha better than Dog Days
>>143153736
Looks like shit desu
>>143153778
Furry but not yuri.
>>143153970
>not yuri
So it's shit right?
>>143153970
You're making it sound like those are positives.
>>143154042
And you are making it sound like they are not.
>>143154118
>muh doggirls
>muh heterosexuality
fuck off tsuzuki
>>143142887
I don't think Nanoha is going to truly die anytime soon.
Like, it's been six years since the Haruhi movie, the last relevant Haruhi anything, and I'm still perfectly willing to fap to Haruhi doujins.
Nanoha's going to be the same.
>>143152144
Does anybody have that picture (it looked a bit like from Battle of Aces, but it is not from it) where Hayate stands between Signum and Shamal and simultaneously touches their breasts?
I tried googling it but somehow it doesn't want to surface.
>>143154519
I only found this version but that looks cropped.
>>143154519
yagami_hayate
breast_grab
there you go
>>143153736
>not liking both equally
>>143154673
Ah great, that worked. I think I tried groping or some other tag.
>>143153736
Fuck off with that shota shit.
Also
>no good Kuberu or other loli fanservice
It can burn.
It's probably a dead animation but Vivid seems to be going steadily. It's definitely dead in the West though. NeverthelessFate still a cute.
>>143142887
Yukarin is forty years old, Anon.
It's time to let it go.
>>143157008
Fate stopped being a cute when she became an old hag. Same with Nanoha.
>>143150786
You know shit's serious when you're own clone tells you to stop cloning.
>>143150962
>prostitution
>>143157070
Blasphemous talk! Fate is always a cute. I agree about Nanoha though.She became beautiful.
>>143142887
Isn't there a new movie in production?
>>143157305
Vaporware.
>>143157305
There was.
>>143157305
>believing that shit
Can we stop acting like this is still happening? I swear it was just a joke.
>>143157305
It's in limbo hell the power and love of Nana will save this franchise.
>>143157598
She has symphogear to power her lesbian magical girl media empire.
>>143157658
All Symphogear needs is Yukarin. Any Yukarin Symphogay character would have a better chance of getting the happy end that Hilda deserved.
>>143157008
Hnng, I'm almost hungrier for Vivid Life than for Vivid proper at times.
>>143157070
Shush, you.
>Nanoha was created by Wanko to Kurasou devs
Welp, I never knew that. Too bad Nanoha only have like 2 lewd cgs in her spinoff VN.
>>143157658
How awesome Nana joins part of the new Mai Hime series?
Nanoha
Mai Hime
Symphogear
Cross Ange
Nana blessings touch onto something more beautiful
![Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha ViVid - 02 [416DD50A].mkv_snapshot_11.04_[2015.04.13_09.42.51].png](https://i.imgur.com/3iL95RJ.jpg "Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha ViVid - 02 [416DD50A].mkv_snapshot_11.04_[2015.04.13_09.42.51].png")
Why did this show look so bad?
![[Leopard-Raws] Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha Vivid - 10 RAW (MBS 1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4_snapshot_20.06_[2015.06.08_02.44.54].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/t1kxkEX.jpg "[Leopard-Raws] Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha Vivid - 10 RAW (MBS 1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4_snapshot_20.06_[2015.06.08_02.44.54].jpg")
>>143158223
That's still from the good episodes. Check 6-8 for quarity.
Pic semi-related.
>>143158223
See if A-1 cares for anything that isn't full on casualfag.
Not to mention, they don't do lolicon, so they cut down even that aspect of the manga. Horrible.
>>143158487
>muh heterochromia
Man do I really hate Vivid.
![Mahou_Shoujo_Lyrical_Nanoha_StrikerS_15_DVD[H264][3ADB5E3A].mkv_snapshot_11.17_[2015.04.05_20.52.56].png](https://i.imgur.com/QyQn9SS.jpg "Mahou_Shoujo_Lyrical_Nanoha_StrikerS_15_DVD[H264][3ADB5E3A].mkv_snapshot_11.17_[2015.04.05_20.52.56].png")
>>143158638
But it's cute
>>143158450
>those eyes
>poor animation
what happened, why isn't Seven Arcs not animating this
>>143158732
Okay, I changed my mind.I'm lying, it still looks awful.What was even the point of doing it, anyway. If Vivio's eyes were blue and red then I'd be able to see what they were going for, but they're green and red and I don't understand it.
>>143158812
Vivio's main problem is that she goes adult after transforming.
StrikerS was already full of questionable decisions but it seems like they were bent on killing the series after it, everything sans the movies was wrong.
>>143158812
In nipponese, until recently they didn't have separate words for green and blue. So it might still be going for that.
>>143158812
Blue and green is weird. I've seen that in some eroge and it just doesn't seem right.
The reason Vivio is boatlights is simple, I think.
>>143158995
That has nothing to do with what I was saying, though.
Still, I do agree with you 100%. StrikerS is hot smelly garbage and Vivid and FORCE are both embarrassing and I don't think that's a coincidence. And the "adult mode" shit is stupid, yes.
>>143159870
Yeah but she was already shit from the start, the eyes are just icing on the shitcake.
Nanoha doesn't seem like a particular series to write successfully, it must have taken some skill to shit things this hard.
>>143160223
Particularly hard*
![[Leopard-Raws] Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha Vivid - 01 RAW (MBS 1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4_snapshot_10.57_[2015.04.05_02.18.02].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/g6H5Wfl.jpg "[Leopard-Raws] Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha Vivid - 01 RAW (MBS 1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4_snapshot_10.57_[2015.04.05_02.18.02].jpg")
>>143158732
>>143158487
Einhart's color choice makes it look much better than Vivio's, particularly with the style Vivid anime uses. I guess they gave it more thought than when Vivio was initially made up to appear in StrikerS.
![[Leopard-Raws] Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha Vivid - 04 RAW (MBS 1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4_snapshot_20.03_[2015.04.25_15.26.42].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Qr49jGJ.jpg "[Leopard-Raws] Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha Vivid - 04 RAW (MBS 1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4_snapshot_20.03_[2015.04.25_15.26.42].jpg")
She's probably the one the A1 design/Style works best for.
>>143143102
The prophecy became true.
Nanoha is really the last thing in anime I care about. Once it ends, so will my time on this board.
Has Movie 3 even entered production? I want to see Hayate again.
>>143158812
>What was even the point of doing it, anyway.
Well, heterochromia is supposedly the sign of a belkan royalty so yeah.
>>143142887
They're still alive.In my heart
>>143162375
It wasn't prophecy, it was a peculiar kind of shitposting.
It just happens the unreasonable has happened.
Signum best girl
>>143148981
I liked the StrikerS angle. They show there's this inter-dimensional military force that calls itself just, the protectors. Then shows they have control issues, corruption etc. Aging them up to something that could deal with the subject matter (in a bureaucratic sense/world) worked.
What it did badly was meh villains (numbers) and bloating a cast we hadn't finished exploring. Those problems only expanded with the manga series.
What it needed was their teen years, explore some background lore in a calmer situation. Hayate/book was a good lead into that, then go into the years they join the military outright, the whole subjecting themselves to limiters etc.
Throw in a few episodes of gay and I'd be set. With the endless gay tease the manga do, they should have just gone for it and made it canon as well.
>>143164241
Approved by all these people.
>>143164241
If we only count the living, maybe
>>143169080
Why not both?
>>143167199
Agreed.
>Shamal: hey guys, check out who we found
>Signum: Hello
>Teana: you're okay! How are you even here?
>Signum: what do you mean?
>Teana: i mean, i thought you got bea-
>Vita: Nope. Never happened.
>Teana: But-
>Vita: NOPE! Everything is fine! Signum is FINE! Nothing bad ever happened. EVER.
>Everyone: ...
>Zafira: So, you guys want to keep doing comedy segments?
>Signum: that could be fun
>>143172932
Signum a shit
a SHIT
>>143146714
wew, time to watch vivid
>>143173056
anon a shit
>>143142887
The third movie will fix everything, right? It'll come out someday, you'll see! It'll make everything better and erase StrikerS from existence! Then we can start fresh and do Nanoha right.
>>143146714
From which chapter is this?
>>143173215
>erase StrikerS from existence! Then we can start fresh and do Nanoha right
Just no to Disney-style meddling.
>>143142887
To be so dead, I'm surprised it still sells merchandise, figurines are still getting released and anons keep making threads about it.
>143173143
That's Mekimeki, not Vivid.
>>143173215
>and erase StrikerS from existence!
Oh boy, I wish that'd happen. I'd track every single person involved in the movie and give them all blowjobs for free if that happened.
>>143173274
It's not from Vivid, of course
http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/my_home_my_love
>>143173285
I don't how that happened, meant for >>143173143 and for >>143173274 since I'm at it.
>>143173327
Damn.
>>143168434
>>143168480
>Nanoha in Bardiche's jacket
>>143173285
>>143146714
>Mekimeki will never draw NanoFate doujin again
>Tokoharu will never draw NanoFate doujin again
>there will never be a 3rd movie or 4th season
It's like my soul is being crushed.
>>143173461
>or 4th season
you mean vivid?
>>143148480
Typical OL in her apartment.
Seriously, their apartments are usually just big enough for a bed, a shower, and a toilet.
Most of the OLs I dated used hot plates and microwaves.
>>143173215
>erase StrikerS from existence
StrikerS had some good ideas, it just needed to be pushed back a little and be built up.
Show us Nanoha and co's rise in the TSAB's ranks in their teens, them getting involved in the politics and whatnot as various departments try to scout them out, some being jelly that a few kids were better than them, stuff like that.
As they got older, they learned more about the TSAB's internal conflicts between each departments as they try to get more budget/talented personnel, etc.
Then throw StrikerS at us after all of that is established, with Hayate using her connections to big shots like Chrono and the church to start Section 6 and grab the Forwards despite the competition from the other departments when it comes to talented people, all that stuff.
>>143173521
Of course not.
>>143173552
That still doesn't excuse how shit StrikerS was. Even if you justify the setting and military themes, that still won't make up for using arbitrary limiters as an excuse to train up the newshits that nobody likes.
>>143173215
StrikerS itself is an good series. It's main problem was that it needed something in between to justify its existence. If we had middle school Nanoha none of this would be an issue.
>>143173730
>StrikerS itself is an good series
I'd be more inclined to believe you if you could actually speak English.Actually I wouldn't. No excuse can make StrikerS not shit.
>>143173552
Doesn't sound very Nanoha-ish to me to be honest. They just needed to trim all the fat and use the extra time to develop the characters properly.
And even then it would have been pretty shit because what the fuck man, I wanted to see Nanoha and Fate all over each other and kicking ass, who the fuck are these new people and who asked for them.
>>143173880
Personally, I enjoyed the worldbuilding setup in the first half. We got to see Nanoha in a different way from before, and all the characters played off well from each other. It even has two of the best moments in the franchise (specifically Vita). That said, the second half has a lot of fights but very little substance. If it had maybe 12 more episodes it could have been pulled off more gracefully. I hope the third movie (if it ever happens) comes out right after the events of As.
>>143173327
LOL.
This was pure gold!
>>143174118
>I hope the third movie (if it ever happens) comes out right after the events of As.
I remember reading it was supposed to be based on the events of Battle of Aces and Gears of Destiny (the PSP games). Those took place shortly after A's.
>>143174260
All MekiMekis are very good.
>>143174260
>LOL
It is true that Mekimeki may be god, but fuck off.
>>143173685
>Using the setting properly to explain an action done because of something specific in the setting
>shit
The problem with Nanoha as it went on was how they failed to capitalise on the setting, and they kept throwing in new characters without using the previously added ones to their full potential.
In our hypothetical rewrite, we have something in-between StrikerS and A's to shift the show to a sci-fi/political theme, show more of Nanoha and co's adventures(and maybe even do any character development from the main trio, especially for Nanoha and that one incident) and expand on the setting.
We could have Caro and Erio appearing much earlier during Fate's enforcer work(As mentioned in flashbacks and the manga) in this in-between season. Then StrikerS comes in proper.
>>143173904
>use the extra time to develop the characters properly.
They could finish off Nanoha's character development in our hypothetical in-between season with the incident that nearly crippled her, then start developing the Forwards in StrikerS.
Hayate could get some development early on(For instance, Hayate being regarded as a criminal by some people, that could have been interesting and it would lead to StrikerS' politics as well), Fate could get some as well though I feel that having Erio and Caro to finish off Fate's character development fits her character's theme more.
>>143173327
cute as fuck.
>>143174118
Strikers needs a recut.
>>143173531
>Nanoha StrikerS is underrated serious social commentary.
>>143174343
Got to take them as comedy/parody though, because they are usually out of character for laughs purposes.
>>143174262
Where? I don't recall any details being publicized. So that was probably just fan theory, and IMHO it makes little sense.
>>143174400
Literally the only reason for the limiters was to shoehorn the newshits into being useful. The whole plot would have been over much sooner if Nanoha, Fate, and Hayate had handled things on their own. If you'll excuse the /v/ example, it's about as justified as Samus not using her suit's abilities in Other M because some guy told her not to.
>>143174400
Sounds like a ton of effort for something that could be done by simply starting over from A's and not fucking up.
Although I suppose I'm really biased here since I hate StrikerS with all of my soul.
>>143174827
StrikerS is inferior compared to A's. But it's still a good idea.
It's basically prime fanfiction fuel with the interesting setting they're giving us and then squander on training arcs and cast bloat.
>>143173461
You forget abot vivid BD release
>>143174788
>Where?
Can't find it now. I guess I dreamed it or something.
What a good dream that must have been, though.
![[Leopard-Raws] Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha Vivid - 04 RAW (MBS 1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4_snapshot_15.40_[2015.04.25_15.16.34].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/tWgMUDp.jpg "[Leopard-Raws] Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha Vivid - 04 RAW (MBS 1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4_snapshot_15.40_[2015.04.25_15.16.34].jpg")
If they replaced some shit animation in the mid-eps (pic unrelated), BDs would be nice.
Vivid wasn't probably the greatest source for an adaptation, but if they already tried it, the fucks better finish it with S2. The Einhart-Vivio fight as the end would work, although the motivation behind that and the explanation that it works to straighten up Einhart and help her figure out her issues was bullshit and I don't think anybody sees it as making sense.
Adults with twin tails are just weird.
Nanoha needs to keep her side tail in magic girl form.
An interquel movie leading to a retcon / reboot continuity would definitely be the fastest route to unfucking the series.
Why couldn't Vivid just have done the Nanoha and Fate: The Next Generation thing everyone was expecting it to and been good?
>>143175677
because if Nanoha were still decent then nobody would have given two fucks about Dog Days and we can't have that, now can we
>>143173056
Pretty lazy and uninspired bait. Clearly you don't feel that way.
>>143177863
Doujin where Agito tribs Rein II in Hayate's bag, fucking where?!!
>>143175677
>reboot
No.
>>143178191
Could be a reboot where it's all the same except StrikerS and onwards never happened.
I'd pay for it.
>>143175176
Almost any anime is inferior compared to As. A's is tightly plotted, has good characterization and good action scenes. In terms of story structure, the only other mahou shoujo anime that compares to it isMadoka.It's not really fair to hold StrikerS to that standard. Instead, it would be better to hold it to the first season, which shares many of its problems.
Dead and irrelevant franchise. Symphogear does everything it does and better. It was never good in the first place, it was just amazing action scenes tied together by an average plot with generic characters. It's no longer needed, we have other things.
>>143178306
reboot brings nothing to franchise table
reboot is just a tool for the creativity block that would hold the franchise down.
I feel like the 1st and 2nd Nanoha were movie comp done better.
>>143178399
>Madoka
I'd say Princess Tutu is superior in every category to both series you mentioned, except maybe gor the lack of lesbians, but that alone can be considered a small twist in the formula on its own.
>>143178442
Symphogear is not gay enough yet.
>>143178442
I like symphogear, but it's not the same.
>>143178399
>the only other mahou shoujo anime that compares to it isMadoka
Come anon, don't do this. Nanoha A's better than Madoka.
But really, there are other mahou shoujos that are as good and even better than A's, see Princess Tutu for example.
>>143178399
1st season didn't have castbloat
>>143175176
>StrikerS is inferior compared to A's.
You make it sound like that's a hard thing to do. I may be in the minority but I've seen very few anime in the same level as A's, and none above it. Like the other anon said, it's not fair at all to use it to compare against... well, most any anime, really.
>>143178442
oh yeah symphogear is really good bro
>muh dadAnd if it wasn't for LAST ACTION HERO, G and GX would have fuck-all of value to them.
What do you think Nanoha and Fates first kiss was like? Playful and spur of the moment, or passionate and romantic.
>>143178622
>>143178639
I'm not saying that Madoka is better. Both are tightly written stories. Princess Tutu is one of my favorite anime, but it's story is not nearly as well knotted (there are many eps in the middle that cause the series to drag). In comparison, both Madoka and As don't have that sort of fluff.
>>143178670
It didn't have castbloat, but it did have about 3 episodes that were complete filler (think the girl that turns into a tree) and a pretty anticlimactic ending. There is definitely castbloat in StrikerS, and it should have had more episodes/a prior season.
>>143178442
GX was fucking shit.
>>143178978
>the episode where Nanoha resolves to be the hero the world needs because people will die otherwise and she wants to feel helpful
>fillerI may be misremembering how that one episode went down, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't filler. Also I'd like to hear about the other two episodes you mentioned that were filler because nothing comes to mind.
>>143178978
>pretty anticlimactic ending
I think you are misunderstanding. IMHO it is very well written, especially with the delayed real finale which is the ribbons. At first sight, it is a banal event, but when you watch it, you realize it is great and how the pacing of the last ep is very smart. The last episode is better than the one in As where they tries to use similar formula, but I guess second try is not the same thing.
>>143178569
>reboot brings nothing to franchise table
Except for cutting away all of the abortive, conflicting and confused themes and plot threads smothering the series in its bed and get back to the basic ideas that made it actually work in the first place before they decided to add hookers and blackjack.
The current state of the Nanoha franchise is pretty much a textbook example of when to reboot.
>>143179143
>textbook example of when to reboot
Reboots are universally shit and stupid idea, IMHO.
>>143178852
Naive and innocent, and much before the epilogue of A's.
>>143179109
>the episode where Nanoha resolves to be the hero the world needs because people will die otherwise and she wants to feel helpful
The problem I have with that episode is that Nanoha essentially coming to the end of this arc of 'I want to be helpful' within like two episodes of the start. That leaves Nanoha as essentially a flat character for the rest of the season, with all the interesting characterization happening around her. The movie handled her characterization better iirc, where we see her full drive come out during her fight with Fate.To be honest, I'm having trouble recalling exact details of the other episodes that felt like filler, so you could chalk it up to me having insufficient proof. Iirc, there is another episode before they launch there attack on Fate's mom's compound that felt overly long.
>>143179129
It is true that the friendship was the real end to the first season, but I always felt that Fate's mom just falling through the floor was a bit ridiculous. Maybe I'm just more impressed with how the 1st movie handled things.
>>143179109
Not the same anon, but the first episodes were basically episodic gotta catch 'em all stories with just enough development to prepare us for the actual main story arc. A's didn't have to introduce us to the setting again so it cut straight to the quick. Both seasons had great, memorable endings though.
>>143178978
Not really, every Tutu episode was actually needed for it to work (except, arguably, the second), take one away and you will see it falls apart.
It also was of 24 episodes contrary to Nanoha 13 episodes, that's obviously means it can handle more things. It also had superb art and music direction you rarely see in anime.
The most common thing Nanoha A's and Madoka have is being of no more than one season. I wouldn't even call Madoka a series that never drags considering Mimi stuff was of little overall importance in comparison to everything else and took half of the series to resolve.
I love Nanoha, specially A's, and I do think it is one of the most tightly written series I have seen, but don't think it is the absolute best. There are others than can compete and even win against A's.
>>143179175
There's not much point continuing this if all you're going to do is ignore my reasoning and keep blindly asserting your generalization.
Again, the franchise is dying because it's become unwieldy and directionless. It needs to regain its focus, and there's simply too many meandering plot threads and inconsistent ideas across the dozens of spinoffs and sequels for that to be possible while still attempting to maintain continuity. The franchise as it stands is failing; write off what needs to be written off and get it back on something resembling a track, don't make a hopeless effort to save everything that will inevitably just doom it all further.
>>143179476
You think they should have fought or maybe kill Precia? I think it would be either less powerful, or maybe similarly dramatic, but either too edgy, or leaving nasty aftertaste. Because how do you think would Fate feel?
I think how it was handled was both convenient and well written. You don't have to have fight with every villain/boss to have good story/climax.
>>143178564
I miss the golden days of fansubbing
Is it odd that I thought StrikerS was excellent? I mean I can see all the writing flaws, character bloat and missed potential but I feel like the series wouldn't be remembered nearly as widely without the character development and complete genre overhaul that it brought with it.
Maybe it's just that I really like the idea of expanding out what started as a simple Magical Girl show into massive scale Sci-Fi while still being inherently a Magical Girl Anime.
So sure, StrikerS could have been better, but that's no reason to completely scrap it like most of the thread is suggesting.
>>143179476
That's an agreeable complaint with that episode, has nothing to do with it being filler, though.
>>143179509
>but the first episodes were basically episodic gotta catch 'em all stories
That's true, they're still not really filler since the plot was being setup all the while and there were explanations given to Nanoha's powers and Yuuno's origins and stuff.
>>143179743
>Is it odd that I thought StrikerS was excellent?
Yes.
>>143179609
Reboot would just cause mess.
Remakes are something that should be left to *adaptations* (of books for example), where only the secondary thing get scrapped/replaced/remade, but the original is left in its undisputed standing.
Maybe in some few cases when it is the original author trying to do his story once more with more experience, it could end well.
But in reality, i think the motivation would be just money and there is more risks than there is potential for something good to be created.
>>143179778
A bigger mess than the franchise already is?
>>143179922
Yes.
>>143179922
The mess is actually not that big. Keep Vivid going and just make a new manga with Nanoha that tells the main story.
>>143179583
>Not really, every Tutu episode was actually needed for it to work
The main problem I have with the middle chapters of Tutu is that they are obviously cut into separate episodes that makes the story feel more clunky (this is mostly due to the last half being cut into 10-11 minute episodes that are restitched together). The first half of an episode would have random jokes involving neko-sensei and the ballet group, while the second half would have plot elements. Once I noticed it, that sort of arbitrary cut made those episodes feel more artificial to me (granted the end doesn't really have these problems).
>The most common thing Nanoha A's and Madoka have is being of no more than one season
While both As and Madoka are very different stories, they are both very tightly plotted. I'm not sure which character you mean by Mimi (do you mean Mami?) but every character has a purpose, you learn more about the world in each. Mami's main importance is to shock the audience and tell the tone of the series, which I believe generally works well.
>There are others than can compete and even win against A's
I completely agree. Honestly, I find Tutu better than As, but believe it has some faults As doesn't have.
>>143179993
Not him, but I really doubt it. I mean, how many times have they told the story of the first season again? And it's different each time too.
>>143179922
Nothing needs to be deleted (Except Force) Any problems that StrikerS brought up are only inherent to Strikers and the character bloat can be fixed by just ignoring any characters who aren't interesting.
A decent new Anime series would fix a lot of problems and the best way they can do that right now is building a decent bridge between A's and StrikerS and then continuing from StrikerS.
So basically all we need is a competent writer who can recognise where the series needs patching up, and realises it's actual strong points.
>>143180028
It wouldn't even be a mess if you didn't.
Nanoha(Fate just kept living normally and there were no end-of-the-world-events after that.
They got a daughter which is used in a cheezy light-hearted/sol spinoff.
There is nothing messy about that. Author has right to let characters have retirement, too, instead constant fighting forever. And to walk out of a story or ending it, too.
>>143180202
You do remember Force exists, right?
>>143179630
>You think they should have fought or maybe kill Precia?
The alternative would be for Fate to save her mother from her obsession with Alicia. Then, for the rest of the series, we would end up with Precia, the helpful matron.
I find the original ending better though. It shows, that some people can be saved (Fate) and others not (Precia).
>>143179759
>they're still not really filler
True, but they still feel "fillery" and there's not much going for them besides the introductory stuff. It's not that apparent while watching it for the first time, but while rewatching it, I just couldn't wait for Fate to finally show up. The Movie did a better job with it, I think, though I still have to rewatch it, so my memory may play tricks on me.
>>143180323
What's that?
>>143179778
>Reboot would just cause mess.
How on earth could it possibly cause mess? The entire point is to write off the parts of the series that make it a mess as sackcloth and ashes and restart from before they broke it.
>>143180202
The author has the "right" to do anything. If he wants to just kill the series and never touch it again, he can and there's nothing anyone here can do about it. That's not what we're talking about. The problem is that those author choices has resulted in Nanoha being in a death spiral for years and it's clear that nobody has any idea how to fix it. I kind of doubt "just keep on with what they're already doing" is the grand solution we're all looking for.
>>143180046
I didn't really think Tutu had that problem to be honest, it is standard for the episodic nature Tutu had. I found surprising that it manage to make every episodes essential despite being episodic like most mahou shoujos.
>which character you mean by Mimi
Sorry, I meant Miki, Sayaka Miki. The stuff with her not-boyfriend took way too long.
>>143178399
>Almost any anime is inferior compared to As
>In terms of story structure, the only other mahou shoujo anime that compares to it is Madoka.
The most outlandish things I've read all day. Thanks for the laugh and confusion.
>>143180457
>opinions
>>143179630
> You don't have to have fight with every villain/boss to have good story/climax
That's true. I think the 'convenient' aspect bugs me a bit.
>>143179759
>That's an agreeable complaint with that episode, has nothing to do with it being filler, though
That's true. Maybe a better word to use than 'filler' is clunky? (I realize i'm moving the goalposts a bit). That said, I like both the First Season and StrikerS, but enjoyed StrikerS more due to its worldbuilding in the first half. StrikerS has a lot of clunky writing as well, and can mostly be chalked up to preference.
>>143179743
I think StrikerS is much better appreciated on a rewatch. I remember being disappointed by the various choices when I first saw it, which definitely affected my outlook. StrikerS really should have been a fourth season.
>>143180323
Oh, right.
Okay, just change it to "and they had peace after nuking Hades and with Huckebeins tragically dying in the incidentsorry for grudge, Fate stopped working abroad and stayed around home after that until Nanoha impregnated her with SLB in training battle."
>>143180453
>Sorry, I meant Miki, Sayaka Miki. The stuff with her not-boyfriend took way too long.
But it was an important part of the story. Mami's death was only a warning that being meguca can be suffering, but you could still argue that it's worth it for all the good she does. Miki witching out proved that it's not necessarily the case.
>>143180604
The baby had grown twintails when she was born and glowing pink eyes.
>>143155108
>Fuck off with that shota shit.
They still have Hina. Or Yuki.
I never bothered to start Force. Should I even try?
>>143180765
No.
>>143180457
I'm not saying that As is the best thing in existence or the best thing ever written. The majority of anime either has a weak/incomprehensible plot, poorly used characters or long stretchs of dull moments somewhere in its writing. It's very hard to write a story that stays consistently balanced between plot/characters/action. A's has this balance, and while it doesn't really have much thematically other than 'power of friendship' that balance is still miles ahead of most other anime, and keeps the story entertaining. I'd recommend a rewatch to see what I mean.
>>143180765
Why not, aren't you curious at all? It won't take more than few hours. I mean, we read all sorts of varying-quality doujins, so why not a controversial official work. doesn't harm knowing it.
>Ace Combat with the strict, ace flight instructor Takamachi
>>143180864
>I'd recommend a rewatch to see what I mean.
I've rewatched it twice. It's decent, that's about it.
>>143180919
Where would one put the yuri, tho
>>143179743
I liked the idea of StrikerS, but the reality never quite lived up to it. The timeskip and setting change were good, but the plot was a disorganized mess that was aggravated the introduction of so many new characters.
>>143180808
>>143180904
Well then I guess I'll leave it up to chance.
If when I wake up this thread is still here, I'll give it a shot and maybe even post my reactions.
>>143180973
It features realistic punishment system where you can get barred from flights if you're flying too recklessly.
Then you have to take make-up lessons (read: hot lesbian intercourse) with instructor Takamachi
>>143181000
I guess one of the main things everyone can agree on is that the franchise has way too many characters at this point.
All we need is a competent writer. We know it can be done, just look at the doujins.
Nice trips btw.
Gotta say that while I don't oppose what Vivid does and I don't absolutely demand drama, having some serious plot around Einhart/some select Vivids (the belkans?) would be nice.
>>143181099
Agreed. They should kill off everyone introduced after A's with the possible exception of Vivio.
>>143181095
No. Nanoha is for Feito-chan only.
>>143181099
>I guess one of the main things everyone can agree on is that the franchise has way too many characters at this point.
I wish I knew what the writer for StrikerS was thinking when not only did he introduce a bunch new protagonists, but also made the antagonist group ridiculously fuckhuge. And there's Lutecia and her friend which (to my recollection) don't even do anything but exist.
>>143181156
I like this solution and I will get behind it 100%.
>>143181099
>everyone can agree on
I disagree. After all, it is just secondary characters. You can use them, but you don't have to. Every story needs secondary characters, else it feels weird.
>They should kill off everyone
Bleh. That would be the way to ruin everything.
>>143181206
You're playing as Fate, obviously.
>>143180573
>I think StrikerS is much better appreciated on a rewatch
Really? The beginning was so dull I stopped my rewatch after the second episode. Even those episodes had redundant dialogue and did a bad job of establishing characters (typically telling instead of showing). Too many scenes' singular purpose is to deliver exposition, almost half of the second episode is dedicated to elaborating on an incident that's wholly uninteresting. It completely killed my interest.
>>143181206
>he doesn't want first-person lesbian orgies with Nanoha and Fate (Hayate unlockable)
>>143181156
I agree that most of the characters should go. But the only way for the series to move forward from StrikerS is with Nanoha taking some kind of teaching role where her overwhelmingly powerful Magic can't instantly solve any problem. And to this end Tia and the Lesbot are good vehicles to facilitate Nanoha's continued growth while still presenting her with problems that she can't blast into oblivion (Although she damn well tried with Tia.)
>>143181349
Vive support when?
>>143181328
Fate "Riot one" Testarossa.
>>143181246
>And there's Lutecia and her friend which (to my recollection) don't even do anything but exist.
Lutecia was the rival of Caro and Erio; Zest was Signum's enemy. They were irrelevant otherwise.
>>143180323
Nothing bad ever happened. EVER.
>>143180431
>How on earth could it possibly cause mess?
By deleting a lot of characters from the continuity. Quite a mess for the merch department.
Do you even lift?
>>143183285
How do people like this shit?
>>143183285
O- okay, you win.
>>143183184
>>143183486
Is that some older doujin, or something new I missed?
>>143183331
cute girls and the hints of more cool worldbuilding that will never be explored
and the cute girls
>>143181950
When will we see them again?
Imagine a cute doujin where Major Nakajima goes shopping for a safety seat with embarassed Cinque.
>How old is our daughter?
>How much does she weight?
>Err, I need a seat that lets the child drive the car.
>>143184916
The TSAB just "requisitioned" it probably
>>143184916
>Imagine a cute doujin where [StrikerS shit]
no
>>143184947
Is the StrikerS hate a real thing or just a meme? The show isn't as good as A's but it still have lots of cool stuff.
>>143185177
what kind of question is that, did you read the thread?
>but it still have lots of cool stuff.
"lots" might be a bit of an overstatement there
>>143182966
Compared to a dead series? Not really, and they seem to be managing just fine with the multiple canons the franchise already has.
>>143185383
Thread doesn't tell us if StrikerS is hated by 20, 30, 50% (etc) people, or if we just observe 2-3 random people who dislike it and happened to meet here this particular time.
>>143186997
Cast your votes
http://www.strawpoll.me/10558747
>>143187150
Polls are irrelevant, you know how this works.
People with cellphones can easily bring it down.
And I'm of the ones who think it is shit aside from four or five scenes.
>>143187150
>http://www.strawpoll.me/10558747
5 votes for "shit" in under 3 minutes since the post? (I voted the first non-shit as of now)
In any case, the stat shows that 59 IPs at most posted here, likely less people. So I doubt the poll will have any number of participants that could make it relevant for larger community than 10 anons happneing to waste time in thread on june 21st.
>>143186997
Well if they were talking about Vivid in that comic they wouldn't be wrong.
>>143187805
They aren't. They're talking about Vivid Life. And Vivio's sign actually says something closer to "wardrobe malfunctions" but I can imagine how that would've been harder to fit. There are definitely wardrobe malfunctions in both Vivid and Vivid Life.
>>143150301
Anybody have a link to this?
Is there any picture of adult Nanoha and Fate doing symmdocking? Even if not main focus.
>>143190145
This is almost what you requested >>143189152
>>143189152
Why are those adult women molesting that little girl?
>>143190254
Do you even know what symmdocking is?
>>143190917
In this context is Symmetrical Docking, so it's like >>143189152
but without the daughteru in the middle. Symmdocking is something different by the way.
>>143191087
>but without the daughteru in the middle
So, you know what to post.
2 pages on gelbooru found
>>143183331
"... years ago, there was a war. ... They've tried to invade the southlands through the northern valley time and time again. Luck was never on their side, though, and their victories didn't last long. They didn't realize that times had changed. Facing one defeat after another, losing territory and watching their nation dwindle, they built up their industrial strength to unprecedented heights and used it to wage one final battle against the world.
That was ... years ago.
They fought ferociously, but were utterly defeated. The Belkans then committed the unthinkable; they used mass destruction weapons on their own soil. Seeing this tragedy unfold before their own eyes, the victorious countries vowed to throw down their weapons, the world was once again at peace. Thanks to them, it seemed it would last forever..."
>>143191633
So don't be lazy.
>>143190767
>adult women
>they are 18 on this picture
>>143191836
Vivid killed any interest I had in Ancient Belka. Fuck Vivid.
>>143191921
19+
