Honest thoughts on Fate Zero?
>>143056429
2edgy4me.
>>143056429
Great first half, followed by a disappointing and utterly unfulfilling second half. Even though there were two major fights for the ending, neither were well done nor interesting.
>>143056429
Amazing considering you know how the story basically has to unfold. Picture how much Episodes 1-3 of the Star Wars series sucked because it lacked any suspense. Prequels are tough to pull off.
>>143056429
Best
Worst
Third movie had no reason to exist
>>143056429
Best memes.
>>143056429
Nose dives hard after the banquet
OTPs
Kiritsugu x Kirei
Maiya x Iri x Saber
Rider x Velvet-kun
>>143056429
Not enough swords.
The lack of any good fights in the second half hurts it considerably.
We could have had:
Lancer vs. Berserker
Lancer vs. Rider
Rider vs. Berserker
Gil vs. Saber
Gil vs. Lancer
and a proper Saber vs. Berserker that isn't just one side pounding on the other endlessly because Saber's completely morally devastated by the fact that her friend wants to kill her, followed by him admitting he doesn't actually want to kill her (thanks for almost doing so anyways Prancelot).
Instead we got jack and shit.
>>143056725
>two
Rider vs Archer, Saber vs Berserker, and Kirei vs Kiritsugu occur at the same time.
>>143056429
Kinda crap but still better than UBW.
>>143057008
>>143056725
explain
Why are they fighting in Batman's lair?
>>143057200
I seriously don't consider Saber vs. Berserker an actual fight. Not only because it got zero screentime, but because it was just Berserker wailing on Saber for eons while she just sat there and took it.
Leave HFkino to me
>>143057310
Having two fights going on in two different burning rooms could have been confusing.
>>143057407
>kino
Back to >>>/tv/
>>143057243
The only remotely interesting fight we got post banquet was Rider vs. Gil and that was just him leading a suicide charge to his own death.
Every other fight was either interrupted, terrible, or both terrible and interrupted.
"The Grail... belongs to me!"
Saber’s low voice was filled with hatred. The insane obsession caused her once clear jade eyes to fill with a murky yellow-brown.
>>143057603
Saber going Alter at a point that wasn't moments from her own death could have been really fucking cool to see.
>>143056725
Rider VS Gilgamesh was awesome but i won't blame you for not counting that as a "fight". Gil stompped hard.
>>143057861
Gil gonna Gil.
>>143057896
Gil la Gil
Garbage. Accomplishes nothing thematically
I watched fate/stay night two weeks ago and I enjoyed it. Should I pick this up too?
>>143056429
Ambitious, brilliant, heartbreaking and masterfully crafted narrative, complex characters with powerful ideals, visually stunning, gorgeous score.
>>143058032
the original or ubw?
>>143056429
It's the anime version of the typical Hollywood tent pole/blockbuster action movie.
>>143058057
And a real multifocused conflict with characters from all spectrums of morality. I loved the factions in the 4th Grail War. More entertaining and interesting than the collection of fetishes that where the ones on the 5th.
>>143056429
Pretty entertaining, rather stupid, but everything to do with fate that tries to be serious is like that.
>>143058164
Isn't Ryuunosuke and Gilles the definition of a "fetish collection"? FSN had more nuanced factions, like Medea and Kuzuki.
>>143058213
>rather stupid
Elaborate.
>>143058306
>Isn't Ryuunosuke and Gilles the definition of a "fetish collection"?
Yes, all the fetishism was concentrated on a single semi-relevant team that was plowed by everyone else. Which allowed the other teams to shine in other aspects. A brilliant move.
>>143058164
>>143058306
FSN vs FZ? Again?
>>143058420
It's good that they were taken out early, but I would have appreciated if they had a little more to them.
>>143058097
ubw
>>143056429
Pokemon battle.
>>143058032
>>143058605
http://pastebin.com/gWugHmdj
>>143056924
Young Kirei reminds me of Seto Kaiba
>>143057603
Too bad the scene wasn't portrayed like that in the anime. It could have been nice to see Saber visually tainted.
>>143058830
S2 was rushed in many ways
>>143056429
Best times. Especially if you wanted adaptation since 2007.Too bad you can't discuss it anymore because of new generation and their subculture wars.
>Zerofags kek hue
I'm not a kid
>>>/v/
>>143056429
It starts really good but it gets shitty pretty fast with the caster plot and then the second cour is just bland as fuck.
Shallow characters too so it doesn't make you feel anything either
Honestly shit. Every major fight was boring, every reveal wasn't interesting except for the ending.
Boring almost the entire way is how I felt about it. Which sucks because of how much money was put into this. The problem is that all the fight scenes are so anticlimactic.
Assassin gets defeated at the beginning, but not really, and does nothing the entire story.
Caster is COOOOL but is pretty boring. He gets too big, has to be defeated by Saber in a one shot kill and that's boring.
Rider is interesting but then gets defeated in a one shot earthquake.
Berserker has that one cool scene (the one where he grabs a sword to cut a spear) and gets defeated boringly. Cut to something, then back to Saber blocking, back to another scene, back to Saber still blocking wondering what she did to make him this angry, back to another scene, and back to Saber stabbing Berserker in the back.
That's boring shit.
It really feels like those old anime slides of a person shouting but with a lot more budget to make it flashier. It's not interesting.
I didn't give a fuck about that kid that was with Rider, I didn't care about that iconic talk of kings part. I just didn't care about anything.
Amazing animation and music is not enough to make something great.
>>143059052
The threads were hilarious as fuck though.
I like Fate/Zero magnitudes more than I like any other Butcher franchise, as well as any other Type/Moon anime. Kerry's backstory was kind of shitty but aside from that it was solid.
It was better than UBW
>>143059052
>>143056924
I just remember
>Rider death episode was released in 10-11 june
>Alexander died 10-11 june
>Natalia death episode
>Mother's day
>Kiri in the grail episode
>Father's day
>>143056429
A fine example of a 10/10 series. It hit all the right points and then some. Shitposters can fuck off.
Heaven's Feel > Zero > UBW >= Fate
>>143059336
This. Everyone loves to hail Madoka and Saya no Uta as Butcher's best, but I personally believe that Fate/Zero was his best.
>>143056429
My honest thoughts? I wish that f/z was not related to the fate franchise. I dislike stay night (both anime versions and the VN) but f/z is so different and good that it blew me away. It's kinda sad that such a good show is dragged down by such a mediocre franchise. F/z was a good action show, with good characters, nice battles and even some good ol' philosophy. If it was it's own show, then it would be among my top 5 favorite anime (right now it's among top 15)
Kariya should have gotten more screentime.
>>143059685
One more. The final episode of Fate/Zero aired on National UFO Day, a pun on Ufotable's name.
>>143059903
>good characters, nice battles and even some good ol' philosophy
Stay Night is better in all of these.
>>143056429
I fucking loved it. Maybe I licked it so much because i watched it before stay night but nit only that zero had incredible fights
>>143056429
I like it, but largely because I played the VN beforehand. Something about Urobuchi's writing bothers me, his characters aren't actual characters. They're just pieces used to illustrate a larger point. I also felt the first half was a bit dry with all the monologues. An entertaining show nonetheless, with good production values. And the ending scene is perfect.
>>143056429
Batcave Brawl > Temple Turmoil
>>143060637
>Something about Urobuchi's writing bothers me, his characters aren't actual characters. They're just pieces used to illustrate a larger point.
That's what I like about his writing.
>>143059935
And a better ending.
>Uro
>good ending
>>143056429
I genuinely liked how they fought in the Bat bunker.
>>143056429
I thought Natalia was truly boner-inducing and there still isn't enough fap material out there nor any doujins of her getting it on with the little Kerry.
>>143056429
The only good series to come out of the Fate franchise.
I want to fuck Gilgamesh.
>>143059325
>Didn't care about the Feast of Kings
>Didn't care about Walker
>Was bored by amazing over the top action
I think you might be dead inside, anon. Do you like anything?
>>143057407
>kino
Fuck off you cancerous fa/tv/irgin and kill yourself.
>>>/tv/
>>143056429
Garbage, easily one of the worst Fate spin-offs. But that's to be expected with Urobutcher
>>143056429
Typical Urobuchi non-characters. Nasu should have written this work.
>>143056924
Fuck. Can you dump more zero memes?
>>143059903
But Heaven's Feel is pretty much the truest sequel to Fate/Zero not just in story and characters, but tone and atmosphere. I can understand not liking Fate and UBW as much as Zero, but you gotta love Heaven's Feel if you loved Zero.
>>143057407
Kill yourself.
>>143063430
>I can understand not liking Fate and UBW as much as Zero, but you gotta love Heaven's Feel if you loved Zero.
This. Wasn't Zero even written in mind specifically to match the tone and writing of Heaven's Feel?
Hell it practically ties up the main threads leftover from Zero far more than any of the other routes:
>Shirou rejects his heroic ideal and thereby moving past Kerry's
>Saber's chivalrous streak utterly crumbles and she becomes Saber Alter
>Zouken is dealt with
>Sakura finally addressed and given proper ending with Rin
>Ilya follows the same fate as Iri
>Shirou has his final showdown with Kirei, the former arch-nemesis of his foster dad
>>143056429
Fucking censored shit.
>>143063739
Considering Shirou's whole ideal wasn't much of a thread in Zero, that just leaves Saber's whole deal.
So yeah, pretty much.
>>143056429
CG Lancelot and tentacle monster really brought down the show quite a few pegs. The shitty edgy MC brought down another, Saber interacting with no one but the wife is another punch, and too many side characters were utterly useless, now we are at the bottom.
2/10, I liked the priest and his fight.
>>143064751
Well what I mean is how Kerry's influence and final words served to lead up to Shirou's heroic ideals which was still hinted at in Zero (though only in the barest minimum).
good times
>>143056429
It's bad. None of the characters are interesting.
Beginning was solid and Kayneth fight was great. But after that it just keeps getting worse.
Shite
>>143060324
Nope, not even close. I like saber and gil from zero, more than their sn counterparts. The other servants and masters were also better in zero (tho I did like archer from sn, and assassin from zero is the weakest character). Also, tell me where in stay night is the battle where 6 servants meet, and exchange blows and dialogue? In terms of action, f/z is on another level. The first group meeting between servants, giant caster vs archer, saber and rider, while gil and berserker are having a dogfight, kirei vs kiritsugu, kayneth vs kiritsugu, Gil vs rider ect. In the vn.
>>143059898
That's not kikokugai
>>143063739
Hmm, heaven's feel sounds good. I kinda want to read it now. Is there any way to skip ubw? I dropped the vn because i could not go trough ubw again. Also, the fact that this is a sakura route really bothers me. I really dislike sakura, but if the story is good then i think i can ignore her.
>>143067175
this, I think HF is a good story dragged down by a shitty "heroine" which is why I've never progressed past ubw
F/Z Gil is superior to F/SN Gil
>>143063430
>>143063739
Why do you people try always to separate the routes?
HF isn't more of a sequel to Zero than Fate for example, Fate deals with Gil and Saber while HF deals with the Matou stuff and Kirei.
Zero was done to cover everything from the VN in the 4th war.
>>143063739
Saber is more similar to Kerry than Zero makes it out to be, especially with the whole "muh " chivalry thing" which is not consistent with Saber at all.
Saber and Gil, 2 of the main character from Zero, don't get a proper conclusion in HF.
>>143066817
>Also, tell me where in stay night is the battle where 6 servants meet, and exchange blows and dialogue?
No where, and that doesn't happen in Zero either. Unless you count Assassin spying as exchanging blows and dialogue. And the 1st forest skirmish in HF is better than the first encounter in Zero, mainly because in Zero it happens early on amounts to almost nothing. Everyone comes out the same way they went in, except for Saber with a cut.
>>143067667
>except for Saber with a cut.
Always debuffing Saber at the start, fucking boring.
>>143058742
How? Kirei is a sociopath, Kaiba's just a dick.
Pretty good but far too many people only like it or give too much praise beucause of the "maturity".
>>143067175
Nope. Just power through UBW and read Heaven's Feel. You will appreciate HF MUCH more after watching Zero and reading Fate and UBW.
>>143069221
>You will appreciate HF MUCH more after watching Zero
>>143069610
I'm referring to his case in particular you niggerfaggot.
Fate/stay night was better
>>143060970
>Nasu: Usually if I drew a dark hero like Kariya, he'd lose almost everything only to have all his hard work pay off in the end. But of course, Urobuchi-san goes and has characters like Kariya die without any sort of retribution.
>>143069716
He would "appreciate HF MUCH more after watching Zero" as opposed to what? That is his only option, you retard.
>>143056429
Kotomine and Gilgamesh made it worth watching.
Definitely my least favorite Fate/Anything though.
>>143068905
Kaiba is also a sociopath.
>>143056429
I preferred Stay night. Gil and Kirei were the only ones who felt like the real protagonists to me. Kerry was an unlikable MC and his only redeeming points were saving Shirou, and his holy grail of a wife and daughter. Saber was just there to argue with him and that suit is her best outfit. I felt like that characters who appeared in sn were the only important ones and the rest were just there to be killed off or played like a chess piece .
>>143070437
Sure but Kirei doesn't have the douchebag vibe Kaiba does. Kotomine's efficient and no bullshit, Kaiba fucks around a lot
>>143056429
It's bad. None of the characters are interesting. And after few good fights at the start it even stops having good action.
>>143068905
I meant look wise mainly.
>>143056429
Pretentious crap that has no likely character. Wasted my time watching it.All the suffering did give me a good laugh though.
>>143056429
Watch it yourself and form your own opinion and stand by it instead of seeking validation and consensus you spineless faggot.
>>143056429
I thought it was pretty nice. Already knew all the important parts because I read the VN a few years before, but it was nice to see it animated.
I also liked how they connected F/Z more to F/SN with the UBW adaptation.
>>143071844
>_master1200
Honestly I find the 5-way struggle to be more interesting than the actual fight scenes.
>>143061813
She's literally femgil with blue hair
>>143067351
And Fate/EXTRA Gil is superior to both.
>>143057127
Wait, these fights were in the F/Z novel?
>>143067766
They really had to strong-arm that cut onto saber just so she couldn't excaliblast bigger threats away. Then the moment something like that comes along the whole idea is dropped. It's not good writing. It was a poor way to contrive tension and didn't even follow through on it.
>>143056429
NO FIRE
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In all honesty fate/zero is too discordant in quality, having to jump between too many perspectives with varying significance to their arcs.
Also the show really is awful at focusing on anything other than Kerry, even Kirei gets hit with the no development stick.
>>143069833
As opposed to him not appreciating HF as much without Zero. You act as though Zero is vital when HF stands tall without it.
>>143071937
Here's the other one. There's just two.
>>143072447
Do you understand English?
Not a fan of Urobuchi works since they often lie in the opposite extreme as shounen shows where nobody dies and everybody gets a happy ending. The suffering felt like it was meeting a certain quota per episode, and said suffering wasn't aptly rewarded within the show.
It is decent as a prequel because it helps appreciate Saber's Avalon end in Stay Night, but it's weak as a standalone Nasuverse show.
>>143072953
Well said.
It was okay. I didn't really like Kiritsugu though. He's an interesting character but I don't think he makes for a good MC.
>>143056429
You can put Fate in front of anything , add a saber and i'll automatically like it.It's that simple.
>>143075133
But Saber was awful in Zero. I'm a huge saberfag and she was the 2nd worst servant besides Assassin.
It was cool.
