What can be done to save the isekai genre?
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What can be done to save the isekai genre?
>>143019029
I doubt it can, the only good isekai is konosuba, and that's because it's a parody.
It's weird of the extremes of the Japanese and Chinese world-traveling novels
Chinese ones go slow as all hell and takes 100 chapters for the MC to get anywhere, and that's only if they are OPMCs (normal ones take a lot longer).
While Japanese ones give the MC all the powerups, harems, and OP abilities from the get-go without the MC having to work for any of it. So most MCs have not much long-term goals besides "do whatever I want"
They can both do with better pacing.
>>143019029
Stop making it. At this point, it's as played out as the school battle harem.
ANIME KUMO
>>143019208
what of 12 Kingdoms, Escaflowne, and Geminar?
>>143019355
Weren't all that great but your standards have gotten so low that they're the first things you think of.
my suggestion would be read more novels
>>143019355
Was escaflowne good? I never finished it because kinda boring
>>143019029
Nothing. All you can do is stop fucking making them and let the genre cool down for awhile.
>>143019355
>what of 12 Kingdoms, Escaflowne
I was talking about modern Isekai.
>>143019393
>your standards have gotten so low that they're the first things you think of.
Make us laugh, what Isekai are better than 12 Kingdoms and Escaflowne?
>>143019029
It needs to be euthanized.
>>143019452
I wouldn't be able to talk about them because it'd be breaking the rules.
You'd be on /lit/ if you truly cared
>>143019029
>What can be done to save the isekai genre?
Konosuba.
>>143019029
>the reason
Make the solid reason for world-travel, not suicide, random god's will or etc.
>the protagonist
Make him real character with weaknesses and strength. Cut this useless cheating buffs.
>the world
Make an interesting world WITHOUT RPG OR MMORPG REFERENCES. With people living, with all contradictions, politics, evildoers and stuff.
>the plot
Make plot pls. Just make it.
>the harem
Make interesting harem, with girls being characters, not walking titties.
That's pretty much it.
>>143019430
Yes. You probably just can't stand shojo, but I have honestly no idea how someone can find the first episodes boring.
>>143019489
But thats part of the cancer. Thankfully ReZero is actually good.
Nothing, it's beyond saving.
Hataraku Maou-sama is a good reversal of it, though. At least in concept.
>>143019029
A rookie wizard is sent to earth during an alien invasion and helps humanity win the war against superior alien technology by combining science and magic.
>>143019029
Have a greater diversity of how the other world is used.
Stop making it the playground of a single reincarnated cheating otaku.
For all GATE's faults, it at least did something slightly different.
Muv-Luv Alternative is another one that tried something new.
naturally they can do with more creative worlds
whole point of isekai is the the MC is a fish out of water in a strange and fantastical world.
Have a MC be a normal fuck in a horrible hybrid of Final Fantasy and Wagner. That everyone are hammy high-born gods that can kill the MC by breathing on him too hard and that no matter how well off the MC gets that's still true. He has to us his wits to get by and explore the world and it's wonders with great enthusiasm because even though every person is a god this also means that all of the stuff they have far surpasses his own world.
>>143019494
What solid reason would you suggest?
>>143019430
That's because it is boring the whole way through.
>>143019484
if you are fully awere that those things you have in mind are unrelated, you can avoid shitposting instead of trying to sound elitist.
It's a shitty premise for garbage writers to appeal to an equally shitty fanbase. It just needs to completely fuck off, nothing good is ever coming out of it.
Konosuba was average at best.
>>143019525
I'm glad you ended that on some obvious bait. I didn't want to respond seriously.
>>143019430
yeah I didn't like it either
replace Escaflowne with El Hazard then
I'd also put Now and Then, :Here and There as well but I didn't like that series either.
>>143019452
No indication they were talking of modern. >>143019208 clearly doesn't like 12 kingdoms
I guess you yourself don't like Geminar.
>>143019595
Make up your mind, am I shitposting or trying to sound elitist?
[x] remove harem
>>143019639
there has never been a world where the two are mutually exclusive
With more Log Horizon
>>143019639
Are you really so unbelievably stupid?
>MC start playing VR online-game.
>Get female avatar and tries the new ``Sex´´ option with random dude for giggles.
>Gets the `Pregnant´´ status.
>Suddenly, everyone gets transported to the game isekai.
>A noob, alone and pregnant in another world adventure starts.
By embracing the true possibilities of the genre.
More realistic medieval and gritty worlds, MCs abusing technological and physics knowledge from our world, etc etc.
Imagine an isekai where the MC pushes back the Maou's armies with muskets instead of cheat hax powers.
>>143019745the kid is the chosen one
>>143019688
Second season was snorefest.
>>143019765
kinda like Drifters?
>>143019029
More Overlord
>>143019675
>>143019744
>instead
>>143019886
More trash?
>>143019673
[x] remove male MC
>>143019799
>They got transported becaused MC accomplied a requierement to breed a god (Weakest newborn x strongest douche. And he masturbated to it).
>>143019765
Like that one movie where they predicted an eclipse to put out a fire?
>>143019765
>Imagine an isekai where the MC pushes back the Maou's armies with muskets instead of cheat hax powers.
and the real villain is the church!
hey wait, Mark Twain wrote the first isekai.
How about we do it where a generic anime MC with all the OP powers and a harem despite having no real personality to speak of dies, and is reincarnated into a different fantasy world where things don't come as easily to him, and women treat him as a joke at best?
He can still have successes and victories, but no LN-style victories. Just being a constant failure hero is just trying too hard.
Also reincarnate him as a girl, for shits and giggles.
>>143019688
>>143019886
A bucket of shit isn't improved by adding more shit.
>>143019745
You mean like Vampire Princess?
>>143019959
Instead of being lost and miserable Mr Bones was having fun. What's wrong with that?
>>143019945
"If you were aware it would be too much of a tangent, you could have not said anything at all instead of shitposting trying to sound elitist."
>>143020065
That's not an American sentence.
>>143019208
>>143019489
>good isekai
>konosuba
You're a part of the problem.
>>143019977
>knowing that it's a divine entity spends the series trying to protect the child while preggers
>MC dies in childbirth
>he wakes up to find that he's the child
Is Bleach Isekai?
>>143020003
Anteilier Tanaka was a LN in that vein
he's ugly, most people fuck with him, and those girls that end up falling for him are all fucking other dudes
>>143019765
To be honest "modern equipment vs primitives" is really not that different than hax powers, and it got boring pretty fast, with Gate being the final nail in the coffin for me.
Isekai by itself is not really good or bad, it's the writers themselves who make it shit by resorting to generic tired tropes ("Magic sure is convenient!")
How about an isekai where MC is a programmer and ends up in a world where magic is code "compiled" by the wizard's brain, and although MC doesn't have the part of the brain required to cast magic, his academic knowledge puts him on par with the greatest wizards of that world when it comes to "inventing new spells" so he slowly makes his way up in the shadows by supporting a dumb mage that everyone makes fun of.
And don't go ahead and ruin it by giving him a harem, a single love interest is enough, make it some chick who likes stealing corpses from the graveyard and dissecting them to learn medicine and draw the internal human body in detail, and MC decides to help her out since he wants to figure out what makes his brain and this world's brains different. So he has to keep his cover and make his dumb friend a hero by day, and commit grave-robbery and research by night.
>>143020140
it's more of an exorcist series really
>>143019029
A huge problem with it is that they fucking ignore the fact that they are stuck in a different world very quickly. I don't get why they just don't start the story off with the fantasy setting as a default if that's typically the case.
>>143019029
It's simple, we kill the isekai genre.
>>143020220
That's a more OPMC version of Warlock in a Magus world (and Leilyn was already pretty OP).
>>143019029
Better writers.
>>143019430
It's been literally over 20 years since Escaflowne. At the time it was pretty unique, but I wouldn't recommend it today. I thought the movie was better.
>>143020304
that's probably the best answer
all the isekai series the people in this thread knows were all made by webnovelists
and web-anything are usually known for no quality control.
>>143020348
>not recommending watching for Dilandau burning everything
>>143020276
>What happens when a scientist from a futuristic world reincarnates in a World of Magic and Knights?
>An awesome MC — that’s what happens!
>A scientist’s goal is to explore the secrets of the universe, and this is exactly what Leylin sets out to do when he is reincarnated. Dark, cold and calculating, he makes use of all his resources as he sets off on his adventures to meet his goal.
Description is already a big enough of a turn-off, goddamn chinks.
>>143020379
It's not a wonder why the adaptations are so fan fic tier.
>>143020379
if we had actual professionals write the Isekai plots it would definitely up the quality
people think there's not much creative freedom with the genre, problem is there's too much and they use to to write their wet dreams.
>>143019824
It wasn't exactly a snorefest. Children Arc was boring but when Roe2 got introduced things got interesting. Also moon server and all that was nice.
>>143020397
Japan can't into isekai. They should just stop embarrassing themselves.
There are plenty of great Isekai anime.
Tatami Galaxy is probably one of the greatest examples out there.
I think there's a russian novel where a military squad gets sent to elfland.
I think it ends with elfland being literally nuked.
So yeah, when in doubt, as the russians.
>>143020220
>How about an isekai where MC is a programmer and ends up in a world where magic is code "compiled" by the wizard's brain, and although MC doesn't have the part of the brain required to cast magic, his academic knowledge puts him on par with the greatest wizards of that world when it comes to "inventing new spells" so he slowly makes his way up in the shadows by supporting a dumb mage that everyone makes fun of.
Literally exactly every novel by Jack L Chalker, although it's usually the villains doing that scheme. Magic is programming the universe, anything that lets a magic-user solve equations better than a human makes them overpowered. It still gets old. Chalker was a pervert too, but considering the topic...
>>143020379
>web-anything no quality control
OOTS, Erfworld and Unsounded disagree with you.
>>143019029
Something came to mind when I was bored yesterday. Basically have the plot be something like this.
>Old man with a really jumbled together set of clothing and accessories.
>Turns out each one is came from a different world he traveled to, he wears all of them despite not matching because they all hold memories to him.
>Story is him describing the story behind different pieces he acquired on his journeys.
>At the end of every part, something forced him to teleport to a new world in need of a hero.
>Slowly becomes more distant and jaded through every world since he won't see any friends or lovers he made during is time there after he is forced away.
So basically Freeter from Hero Message Board. Wouldn't fix the genre or anything, but I'd like to read something like that.
>>143019029
Subverting the genre norms is a good place to start.
Don't make the main character a god out of the box. In fact, avoid making him too strong in general. Specifically regarding the rebirth/reincarnation types, if this is a fantasy world then functional immortals should be a thing. Starting with 20-30 years of experience out of the gate is nice, but the protagonist shouldn't be out doing 900 year old liches.
Unusual protagonists (not average spiky haired japanese high school boy) are also nice as they give a fresh premise to work with. You kind of see that with the "reincarnate into a monster" types, but they all usually fall into the previous mentioned ultra-fast-power-creep issue.
No explicit rpg/mmo mechanics.
They are bad and make the world a cheap numbers game.
>>143020444
it's basically>>143020220
except for the "his academic knowledge puts him on par with the greatest wizards" thing
MC can only be as good as what he knows and the wizards are basically the admech from 40k but more jewish when it comes to knowledge.
>>143020264
I read a comment about how the west likes fantasy where the main character is fantastic to begin with like conan or harry potter, but japan prefers stories where the protagonist is a normal person like the reader who coincidentally has fantastic stuff happen around him.
I think it might be because isekai are a lazy way to get around worldbuilding.
You see, if the MC was a native, he wouldn't need to get infodumped on literally everything, and so worldbuilding would have to be built upon more subtly and carefully. His ethics would also be those of his world, not ours, which makes writing an isseakaier much more barebones.
the protagonist is the creator of an indie RPG that becomes a surprise cult hit, but when brought into his own creation as an actual world for whatever reason, finds himself drunk with the knowledge of how the very world he created works as he dilutes and fucks up everything out of his own interests and self-insertion desiresthe real protagonist is an NPC who ends up having to step up to the role of a hero and beat the creator's face in to get him to stop fucking everything up
>>143020530
"no quality control" doesn't mean EVERYTHING will be shit
just that most of it and that the shit will be really shit, no rhyme or reason, nothing is taken for granted, and nothing is sacred
also people have already called the things you listed shit (like OOTS but kinda got bored with the Durakon arc).
The isekai genre doesn't need to be saved. It needs to be killed.
Nothing. They are fine as is. They accomplish exactly what they aim to do, and what their fans want them to do.
>>143020220
I wasn't talking about modern equipment vs fantasy.
More like, MC abuses his knowledge of modern physics to make money or create new weapons (better smelting techniques, early gunpowder weapons, etc etc).
>>143019945
Wow, so you really are so freaking stupid. First you try to sound superior and then you display such poor reading comprehension. I know obnoxious wannabe-elitists are usually retards, but that's too much.
>>143020693
>More like, MC abuses his knowledge of modern physics to make money or create new weapons (better smelting techniques, early gunpowder weapons, etc etc).
Which leads to modern equipment, doesn't it?
Of course I didn't necessarily mean the weapons we have right now, but for barbarians there isn't that much difference between muskets and shotguns. By modern equipment I mean in comparison with the new world's level of technology.
>>143020484
to be fair, I feel like Japan having such a difficult language is what holds japan back, considering no one will read novels, they're all forced to write light novels instead. And since anyone can write light novels they end up being shit
unpopular, but re-zero put a good twist on the isekai genre. Konosuba is fun because parody, i think the next big hit will be tate no yuusha
By fusing it with shojo.
>>143020530
>erfworld
>not solid proof for that
Unsounded I don't know, but Erfworld is shit. Somewhat relevant shit to the topic, but still shit.
>>143019029
Nice we got a second thread going? It needs more loli hags
>>143020652
Make him be accompanied by an old, war-veteran QA tester who always complains about how nothing works as it's supposed to, and an a gameplay designer that always gets into arguments with the MC (porogrammer) about the feasibility.
>>143020767
Japan has actual novels even today
you don't know about them because your knowledge of foreign novels are entry level but they exist
>>143020578
>but japan prefers stories where the protagonist is a normal person like the reader
>MC-kun is a young shopkeeper in a small village. However one day the village is attacked by Orcs. MC-kun manages to escape, and finds a magic macguffin that will give him the power to avenge his village and save the world.
Thought of ti as I wrote it. You don't have to be from the "real world" to be normal at the start. Anyone with actual writing ability or creativity can do much better than my shitty example.
>>143020765
Actually, early gunpowder weapons weren't much better than bows and crossbows.
It took more than 200 years for muskets to become viable alternatives to the crossbow.
>>143020003
I really want to see a series where a dumb harem protagonist gets completely crushed. I'm talking complete psychological devastation where he loses everything that was given to him through his own shortcomings. There should be enough ill will against that character archetype built up to carry at least one cour of that.
While the threads here, anyone know of a series where mc gets robot waifu? Doesn't have to be isekai, but that'd be a bonus.
>>143020976
>the edge
Perhaps not think of profit and try something out of the box?
My favorite writers, though not exclusive to /a/, tend to do what they want and leave lasting impressions because they're not following a trope guide book. And if they are they're usually intentionally twisting it.Clearly /v/ but Assasin's Creed 1-Brotherhood is one of my favorites while not being all magic based.
>>143019452
>I was talking about modern Isekai.
Define modern Isekai.
Because honestly, the Isekai "genre " has existed for a long time in anime, it just wasn't given that name.
Other examples include Magic Knight Reyearth, Tsubasa Chronicles (kinda), Inuyasha (even though it's supposed to be time travel), Fushigi Yuugi, Digimon (most of the franchise) and that's just naming popular 90s/00s examples.
What exactly are your defining points setting "mordern" Isekai apart from "old school" Isekai
>>143020778
>Konosuba is fun because parody,
Ad because the bits of story and characterization blend with the parody very well. I'm really surprised how it can still work so well after 8 volumes.
>>143020778
>i think the next big hit will be tate no yuusha
Probably. Personally I found it mediocre at best.
>>143019029
What they need to learn is how to properly structure a story. Creating fantasy is hard as fuck.
>>143020578
But whether the "ordinary" character with no special traits or abilities is from another world or not makes no difference if you think about it. They don't have to be literally a self insert for them to be relatable or connected with the readers.
>>143021084
>think of profit
You think they're writing it for you? They're writing it for themselves dipshit
>>143021203
>They're writing it for themselves dipshit
Why not just jerk off then? If they're publishing it they obviously want other people to read it so maybe try to please them so they give you money.
Here's some good isekai for you.
MC is sent to another world, but the game system used as basis for the newis Dark Souls
>>143021125
>What exactly are your defining points setting "mordern" Isekai apart from "old school" Isekai
The new world has videogame mechanics
The MC is a otaku
The MC has a cheat
The MC has no interest in going home
>>143021035
Just to clarify, I've read Clockwork Planet and Horizion already. Wasn't really a fan of how "large scale" those were, they seemed to loose the interaction between MC and machine with their overarching plots.
>>143021084
I always love the hipster narrative of "if we give more freedoms everything will be a masterpiece guize!"
the Isekai genre came from a webnovel site that people can both contribute and read for free. It's like saying fanfiction.net would be better if they didn't pursue profit.
also your example came from Ubisoft
>>143021126
re:zero introduced japanese otaku to SUFFERING. thats why i said tate will be the next big thing
cant wait
Some possibilities...
>Make the new worlds actually interesting. Part of the reason why the few isekai series that the west has enjoyed are the Oz, Alice, and Narnia books are that the authors used worldbuilding to make the world an interesting place to live in. Nobody here really cares about generic Dragon Quest world #43.
>Try to ease up on the self insertion. I know that's a big part of isekai series, but the way they do the self-insertion is bad enough. Make the MC an equal to the people around him, rather than a god in mortal clothing.
>Stick to the premise of the LN. Usually, the only difference in isekai LNs is a twist, like "the MC was reborn as a slime" or "it's actually the devil thrown into the real world". This is fine, but usually the author is only able to write in this premise for a book or two before falling back on cliched haremshit. If you're going to have a LN with a twist, you'd better spend the entire series looking at every fucking angle of that twist.
I've actually been trying to write a proof of concept for a LN idea where the MC is reincarnated as an NPC, and has to deal with a perfectly normal life. But I try to follow these concepts, and I'd probably abandon the idea if I wrote myself in a corner.
>>143021035
Chobits
Mahoromatic
Alex + Ada
Green Lantern: The Animated Series
>>143021347
>webnovels about edge and suffering didn't exist before re:zero
uh anon...
>>143021318
2 out of 4 of those is enough to qualify.
>>143021316
That's Grimgar, man.
>>143021035
Muv-Luv Alternative, sort of.
>>143021346
I misunderstood then, sorry. I googled isekai genre and got the basics of the genre itself, not the origin.
>>143021383
>dont care for dq world 43
I do you faggot, clearly the series isnt for you
>ease up on self insertion
You are so fucking stupid
>stick to premise
Literally what the fuck? Can you into reading comprehension?
>perfectly normal life
Do you even understand why your idea is shit and isekai are good?
>>143021405
Yes. But Re zero is the one that make it goes main stream, considering how good it's selling right theree, also tons of western weebs loving it
>>143021470
still doesn't excuse you for saying an Ubisoft is an example of creative freedom
like that guy that said Megaman was "an example of retro creativity"
>>143019029
Do something creative and interesting with the setting instead of creating a generic backdrop for the sake of having a different world setup.
Most of writers for the bad ones just focus on masturbating solely to how gary stu and amazing the main character is. The character is either overly generic it makes you uninterested/annoyed, or when they actually do try being creative the character is too over the top and cringey
>>143020943
Every novel I read is foreign. Your point is moot
>>143019029
Fuck having the MCs steamroll everything.
>>143021539
People who use the words overly generic probably don't know what they're talking about or just have shit taste.
>>143021538
>Ubisoft is an example of creative freedom
I'm not saying that at all. In fact I didn't. I used AC as an example of something that was different while being interesting, to me anyways.
>>143021346
That web novel site is basically a race to the bottom for e-peen to try and get noticed by major publishers and secure a lucrative publishing deal.
Does any new light novel author actually get into the game by winning contests and sending manuscripts to publishers anymore or do they just go to narou and try to make Mushoku Tensei Clone #88743?
>>143021426
I'm not just talking about the game being difficult.
The cast in grimgar don't level up with souls or are prone to madness due to a curse of immortality, and the people they meet aren't classy but weird adults speaking proper English, and teenage angst isn't completely nonexistent.
>>143019029
It's a setting, not a genre.
>A scientist in a technologically advanced future setting dedicates his life to achieve inter-dimensional travel to escape it
>he achieves his goal with the help of an assistant and builds a machine that sends him to a fantasy new world
>story follows him trying to construct the same machine in this new world whilst introducing modern knowledge to its inhabitants, and applying his knowledge to the improvement of magic
>becomes a Rasputin figure in the process after being seduced by power, amasses a fantasy army and achieves total domination of the new world
>recreates his machine and travels back to conquer earth too
>however, the assistant he left behind manages to create the machine also
>escapes the scientist's conquest by travelling to ANOTHER new world
>follows the scientist's footsteps and becomes an absolute ruler with his own fantasy army in the second new world
>travels back and the scientist, assistant and the best of their forces mutually destroy each other
>the ACTUAL story follows three diplomats, one from each world, trying to maintain amicable relationships between worlds in the wake of the conflict whilst personally vying for power
>eventually the scientist is resurrected by an inter-world shadow organisation
>the three diplomats and worlds unite to stop him
>a triumvirate is created and harmony is found at last
5 isekai's for the price of one, with a world building and political focus at that.
>>143021618
Just because it's the same genre doesn't make a clone
That's like saying everything is a dnd clone or star wars clone
>>143021539
I think the problem is less creativity and more a problem with "quality"
People loved Re:monsters rank-up system
People thought Mahouka's magic system was creative as hell
People fell in love with the gothic designs of Overlord
Creative concepts abound, but the series waste them all to make their MC an OP Gary Stu with a harem. A novel can go outside the box to hell and back but since they are going to use that creativity to make the MC win at everything forever it falls flat.
Have the author understand human ethos.
>>143019029
>can tell what this is about just from looking at this pic
not sure if this is good or bad
>>143021581
I don't know what overly generic means, how about you define it for me since you seem to be the resident genius.
>>143021656
It's so...boring. Why isn't it anime like?
>>143021579
>moot
who?
I just realized I haven't read Kekkon Yubiwa in months
>>143021720
moot is an actual term you mongrel
>>143021579
>moot
Huh?
>>143021704
Shit taste is incurable, just wanted to let you know, that's all. You won't ever change, so there s no point. No need to shit on the greatest we have just because you don't like it.
>>143021579
yet every Japanese novel you read is an LN
I mean it's not like LN overtook novels in Japan, only people that read it are otaku neckbeards, you think they are the majority?
>>143021759
Unfortunately I think it was dropped.
>>143021789
Hmm?
>>143021786
You don't fucking know me, don't talk about my "shit tastes" like you do.
>>143021789
>yet every Japanese novel you read is an LN
I read a Murakami novel once, didn't see what all the fuss was about though. Also read Battle Royale.
>>143021791
Just found some shit scan outside batoto that stopped at 16.5. Ch18 is translated
>>143019029
What exactly needs saving? It's escapism. Japan work ethic sucks. Best days are when you are in high school since you have no adult responsibilities. All your talents in something useless actually add up to something in the new world. Everyone sucks the MC's dick because he's useful, which what many people relate to because they want to be recognized but can't. It's a questionable formula, but something has to be working if there's a bunch of attention going towards it, right?
Now are you asking what can be done to make it better or are you asking what can done about the overabundance of said stories?
Have it about the MC actually surviving the other world
There's no tension in these series because it always seems the world is giving him a blanket
I don't need edge or grimdarkness just MC having to actually having to adapt and survive in the strange world around him
>>143021125
>the Isekai "genre " has existed for a long time in anime, it just wasn't given that name.
Well, that was point. Exactly because it has existed for such a long time, putting everything in the same group doesn't make sense when we are having a discussion abut "saving it", OP is clearly talking about the features and the problems of modern isekai, not about isekai in general.
>Other examples include Magic Knight Reyearth, Tsubasa Chronicles (kinda), Inuyasha (even though it's supposed to be time travel), Fushigi Yuugi, Digimon (most of the franchise) and that's just naming popular 90s/00s examples.
Anon, everything you listed has different writing style, archetypes, tropes and gimmicks than what we usually get nowadays, and I'm sure you are already fully aware of that.
BTW, it seems that most peple forgot about Ixion DT, which was Takamatsu's take on isekai parody. Can't blame them, many episodes were band, some were bad and it had no budget, but it also had some very good episodes as well. I really wish Takamatsu had put more costant effort in it.
>>143021318
>>143021409
What you defined (minus videogame mechanics) is a harem show
Just because harem shows are now mixing up their stories with Isekai elements doesn't make them a "new and different wave" of Isekai stories.
By your definition Geminar and the Tenchi Muyo Isekais would be "modern" Isekai despite being almost a decade old (over a decade old in the case of "Dual" and potentially GXP) which were, fittingly, harem shows first with Isekai elements.
>>143021966
>no tension
>suggests what we already have
Maybe if you weren't such a shit reader, it would be okay.
>>143021789
Do novellas count?
>>143021993
Whoops, wrong elf
>>143021999
yes yes adapt to the adventures guild and the girls that circle around him
I'm talking of a world were there's no adventure guild and no map of how the world works and operates where the MC will be uncertain on how he'll feed himself let alone defend himself and every place he goes to is completely new to him.
>>143021901
OP wants it to be all about him. It's not escapism to him if it's not perfectly catered. Fucking fags in here, I swear.
Reverse Isekai
A cute elven druid ends up in modern tokyo and has to struggle with shit jobs to survive.
Eventually she resorts to prostitution and gets hooked on heroine. The rest of the story is her complete downfall towards becoming a disgusting meat toilet, tanned, pierced, tattooed and wearing slutty clothing.
Moral of the story? Human society corrupts
>>143020543
>Japanese Salaryman reborned as a Nazi Loli
How the fuck does this work?
>>143022167
I think doujins are more of your thing anon
People say "creativity" but can you really think of what they haven't done before?
I mean most of the suggestions in this thread there's already a Isekai series of them.
>>143019494
This is good, but also:
>characters don't come from our modern world
Would give the reader a bit more immersion from the point of view of that world's natural inhabitant, rather than having a few characters being special snowflakes. Let's face it, reincarnation and summoning has been done to death. There's no real reason a character has to originate from the modern world except from escapism.
>girls don't like the MC for any reason
Would give the series a sense of realism rather than the harem undertone which stems from self-inserting wish fulfillment. Mushoku Tensei is a prime example on why the "every girl lusts for the MC's dick" trope is shit; they all became one-dimensional fuck buddies.
>>143022167
>Reverse Isekai
The demon king is a part timer (and the hero is an office lady).
![--ashiya-shirou-maou-sadao-and-yusa-emi-hataraku-maou-sama-drawn-by-pocho--1a4989b55fddcef65f96047eba356f14[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Z2tJmSP.jpg "ashiya-shirou-maou-sadao-and-yusa-emi-hataraku-maou-sama-drawn-by-pocho 1a4989b55fddcef65f96047eba356f14[1]")
>>143022167
>Reverse Isekai
Season 2 when?
Isekai are shit, this thread is also shit, and the ideas in here are shit. I am also shit, but I'm aware I'm shit so I don't make shit ideas.
>>143022182
your boss was reincarnated as a nazi
but also happens to be female because god hates him
>>143022182
>How the fuck does this work?
Who says rebirth has to be strictly following linear time progression?
>>143022247
90% of people here don't even read that much LN and WN so they have a narrow minded vision. They're pretty much talking out of their ass.
>>143019029
Does the opposite of the Isekai premise exist? Knight/wizard/demon/whatever goes to modern Japan and goes to high school/becomes a salaryman? I'd watch/read that shit.
>>143020953
you're missing the point. shitty light novels have generic student protagonists because that's what the main readers are.
>>143022134
Unless the mc dies in the first vol it take plot armor and asspulls to keep his weak ass alive.
>japanese highschool student dies, and gets reborn by having his soul placed in the body of a Conan like adventurer hero. He goes on misadventures.
>Twist: The adventurer also gets reborn as the Japanese highschool student, and he sets out to conquer the highschool with Barbarian tactics.
>>143022291
That show was amazing.
>>143022399
Gramps, you need to update your info
>>143022425
this sounds like something nickelodean would've done a decade ago as a parody
>>143022303
Having read 4-5 cheap novels less somehow kills all creativity and lateral thought.
I almost didnt reply to so much stupidity.
>>143022368
The devil is a part-timer.
It is great comedy
>>143022368
It is very generic, has been done a million times before.
>>143022368
Go watch Hataraku Maou-sama when you get a chance. Dragon Warrior esque fanstasy world where the demon king gets defeated, so he escapes, and becomes stuck in the real world. So he gets a Job at Not-McDonalds, and see's it as a way to conquer the world.
>it's another complaining about something for the sake of complaining about it with the same arguments getting posted over and over episode
But then again every day is repost day so whatever, have fun rolling in the mud.
>>143022368
That theme park anime has Musket Girl and fantasy characters wind up in this world.
>>143022515
Anyone know what the opposite of generic is?
>>143020543
>Subverting the genre norms is a good place to start.
No, it's fucking not, there's dozens upon dozens of parodies and subversions that all end up reading the fucking same.
>>143022162
> It's not escapism to him if it's not perfectly catered.
Not OP, but, nah, a work can be good while still being escapism friendly, and it can be bad while still pandering to my fantasies.
Escapim itself isn't the problem and it isn't the decisive pro either.
But, I have to agree with >>143021676 >>143022247 >>143022303
>>143022508
Try to reread his post and the previous ones, also count to 10 before posting.
>>143019029
I wish the translation for this wasn't so slow. Anyone read the raws for Isekai Ryourido?
>>143021656
This is VERY CLOSE to being Escaflowne. Isaac Newton teleports to final fantasy land, takes it over, then is stopped by the power of love somehow in one of the dumbest latter halfs of an anime I've ever seen
Any isekai stories about being brought into a more futuristic sci-fi world?Is Spirit Circle considered isekai?
>>143022720
>then is stopped by the power of magical A-bombs
Fixed.
>>143022771
Muv luv
It's some what hard to distinguish any others because authors like to mix sci fi and fantasy.
>>143022638
Something that does not make you feel like you've seen this before. So you can use old ideas, but you need to do it well so the thoughts of the viewers don't start to wander in that direction.
>>143019029
Female MC with yuri harem
>>143022134
Go read fucking Robinson Crusoe or something.
>>143022786
I thought it was because love bullshit and flying out from his portal breaking it? I'm only talking about the series, haven't watched the movies
>>143022838
Exists by the bucketload.
>>143022134
You might be nitpicking too hard on the details
>>143020220
>To be honest "modern equipment vs primitives" is really not that different than hax powers, and it got boring pretty fast, with Gate being the final nail in the coffin for me.
What would interest me more is modern technology being introduced to a society that isn't ready for it.
Would be funny if the MC introduced firearms because his cheat is being a military otaku and he has crafting magic and let's say he is helping one of his haremettes who is the princess of a country to save her country by raising an army for her and arming them with firearms.
But when suddenly any illiterate peasant with a day of training can kill a group of knights trained for years, and suddenly the country is flooded with guns.
In the end the world devolves into bloody chaos as those in power try to use firearms to enforce their reign while the serfs and the workers use firearms to terrorize and raid.
All this because giving these weapons to a society that has no respect for individual human life and liberty is really fucking stupid.
In the end it ends up like those tinpot African dictatorships propped up by crates of old Soviet guns where coups happen every Tuesday and the ones who can pay the most people.
>>143022964
There's a good amount of guntaku isekai and it usually devolves into the same thing of the enemy one upping guns.
>>143022638
"Hasn't been done a lot." "New". "Niche"
I'd pay money for link related as a full series.
http://exhentai.org/g/720177/0396bbc85a/
>>143021993
The videogame mechanics part is the crucial one which is why I listed it at the top. The "cheat" part is also important.
>>143023038
So aim for a very small audience instead of a big audience and hope people notice you? I mean sure why not, right?
>>143023014
>and it usually devolves into the same thing of the enemy one upping guns.
You mean the enemy is stronger than a gun, or they invent a bigger and badder gun?
>>143019029
An adult MC with work skill like cooking, engineering, management etc. and applying those in the new world. This way there is something we can relate to in a completely different setting where either those skills doesn't exist yet or the MC excels and trumps the competition.
>>143022919
Really? I've been missing out big time, they need anime adapatations
>>143023076
Yeah cause Fate Stay Night sure stayed with a small audience for trying something different in their setting.
Being the "first" in something will bring you a shitton of money, especially in a saturated market that craves something new.
Another similar series was Madoka with its "grimdark mahou shoujo" shit, they managed to steal that lightning from Nanoha who didn't capitalize on it properly (too shounen not enough tragedy)
>>143023131
They're stronger than the guns. The MC wll always build stronger guns for his pals, but the big enemy will render them ineffective because a close confrotation is a more enjoyable conflict rather than a complete stomp.
>>143023169
There are alot of those, I think that's in like the top 5 cliches.
>>143023051
>The videogame mechanics part is the crucial one which is why I listed it at the top
I can agree to that to some degree given 80s/90s and even 00s normally didn't feature it minus a few outliers (Digimon and .hack + SAO though those could be considered "modern" then).
>The "cheat" part is also important.
The "cheat" part has always been part of the Isekai genre though, even back in the 80s/90s and 00s.
The MC is almost always gifted with some sort of superpower for being the "hero"/"chosen one" or because of his knowledge of modern technology or some other magical mcguffin.
Digimon, Escaflowne, Inuyasha, Magic Knight Rayearth, Monster Rancher, etc. all have the MC having some power that makes them necessary for the locals to surpass their troubles.
Fuck you all Ultima is best
>>143020105
Your mother is part of the problem for shitting you out.
>>143023233
>They're stronger than the guns. The MC will always build stronger guns for his pals, but the big enemy will render them ineffective because a close confrotation is a more enjoyable conflict rather than a complete stomp.
Well the value of the gun is that anybody can use one after a day or two.
Individually there might be a handful of of bloody S-class adventurer mercenary or legendary wizards who are bulletproof, but these people can't be everywhere at once.
Guns aren't for a half dozen jokers to stomp all the world's adventurers with, they're for raising a huge peasant army.
>>143023407
What is a Paladin?
>>143019029
make a actual plot,a goal to be achieved.
>>143023541
I want to be the very best
>>143023336
>The MC is almost always gifted with some sort of superpower for being the "hero"/"chosen one" or because of his knowledge of modern technology or some other magical mcguffin.
>Digimon, Escaflowne, Inuyasha, Magic Knight Rayearth, Monster Rancher, etc. all have the MC having some power that makes them necessary for the locals to surpass their troubles.
Yeah, but they never described them with the word "cheat" which is inherently linked with the idea that the world is like a videogame.
Furthermore in those stories where the MC is a chosen one in the past they would have to get used to their power and grapple with its responsibility and the power may also be very situational thus giving the hero's companions a real role to play, whereas nowadays it's more common for them to simply stomp everything from day one and the companions' function is just to be amazed at how sukhoi the MC is.
>>143023565
Fuck off
Make one about an outlaw who gets transported by in time to the medieval period and has to fight off an undead horde/demons and thwart the resurrection of a demon king.
>>143023593
Cheat is a meta word, that's why. Even if the character doesn't use it, the readers will.
>>143023336
For Rayearth, the special power was "not from Cephiro so can kill Esmeralda-hime." I guess it's a power, but I'm not really sure it fits.
>>143023593
>Yeah, but they never described them with the word "cheat" which is inherently linked with the idea that the world is like a videogame.
No it isn't.
We just call it "magical mcguffin" and "plot armor" but it's still basically the same concept.
>>143023650
How about one where a modern day priest gets teleported to a fantasy world where gods are real, and this causes the modern day world god to also become conceptualized in the new world, and they aim to spread their religion in this world too.
If you want to give them an OP power for more otaku money, make it so that divine power uses faith as a resource, and the "new god" can take divine power from the old world where there's billions of people believing, while in this new world the whole population is just a million or two.
>>143023866
Fair enough. Given I know Rayearth mostly from the game adaptation (or did it predate the anime) I may have overestimated it given you played as them.
>>143023866
It does fit. It's one of the coolest powers in the book too because it makes you super special.
>>143023967
Pretty sure a nip someplace somewhere has done this.
>>143021383
>>143021437
Thanks, but I've already explored these. Well, with the exception of latern.
Anyone know of any ln/wns that have robot waifus for the mc?
>>143019029
Kill it and all the 14 year old ESLfags who like it.
>>143024120
Reminder that Hitler tried and failed
>>143023674
>>143023872
MCs nowadays literally use the word "cheat" to describe their powers.
>>143024206
>Battle academy haremshit and Isekai LNs/WNs are made by jews
I fucking new it.
>>143024220
>nowadays
>source
>now compare to other sources that don't do it
>realize it's a minority
>>143024044
I won't believe it until I see it.
>>143024220
>MCs nowadays literally use the word "cheat" to describe their powers.
Same difference. Poe-tato-Poh-tato, Rose by any other name, etc. It's the same idea. The MC is underpowered if he was a vanilla human in sci-fi/fantasy world so he gets a superpower/supergadget to not be useless.
>>143019029
Remake American classics but into LNs.
>Pendragon
>Magic Tree House
>Narnia
>>143023986
>It's one of the coolest powers in the book
>Three school girls summoned to another world
>help save this world
>go on a trip to gain the power needed
>turns out the world is only in danger because the princess fell in love, and thus could no longer solely focus on maintaining it
>they were summoned specifically to murder the princess
Doesn't sound like such a cool power to me.
>>143023336
Rayearth feels a bit video gamey at times, actually. It's not like it uses video game mechanics, but the first season progresses a bit like a video game, with how the upgrades work, the need to collect them, and also the complete lack of any real world building, they just follow a road through different challenges, while the world they actually are in lacks any depth at all. It's literally just a road with challenges.
It's far from the typical "trapped in an MMO", but it can feel a little bit video gamey at times.
>>143024520
>American classics
>Narnia
>>143024599
>tfw no trapped in a platformer or trapped in a touhou shooter
>>143022582
amagi brilliant park
>>143024634
Y-you get what I meant
>>143024320
>Elf Tensei Kara no Cheat Kenkoku-ki
>Himekishi ga Classmate! 〜Isekai Cheat de Dorei ka Harem〜
>Isekai Cheat Majutsushi
>Konjiki no Word Master ～Yuusha Yonnin ni Makikomareta Unique Cheat～
These are just the ones that have "cheat" in the title. There are many others that make reference to "cheat" in the body of the text, such as Master of Monster.
>>143024703
You can also add Konosuba to that list, but it's a parody so I guess that's to be expected.
>>143024599
>Rayearth feels a bit video gamey at times,
It was planned as a game at the same time as the anime was being produced IIRC.
The manga predates both by 2 years but given the anime studio produced the cutscenes for the Saturn game I wouldn't be surprised they took a lot of elements from the game for the first season (which came out half a year after the Saturn game).
So weekly LN writing contest anyone?
If you guys have such great ideas, surely it would work out. No need for excuses such as "I can't write" if you have faith.
>>143024397
The powers these days tend to be bigger game breakers than they used to be. It wasn't so much that their power levels were bigger and badder than everyone else but they had a unique capability that is needed, such as the Digivices or Kagome's spirit power. By comparison you have Death March's MC who is given a free meteor shower and reaches level 9999 on day 1, or Overlord's MC who is an endgame skellington in a world where everybody is a lowbie, or Mushoku Tensor's MC who is a demon god of magic power and can cast with his mind, or Arifureta's MC who has the power to asspull a railgun revolver "ten times more powerful than an antimatter gun", or Suterareta where the MC gains superpowers whenever he is killed.
>>143022182
The psychopath was stupid enough to try and cheat/trick God into not punishing him for being a psychopath after God explicitly told him he was reading his mind.
God punished him via going along with his argument and sending him to an alternate universe with a rough equivalent of magical Nazis. It's actually closer to WW1 desu with a tiny conflict snowballing the fuck out of control.
remove the harem. japs can't write harems properly cause it's always comic relief and/or they're central to the story but written terribly. everything has to revolve around the silly love interest and it's always too forced.
mc against the world because everybody is self-interested and it's realistic not because the mc is an emo faggot
mc gets a friend that isn't comic relief and doesn't exist to prove how awesome the shitty self-insert mc is
the mc actually grows and develops as the story goes along
intrigue that's not childish and actually realistic. in a world where might is right then being righteous is just rhetoric for weak
none of this will happen. japanese authors are mostly socially retarded so they've got no idea how people actually are. that's why their characters and worlds are so unrealistic and silly. if you don't know how humans are then how can you write how they'll act? otaku live in their own world. miyazaki mentioned this and it's true. cause they're in an imaginary world they can't express the really human aspects you'd get from a normal author. this reason is why the characters don't have any real development and the interactions with others are always comic while intrigue and drama is forced bullshit.
i gave up on japanese isekai/webnovels. the ones with interesting premise are usually the worst when it comes to writing. i'd rather just read some chinese story cause they got an interesting premise and the writing is on another level compared to self-insert jap crap.
the future is a peaceful utopia where everyone is a vegan.
a wild supercriminal appears.
unable to deal with it, the vegans forcefully summon a badass cop from the past, to kick the criminal's ass and make the bitches wet.
>>143025018
>removing harems
You gay, anon?
>>143025079
Do you really want 5+ girls bitching at you to open jars for them?
>>143025079
it's either slapping and bushing constantly or the mc is just trying to have sex with every girl possible cause he's horny.
in either case the entire story revolves around this stupid shit. there's not any plot, but always time for some blushing or peaking on accident repeated x1000 times. the only harems jap authors can do is when it's comedy with the girls being all drastically different like subarashii but then it's always gag material and even when the author tries to make some actual story outside the harem it's total shit.
>>143025188
It's a fantasy battleharem. They have enough superpowers to open their own jars.
>>143024958
Using a game term: it's "powercreep" but I don't consider it fundamentally different unless you can tell me where you draw the exact line.
>>143025351
Personally, I draw the line at "videogame".
>>143019029
I'd probably enjoy one with a MC who wasn't a cardboard cutout high school kid.
>>143024972
Youjo Senki Vol 6 will be released in July 30
This time, Empire enact Operation notBarbarossa on NotSoviet Russia. Nazi Loli got sent to the Eastern Front
>>143020014
>>143019959
>look mom, look how much i love shitposting
>>143025625
Finally an image where she looks normal
>>143025344
You'd think, but that never seems to work.
maybe one day it will prompt actual writers to make stories with that premise except the Japanese equivalent to fanfic authors
>>143025018
>japs can't write harems properly
who can?
>>143026305
Turks
>no mention of shield hero
I don't think people who force the "LNs are inherently bad" meme even read them. The only bad part is the style in which they're written and that's usually by fault of the idiot translator.
>>143022263
>characters don't come from our modern world
you can't take that out, that's a core part of the genre. It'd just be fantasy rather than isekai without it.
>>143026755
Because it's shit.
>>143022263
>There's no real reason a character has to originate from the modern world except from escapism.
There are actual reasons why the MC could come from the modern world, such as constrasting his(and therefore, modern times) sensibilities and understanding of reality with the ones of the world he find himself in, but sadly that is rare.
>>143026903
They don't. Shtiposters will be shitposters. They can't even name obscure WN and only the mainstream ones.
>>143026903
The majority of everything is kind of shit, plus LNs are basically the equivalent of Young Adult fiction, which is even more shit.
>>143019029
Get rid of the harems and have better set pieces and have less inner monologue to explain the world.
>>143026755
It's not very good.
>>143027681
You probably think "show don't tell" is an absolute rule too.
>>143026903
Well, most ln are very bad.
For isekai, there is not really good stuff around.
Mt is like the only one fleshed out complete fantasy story.
Konosuba is like the only one who is truly funny most of the time.
I guess gate novel also work, still waiting for translations.
Then you get some with good ideas but fall flat in many, many places...
re:monster/slime/kumo/etc start well but all fall in the boring powerplay of Arifu/shieldude/masterword/march turds
re.zero/grimgar alikes are cheap "fake mature" drama for the sake of it
And decent "genre twist" like riku are just bad written...
average writing quality is too low.
>>143027930
>shitpost the shitpost
>>143026903
I read LNs. LNs are not inherently bad, LNs about battle harem academies or isekai with video game rules are inherently bad, and you're a retard for reading them.
>M-Muh translation quality!
All translations are "Acceptable" at best, I read moon.
>>143024074
Indestructible/Unbreakable Machine Doll? She's a magic robot. If you aren't limited to LN/WN there's P3 Aigis.
>>143027930
Please just shut up.
>>143027998
Watching youtube videos in 240p is also acceptable but is that something I want to do? Fuck no.
>>143020397
Dilandau was easily the most interesting character and back story in the whole series.
>>143022671
>all end up reading the fucking same
Then the subversions have become normalized.
Subvert harder.
>>143028043
You do if it's the second best choice
>>143028043
I don't really know what the point of your post is.
>>143027930
>ESL talking about writing
Have the MC suffer and be powerless for 200+ chapters
I kind of feel like half the problem with all these stories is that most LN writers suck at making antagonists, most of them are either a temporary threat to show off how awesome the MC is or are some kind of unforgivable monster that steals candy from babies and murders people to relieve stress.
There need to be more opponents that just have different values and refuse to forsake them or people that are evil because they can be and are just really good at it. The latter being something like an evil noble for example, in most stories they are gonna show how he deserves everything because he had his guards beat up commoners or has some secret dungeon but in a story with depth he could just as easily be a polite and overall friendly guy who also happens to own a massive prison/work camp where the protagonists friends are being held under false charges because they are a threat to his rule and while he is an antagonist his men really don't deserve to die for what he did and the very large majority of the workers are in fact prisoners who are there under crimes ranging from murder to banditry.
>>143028369
People will complain you're dragging shit
>>143028426
Woah, woah, woah. That sounds a lot like moral ambiguity. Japan doesn't do that. All protagonists must be in the right, all their enemies must be wrong. Please leave.
>>143028369
There is any good "mature" chinese fantasy/isekai stuff?
>>143026305
Nobody, it's impossible to write a good story with a harem and that's the problem with the genre nowadays.
>>143025351
Powercreep is on a completely different level than it used to be. MCs tend to humiliate and stomp out anyone who dares stand in their way, often without breaking a sweat. There is no real tension.
>>143020484
> Black Knight, with Martin Lawrence
That's an isekai maybe not done well but interesting
>>143028564
Dunno, there's stuff like Deahgod where no one is right and eating potatoes with your bros is what's most important.
>>143020782
>By fusing it with shojo.
Fushigi Yuugi?
Grimgar was kind of different.
Liked how it handled being a weak shitter and the risk of failing.
Also the morals of fighting the mobs.
>>143028933
It was also completely unexciting
>>143020782
>The goose escapes
You had one job, murrica. The rest of the world only puts up with your bullshit because you keep Canada geese away from them.
>>143019029
Just take the isekai out and have the MC start in his world. Dont know why authors are so obsessed with isekai when it doesnt contribute anything
I just wanna reveal a villain protag series with the same kind of feeling as One Piece pirates (not necessarily the main cast but the non look at me I'm so evil pirates), you know the kind of bad guy that value friends and family and liked by the people they meet but also commit heinous acts and fight against the controlling group. You know wacky hijinks that end with a town on fire and a bunch of dead city guard.
>>143019029
Make something with the other world?
I mean, most of this works win nothing buy being "other world", the character from our world travels theirs and...that's all usually, sometimes even the plot forgets mc is from another world.
You could replace the MC from other world with a villager from that world and would change nothing.
There is absolutely no point in doing other world stuff if the worlds are not going to interact with each other or the main character being from the other world means anything for the plot. Usually it just serves as excuse to explain the character everything.
>>143022425
Well, there is a Isekai with a similar premise (with people switching worlds) by Yuu Watase with Arata.
It's supposedly not very good.
>>143024548
Well, their powers, especially Hikaru's, managed to change the Pillar System in the sequel although the Magic Knights' power wasn't specially made for that.
>>143019355
>Escaflowne is Isekai
Somehow I never thought about it that way. Maybe there's hope for the "genre" yet, if only actual decent, professional authors start tackling it instead of socially retarded neets doing internet fiction.
>>143030024
And getting adapted into manga form by equally amateurish slow and downright subpar artists.
>>143030024
There are a lot series like that, just to name some: 12 Kingdoms and El Hazard.
>>143030248
Yes yes, but we're discussing modern isekai.
>>143030024
The worst ones tend to be web novels that somehow ended up being published by a actual publisher.
When its fanfic.net what do you expect? its not just Japan ... some Star Trek novels are also as God awful for example.
>>143030329
How about Seikishi Monogatari, or is that also too old?
>>143030435
>Seikishi Monogatari
Isn't that the Tenchi Muyo stuff?
>>143030559
Yeah, but Seikishi is basically Isekai.
Instead of being summoned the MC was send to another world, that's it.
>>143030660
It's pretty old then for the purposes of this discussion, anon.
I mean, the reason I had not associated Excaflowne et al with isekai is because they're just not part of the modern avalanche of mostly substandard isekai novels and adaptations.
>>143030738
Except Escaflowne was a mediocre shoujo carried by great mech designs and captain "I fight giant robots on foot with a oversized sword", some of the music was quite good too.
>>143030738
Well, I can't really come up with something new. Only this comes to mind.
>>143030883
That's just like your opinion man.
Make the focus about world-building, drama, and struggles of the hero.
Make an MC that is an active protagonist that doesn't require moe titties to do literally anything with their life
acquire romance along the way if it's a must, and make it a long-running natural progression that is based on their chemistry with the MC rather than harem shenanigans
>>143030964
>Literally engaged to his childhood sweetheart as well as a dozen other total beauties
>Won't fuck any of them for some gay fucking reason, not even his childhood sweetheart
I'm mad as fuck. Manga needs to stop introducing sex as a plot device when they can't come up with a good reason for the protagonist to turn it down.
>>143019688
author was arrested for tax fraud. Doubt NHK will want to work with him again
>>143029796
It was decent.
>>143025969
>>143025625
She looks more jaded than normal
>>143031110
Having the MC fuck more than one of them is just as unrealistic as fucking none of them.
Harems do it because they want to keep the girls pure. They can be flirty or desperate for the D, but they don't want them to be non-virgins.
That's what doujins are for.
More tracksuit wearing protagonists. Slavs are under represented in anime.
>>143031917
>Having the MC fuck more than one of them is just as unrealistic as fucking none of them.
Hardly. The MC LITERALLY BECOMES MORE POWERFUL FROM GETTING CLOSER TO THE PRINCESSES, ALL WHO UNDERSTAND THEY'RE REQUIRED BY FATE TO BE A HAREM.
But let's leave that aside for a moment and say you're correct.
It's mindbogglingly stupid he won't even fuck hime when she was literally asking for it. Fuck you and fuck gay protagonists.
>>143028369
Bullshit, Kuro no Maou went into shit territory when the fairy was introduced. And the bullet arts is bullshit.
>>143030738
Franchise is old but Geminar was made in 2009
and since the series between it was Tokyo, GXP, and OVA3 and after it was Ai it's hard to attach it to the franchise.
What is this obsession about fucking?
>>143019494
Agreed until you mentioned a harem. Get out. You're part of the problem too.
OP, what kind of bullshit are you pulling?
> isekai
> genre
You can't put isekai as a genre because isekai is a sub-genre of Fantasy to begin with.
>>143019029
NO RPG MECHANICS
NO VISIBLE HITPOINTS
NO LEVELS
While suffering from a bout of the dreaded Japanese cold, MC is brought into a fantasy world, and is attacked by a swarm of enemies. Before he can even make a run for it, the enemies are defeated by a spell his arm somehow cast on its own, cast by none other than the cold itself.
The land's magical energy allows that cold to communicate with MC, telling him that it used to be a hero before a vile demon cursed it into its current form and banished it to MC's world. After many years of infecting other people on Earth, it infected him, tapped into his magic potential, and returned to its world with him in tow.
Now the chronically-ill MC explores the world with the overbearing cold, seeking to defeat the demon, break the curse, and finally become healthy.
>>143019029
>What can be done to save the isekai genre?
Save what?
Can you guys watch/read the shit with your brains off?
Is a fucking fantasy
>>143032140
Heh. germs with minds
>>143028909
>blurays never
sadface.jpg
>>143028933
>Also the morals of fighting the mobs.
No such a thing. It was mentioned maybe one time and then completely forgotten. As far as grimgar goes, killing thinking, conscious beings is OK as long as you are paid to do it.
>>143019029
There's nothing wrong with it so there's nothing that needs saving, but I guess that won't stop /a/ from having a 300+ post thread about it anyway.
Easy, we remove OP for saying that isekai is a genre. And start having a true hero's journey with actual struggle. Blessed with something not too strong or not too weak.
>>143031966
Cheeki breeki
Isekai in a Fallout/STALKER inspired world when? I think that'd be a good subversion of the isekai genre. Instead of a fantasy world with magic, it's a post apocalyptic future where the MC needs to work hard to survive.
>>143029079
>it doesnt contribute anything
It could, if done right. Culture clash has great potential for exploration. In particular, our culture clashing with another world's. Unfortunately, due to the low quality of most isekai works, the other world culture is most of the time a copy of ours, at a point in time or another, most are not-middle ages europe.
But isekai stories could explore aspects of our own culture which the author thinks is not right, for example. It has a great potential.
>>143025018
>he thinks elevens can write
yeah, that's why japanese authors are known for producing internationally best selling novels
>>143032129
um
that's not an isekai series
make the scale grander than "I'm an OPMC and I have a harem" bullshit
>>143031966
Subaru is really the mc of the season.
>>143033711
Fucking kill yourself.
Juuni Kokuki
>>143033771
> Being this butthurt over the mc of the season.
Damn.
>>143033919
>Muh totally relatable guy who hates himself because he's autistic like me but has girls fall in love with him because underneath it all, he's a good guy, and he's actually retarded and can't move the plot forward
>>143033964
> Totally relatable.
Self-insert faggot.
>>143033964
I only count two. One is mentally 14 years old and the other one is slightly yandere. Three if you count the insane immortal witch.
>>143019029
>isekai
You can play your part by not using some weeb definition of it.
>>143034069
The mental 14 year old doesn't really understand love. So count that out.
>>143030024
isekai / reincarnation wet dreams are the quickest way for NEETs to self-insert and feel accomplished, let us have our guilty pleasure.
No other form of fiction reaches the levels of wank as these web novels.
>>143025018
>i'd rather just read some chinese story
don't do this to yourself anon, you know english, just read an actual book.
>>143034571
Guilty pleasures don't need to be low quality.
>>143019029
http://www.novelupdates.com/series/ascendance-of-a-bookworm/
Make more LNs like this.
What was the last isekai you read?
>lazy dungeon master
>>143031110
>Literally engaged to his childhood sweetheart
They're not just engaged. They're actually officially married.
They're madly in love, they're married, they're wildly attracted to each other, he jumped through a dimensional portal to be with her, and having sex with her might just save the world.
And yet, they still haven't had sex.
Honestly, WTF? or WTNF?
>>143031017
it is also the correct one
>>143034986
Oh hell no, that loli is a selfish little brat that only cares about books. Nothing more than that.
>>143035018
>They're actually officially married
doesn't mean much in a series with polygamy. they may as well be fuck buddies and it wouldn't change much.
Please name some genuinely bad isekai. I noticed that I like many of them (Konosuba, Overlord, Re:Zero, heck people are even mentioning Muv Luv here and it's awesome)
>>143034829
I agree, it'd be nice if we'd actually get a story that has properly written character interactions (instead of shit like shieldbro where the self-pity pandering is just too much) and realistic struggles instead of future-knowledge being automatic technology win.
but I guess people who can actually write wouldn't want to have premises like that in the first place.
>>143034986
that actually sounds interesting
but ive been betrayed by interesting sounding premises before.
>>143035018
it's obviously propaganda crap to keep grorious nippon weak with low birth rates
who is behind this i wonder
>>143035103
And that's why I like her, pure fucking autism in the face every obstacle despite being in the shittiest body in the world. Her papyrus and clay tablet plans failing is just the cherry on top.
>>143035257
Strange Dawn? I dunno. All that stood out for me were the foot fetish fairies.
>>143035257
>Please name bad ones
>I like eating shit though, so the bad ones don't count as bad
>>143035298
It's cute and the only story like that I've ever tried to read which has some focus on the hygiene difference.
>>143019029
More 500 yen novels about fat otaku getting ran over by a truck and waking up in a fantasy world surrounded by cute fantasy girls.
>>143028570
What is "mature"?
>>143034069
That's an ingenious way to solve the "MC too retarded for love" problem. Make the girls retarded as well.
10/10 would shit talk the LN on baka tsuki forums again.
>>143035298
It features the consequences of what happens if you don't dry your clay before baking it.
>>143032445
The world's next best seller.
>>143033919
>mc of the season.
Sakamoto?
>>143035403
such hardworking people
>>143019029
My hatred of the Genre is making me want a story where the MC basically goes to different worlds and kill the isekai MC shitters.Basically like the ending of Shield Hero
>>143035653
Multiple already exist and they're pointless edgy drivel.
The real question is why aren't you guys writing your own fantasy webnovels
>>143035729
If I want a good fantasy I would just read western stuff like pratchett
>>143035653
It is truly disgusting.
I imagine this is what happens when you combine the urban fantasy diarrhea Western women read with YA self insert "the cutest smartest girl falls in your lap" shit you get recommended on Goodreads.
Top quality literature.
>>143035516
> MC too retarded for love.
> Girls are retarded.
>>143035653
that would be an interesting idea
where you have the typical isekai type transported self insert power fantasy type
but he is the antagonist but with all the plot armor of his genre or whatever
and so the protagonist has to figure out just how do you beat someone that basically has god on his side.
>>143035843
>people enjoy things I don't
>better get huff-puff about it on my favorite imageboard
>>143035257
Atelier Tanaka
Death March
World Teacher
Konjiki no Moji Tsukai
Gunota
Arifureta
Yobidasa Reta Satsuriku-sha
Kumo Desu ga
Maken no Daydreamer
Kuro no Maou
Kamigoroshi no Eiyuu to Nanatsu no Seiyaku
Sendai Yuusha wa Inkyou Shitai
We have to make series that is warfare and a mc that is female. No isekai (unless it's Youjo Senki).
>>143035936
>Atelier Tanaka
I don't know why but the salt levels of the MC makes me like this series
>>143035257
Re: Zero has decent worldbuilding, though. And a worth-mentioning hero's journey (that is better than alot of other isekai mc development).
>>143036030
This is what he looks like?
He doesn't look ugly. He looks unbelievably normal.
There's a manga that just started this week about a girl who dies in a plane crash while going to do some volunteer work overseas and ends up in a fantasy world. Maybe it will do something interesting.
>>143036022
We also need fucking translations, how bloody long has it been since the last update.
>>143019029
Tons of things, mostly keeping the the setting the author attempts to setup in the first FUCKING place. For example, if the MC says he'll work harder in his next life, maybe consider not having literally everything handed over to him, yknow? Maybe he should start as a cripple with average and less-than-average aptitudes in everything instead of being a super megagenius who stumbles upon legendary artifacts every 5 seconds because then there's no work involved. Maybe if it took the MC 20 years to actually become good at something, and something reasonable such as a profession like blacksmithing or baking, or if you insist on action, a squire or something like that, it would be worth considering a read.
>>143036030
> Tanaka the wizard
> Wizard.
I can see why.
>>143032129
I have to ask, even though it was deleted.
Didn't /a/ come up with this idea? Like seriously, wasn't it?
>>143036159
Meet our hero.
>>143019029
OK, here's how it works:
ALL of the Japanese high schoolers are transported to a parallel alternate world. Since they don't speak the language, don't know the customs, and don't know any magic, they are pretty much unwanted refugees.
A single main character with intelligence and charisma tries to unite all the Japanese high schoolers together to re-create an ideal Japanese society. He fails. In the aftermath, they are hated and oppressed until they are fantasy jews.
At this point it's basically code geass without all the robots.
>>143036196
Psycho san needs to hurry the fuck up.
New GOBLIN SLAYER when?Oh right yen press. I guess never.
>>143036223
Just some samples while I'm posting the best wizard.
>>143036223
>story by broccoli
>illustration by S&M
>>143036213
Guy simply doesn't want to lose his virginity to used goods and I have to respect that, now if only it actually got translated.
>>143036223
I could already hear the OOOOOOOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO from that girl on the top right.
Just make MC not the autistic otaku who gets transported. Make the Otaku into the villain as they turn to their fucked up ntr elf fantasies, after they become the king of the world with their gun/magical maggufin
>>143036223
Dem titties. Did they beat the dragon?
>>143036234
Look like one of them washed up old music teachers but in reality he's a genius mangas. Ugly still doesn't come up in mind.
>>143036378
>>143036367
No clue, I just grabbed sample images.
>>143036331
Posting sluts.
>>143036367
Nah, Tanaka is anything but a genius, anything he knows he got from little girl google or that musty old book he found in his attic.
>>143036414
That's all I have from the second volume.
>>143036268
http://www.ganganonline.com/contents/goblin/
>2016.07.14
Or in a week if someone gets YP again.
>>143035298
It's good enough that at least you can say you enjoyed it at the start.
>>143036424
This the Lt and noble girl the Captain playboy was banging right?
>>143036223
>Buncololi
>>143022964
>But when suddenly any illiterate peasant with a day of training can kill a group of knights trained for years, and suddenly the country is flooded with guns.
Even during the 18th century it was still possible for cavalry to be a significant threat to musketeers. The idea that firearms rapidly changed the playing field is historically wrong.
>>143036469
but thats like the worse
its what happpened with overlord.
it looked like it was going in one more intresting direction at the beginning, but ended up just being the same crap dressed up.
> TFW imperfectluck is in China and they blocked Wordpress. Now the third volume will never get done...
>>143035914
>where you have the typical isekai type transported self insert power fantasy type
>but he is the antagonist but with all the plot armor of his genre or whatever
That's basically Konosuba.
>>143021314
Fuck, but this applies for every genre. Some good isekai anime will appear, and so will happen with other genres, I'm not losing my hopes.
>>143036331
The artist is GOOD for my dick
>>143036453
A bit from the first volume while I'm at it.
>>143032445
Sounds like SMT the LN
>>143036683
This >>143036424 a bit bigger.
>>143019765
You mean like underwater ray romano or muvluv where MC was using his virtual on skill to revamp their current cockpit input?
>>143028872
Don't mind these shit eaters. It's probably because they release 1 chapter every 100 years.
>>143036591
>Konosuba
never watched it but promo material shows a guy surrounded by cute girls
so is he the antagonist?
>>143035653
I had an idea for that. There would be a transdimensional organization containing good heroes that hunts down bad isekai heroes.
>>143035741
Then put it on where?
>>143036577
I'm more upset about no more Eliza.
>>143020484
That novel is responsible for a million wrong ideas about the middle ages. I couldn't think of a worse piece of shit.
>>143036748
He's got no special starting powers and he ends up sleeping in a barn that reeks of horse shit for half a season. There are other typical isekai heroes that exist in the world.He robs one of them and pawns of his lolmagichax sword in one episode.
>>143036683
Random noble, random barmaid, lesbian knight, our hero and a pretty boy and his sluts, yeah, this stuff is gonna be a wild ride.
>>143032449
Good point anon. All the crap made isekai meaningless to me
>>143036729
That's all of volume one I have.
>>143036734
Lastest manga chapter should be anytime soon, Vol 5 comes out late august
>>143036683
The way the hero dress, he looks like an operator.
>>143036770
You are responsible for a million shitposts in 4chan. I couldn't think of a worse piece of shit
>>143036897
Did lesbo pee herself? What's the context?
>>143036683
at least they're not all wet for the MC
>>143019029
Drop the hero in a Shadowrun campaign. Everything he hated about modern Japan gets turned up to eleven, and all the magic stuff exists mainly to fuck over the average man or for use in combat. Elves are snobby racists who won't put out for a sweaty NEET any more than human women do. Becoming a metagaming minmaxing munchkin is the only way for him to survive, but no amount of raw firepower can stop random turns of events from fucking you over in Shadowrun so it's not just a roflstomp cakewalk.
>>143032129
wow the animation looks so good in the OP, then a major let down.
Was hoping for a show similar to Cafe of Eden in quality and length.
>>143036257
YOU need to get off your lazy ass and maybe contribute to helping the translation come along instead of whining over not getting to suck your mom's tit.
>>143036818
yeah that doesn't sound at all like what I'm talking about
in fact the guy sounds a lot like the isekai type protagonist just dressed up to make him not look like one in the beginning
>>143036965
Guy broed it up with the lesbo in the red light district when they both went to fuck a chick before going to commit suicide via dragon, haven't seen that stuff before anywhere.
>>143035936
I genuinely didn't know what bad writing was until I read 20 chapters of Gunota.
>>143037138
Worse than the DxD LNs? Because that takes some doing.
>>143036532
You clearly have shit taste to begin with and apparently didn't understand anything going on in overlord from the start. it's exactly the same as it started.
>>143036999
>MC uses knowledge of essence to go HAM with implants
>Tells himself it's fine as long as he has just a little left>It's not fine
>Genres: Horror
>>143036532
>not liking spooky skeleton making friends with random old men
>>143036760
Maybe make a new site?
>>143037180
I can dig it.Second arc: original MC burned his last bit of Essence to kill a dragon and is now a marauding cyberzombie. New isekai schmuck is dropped in to stop him.
>>143037138
>20 chapters
My condolences.
>>143037158
Managed to force myself through 4 volumes of DxD before giving up, I was just so bored reading it all.
>>143036754
On the web.
>>143037158
It was worse.
>>143037389
I went through it thinking that it had to get better there was no way anyone could like this otherwise.
Then it got worse.
>>143025625
>>143025969
What about notStalin?
>>143037334
In order for that situation to happen, the MC would need to somehow acquire extremely advanced adaptable nano augmentations. Both because something that strong is the only way to kill a goddamn dragon, and because that's the only kind of implant that could augment you mid fight and cause essence loss.
You could also do something special regarding which part of his remaining organic body is the straw that breaks the camels back when he replaces it.
>>143037546
>>143037477
Well then.
>>143037741
>In order for that situation to happen, the MC would need to somehow acquire extremely advanced adaptable nano augmentations.
Anon. This is a metagaming isekai MC we're talking about here. It would be weird if he DIDN'T get his hands on those at some point.
>>143027976
>i don't agree so it's a shitpost
>>143028082
The point is I'm not eating shit just because it's "acceptable" to someone with zero standards.
>>143019029
Idk, it's too saturated. So many WN/LNs about it, it's ridiculous.
Problem is, the authors always run out of good stuff to write, but continue writing anyway.
>>143037824
did you even read his post? it's atrocious. even 4chan has standards about posting.
>>143019029
Almost none of the MCs use whatever they learned in the modern world to apply it to the world they get transported in. Even if they did, it's only in the beginning to make things interesting in the early chapters. Then gets dropped pretty quickly
>>143038018
I meant the post he was replying to, which was perfectly reasonable.
>>143038069
That's because isekai authors themselves are not usually smart enough to know cool things the MC could do to bootstrap tech development, or how to research those things to write about them.
>>143038069
>Almost none of the MCs use whatever they learned in the modern world to apply it to the world they get transported in
Risou no Himo Seikatsu
Jesus fucking Christ. I never thought I could lose hope in a work so fast.
>>143038069
The MC in bookworm does it all the time and sidelines it all because BOOKS.
>>143038202
Guy just wanted to chill, not become the next Tesla, why his idea of chilling was to bring fucking idol concert and futball DVDs I don't know.
At least Kumo's started again after a 3 month hiatus.
>>143037089
Yes/no.
He's a parody character so he actually ends up far more balanced. The most he generally contributes is planning and trying desperately from keeping his party of retards from going full retard only to watch everything go full retard anyway. He's not really much better than the idiots that surround him really.
>>143036760
>>143036577
GODDAMNIT
>>143036683
How am I supposed to self-insert when the MC is this ugly?
>>143037089
He's not really trying to save the world or anything. He just wants to chill and hook up with a girls. He's also generally kind of a dick. Makes it fun to watch, novels get more into the harem romance but there's only peusdo harem in the anime so far (0 romance, plenty of perversion though).
>>143038710
You should be fine then.
>>143019029
Need to combine Isekai, survival with invested character deaths, mystery, last boss anti-hero, and subtle harem.
please rate.
>>143035653
yeah but the problem is that the MC of that novel would himself turn into an obnoxious OPMC
he who fights monsters
>>143035936
>Atelier Tanaka
but that's the type of novel people keep saying they want
>ugly
>no girl likes him
>those who do are fucking other guys
>>143038947
So are the girls who like him just huge sluts and he's holding out for a pure waifu?
>>143037890
problem is, most of the time the author only has a hook but no substance
somehow some of these people still manage to get published into an LN.
Out of all these type of LN's Death Flags is the only one I enjoy reading.
>>143035936
>Kumo Desu ga
wat?
>>143038901
Make him like Hei, just do it because its his job kinda guy
>>143039018
Otome reincarnation series seem to be the only Japanese WNs I can stomach for the most part
though part of me kinda wish for a "you can't escape fate" entry of that premise for morbid curiosity sake
>>143039076
that'd make him a Rou or Tatsuya-type OPMC
meaning he'll be worse
>>143019029
>tfw everything is isekai except Amber
>>143037857
Do you even understand what the point of my post was?
>>143039183
So what's your favorite Isekai, /a/?
>>143038136
>bootstrap tech development
even harder to write an interesting and realistic way to do it instead of just suddenly pulling a gun out of their ass with magic because the MC memorized gun designs as a NEET.
that's the problem with web novels, not many people are going to do hardcore research for what is really just fanfiction-tier crap, and if they do end up being popular enough to warrant an LN, there's only so much editing can fix before it's a different story.
Manga does have similar future-knowledge stories though that are actually well-researched, i.e. Jin
>>143039252
Long Live Summons
Kung-fu Pokemon with dick-ass OPMC
>>143039046
Yes. It's shit.
>>143039183
I haven't read those in ages, but wasn't it really early on that Corwin found out that he was actually from Amber and the drive of the series him picking up the pieces until he got back on track with the kind of schemes he was up to in his prime?
>>143039252
Muv Luv Alternative.
>>143034986
it had a surprisingly good start, but then the protag goes pants on head retarded.
for someone who supposedly reads a lot, she has no practical knowledge other than how to cook and make hand crafts. don't know if I can keep reading it if she keeps it up.
>>143039183
I only know about this from the roguelike that is set in its universe. Of course, I'm guessing the book series doesn't contain Dio Brando, The One Ring, Metal Babbles, or a serpent of chaos that defends itself by rapidly vomiting out oceans of summoned creatures.
>>143039378
She has the knowledge, not the practice or skills
>>143039252
A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court
>>143039378
>for someone who supposedly reads a lot, she has no practical knowledge
if all one reads is fiction than why would that be a surprise?
>>143039006
Basically.
>>143039102
There's that Sorry oniisama thing that Este did a short preview of where the heroine is doing her damndest to make the plot of the novel happen, which is basically suicide considering she dies at the end of it and she's aware of it. Duke's daughter takes place in what's basically the postgame but I'm not sure if that's what you want.
>>143039252
Evil God Average or Lazy King.
>>143039378
Watching her plans blow up in the face as she's slowly dying of magic cancer is fun though.
>>143039102
>Otome reincarnation series seem to be the only Japanese WNs I can stomach for the most part
It's still fucking boring and the MC is charmless.
>>143020444
In fact Warlock showed me why some of these premises don't work
the fact that they give the MCs late-game benefits of their abilities at the first chapter
His AI chip gives him the edge over his peers but he has to process information that is not easy to get to get the full benefits of that advantage. If it was a Japanese LN his AI chip would show him every single spell ever and have him build new unique spells in seconds, but instead not only does forming spells take a long time even with the AI (just a lot shorter and efficient than normal) Working with missing information is actually dangerous.
what would happen if other series had that balance? That your MMO MCs was reset to Level 1, That even though magic and programming are the same you have to actually know the language first and most of it is lost, that even if you copy the abilities the people with more experience are better at using it and that being at level 1 it's not that strong nor will level up quickly you the person has to make do. Building modern tech is a slow detailed process that might not always have the expected result nor always have the more positive reactions.
really the main thing I want in WNs is balance. To make the MC competent and strong but not a god-level character out of the box.
>>143039520
>Lazy King
Unconventional as hell. The Mc doesn't do anything and the story still goes on. Where it's heading though, I don't have a fucking clue.
>>143039547
Don't worry. That will get fixed as she slowly becomes the Mary Sue she's destined to be.
I swear it's just one guy making these isekai b8 threads.
>>143039582
MC is literally a Mcguffin
>>143019029
the only value I see in isekai is applying modern ideas to a more basic society, otherwise it's just a run of the mill fantasy story.
I think of it more as backwards science fiction, instead of seeing how new ideas affect our society, it's about how our ideas affect old societies.
of course basically no authors have been pulling this off consistently.
>>143039558
boring maybe
but the MCs are charming as fuck
>>143039417
>invents a machine gun and such out of his ass
the tech bullshit is as shallow as any other web novel where the MC accelerates technology conveniently.
>>143039582
We need a part 3.
>>143039685
Name one.
>>143039710
Kenkyo
>>143037520
>anon writes one
>no one cares since it's not Japanese
>>143039707
Pretty sure it's over though.
Author is writing something else now.
>>143037660
Still wants to give the D to NAZI LOLI
>>143039795
Yeah, well Leigie did basically finish his story, what everyone else does is whatever to him, sleeping and being lazy is more important.
>>143019029
Holy shit ANOTHER isekai thread and it even hit the bump limit.
Do most people who post here even read the narou WNs? or they're just filthy casuals like>>143019208
>>143035741
I'm writing one of two partners, a hot-blooded adventurer and her cowardly perverted sidekick, traveling a fantasy world in a search for fortune and wonderevery character in that world is a futanari and even the monsters are futanari monster girls.
>>143039854
They're basically stealth WN/LN threads half the time, because /a/ wants to talk about them but the mods won't let them.
>>143039694
Of course it was unrealistic as fuck. The story was about contrasting the past with the present. The MC was literally an embodiment of the present.
>>143039657
The politics in that is pretty pitiful though. Everything goes too well for the MC despite the author trying to convey it as a struggle for him. Even if the king was a pushover, there should have been much more opposition against the MC taking over the crown, maybe some castle staff being coerced to assassinate him.
I have the same problem with Duke's Daughter. The development is too abridged/shallow.
>>143039854
I read all that happen to be translated
most of them suck ass
>>143039852
Though the church and all that shit is a big bomb to be dropping on the last chapter. It did get publish so maybe he might continue it there.
>>143039913
Ayy I'm enjoying this series. The Kain chapters are pretty fun.
>>143039913
I try to make threads on /jp/ but no one is there
can someone make a thread there and link it here?
>>143039913
>>143040019
What series? Image search is failing me.
>>143039570
>That your MMO MCs was reset to Level 1.This happens in Shieldbro vol 8. Naofumi ends up in Glass's world after defeating the spirit turtle. This has an effect of changing his class to 'Otherworld Shield hero" unlocking the 'shield of beginnings' and resetting his level and stats to lvl 1. He does not take the news wel
>>143039974
Yeah that's kinda the thing, it might all sound important but to Leigie it's lower on the totem pole than just lazing around doing nothing and he's the protagonist even if the viewpoint keeps shifting around like in a Narita novel. I'd like to see Pillow-chan and Greed again so I'll keep hoping.
>>143040019
Poor ninjaman, guy is like a robot in a Asimov novel, trying to not explode from getting logic-bombed all the time.
>>143040077
I'll live my second life, pic related is the protagonist and her sister.
>>143039959
yeah, authors almost always butcher politics, anything related to geopolitics is just way too complicated for someone that specializes in putting words together nicely.
on the other hand, modern strategy and psychological knowledge is as much as an advantage as modern weapons and technology. it is a bit of a stretch but not enough for it to get in the way for me.
What's the English equivalent of that narou website?
>>143040077
I'll live my second life
>>143040098
>Poor ninjaman, guy is like a robot in a Asimov novel, trying to not explode from getting logic-bombed all the time.
That's a really good description of him. He wouldn't have to worry about that shit if the King wasn't such a fucking asshole.
>>143040159
>her
they're both female?
>That one Isekai where the guy has no powers but he's "smart" because he studies to govern
>But his "smarts" are literally the most basic common sense and every other character is a fucking idiot who worships him for it
>Oh mummies are discriminated again but if you remove bandages they look like 100% cute humans.
>Vampires a good boy, they dindu nuffin
How this shit got an adaptation is beyond my imagination
>>143040176
Royalroad or something. There's also random stuff hosted on places like oniichanyamete or krytykal's blog.
>>143040193
Yeh, our protagonist isn't exactly well-endowed.
>>143039252
does this count?
it gets a bit stale though in the later books
>>143040193
No.Yes
>>143040273
>Diminishes in quality
Sounds like an Isekai to me.
>>143026903
Translating is a goddamn pain
Making it not sound completely retarded is even more so
http://pastebin.com/ADZ8rRWv
>20,000 characters for the Prologue alone
You know what, fuck this shit
>>143040263
whats the name of it, i want to check it out
>>143040263
>But his "smarts" are literally the most basic common sense and every other character is a fucking idiot who worships him for it
have mercy on the author, if he was smart then he wouldn't be writing shit but be a doctor or something instead
>>143040323
>86.If we're both male it shouldn't be a problem, I might get a little turned on though.
wat
>>143040269
I see...thanks.
Nowadays I'm only reading Chink novels. The MC at least has more ambition and goals than "just live a peaceful life" and the the series has a lot more balance and development.
Usually your OPMC would be able to defeat someone 5 levels higher than him, but that doesn't really matter since the people he'll inevitably piss off is 20 levels higher than him which he won't get to for 100 chapters.
Lot more entertaining then the guy who can kill dragons by the first chapter.
>>143040319
I don't know if it exactly diminishes in quality, it just gets boring because it ends up focusing more on how the early-modern society is adapting to the Americans rather than the Americans just steamrolling everyone everyday.
I think it's a good direction instead of staying as a power fantasybut it bores me. I'm sure the writing and plot itself is also to blame and not just my shitty taste since I recall some things being silly or just dragged on too much.
>>143040492
I'd rather shovel more random isekai nonsense down my throat than endure more pill popping cultivation nonsense that just keeps going forever with no end in sight.
>>143040526
that description really sounds like Gate to me
Why can't Japs write normally like Western authors? Or is it the fault of the translator?
>>143040191
I hope they don't give him some sort of bullshit retroactive redemption excuse. I hate him as a person and all but I did quite like when Fii realized he was a dick despite not knowing who he really was.
>>143040572
Perhas its because a fucking different language altogether
>>143039394
>Of course, I'm guessing the book series doesn't contain Dio Brando, The One Ring, Metal Babbles, or a serpent of chaos that defends itself by rapidly vomiting out oceans of summoned creatures.
The Amber books actually DO contain all that, only not directly in the text.
>>143040583
I read Brave Story and A Book of Heroes and they both have acceptable writing.
>>143040492
>Chink novels
I turn away all that crap since I have this impression that they're all going to be pretty uncreative or just jarring to western audiences in general considering China's society. Like I can't imagine how a Chinese web novel would even do humor. It having to go through an awkward translation certainly doesn't help, at least japanese web novels feel like they're actually written by real people (most of the time) instead of robots
im sure im being really discriminatory here but for the record I did live in Hong Kong & Macau for a bit, occasionally crossing the border over to Guangzhou.
>>143040552
only MGA fills like too much with the pill-popping
though these series tend to have a lot of padding.
>>143040618
Amber's pretty rad, though the Merlin books aren't as strong.
>>143039378
I presume that she usually just reads something once and then moves onto the next book. That's a bit different from actually studying the contents of each and every book. She might have a clue on how things work in the back of her head but she wouldn't end up being an expert or being able to remember enough for practical use.
>>143019996
Took you fucking long enough.
>>143040559
Gate has way too much YAMATO DAMASHII in it. At least 1632 actually has the america fuck yeah toned down since they're just a small redneck town transported back in time with some but limited infrastructure. They're in a position where they can actually get wiped out despite their guns unlike GATE where there was never a sense of danger from the start with their logistics.
>>143031054
So be more like the shield hero?
>>143028426
Nip writers aren't anywhere near as bad as chinks when it comes to cartoonishly evil one-shot villains.
Xianxia is filled to the brim with total douchebags that try to kill the MC at the drop of a hat for "disrespecting" them only to get blown the fuck out by the "wise and benevolent" (but really a hypocritical fuckhead) MC while a crowd oohs and aahs around them.
>>143039959
>>143039657
I personally find it entirely hilarious that he's using The Prince as a strategy book/guideline when the book is a satire describing how to utterly fuck up at rulership enough to be killed by everyone around you as a fuck you to said prince.
>>143040655
>jarring to western audiences in general considering China's society.
basically it operates like Hokuto no Ken
survival of the fittest world where the minions oppresses people for shits and giggles until the MC kills them off.
>>143022298
Considering it's a strangereal universe with magic, continuality has nothing to do with it.
>>143040578
York is dense, like pretty much every other dude in this besides super crossdresser and Kain, can't wait for the reveal. I mean just look at this asshole.
>500 posts for the bump limit is not enough
Shieeeet
>>143032037
It is realistic.
Adult virgins is a meme.
>>143040828
Do I have to introduce you to the gaggle of 30+ year old virgins I know?
>>143040858
Don't bring 3D into this
>>143040760
Not hypocritical at all
they operate under this logic
>>143040807
Dense is a nice way of putting it. I can't really think of many other characters so "dense" and rude that they nearly spark and international war because they aren't capable of being nice to a little girl.
I also wonder why he never said (while as York) that he was married as a warning to the maids instead of purposefully being a dick all the time. That would have worked far better.
>>143040097
I hope the LN makes Glass into a heroine.
>>143032445
M8 the Russians are already writing shitty isekai novels themselves. There's guaranteed to be a Stalker one in there since that was the previous big craze prior to isekai.
>>143040858
They have either fucked a fat chick or gone to a whore (maybe both). Don't believe everything your friends say.
>>143040683
even if someone did actually study "useful" books, I imagine most people wouldn't be able to do shit anyways since that knowledge would pertain to infrastructure that would not exist in that period.
Heck, if you asked most people here what the components for gunpowder is, not many would know, let alone the proper proportions or how to even obtain them. Guncotton is better anyways.
>>143040578The King doesn't actually love Fiiru. He was best friends with the guy who loved her and he was assassinated. So he marries Fiiru to protect her. He has Kain watch Fii to make sure she isn't trying to kill Fiiru but he also doesn't really give a shit about the investigation. So even though Kain is 100% sure Fii is not bad, the King doesn't give a shit and won't hear the results. Fiiru really wants to see her sister and the king keeps on promising her that she'll see Fii once the investigation is over.In conclusion, fuck the king.
>>143040987
Jesus fuck. I didn't think he could end up as a worse person than he already was.
>>143040655
Actually Japanese MCs are more robots compared to the chink ones
WN MCs usually have no ambition, speaks in honorifics no matter who he's talking to, and always spouts how Japanese he is and is all about Japanese values.
Xianxia series are all about usurping god, when they don't respect someone even at higher level they go out of their way to insult, threaten, and eventually kill them. When someone transfers to the other world they assimilate to that world almost instantly and rarely mention Earth or China at all.
>>143040683
I don't buy it. she's supposed to be 22 when she died? your common high school education should be enough to bring humanity out of the dark ages but she's obsessed with finding something to write on. just making some sheets from wood pulp or tree bark should be enough for her.
the hard part would be precise machinery or petroleum products if she ever gets that far.
>>143040918
Yeah, York is something alright, pissing off your own female ninjas and making the guy you tasked with watching over your second wife that you don't even know how she looks like get ulcers every day isn't exactly nice.
>>143041033
Yeah, he's fucking awful.I was happy to find out that her sister is actually the good person she seems to be and she's very worried about Fiiru.
>>143041042
>WN MCs usually have no ambition, speaks in honorifics no matter who he's talking to, and always spouts how Japanese he is and is all about Japanese values.
So he's a weeaboo? No wonder they're popular on /a/. That takes like three neurons for most /a/nons to self insert as.
>>143040759
Shield hero is pretty much that except for the harem shennanigans. Though the harem shennanigans aren't so bad, but i don't really give a shit about harems and shit in the writing.
>>143040977
Maine tried to make papyrus and clay tablets, the first one was simply too hard for her while the second exploded in her face because she forgot to let the things dry.
>>143040942She and other two heroes from her world assist in taking down the spirit turtle. At least that's what the illustrations show
>>143040764
I was thinking more of sterile writing rather than things like that (which is here and there in western mediums as well).
>>143041042
Chink MCs are all hypocritical, megalomaniac assholes though and that gets boring fast.
>>143041154
So typical Chinese men, then.
>>143041053
Possibly. Except there's one big problem. She's 100% obsessed with trying to read instead. It's not that she couldn't if she really really tries. It's that she doesn't give half a fuck enough to apply whatever HS knowledge she has or even remember that she has it. If she brings out a revolutionary invention/discovered it's going to be offhandedly and almost accidental while the person that realizes the depths of what she just revealed begs her to explain further as she ignores them to read a new book.
>>143041154
They're also obsessed with pills.
>>143041143
Most Xianxia series are pretty generic
read one and you've read most of them
>>143041053
Mate, the average 22 year old has trouble remembering where their clothes are.
>>143041154
Japanese MCs clearly don't understand why the entire planet got pissed off at Japanese warcrimes in WWII. Not arguing. Just adding an additional fact.
>>143041173
You think "communist Confucius asians" and you think "obedient robots"
but Xianxia MCs and their world are the complete opposite, if the government/clan/order/etc tries to oppose the Xianxia MC he'll just wipe them out men, women, and children.
>>143041154
>hypocritical, megalomaniac assholes
That reminds me, i hope the author of shield bro doesn't end up scrapping the new seven sins arc where naofumi becomes a megaloaniac after unlocking a shield by doing all the new seven sins through all the way through the story until that point.
>>143040323
>A horse-drawn carriage rumbled forward draped in the morning sun stretching over the wasteland's horizon.
Just the first sentence would flow even better with the addition of a comma or a single "that", like this, for example
>A horse-drawn carriage rumbled forward draped in the morning sun that stretched over the wasteland's horizon.
or
>A horse-drawn carriage rumbled forward, its frame draped in the morning sun that stretched over the wasteland's horizon.
But yeah, 20k characters for a prologue is pretty huge, I think. I once translated something that ended in 40k and almost killed myself.
>>143041042
>Actually Japanese MCs are more robots compared to the chink ones
I guess I'm thinking more of the variety of stories there are.
When I search for chinese novels, just about everything I find has to do with martial arts. I already remember very few that isn't (I don't even remember the name anymore, the one with military people slipping back in time or something), and I couldn't even stomach the writing/translation.
>>143041254
though they're not Confucius as much as Taoist
Taoism is basically Chinese hedonism (and where the word ki/qi/chi came from).
>>143041244
Yeah, that shit is pretty noticeable too, "Jap warcrimes? Never heard of them, the Japanese are the most peaceful people on earth" pops up rather often.
>>143041254
Communism and Confucianism are useful in China as a counterbalance to Chinks' natural behavior. Think of the Vulcans from Star Trek: they adopted logic and meditation because they had mood swings like a pregnant teenage girl and almost destroyed their entire civilization beforehand.
>>143041254
Somebody said this in another thread:
>As shitty as elevens' self-insert fantasy is, it's still better than chink self-insert fantasy.
>pills pills pills
>you looked at me funny, now your whole clan dies!
>more pills
>random divine items drop out of nowhere
>special conveniently-timed powerups before each new tier of enemy
>random corpses doing random things
>infinite tiers of enemies getting more and more ridiculous
>did I mention pills?
>gaining enlightenment from corpses
>I died but then I took some pills and came back
>pills made from corpses
>you asked me a question, now everyone in the country dies!
>divine pills
>>143041084I was kind of surprised to find out she wasn't that bad but then again in retrospect there isn't much a child can do about parents being dipshits.
>>143041338
I was thinking more about their tendency to actually engage in warcrimes but that's true too.
>>143041300
Martial arts can turn anyone into a god, so naturally everyone in their grandma wants it.
though if you want a series where the MC isn't a martial arts crazed neanderthal then ISSTH and My Disciple Died Yet Again are two series people often enjoy.
>>143035299
Nah, if you have your characters have sex then all the japneets will kill you and turn you into chicken tendies.
It's why idols who turn out to have boyfriends have to commit suicide or their families die
>>143041399
>Nah, if you have your characters have sex then all the japneets will kill you and turn you into chicken tendies.
That's so fucking stupid.
>>143041348
So is this.
Anything horror themed?
>>143041348
>infinite tiers of enemies getting more and more ridiculous
still find it better than the Japanese ones where no enemy is ever a true threat to the MC
though the plot armor does get ridiculous
>>143041420
WN authors can't even write a good fantasy
what makes you think they can a good horror?
>>143041414
>That's so fucking stupid.
There was one manga a while back where the MC was implied to have sex with a girl and there was a HUGE backlash from supporters who all called her a used whore and the sales dropped sharply.
Japs are fucking weirdos. They can't handle real human interaction. I have a feeling that autism is a trait that's part of the Asian psyche.
>>143041379
Yeah, their parents are pretty terrible.Do you know who the author killed off from those chapters?
>>143041492
I knew it; Japs hate used goods. That one anon fucking lied to me.
>>143040098
>Greed
This reminds me. They're still fighting outside his castle.
>>143041492
But what about Shaman King? It didn't tank in sales because the MC had sex.
>>143041492
I swear there was a mass otaku rage at Ritsu from K-on thinking she was getting love letters from a guy once. The only reason the writer didn't get bombed was because it turned out that Mio forgot to mention she was sending ritsu song lyrics.
>>143040622
>Brave Story
>A Book of Heroes
Funny of how those two are basically a pisstake of this genre.
>>143041562
Yep, 3 top tiers in Hell duking it out and one random fallen angels getting a aneurysm from a maid right outside his castle and he still doesn't give a shit, to be fair why should he when he could just splat them from his bedroom if they ever become too noisy.
>>143041492
Have a MC that had sex.
>>143041587
the K-on manga got cancelled
>>143038424
Manga Kumo are cute as HELL.
>>143031917
MT had a fouresome though and kids/grandkids?
>>143041642
if this is ever going to be animated then I hope they'll use the manga designs and not the LN ones
>>143041613
I was extremely surprised when it was revealed that he and the OL had slept together a bunch.
>>143041532
Nope.
Thanks to York's crap everyone hated Fiiru so much that the translator had to translate a future spoiler in the comments section to show Fiiru wasn't a dipship like her parents. Sorry if it sounded like i knew more than what's been translated.
>>143041681
They were the only adults there except like 2 other guys I think, think the chef was one dunno about the other.
>>143041700
Ah, no big deal. I was just interested if anybody knew what was up with those deleted chapters.
So, I know there's a lot of douche MCs in this genre. But how about the good ones? What's the kindest, nicest MC you know?
Just stop the LOL VIDYA GAEMS bullshit.
Fuck, why can't we go back to pre-game world stories?
>>143041762
there are a lot of good Japanese MCs but all of them are boring as hell
so lets get a hard mode:
what is the nicest MC that's actually interesting?
>>143041725
Well I was surprised because
>Japanese MC
Before that reveal we got chapter after chapter of the MC building up a harem and doing nothing with them. So I never expected for them to have done anything besides flirt.
>>143041767
>Fuck, why can't we go back to pre-game world stories?
No one talks about that shit. Just look when Erin aired.
>615+ posts without a sticky
wew lad
>>143041767
I don't really have a problem with video game worlds
series like Warlock, Kumo, and LMS shows they can be good if you had actual progression instead of "MC has all the abilities and stats and is stronger than everyone!"
>>143041663
MT is shit.
>>143041673
I imagine the manga designs lend themselves to animation much better than the LN designs do.
They'd probably just make up their own design though.
>>143041767
>Fuck, why can't we go back to pre-game world stories?
Because they were much worse than
>LOL VIDYA GAEMS
And cheesy as hell.
>>143041838
Hell, even fucking SAO had Kirito have to work for some of it.
>>143041812
Well, the love of his life kinda died in his hands and he still hasn't moved beyond that.
How do I subtly shill my original WN, /a/? I want to know how translations of random WNs will easily get 10 or more comments.
>>143041944
Pretend a Nip wrote it and that you're translating it.
>>143041899
Yeah, I know. You wouldn't know that on your first read through without spoilers though. I think my reaction was reasonable.
>>143041955
Don't forget to ask for donations and make fake google translate raws.
>>143041838
though one thing I can never stomach are adventure guilds
they're formulaic, unrealistic, destroys all narrative tone, and most series that have them doesn't do anything with them besides "this is what the OPMC is doing for most of the series while he bangs his harem"
I think the only adventure guild series I liked was Kansustoppu (which has the aforementioned cardinal sin of "MC with all the stats" but for some reason I still enjoy it).
Aight, found chink stuff that wasn't martial arts stuff for once, we'll see how it goes but so far it looks fine.
https://lickymeetranslations.wordpress.com/medusa/
>>143041991
Bonus points for randomly inserting chan copypasta into the text you feed to Google Translate to see if people are paying attention.
>>143041848
Yeah definitely, Sword Art Online was the best in the genre and one of the best animes in the last decade. I was born in 2000 as well, bro.
>>143041993
Ainz is trying to turn the whole adventurer guild thing into explorers from glorified vermin exterminators so that's something.
>>143041999
The only chink thing I'm reading is Dragon Dragon Dragon and it's not martial arts stuff. It's cute.
>>143041829
You're not using that meme correctly.
>>143042047
Are there any dragons in it or is it just typical Chink nonsense naming?
>>143042066
The female main character reincarnated as a baby dragon.
>>143042037
still seemed horribly shoehorned into the series
Like the author had no idea what direction he would take the story at that time.
>>143042047
There's also Sun Knight, I guess.
>>143041955
Someone already did that with chink and he got blasted for it.
>>143042087
Is it any good?
>>143041944
Post it in the "write an anime plot" threads.
>>143042151
Yes.
>>143042151
it's funny
>>143042161
>>143042169
Cool. I'll check it out.
>>143041944
what's it about?
>>143042083
Well, until volume 9 Maruyama was basically working off of his WN scrap-notes, everything from volume 10 and up is gonna be LN original, adventurer guilds are kind of a genre mainstay at this point so they get in just because.
>>143042151
I thought it was alright until the final volume where I just couldn't handle the protag's self-pity and martyr complex anymore. I wanted my funny asshole that wasn't allowed to act like a asshole back.
>>143042024
SAO isn't even isekai.
>found a story I like on Narou
>isn't proficient enough in moon to translate it
Should I just employ Google and wing it as I go along, hoping someone better will translate it?
>>143041944
When someone asks for OEL recs, rec your novel along with Mother of Learning.
I know I'd take the bait.
>>143042227
Seems like the best way to go about it, no one will translate shit if they don't know about it.
>>143021701
>not sure if this is good or bad
Main protagonist is Tsurumi Asuta. 17 yrs old, 2nd year of high school.
He was working as an apprentice cook at [Tsurumi-ya], managed by his father.
One day a fire broke out in [Tsurumi-ya], for the sake of his father’s cherished knife [Santoku Houchou – the japanese kind] he ran back inside to retrieve it and thus met his end. Before he knew it he awoke to an unknown environment. He was then attacked by a beast resembling a boar but a girl named ‘Ai Fa’ from the [People of Morihen] saved him. It was then that he realized he really was in another kind of world…
>>143042227
Just make sure you mention something like "hopefully someone will pick this up".
Otherwise, they'll assume you want an exclusive claim to the project and will leave you alone.
>>143042227
>>143042272
Calling it a teaser project might also be a good idea.
You niggas should try reading free fantasy novels on Google/Amazon sometimes. Shit can get hilarious.
There's this one novel where the protag is called THOR and it's basically using every cliche in the book, including him being a farm boy and getting it on with a tomboy princess.
And there's this other one with edgy as fuck protagonist who thinks him being in a fantasy world is just a dream.
>>143021701
It's an isekai cooking novel, with far more focus on the cooking aspect than the reaction aspect.
Well, that's what it's like from the few translated chapters.
>>143042269
>dying to save a kitchen knife
What an idiot.
>>143041348
Tell me about these pills.
>>143042231
>When someone asks for OEL recs, rec your novel along with Mother of Learning.
Genius.
>>143042227
Sell people on it, it must be good if you like it.
>>143042326
That might actually be worse than Kazuma's end in KonoSuba. He at least THOUGHT he was saving a girl from getting hit by a truck.
>>143042326
The guy from Gifting died from heart failure because he thought a tractor was a truck, the girlier from bookworm died by bookvalanche, it goes on and on, stupid deaths are nothing weird.
