>their criticism of an anime is "literally nothing happens"
>they judge an anime solely on its entertainment value
>they think the source material is better than the adaptation without question
>>142972907
>>they judge an anime solely on its entertainment value
Well... isn't that kind of the point?
Thinks K-On! improved the anime industry.
>he is so insecure his friends don't approve his taste he makes a thread on /a/
this is the biggest red flag
They hate Shield Lad.
>>142972907
>pleb
Go back summerfag
>They use Kyoani reaction images
>Their answer to a show where nothing happens is "Fun things are fun"
>>142973131
>summerfag
Hello summer
>>142972907
I see you felt as though /a/ needed yet another mindless template thread. Feelings can be misleading.
>>142973250
>Summer
Hello earthling
>>142973230
triggered pleb
>judging anime on any other merit than the entertainment value
>>142972907
Bait/10
People are still going to bite though.
>>142972907
>It's another "my opinions are shit because I can't argue and I need to spread my truly autistic views on the interwebs" episode
>>142972907
This faggot at my work has a gurren laggen vynl on his car
>they judge an anime solely on its entertainment value
2/10 made me reply
>>142972907
>he downloads anime
pleb, buying is the only true way to be a anime fan.
>>142973932
>not paying for CR
Get on this decade, gramps.
>>142973606
>>142973775
>>142973895
plebs-a-plenty
>>142974151
>>142974151
Are you a lit major?
>>142972907
>they judge an anime solely on its entertainment value
That's the point, you fucking retard. You watch things for entertainment.
>>142974151
>watching something you don't enjoy to make yourself feel smart
why
"Where are all the fights?" "This is just them talking" "I'm not gonna say the anime with the most action is the best, but it'd be really high up there"
>>142974192
>>142974236
>>142974285
>giving him (You)s
>>142972907
>>they judge an anime solely on its entertainment value
What's wrong with that? Fun things are fun.
>>142974285
There's more to enjoyment than being entertained. If entertainment value is all you can see in something then you're a brainlet.
>>142972967
No. Art can achieve more than entertainment philistine.
>they disagree with me on anime
biggest red flag desu
>>142974922
What does being entertained mean then?
What if you get everything that's going on under the surface but it doesn't move you in any way?
If you still say it's good on principle you're just lying to yourself.
>>142972907
>>they judge an anime solely on its entertainment value
Do you mean to say "they judge all anime solely on their entertainment value"? Because that would actually make sense. I'm fine with watching fun trash like Nyaruko as well as 2deep4u shit like Angel's Egg. True aficionavocados can appreciate different anime in different ways.
>>142975057
>>142974922
Fuck off to your undergrad lit seminar with this shit, no one in the real world cares.
>>142975325
Neither entertainment or enjoyment are the important parts. A work can be neither of these and be great.
>>142972972
Thinks K-on is bad.
>>142975417
Sorry all you want is escapist fantasy for manchildren.
>>142975425
What is important then? Just ideas? If ideas are all you want art isn't what you're looking for, you're looking for pure philosophy.
>>142975474
I'm sorry you've been so brainwashed that you think entertainment is for manchildren.
>>142975474
>>142975057
Literally kill yourself.
This is why you shouldn't watch K-On and only enjoy the porn.
>>142975522
How ideas are presented. I'm not saying there is any thing wrong with wanting joy, not at all, but it's diminutive to art to only look for joy.
>>142976085
>equating joy and entertainment
>>142975057
>people are falling for the "anime is art" meme
>>142976238
>>>/v/
>>142976127
i'm not, but both would work there.
>>142976283
>both would work there.
No.
If ideas are presented badly, they're boring, ie not entertaining.
If ideas are presented well, they are entertaining.
Now stop being a faggot.
>>142976340
>implying boredom isn't a valid method of expression
some ideas can't be presented in an entertaining way.
>>142976340
This. Your DEEP themes can be good if they entertain me. If they don't entertain me then they're shit. Fiction isn't a fucking lecture - I'm not going to sit through something I hate and hope that it'll somehow help me on the test next week. \
>>142975057
Anything can achieve the status of art nowadays. Not really something to be proud of to be honest.
>>142976394
>some ideas can't be presented in an entertaining way.
Then you shouldn't make an anime of them.
>>142976394
Then don't express them? Or if you think they're actually somehow important to convince people of, then you should never have been trying to make fiction out of it in the first place, you should have been writing treatises. Fiction is not how you make a fucking philosophical point in a convincing and logical manner.
>>142976440
>tipping my STEM fedora to you good sir
>>142976442
So how would you present your ideas if you're an anime director?
>>142976488
>So how would you present your ideas if you're an anime director?
Assuming you have boring ideas? That would depend on what the idea is,, I suppose. If it's a boring idea about quantum entanglement, I'd write a paper. If it's a boring idea about politics, I'd write an op-ed piece or a blog post or something.
>>142976488
In an entertaining way.
>>142976488
And now you realize why they don't let just any hobo direct.
>>142976394
Okay? You have this weird idea that fiction is about "expressing ideas" and that the audience cares. It's actually a terrible way to express any idea in a rigorous way. It's a good way to express ideas in a way that will make them grab people, but that's entertainment. Fiction is not about how good your ideas are, take that somewhere else.
>>142972967
>plebian detected
>>142976394
You seem to be confusing comedic/fun with entertaining/engaging.
>>142976488
How would you express your ideas if you're a file clerk? Just because you have an idea doesn't mean it magically needs to be expressed through whatever you usually do with your life. Express it in a way that makes sense, or more likely just don't fucking express it.
>>142976696
Why does boring mean it doesn't make sense?
they are /v/, /tv/, /pol/, and /mu/ posters
>>142976929
Because the act of understanding something is usually exciting to people.
Not understanding something usually makes you zone out after a while because it's hard work without any pay-off.
>>142976929
That's not what I meant - the idea makes sense (presumably), but it doesn't make sense to express a boring idea in a play or poem or whatever. There are always better ways to express an idea for its own sake than fiction - fiction is good at making it entertaining, that's its value.
You're trying to use a hammer to saw a table in half.
>>142972967
I think OP means the difference between subjective and objective critique.
>>142979641
You do that when you're rating things, not when you're watching them.
Is there anything more pathetic than people who watch/read things that they don't find fun just to make themselves feel smart? Of all the mediums to pick they choose anime too.
>>142979794
>Of all the mediums to pick they choose anime too.
A very valid point. I feel like anime is a TERRIBLE medium for certain things. Take The Wind Rises, as an example. Felt like a documentary, and I hated it. Had it been a film, I might have enjoyed it.
>>142979958
Anime movies can be a little long winded and kind kind of boring, especially older stuff like Jinroh and Akira even though I love the former.
>>142975057
Bullshit.
I don't say manga is solely entertainment and can't be anything else, but if it is not entertaining, why using that medium at all?
If you want for example teach history it still should be funny or interesting. Otherwise you might as well read a history book which deliver necessary informations much faster.
>>142975057
>>142972907
>they judge an anime solely on its entertainment value
That's like the most important thing. There's no point in watching anime you don't enjoy, retard.
>36 posts
>32 of them are plebs
Will the four non plebs please reply to me so we know not to judge your posts.
In comparison to TV shows/movies with real actors anime somehow manages to be much better.
Shows are almost always filled with actors whose acting is simply abysmal. With animation there is no problem with reading emotions that characters convey.
Secondly. voice actors are actually competent people compared to real actors who often can't speak for shit and only get a pass for their looks.
Thridly, TV shows are painfully formulaic since they are made to appeal to widest audience. Even without watching them you can easily predict half of the shit they will show.
Last one is a bit personal thing. Anime has much better music quality. I can't recall a single TV show with satisfying or memorable soundtrack.
>>142972907
>they value content over form
>>142972907
But K-ON is literally a boring show where nothing happens and where the manga was objectively better
>>142972907
Why the fuck would I watch chinese cartoons for anything other than entertainment.
>>142981076
When you keep your MAL account inactive for too long you get a mail telling you they'll freeze it if you don't add a new title to your watched list in the next 2 weeks.
>I just wish they wouldn't sexualize the girls so much
>says 'moeshit' is meaningless and using it is proof of being an outsider
>>142981001
Is the same thing but with less Yuri/fanservice mister contrarian.
Also you guys get baited so easily. OP comments contradict the fun things are fun theme of the show. Is obvious bait for both sides and yet you people still fell for it.
>using "weaboo" unironically
>on the anime board of a saudi arabian crossword forum
>>142981613
I don't think you understand what weeaboo means.
>>142980755
Here's your reply you filthy weeb.
>>142972907
> they enjoy their functioning professional, social and sexual lives.
You can't go wrong with clues like these.
>they complain about shallow anime but haven't read a book since Fahrenheit 451 in high school
>they can't tell you what Tenshi no Tamago is about but they still think it's a 9/10
>they repeat "moeshit" despite moe existing forever
>they hate CGDCT even though CGDCT makes tons of money for the industry
>they think anime "used to be good" but are under the age of 25
>they think the 3 episode rule is an ironclad law
>they unironically tell people that a show gets good after 10+ episodes
>they refuse to admit that manga and shows like HnK and JoJo are stupid and only get a pass because of their age
>they read machine translations of LNs
>they fuck with machine translations at all
>>142981978
>reading machine translations of an entire novel
N-No one actually does this, right?
The real way to spot an actual pleb is when he uses the "it's boring" argument.
>>142982160
no, plenty of stories are boring because the author has no concept of pacing, not because the reader has any problem.
>>142982189
Pleb detected.
>>142981978
>>they can't tell you what Tenshi no Tamago is about but they still think it's a 9/10
Hey fuck you. Even the creator of it admitted that it isn't about anything.
>>142982207
whatever dude
>>142982296
>it isn't about anything
If it's about something then what is it about?
>>142982421
It isn't about anything. It's basically just interesting imagery, and trying to derive meaning from it is just a Rorschach test.
>>142982485
yes, what makes someone a pleb is trying to derive meaning from it, praising it for artistic complexity and depth and arguing about what it's about even though it's not about anything.
>>142982550
It's not a bad thing to try to derive meaning from it. The only way that those kinds of discussions end up poorly is if people say that "this is what this objectively means". Death of the Author and "the curtains are blue" basically mean that discussing symbolism where there is none is just something to be done for fun, and that's not a bad thing.
>>142981978
too much ass
>>142982421
"The neat thing about art works like this is that they are open. The viewer takes the imagery and mixes it with, hopefully, his deepest preoccupations and constructs the ghost of a narrative. If the imagery is compelling enough, that personally-grounded proto-story will surface and solidify with time, and become very moving to the viewer, if only in memory."
>>142982628
>implying that discussions of symbolism are ever anything other than people trying to push their headcanon as the gospel truth
>>142982794
I'm other words the artist is the assist giver and not the goalscorer.
>>142972907
>They judge a source of entertainment on its entertainment value.
Wow, what idiots
>>142982794
>the weakness of the narrative is the strength of the work
i literally hate this word salad
>>142972907
Nothing in your favorite anime happens. Your favorite anime's entertainment value is low. The source material of your favorite anime is better than the adaption without question.
>>142982648
I read the words but they don't make any sense.
What are you trying to convey?
>they like something I don't like
> Acting like a contrarian.
>>142983794
no.
>>142972975
>projecting
>>142983794
> A
Kill yourself
>>142975057
10/10, made me kek out loud
>>142973822
He actually sounds pretty sick
>>142972907
>entertainment value
I can acknowledge an anime is well made but still boring as fuck.
If someone doesn't enjoy slice of life they dont enjoy slice of life, there is no objective criticism there.
>>142974276
Ever heard of artistic merit, nigger?
>>142974151
>he says with a tumblr gif
Good show old chap, good show.
>>142984055
>boring
Pleb
>>142972907
sure is anime and manga discussion in here
>>142984114
stop
He makes a "ways to spot a pleb" thread on 4chan
>>142984119
>he watches anime for cute girls only
>complains about plebs
hmm
>he watched less than 100 shows
Basic logic dictates that you should actually watch some anime before you go off spouting your dumb opinions everywhere, but apparently not.
Nothing is more embarrassing than seeing some MAL retarded trying to write an in-depth review for a seasonal show when he barely has Naruto, Nichijou and a couple of generic shonen on his crappy list.
He has a wallpaper of his waifu on the laptop he brings to University.
Plebs unironically spout buzzwords.
>>142984204
What if someone has seen 500+ movies and television shows from American and European media? Anime isn't a genre, it's just a medium.
>>142984204
>he has nothing but obscure, 12 episode, SOL
into the trash.
>>142984203
>he thinks there is anything good in the world other than cute girls
Pleb
>>142984147
Actually, that's exactly what we're discussing. Just because it isn't about a specific show doesn't mean it's not on-topic.
>>142984302
there it is.
>>142984265
It's better than nothing, but anime is pretty unique and distinct from Western media.
They disagree with me.
>>142984265
They can have some insight but you still need to experience a medium fully before attempting to analyze and critique it.
>>142984327
Sorry, forgot /ss/ but that's it.
ITT: niwakas
>>142984350
>analyze and critique
Every single anime 'review' I read in my life boiled down to "the show has X, Y, Z. I like X and Y, meh about Z. Overall I like the show".
You don't "analyze" cartoons you fucking retard.
Signs of a a Niwaka Otaku (the worst type otaku, who wants to be an Otaku, but fails.):
>けいおん、ABが面白いとか言う奴
thinks K-ON! and Angel Beats are fun anime
>化物語とけいおんをやたら持ち上げてる
Recommend to people Bakemonogatari and K-ON!
>オタクであることを隠そうとしない奴
try to hind your powerlevel
>シャフトを絶賛
SHAFT fanboy
>堂々とアニメの話してる奴
take anime seriously
>まどかマギカ、けいおんを観ている奴
Love Madoka and K-on!
>BDの売上が～って言う奴
Care about BD sales
>エヴァの新劇場版だけ見て TVアニメ版は見てない
Have only seen Eva Rebuild, never finished the TV series
>1年前はけいおんにハマってて, 今はまどかマギカにハマってるような奴
The people who love K-ON last year, and now into Madoka
>京アニ好きなやつはにわか率１００％
>シャフト好きなやつはにわか率７０％
KyoAni fanbase niwaka 100%
SHAFT fanbase niwaka 70%
>好きなエロゲブランドがkey、あかべぇ、Nitro+
fav VN studio : key, AKABEi and Nitro+
>>142973822
Sounds like a cool dude.
>>142984449
hey, madoka was nice.
>>142972907
Pleb playing to be one of his betters detected
>>142984449
Sounds like your average /a/non.
>>14297290
>they think the source material is better than the adaptation without question
unless source is shit the source will be better due it being unrushed and having longer deadline then 24 episodes of anime
>>142984706
>unless x is shit x will be better
>>142984783
>meme text
>>142985020
>says this is not reddit
>posts reddit frog
>>142985020
no pepe on /a/ you cunt.
>>142985020
>>142985059
Bye Reddit.
A pleb is someone who lacks the context and critical distance required to realise that nearly all the seasonal stuff they watch is incompetently made shit for emotionally stunted people. TV anime rarely does anything remotely interesting or subversive with storytelling that hasn't been done vastly better in other mediums. Plebs watch some dipshitted action series and gush about how dark and mature and intelligent it is or how much they cried at the latest flimsy teen drama nonsense or how incredibly clever some conceptual gimmick is, when more experience of narrative fiction would reveal to them how much more is possible.
Plebs' ability to discuss a series hinges on making emotive judgments about the characters as if they're real, and an obsession with determining who is 'best' and who is 'shit' which often overlaps with their desperate need to self-identify with certain characters.
>>142985059
And it's not /a/.
Now get the fuck off this board.
>>142985142
Okay Freud, I don't have this problem since I only watch QGDQT
>>142972907
>they judge an anime solely on its entertainment value
Everyone does that. It's just that plebs can only describe entertainment as "fun", while fans are more articulate and describe what entertained them about the show.
>>142984449
>オタクであることを隠そうとしない奴
>try to hind your powerlevel
You are getting that completely wrong here anon
>>142982485
>implying accidentally evoked emotions and ideas are any less valid than purposeful
>>142985910
Look at my later responses. I agree with you.
>>142982628
I fucking hate that curtains are blue picture. It's something I would've loved in high school lit. Yeah I don't want to think of the work its all literal the author couldn't have possibly meant anything >>>>:((((
>>142972907
>they think the source material is better than the adaptation without question.
This is an iffy one though because they're basically two different things.
You don't judge an adaption based on its writing or its characters or its story. Those are all things that are from the original source not from the adaption. You judge an adaption based on the things that are unique to whatever medium it is. If its an anime adaption of a manga you judge based on its colour presentation, animation, voice actors, pacing and soundtrack. But ultimately you can't go "The anime adaption of Prison school is better than the manga because it has awesome music and great animation" because that's just retarded. It's a manga, it isn't suppose to have a soundtrack and animation so judging it based on what it was never meant to have ends up being pretty silly.
>>142972907
>they think the source material is better than the adaptation without question
The source material is ALWAYS better than the adaptation WITHOUT QUESTION
If an adaptation improved it, its probably because THEY REMADE THE SOURCE MATERIAL
here's looking at you kyoanus
all kyoani adaptations should be considered anime original
Im not even joking
>they post on /a/ thinking their opinion matters
>>142984265
It's not a genre or a medium.
Anime belongs to the medium of animation.
>http://aminoapps.com/page/anime/9501609/adriel-the-anime-smash-bros
I automatically assume people who do things like this are plebs. And should be dragged through their town and have rotten fruit thrown at them.
>>142986444
Chill it screamer. Any adaptation by definition includes new creative decisions, but they're still adaptations.
>>142987867
I genuinely cannot tell what the fuck I'm looking at.
Is it an ironic troll/joke account?
>>142975057
>>142987287
Technically. But japanese animation is different enough from NA animation or french animation or russian animation to be it's own thing.
>>142972907
>they unironically call people plebs
They take anime very seiously
>>142975057
Fuck off, you don't have to be a connoisseur to enjoy anime
>>142990129
Why?
>>142991762
Might as well call French film or Hungarian literature its own medium.
>>142991953
But the people who consume anime usually dont like western cartoons and vice versa
>>142991979
>implying
>>142984449
The irony is that this was written by a "niwaka." Assuming it's serious.
>>142972907
>they judge an anime solely on its entertainment value
I bet you are one of those niglets that enjoys Boringmonogatari
>>142980885
This shit right here
