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Maybe I'm not an enough of a isekai reincarnation master to get it but how the fuck is a highschooler NEET's knowledge of the world of 2016 supposed to help him get rich in a totally different fantasy world?
>>142937772
>can teach them about vaccines
>electricity
>basic physics
>anything invented past that time period which he could figure out in a feasible manner
>>142937772
It's just poor writing, don't think too hard about it.
>>142937772
Is not his fault that you have no useful knowledge about how things work.
>>142937830
>can teach them about vaccines
Good luck with a highschooler NEET actually knowing how a vaccine is made and being able to convince people of germ theory with no evidence that he knows how to create
>electricity
>implying a highschooler would know shit about electrical engineering and not just how to make a dynamo with no practical application besides putting headlamps on bicycles
>basic physics
How would knowing Newton's laws help him get rich?
>anything invented past that time period which he could figure out in a feasible manner
kek
>>142938183
I wasn't suggesting he would really know anything about this,but as long as he knows it's possible to create x then he can begin researching on it with a goal in mind.
>>142938246
>he can begin researching on it with a goal in mind.
It would be easier to just get a job and work. In fact, you can't do research without food, so he will have to get the job first.
And who's going to pay for his research equipment?
>>142937830
Anything he invents can just be stolen by people with more money and connections than him because patent law does not exist.
His phone would've fed him for months if he hadn't been Emilia's bitch by that point
As for raw knowledge, you could just find an inventor and give them ideas on what to make
>>142938509
>you could just find an inventor and give them ideas on what to make
That's not how it works.
>>142938509
> His phone would've fed him for a day, after which he gets brutally mugged and left for dead
Fixed.
>>142938509
>find an inventor
And get screwed over, imprisoned and tortured for ideas by someone else who takes all the credit and then has him killed?
>>142938183
You can learn enough in an AP chemistry class to be able to make aspirin or a simple battery, as well as things like vacuum distillation or using activated charcoal. He could have learned enough in physics to be able to predict the movements of heavenly bodies or devise a reflective telescope. Even a simple generator would be easy to create.
>>142938416
That's a good point, but people were safeguarding trade secrets long before patent law. Further, if he could pull off any of the above it's likely he could find a patron to sponsor him. Innovation was a thing before courts and patents.
>>142938183
>no evidence that he knows how to create
Pasteur's experiments are pretty standard coverage in middle/high-school biology classes.
>>142938533
Were there even proper inventors in the medieval Dark Ages? I thought they only really started proliferating after the Renaissance and with patent law in place to incentivize them with the promise of actually profiting from their invention.
>>142938694
I'm pretty sure most high schoolers cannot do any of that.
>>142938626
That's assuming he can even find a researcher who'll listen to him.
Without proper scientific knowledge he'll sound like a village idiot who's too full of himself. Modern researchers often complain about the huge amount of mail they get from idiots who have no idea what they're talking about. Medieval researchers would have an easier time, what with lower rate of literacy and all, but what reason does the guy have to listen to somebody who plainly doesn't even know exactly what he's talking about?
>>142938736
>medieval Dark ages
Those didn't exist. Science has always been a thing.
And yes, there were scientists.
Of course it's not just a matter of convincing the scientist, you have to convince his source of income! Researchers are not normally independent. They are typically working for a rich guy who wants to get something out of it.
>>142937772
It's not hard to make a simple generator, he could use that along with some light bulbs and bring light to the mansion.
>>142938694
>be able to predict the movement of heavenly bodies
The ancients were pretty good at that already.
>devise a reflective telescope
Good luck finding some medieval optician who can engineer to within such tolerances as to make the whole endeavor worthwhile
>Even a simple generator would be easy to create
The only application anybody could find a use for electricity in a medieval fantasy world that he could conceivably create himself is the telegraph. Electrical lighting and heating possibly, if he doesn't get assassinated by the candle industry.
>>142938884
Or a telegraph.
>>142938932
>electrical heating
How much power is that self-made generator supposed to produce?
>>142938884
>light bulbs
>>142938932
>Electrical lighting
I don't think light bulbs are as easy to make as you think.
>>142938968
Depends on how he powers it. The internal combustion engine may be beyond him. A coal or wood fired boiler would be more practical than a DIY generator powering an electrical heating element.
>>142939008
>blow some glass
>add incandescent material
>use wind magic to remove air and create vacuum
>>142939073
>I know, let's make a big fire in order to power this heater.
This reminds me of Teekyu.
>>142939138
>>add incandescent material
>if I can say it in one line, it can't be that difficult
>>use wind magic to remove air and create vacuum
I'm actually not convinced this is very easy either, but well, magic. I have no arguments.
>>142939163
You're forgetting this is a fantasy world.>>142939138
Have some mages power a wind turbine.
>>142939225
Sure, if you're short on fire mages but have spare wind mages and can't afford to make a fire.
That seems like an awfully specific scenario.
>>142939163
I literally said in that post that there is no point to electrical heating when you can just make a fire for a boiler
he's memorized the lyrics to every popular moe anime OP. he can just sell those and become a millionaire song writer
>>142939287
Sorry. I didn't fully read your post. Is there any way I can apologize?
>>142939225
>paying mages to stand around and push a wind turbine
Why not just pay some hobos to turn wheels all day? It would be cheaper than paying a salary to a skilled worker like a mage.
>>142937772
Everything about this shit is delusional fantasy from the ground up.
>>142939347
I would assume the mages can move a lot of air, resulting in a huge amount of energy,
>>142938758
I took AP chemistry and had a good teacher. You definitely can learn useful techniques in a high school lab equipped with some glassware and a Bunsen burner.
>>142938932
>The ancients were pretty good at that already.
Not all of them and some of their methods were very convoluted. They might not have even had a proper number system with a concept of zero, algebra, or trigonometry. Those are all very practical ideas that can taught and sold.
>Good luck finding some medieval optician who can engineer to within such tolerances as to make the whole endeavor worthwhile
Reflective telescopes are very simple. You could make a serviceable one with polished metal and a glass ball any glassblower could make.
>The only application anybody could find a use for electricity in a medieval fantasy world that he could conceivably create himself is the telegraph.
There are plenty of uses for low voltage DC current even in a medieval setting. Simple brush motors, electroplating, and some other lucrative chemical processes.
Ignoring him making a miracle drug like aspirin, there are plenty of things an intelligent high school kid today could do to convince a medieval noble to sponsor him so he could live a life of luxury.
In the book Johnny And The Bomb, a few time traveling kids leave a boy behind in WW2 England.
After trying to figure out a way to use his superior knowledge to make lots and lots of cash, he finally realizes the one thing he knows that everybody will love and pay for:
Hamburgers.
>>142939462
But over what period of time can they sustain this effort before environmental mana and internal od is depleted?
>>142939138
Why make a light bulb when you can make a led? knowledge about semiconductors is taught in middle school and with magic around, getting the materials might be quite easy.
>>142939578
>tollerances and impurities
>>142939520
Please stop reminding me of Death March's eternal quest to convince the fantasy world that Japanese junk food is the height of gastronomic superiority.
>>142937772
Here is a step by step list
1. Cement for fast building
2. Coal (can skip if you have fire magic)
3. Steel smelter
4. Steam engine or water wheel
5. Lathe machinery
6. Mass produce swords and farming equipment
7. Gun powder
8. Mass produce smooth rifling musket
9. Canons
10. World domination
>>142937772
The point is that he thinks he can do these things but he won't actually.
>>142939895
Why are you mass producing swords, why not just go straight to muskets and Minie balls?
>>142939515
>There are plenty of uses for low voltage DC current even in a medieval setting. Simple brush motors, electroplating, and some other lucrative chemical processes.
He would need to find those materials (which may be rare or nonexistent at the tech level of the setting) on the market and hope they were of the right quality to make it all work before he could convince anyone to sponsor him.
>>142939895
Have fun having to reinvent Napoleonic combat tactics from first principles because you didn't spend enough time playing Total War
>>142937772
weapons, gunpowder is easy to make and most people know the three main ingredients then its only a bit of tinkering with the ratios and then guns for sale
I think he was just being naive about how a fantasy setting would be easy to exploit with his knowledge. Hell, he thought he was summoned as some sort of hero and thinks he has a special power at the startwhich he kinda does, but it's more of a curse.
>>142940192
>gunpowder is easy to make
You mean blackpowder.
>>142940192
I doubt a highschooler from a super nogunz country has enough knowledge of gunsmithing to make some decent guns before he's blown his hands off or something.
>>142940059
>Why are you mass producing swords, why not just go straight to muskets and Minie balls?
Because you have to train peasants on how to aim, fire, clean, and reload the muskets, versus give them a steel sword and say 'hack those people with this.' Also gunpowder production is limited.
>>142940147
World domination is optional.
>>142939895
I would add fertilizer as 1.5 to grow my population base.
Also if I have time I would change the social structure to include more economic freedom, abolish serfdom, and lowers Church influences.
>>142940192
I can't see him being able to make something other than garbage that selfdestructs after a single shot and has about a 20% chance of exploding in your hand.
>>142939895
>1. Cement for fast building
>2. Coal (can skip if you have fire magic)
>3. Steel smelter
>4. Steam engine or water wheel
>5. Lathe machinery
>6. Mass produce swords and farming equipment
>7. Gun powder
>8. Mass produce smooth rifling musket
>9. Canons
How many of these can you personally do if you were dropped into a completely different society with no money or resources? Yeah I thought so.
>>142940555
>Also if I have time I would change the social structure to include more economic freedom, abolish serfdom, and lowers Church influences.
Enjoy your nobility-funded Crusade.
>>142940579
Making cement is pretty easy
also, you forget that people were pretty amazed by simple "magic" in the past which was likely chemists ahead of their time disguising their work as supernatural. A basic knowledge of modern chemistry could get you pretty far
>>142940555
Kazuma pls
>plagarize end of evangelion into a play
>have it preformed before kings and queens
>become rich and famous
it's so simple or
>take videos of chicks naked with my phone
>start a pay per view service
>>142939895
A much simpler tech tree would be:
1. gunpowder
2. metal pressure vessels
3. bombs
Which probably breaks that world's balance of power enough already.
>>142940077
>He would need to find those materials
At that level of tech they have simple acids and can draw metal into wire. You're overestimating how hard this stuff is.
>>142940555
>Because you have to train peasants on how to aim, fire, clean, and reload the muskets, versus give them a steel sword and say 'hack those people with this.
And then they get hacked to pieces by the better armored and trained soldiers. It's hilarious you act like muskets are bad for peasants but history shows the exact opposite. Warfare was dominated by the nobility right up until firearms became widespread in Europe, because suddenly you could drum up huge armies almost overnight. It takes an afternoon to learn how to load and fire a musket, you just spend the next two weeks drilling them in the loading and firing procedures and how to walk in formation until they can do both in their sleep. Bam you have an army that can kill at least 3 times its number in spears and swords. Less against veteran cavalry, but if you have artillery to back them up it shouldn't even be a close fight.
>>142940579
That's the thing, if you follow the list, you should get additional income along the way.
1. Invent cement and try to sell it to land owners/governor as an effective material for building defensive structures. Since the ingredients are mostly rocks and dirt, it costs nothing to create. The only hard thing is to sell it to the nobles/landowners.
2./3. On you gain their trust (and maybe a bit of research grant), gather up coal (which should be close to worthless in a magical land) and create a steel smelter. Smelter can be created cheaply with clay/rocks. If you have fire magic, you don't even need coal and its carbon coking issue.
Once you have cheap steel making technology, you should be selling them to as many countries as possible. High quality steel is worth a lot in medieval time.
4. Then you can create lathe machinery with your income and start your own factories.
>>142940555
>train peasants how to aim, fire clean, and reload the muskets
This is much easier than teaching peasants how to fight with a sword
The biggest advantage of early firearms was that a peasant trained for a month could easily kill a knight trained for years
>>142940147
You'd still be fighting people armed with bows and swords until they manage to reverse engineer both your guns and the industry to make the guns.
Spanish Conquistadors would have more applicable tactics.
>>142940777
Only if you have more advanced production technologies. You have to convince others that early musket is worth the trouble. Swords would be the holdover weapons until you master gunpowder/rifling/steel casting technologies.
>>142940796
Yeah except you don't know how to do any of the things on that list. It's not question of resources. Even if you had a huge pile of money and connections you'd have zero chance of inventing machinery you can't even build a passable example of.
>>142940796
>1. Invent cement and try to sell it to land owners/governor as an effective material for building defensive structures. Since the ingredients are mostly rocks and dirt, it costs nothing to create. The only hard thing is to sell it to the nobles/landowners.
Say I threw you into the woods right now with a wheelbarrow and a crowbar. How long would it take you to make me some cement?
>>142937772
invent peanut butter
>>142940900
Not even, you could produce thousands of muskets with very small workshops in a matter of weeks, provided you had enough labor and resources, which again wouldn't be hard. You get the towns people to work bellows and do menial tasks, have them donate their cookware and old tools to be melted down into parts and ammunition. This literally happened in Europe, and it's why guns trumped swords.
I'll tell you one "good" thing he invented there. That's about it. And stuffed animals.
>>142937772
Use your culinary knowledge to become a master chef
>>142940905
That's why you follow NGNL's example and bring an iPad with Wikipedia and a solar panel charger.
Also, what makes you think I can't build them in real life? Only the lathe machine is truly difficult.
>>142941107
Okay build a steam engine from scraps of metal and wood and post a picture of it. I'll give you a year.
>>142941083
If you can prepare everything in a week, then yes you can jump straight to muskets. But I'd think you need a couple years at least to build your base.
Gunpowder needs sulphur. I don't know if you buy/gather a huge quantity of it in a week before the local government realizes what you are trying to do.
But if you could, then your way is better.
>>142940866
Yep, cause you kill 10 peasants and they can train 20 more in a month. You kill the knight and you're shit out of luck cause that fucker took his entire life to train and a ton of resources devoted to him to make him an effective fighter.
>>142940077
>Hello, I can read and write (or having done so before in one language, can apply myself to learn another).
>Hello, I can do math.
>Hello, I understand how you get sick, and can help you avoid doing so in the future!
>Hello, I can help you keep your teeth.
>Hello, I can ... ect.
Pick any of these. Done. Sponsored. You don't even need any special knowledge to do well in the past, as long as you temper it with common sense and don't get killed for knowing too much by superstitious and stupid people. Fuck, just understanding how to take care of teeth puts you way ahead of most people.
Now you:
>Hurr durr this pointless thread isn't long enough yet, let me bullshit some more and say "Oh man I bet everyone can read and write durr he can't make any money or get a patron that way!" ect.
This is a stupid thread. Saged.
>>142940796
Why is coal worthless in a magic land? Everyone needs something to burn.
>>142941217
That's why you build a smelter first...to get high quality steel to build engines.
As for the actual construction, steam engine is surprisingly easy to make. Here is an example made out of glass-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73txXT21aZU
Having said that, I would probably starve to death within a week of arriving in the other world.
>>142941274
Do you really think people will just give you money if you say that? Especially if your doctrine goes against the world standard and you have no credentials?
>>142941274
Unless you're like Rasputin tier CHA it's not really that easy to segue from "I am the guy you hired to handle bookkeeping" to "give me unlimited funds to build a Difference Engine to do math for even better bookkeeping".
Since I need money, first I'd look around for raw materials to see if I can find a way to make drugs.
>>142941274
The Babylonians had a form of toothbrush, nimrod.
This thread is based on a series of wildly inaccurate assumptions about how little people in the past knew. Lack of materials and limited markets kept most inventions from happening, not a lack of knowledge.
Sure, the germ theory of disease is an exception, but good luck getting anyone to believe you without extensive experimentation.
>>142941378
Opium's pretty easy.
But if it existed in that world chances are they already know about its effects. You could still try to invent Laudanum though.
>>142941273
>>142941263
If you can invent the musket you can invent the bomb. If you can invent the bomb you can invent a really big bomb. Once you use it a couple times you have a deterrent that makes wars unnecessary.
>>142941362
Alchemists with nothing to back it up got away with as much for centuries.
>>142941263
Primitive cultures only used sulfur for medicinal purposes. I think a few might have realized it made good fertilizer but I'm not sure. Either way they wouldn't really give a shit about you buying up large quantities of it.
Stockpiling powder and shot would be necessary before committing yourself to any prolonged engagement though. So it would be best to secure at the very least a source of funding to purchase the materials you need. Longterm you would have to capture various mines and manufacturing facilities to make a proper industrialized army.
What if the world you're transported to is post-post-apocalyptic?
The problem is how to survive the first week, you seriously aren't thinking about producing high quality steel right away. You're going to stand out right away and probably be mugged or stabbed.
>>142941551
If all you have are bombs then you can only control people via fear, making you a terrorist. In reality you don't control anything, you just inflict terror on people, and the minute they stop being afraid of you everything goes to hell because either you kill tons of people or they call your bluff and you're dead.
Armies can occupy territory and subdue enemies without having to kill them. Just the presence of an army can deter invasion. Because bullies like weak targets, marauders and expansionists will look elsewhere if you have a formidable fighting force. And if you go on the offensive you only need to convince the enemy to surrender and then occupy his territory with your soldiers to enforce your rule. Just blame everything bad on the old rulers and be generous to the people and they will like you more than their previous masters. Just don't go all Robespierre on them after.
>>142941551
The difference is that they were the 'in' thing. Plenty of individuals who were considered smart dabbled in alchemy, so people trust alchemy even if it was useless.
If you want to overturn society as a complete outsider with no status you're going to need some great social skills.
>>142937772
He thought it would be like in one of his animes
>>142941551
>Alchemists with nothing to back it up got away with as much for centuries.
Alchemists had the ancient mystique of alchemy to back up their hocus-pocus nonsense. Even if they didn't understand it or if it sounded impossible, what do they know about the arcane secrets of the venerable alchemistic arts?
>>142941003
If calcium deposits are locally available, probably in a few hours.
We are not exactly mixing concrete for a 50 stories high skyscraper here. Anything better than clay is good enough.
>>142941297
Not if everyone can cast fire to cook ie. Kazuma
>>142940579
well creating something to be massed produced in a production line isn't just a mechanical thing, early implementations of Fordisim and Taylorisim are what founded mass production.
this could help him to make him rich by mass producing potions, weapons, or other items with the help of the village, Emilia-tan or magic clown
>>142937772
>use his knowledge of the modern world to live in luxury
Is he forgetting he's living in a shitty medieval world? Impoverished people in Japan live in more luxury than the royalty in that land. The only thing they have going for them is magic which is peanuts compared to the technology of the modern age. Even his shitty prepaid flip-phone was worth a small fortune and they didn't even know it had more than one use.
>>142941936
That's why you invent a need where there isn't one
>conserve mana and enjoy long-lasting heat and light!
>burns longer and hotter than wood!
>buy coal today!
Etc
>>142941936
Yeah but you still have to have something to set on fire, unless you want to be a human stove.
>>142941443
>Sure, the germ theory of disease is an exception, but good luck getting anyone to believe you without extensive experimentation.
But those experiments aren't particularly advanced/difficult. If you managed to get an audience with learned people (which they'd probably grant you if you were some mysterious faggot who turned up with a magic communications device they couldn't figure out) you could easily produce evidence both against spontaneous generation and in favor of germs. They might not automatically accept it, of course, but you'd at least establish yourself off the bat as someone with relevant ideas/knowledge and could build from there.
>>142941706
>If all you have are bombs then you can only control people via fear, making you a terrorist.
No, it makes you a superpower with an ability to retaliate that makes you irrational to attack in the first place. Demonstrating you have the mysterious ability to level a (preferably empty) castle on command is no less ethical than forming an army capable of doing the same.
>>142938884
>It's not hard to make a simple generator
from scratch no it isn't
to give you an idea
there was a guy who thought about making a toaster from scratch
he went and got the cheapest toaster he could find opened it up to see how he could recreate it
it took 9 months of intense research to do it,
and i dont mean like wikipedia research, he basically had to track down experts on ore metallurgy ect.. in order to learn all the things needed to make a freaking toaster from scratch.
>>142940192
Most people don't memorize the basic formula for gunpowder.
>>142941994
>>142942094
Still, coal should be cheap and plentiful. Only lower class needs it for heating/cooking.
The point is, you need a cheap source of heat energy. It doesn't matter whether it's from coal or fire magic.
I would just write down every good movie story/fairy tale i remember and become a great writer/artist.
>good luck "getting rich" in a shitty medieval economy
>good luck not getting murdered/kidnapped/enslaved by people trying to appropriate whatever modern invention you were trying to ape
>good luck trying to get people on your side as an outsider with NEET/hikki tier people skills
>good luck not getting murdered as soon as your "inventions" threaten the interests of whoever is in charge
>>142942396
Roughly
15 Saltpeter
3 Charcoal
2 Sulfur
You can hire real 'alchemists' to figure out the exact portion.
>>142942209
>No, it makes you a superpower with an ability to retaliate that makes you irrational to attack in the first place
No, it just makes you a terrorist. Superpowers are superpowers because they have force projection on a global scale. Force projection means the ability to deploy and sustain military assets outside your own borders. As an example, the US has nearly omnipresent force projection, there's pretty much no situation on Earth they can't send a response to within hours. To contrast, ISIS can blow up people pretty much anywhere on Earth. Does that make them a superpower? According to you it does. To anyone else it just makes them terrorists.
>>142938183
People fucking thought a sword made of steel was magic. You have no idea how people without culture can be dumb.
>>142942169
A microscope capable of discerning microorganisms can be made by melting a glass rod. I learned about this in school, at least:
http://www.funsci.com/fun3_en/usph/usph.htm
>>142942283
He wanted to make a replica of one he bought from a store from scratch, right down to using plastic parts. He could have used copper wire and clay and had a functioning device in a week. A completely functional electrical generator can be made with wire, wax, and a magnet. That's it.
>>142942457
>regurgitate some random poems you had to memorize in middle school
>become king's royal poet
>>142942524
They did have culture. It was just rife with superstition.
>>142942672
Might bite you in the ass if you're ever commissioned something.
>>142942723
That's when you pull an emperor's new clothes as hard you can.
>>142942672
Like you need to be pretty stupid if you dont know Grimms' Fairy Tales or other famous tales also almost everyone can turn it into the plays
>>142942844
Or you can just claim your genius can't work on command, it comes to you via divine inspiration. They'd eat that up.
>>142942933
>He claims to speak wid Gawd! Burn him!
From zero the easier stuff you could build is steam engine, even a shitty demonstration only one, and/or something like solar heating. Anything that needs chemistry would be a problem due to excarse materials and different naming
>>142942844
I'd watch this anime. Some dude gets transported to a parallel world and just starts cobbling together random plagiarized snippets of poems along with his own shitty OC in the middle that he convinces everyone is brilliant.
this thread lmfao
>omg no high schooler can do that
>im retarded
>highschool taught me nothing!
>>142942504
>Does that make them a superpower?
again:
>an ability to retaliate that makes you irrational to attack in the first place.
We're talking modern tech in a swords and sorcery world. Military superiority does not equate to terrorism. I have no idea how you imagine your benevolent fantasy army will function any differently than a powerful weapon in this regard either.
>>142943059
>lmfao
>omg
Kill yourself.
>>142943041
>be transported to the renaissance era
>introduce modern art
>>142943037
>From zero the easier stuff you could build is steam engine, even a shitty demonstration only one, and/or something like solar heating.
This. Don't even need coal for a steam engine. Charcoal made from burnt dry wood is almost as effective.
Demonstrate the engine's capability to pull cargo long distances or mill grain really fast. Once you've got that, it's industrial era time.
>>142943522
You need rails to have effective steam engine locomotive, which means low-carbon steel. You can't smelt steel with charcoal in high quantity.
At the end, you still need coal.
>>142943791
You could built an elevator for the lazy nobles with that
Find a way to introduce penicillin or some other easy to obtain natural product like aspirin. Introduce the Haber-Bosch process after getting a patron to help develop a reaction chamber and advance agriculture 500 years
Some of you are beyond autistic.
The kid doesn't have his notes, a chemistry book and a laptop to look this shit up but only his memory.
Face it, most of the material you learn goes out the window a short time after the test or quiz. As if you idiots can honestly sit there and think a high school student using his memory alone, can make apsirin, a battery or whatever other dumbshit you typed.
Doing these things are hard enough with instruction but now you introduce no guide and a medieval setting and you are asking for troubles.
>>142944122
Some of us actually know stuff beyond what schools teach, you know.
Willow bark has been used for millenia. Slightly more potent willow bark seems like an underwhelming invention.
Build a Stirling engine.
>>142944122
Aspirin (rather salicylic acid) is literally boiling willow bark in water/ethanol. Plus side is that inefficient concentration methods just means you don't cause your stomach to bleed.
>>142944339
You have the complexities of how to make penicillin, weapons, gundpowder, cement, steam engine and coal.
As I said before, you are autistic.
>>142944122
>As if you idiots can honestly sit there and think a high school student using his memory alone, can make apsirin, a battery or whatever other dumbshit you typed.
I could make a generator, battery, and electric motor from scratch using what I learned in high school 10 years ago. They all use pretty easy to understand principles. Maybe you have a learning disability?
>>142944468
ok then
explain the steps you would make in details?
>>142944468
Duck tails but hey people can say this kinda of shit online anonymously.
>>142944468
>Maybe you have a learning disability?
>>142944550
you fucker, now that song is stuck in my head again
Anons actually believe the average high school students can make generators, batteries and other material with basic chemistry and physics.
>>142944433
The nice thing about natural products is that all you really need is the source organism and 90 precent of the work is already done. Penicillin, while beyond a lone high schooler, probably wouldn't be beyond an apothecarian that has had the principle shown to him by said high schooler.
>>142944548
It isn't hard to make a galvanic cell
If you're just showing it off conceptually you don't even need to create a salt bridge.
>>142944122
Are you an American?
>>142944649
With enough time, effort and Wikipedia, a middle schooler could make a V8 internal combustion engine.
But how many middle schoolers do you see these days with an attention span longer than 8 minutes?
>>142944652
Even assuming you can get people to inject mold, it wouldn't be sterile or safe.
>>142944548
>>142944550
Couldn't tell you how unless I knew what I was working with. It's not a complicated principle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_(electricity)#Principle_of_operation
Anyone could probably make one given the knowledge that 2 different types of metal probes stuck in a lemon will power a clock. Do you really not know how a battery works?
Brushed DC motors are trickier, but come on:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH7DFPIayNg
Did you seriously not learn this shit in school?
Here's what being re-incarnated would come across.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVxOb8-d7Ic
You need some cotton, some zinc, some copper, and a lemon.
Carbonize the cotton fibres (read: burn that shit)
Coil it
Stick a piece of zinc and a piece of copper into a lemon
Touch the battery you just made to the filament you made earlier
Bam, you did it.
>>142940192
In Drifters they started making gunpowder first.
>>142945066
nice
>>142944890
Why would they inject the mold? The point is that extracting a compound you know about from the source organism is incredibly easy, given some rudimentary equipment
>>142937772
that's the joke, he was supposed to be that stupid (or naive?)
>Nobody has said cement is a stupid idea since medieval cultures will already have it
Hell, the romans had cement that would set underwater. The reason cement became so common after the industrial revolution is because instead of burning limestone and marble to break it down, suddenly you could mechanize crushing huge volumes of the source rock, making it cheap as fuck.
Same reason that the blast furnace led to the explosion of railroads and large buildings when it supplanted the old blister steel process.
That would likely be the primo moneymaking venture in fantasy land though. Mass producing good steel for cheap. Even a broke motherfucker could get a furnace and a few hundred pounds of fire bricks together eventually.
He should just teach them how in-fucking-credible diamonds are, for both fashion and engineering
>>142939298
This.
>muh generators
Go outside, now and make me one without something you cannot buy at medieval ages. Post results, I double dare you
>>142946040
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=454QGR_hVs0
>>142946032
That's a source problem. There's only a half dozen good sized kimberlite pipes on earth. Odds are he won't be within thousands of miles of one.
>>142945742
>Mass producing good steel for cheap.
Don't you need like to mine and process tons of ore to get iron and shit to make steel?
Read some awful ass reincarnation manga the other day.
MC popularizes reversi and sells the rights to it to be able to fund his research lmao.
>>142945075
Okay and you use this for what? And where do you plan to buy zinc?
>>142937772
>>142938183
The concept of a four field farming system would be mind blowing in the Middle Ages.
Also, DO NOT FEED YOUR PIGS OR COWS GRINDED UP BODY PARTS FROM OTHER ANIMALS INCLUDING THEIR OWN KIND.
You don't want to give birth to Mad Cow Disease and other nasty shit.
I'm sure the farmers and ranchers will thank you for saving their food industry from Prions.
>>142946261
Dude, crop rotations have been used since forever. Maybe not the perfect understanding of why you do it, but people did it.
>>142944649
>>142944704
Japanese high school students still have home economic classes in highschool.
I think they also still have woodshop and autoshop classes in Japan as well.
My old highschool on the other hand closed down the woodshop/autoshop/home economic classes years ago.
>>142946188
Iron ore is the most common in the world. With any kind of local blacksmith-based steel production, you should have a decent mine nearby as well. And with a blast furnace you can even use shit tier hematite and even lower grades of ore.
For continual production, you would have to expand the infrastructure, but just giving a fief the ability to pound out two tons of good steel from pig slag in a day during a time of war would be something special.
>>142946246
Calamine was very common, he could get his zinc from that. I'd be more concerned about where he thinks he's going to get a lemon, or cotton for that matter.
"Oy, here's a turnip and some flax, boss."
>>142946261
And how do you plan to make use of this knowledge to get money? Why would someone pay you for esoteric farming techniques?
You understand that some nobleman do not give money for random people claiming that messing with his production would yeld more crops.
Sometimes I wonder if you faggots even understand the world and have jobs.
>>142946315
Safe food eating wasn't practiced well back then though.
People back then thought it was okay to eat sick pigs and livestock.
Also, some cultures used pigs as toilets where they poop down a hole that leads to a pigsty and the pigs would be eating human poop and later those pigs would be killed for food, causing people to get sick.
The concept of safe food handling was pretty unknown back then.
By my guess, he is trapped in the middle ages, so why not teach them about cakes? It doesn't take much brains to make a pound cake. That, or burgers.
>>142946441
Inventing the Sandwich or Potato Chips would make you serious money.
You could become the Royal Chef for the King with your innovative Junk Food Ideas like French Fries.
>>142946426
>The concept of safe food handling was pretty unknown back then.
IRC the the bubonic plague didn't decimate the middle east as much as Europe simply because they were more hygienic.
>>142946426
Germ theory would be revolutionary. But good luck proving shit without a microscope. You'd have to start a cult of cleanliness to get the ball rolling, and all your practices would be rites and worship of the foreign god Antisepia.
>>142946441
>implying the middle ages didn't have cakes
Pies were much more common just because fruit preserves and other sweeteners were more common than honey, but they still had them.
>>142946527
yeah pretty much would have to start that as a sort of religion with my claiming to be a wizard that can cure ailments and stop the spread of disease,
granted it would be hard to do without being killed in a witchhunt.
>>142937772
>Your face when Amateur Piano Player
>Your face when get summoned to an alternate Fantasy World
>Your face when become the next Mozart by Plagiarizing any musical composer from Music History 101 as much as I can remember
Tell me how this could go possibly wrong, /a/.
>>142946383
If you have zinc, blast furnace for steel, coal, and steam engine, you are pretty much set to build steam boat.
>>142946616
Have you ever tried to build a piano? It's a giant goddamn harp with a mechanized system of hammers attached to it. They can literally explode from the wire tension if they're not made right.
>>142946527
see
>>>142942555
You can make a lens capable of magnifying over 300x by heating a glass rod to make a little bead. It'd be very doable with medieval tech.
>>142946679
No. The biggest hurdle after making a blast furnace is making your giant forge tools for bulk steel, the massive four ton rollers for steel plates and all that. Plus you need excellent brass casting and machining for all the valves of the steam engine, plus the heater core tubes for the boiler.
>Go back in time
>Tell tales of the Greek gods
>Tell people i am messenger of the greatest god, Zues
>Tell them he demands a sacrifice every week, and must be a girl age anything below 21 years
>Tell them i must perform lewd acts onto her for the gods entertainment
What's the worst thing that can happen?
>>142946889
Religious zealots will lynch you?
>>142946889
You've read the Greek stories. You know how creative they can get with the torture and dismemberment.
>>142946780
>anon tries to build a steam engine
>doesn't die horribly in a boiler explosion
>>142946527
You could probably get some basic hygenics without much issue. Things like boiling water and not having your shit in the streets wouldn't be too hard to convince people to do.
>Hey you know that nasty stuff your body gets rid of? Keep that away from your drinking water.
>>142946616
>Classic Music in alternate world:
>Theme of Marius
>Gab Bag of the Duke of Nukem
>Prelude of the Final Fanasy
>That russian folk song from tetris
lel
Could you make a printing press (or at least a very primitive one)?
>>142947094
Cross your fingers and hope the dwarven day laborers didn't half-ass the rivets on the boiler shell.
>>142947236
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRRLYQmtaQo
>>142947236
Strangely, most fantasy realms seem to have that already. But I guess they also have full plate armor too which is about equivalent timewise.
I think the best way to get rich in oldey times would be the knowledge of how to cultivate and grow marijuana and sell that shit as medicine/intoxicant. I'm sure it's reliant on the plan being native to whatever area you're sent to, but if it's there time to rake in the money.
>make a printing press
>print whatever sacred mportan book of the setting
>????
>profit
>>142947366
People would have already figured out its uses if it was local. So there would already be people farming it or harvesting it.
>>142946246
Light bulb concept demonstration.
>>142946383
You'd probably have to steal quite a lot to get by, honestly.
>>142947497
then kill those people
>>142947407
Need a good cheap source of paper first. Old school vellum preferred for books is just really thin animal hide. You'd need to step it up to at least mass production of parchment.
>>142947407
>Books
>Implying people could read that weren't super fucking rich
Anon, you might as well just try and sell grass
Thermometer?
I've actually thought a lot about aspects of knowledge preservation and transmission. A lot of the basic ingredients needed to build the basics of modern chemistry were already known and available to the medieval alchemists. With a voltaic pile of salt water and vinegar, you can then build an electrolysis cell to produce chlorine bleach, among other things. Sulfur can be acquired either directly from volcanic areas, or indirectly by the roasting of sulfide ores like pyrite. It's all about finding the right materials.
>>142947634
Ah yes, please tell us where you can get some mercury from, /a/non.
>>142947719
fish
>>142947535
>You'd probably have to steal quite a lot to get by, honestly.
You do know a couple tons of decent iron ore is only about as much space as four bathtubs full right? It hasn't been until fairly recently where mining absolutely pitiful porphery deposits of 1-3% high value metal ore (say gold or copper) has become profitable enough to go full open pit vs placer and vein.
>>142947719
Modern thermometers use alcohol. Also mercury has been known since roman times (Hydrargyrum hence Hg).
You go around asking for "silver-coloured metallic liquid. It's really quite a distinctive element.
invent memes
>>142947719
Liquid mercury was available back then and so were thermometers.
Some people in this thread have really low opinions of human intelligence.
>>142947719
I was gonna say the same thing, but mercury salts were so common at the time for healing bullshit, he'd probably be able to get enough through trade even if the cinnabar source was thousands of miles away.
>>142947842
I've got 1596 as the first thermometer according to google.
That's renaissance.
Just claim to be an alchemist and subtly introduce actual science into your work
>>142947967
Basically this.
>>142937772
>Learn the language.
>Start my own school for the poor and uneducated.
>Carefully cultivate an old disease.
>When the king tries to shut me down I'll warn him about the wrath of the true god.
>Make him sick.
???
>What does a highschooler know that most people in alternate world with magic don't?
only based on my own classes
Math Econ Bio Physics Chem english history Language Metalshop woodshop
Math: knowing how to calculate is arguably useful since all you need to do is get a job in selling shit and prove your worth to eventually become an accountant or something. protip=learn dozenal math
Econ: Knowing supply demand stuff might be useful but only really helps if you already are in a position where you can use it.
Bio: As a highschool student I probably knew more about anatomy than most people in 15th century dunno if that helps or hurts when healing magic exists. punnett squares and selective breeding maybe if they don't know shit about fertilizer you have some luck.
Physics: Mechanical advantage isn't worth shit. Arguably ballistics calculations could get someone's attention in the military and they might be all up on your dick for that. F=Ma and all the other equations arent useful unless there is enough science some super smart motherfucker to bankroll you in giving them ideas. Also learned about electricity and how to make my own van de graaff generator or electric motor so that could be a thing.
Chem: I read anarchists cookbook while taking chemistry(Edgefag) but it isn't useful without ingredients. could make gunpowder from raw materials or glass acids bases and indicators. Gold plating with electricity would be a money maker or maybe if you could produce enough juice you could isolate hydrogen and oxygen and use them for some shit. balloons or welding maybe
English history and language: Useless unless you are transferred through time to the past. Invaluable if you are. Knowing future events and foreign languages would be pretty top as long as it is the right events and the right languages.
Metalshop and woodshop: craft skills are kinda useful. I know how to make some nice dovetail joints and if i had a waterwheel I could do some basic machinery.
>>142948722
>Die because you're not immune.
>>142948724
Biggest load of drivel I ever read. This guy is literally autistic.
>>142948797
>Biggest load of drivel I ever read. This guy is literally autistic.
You really hurt my feelings brah.
>>142948797
A degree of autism would probably be quite useful in this situation, since you tend to retain information better.
>>142946465
Hide this
>>142941083
>having peasants donate cookware and old tools
Looks like someone hasn't studied Mao's Great Leap Forward.
I would gather the alchemists, hope they don't kill me while I try to teach them science and eventually start producing drugs, especially morphine, amphetamines and cocaine since they could be useful during wars.
>>142949175
Do you actually know off by heart how to produce any of those?
>>142949268
Except for amphetamines I actually do, guess living in a 3rd world country is an advantage in this situation I'd be fucked if I reincarnated in a futuristic world.
>>142949268
You couldn't produce cocaine in medieval Europe, since the coca plant is from the New World, and the synthesis of amphetamines from naturally-occurring compounds is very non-trivial.
>>142946392
Anon, if you have esoteric knowedge you can be muh scholar and get funded by rich fags.
>>142949435
You'd also have no guarantee that poppies are growing where you were reincarnated.
Codeine might be more useful in any case if you want to extract the latex from poppies.
>>142937772
Why do they always get sent to the past? why can't we have a cute medieval princess that gets sent to the 22nd century by an evil magician?
>>142949392
>I can make morphine without modern ingredients.
>>142937772
I got into gun smithing in HS, and I could definitely create a repeater or a revolver with medieval technology.
I could also create generators, windmills, etc.
And based on how magic stuff works (inserting mana into stones can cause them to "auto fire" spells) I could even make magic powered guns
>>142949552
Pretty sure those exist, just not any animus of it. Except for a devil lord serving french fries.
>>142949580
>Except for a devil lord serving french fries.
?
>>142949601
google what you just quoted to find it
>>142949601
>not remembering Tits and Taters:The Animation
>>142949601Probably hataraku maou sama
>>142949566
That's a total synthesis, manufacturing morphine is trivial with access to opium, which has been used throughout the Old World since antiquity.
>>142949627
>>142949653
>>142949655
huh,
I was vaguely aware about this show but I didn't know that was the premise,
I just assumed it was working! but with fast food.
>>142937772
Frankly, depending on the person and the time period, just knowing high school math could qualify you as some kind of revolutionary expert and maybe get you patronized by a nobleman.
>>142937772
I would try to ignite and Industrial Revolution then try to spread the word of Karl Marx.
>>142949724
I was referring to a different show about the demon lord and potatoes actually.
>>142943512
>transported to the renaissance era
>produce crude anime and manga
>turn all the good-for-nothing third sons into hikkis
How is this not a thing yet?
>>142948724
>history
>useless
Write a book on capitalism or based communism.
>>142949785
>>142949831
Glad to find myself among comrades here.
>>142949680
There is no guarantee that any of the plants in wherever land you go will be similar to opium and even if actual opium exists there is no guarantee that it isn't on the other side of the world.
>>142949881
Fuck off.
>>142949820
>I can draw a vast amount of interesting high quality pictures.
What?
>>142949906
I found the capitalist pig.
>>142949785
Lad the word of Karl Marx would cause a dark age.
>>142949831
>History
>Write a book on capitalism or based communism.
>capitalism or communism are a part of history
Both of those are economic systems and the lens of history only serves to distort them.
>>142949891
Well yeah, but I figured were were going on the assumption that you end up in an asymptotically accurate version of medieval Europe.
>>142949955
Bourgie piggu go homu.
This thread has got me thinking. What if the MC got sent to a fantasy world, but in the future. So it's still elves and dwarves and shit, but they now have mechas and space cruisers.
Like Lord of the Rings in Space.
>>142950147
He'd probably be nothing more than a curiosity for historians.
>>142950147
He'd be pretty much a homeless bum.
>>142949933
>crude
Have you seen ONE? Have you seen yaoi mangaka?
>>142949820
>How is this not a thing yet?
Outbreak Company came out in 2013.
>>142950147
isn't that what 40k is?
if there's one thing I've learned from alternate history it's that I can make a decent living being an accountant because of double entry booking and high school math
then maybe I can build up enough money to make a printing press provided I manage to find out how to make paper for it. Suddenly I have influence and money provided I don't forget to suck up to the local church.
>>142950250
I thought they only had orkz. No dwarves or elves.
>>142950252
Then you could use the printing press to create propaganda and spread the teachings of Karl Marx.
>>142950281
they have space elves,
and a race of humans that evolved on a high gravity planets and ended up short and then for years was disowned by gameworks for some reason.
>>142950315
Haha, you said it again, epic.
>>142950395
Are you trying to insult my intelligence bourgie?
>>142938509
>As for raw knowledge, you could just find an inventor and give them ideas on what to make
As a programmer, im literally screaming at you right now
Fuck off, philfish
>>142950433
Who is philfish?
t. computationally-retarded.
>>142950433
>As a programmer,
what kind of programmer?
professional?
Why doesn't he just start a pyramid scheme?
>>142950483
People would eventually catch on I would imagine.
>>142950315
i don't think you quite understand what I meant by not forgetting to suck up to the local church. It's bad enough getting a bunch of hate from old-fashioned scribes.
>>142950491
people in modern age didn't for a long while
in fact some people still fall for it
>>142950491
Not if you call it social security.
>>142950505
Oh wait, fuck. That's a ponzi scheme. My bad, confused the terms.
>>142937772
Another thing that could work is by becoming an author or some kind of professional story teller, traveling from town to town retelling the stories of the old world.
>>142950483
One, how would he convince people to fall for it and two, what the hell would he be making them do in the first place?
>>142937772
I would make simple safe cosmetics which would quickly make me rich because early cosmetics were extremely dangerous and frequently contained toxic substances since people actually put shit like liquid mercury and white lead in their cosmetics since the days of Ancient Rome and even today, some cosmetic manufacturers still have mercury in their lipstick.
Actual safe sunblock lotion that contains Zinc Oxide rather than fucking White Lead which the ancients actually believed kept your face protected and white from the environment would make me a hit with the military since those troops that have to march on long days in the sun are in danger of getting bad sunburns so my safe Zinc Oxide sunblock lotion would be a great gift for those soldiers.
I would totally destroy the competition because I am the only smart guy that doesn't put mercury or lead in my cosmetic products while all the other idiot cosmetic producers continuing putting in dangerous substances in cosmetics.
I am too stupid to produce actual medicine but I have enough knowledge for simple cosmetics.
>>142938183
Maybe I'm just arguing semantics here, but how can he be a highschooler if he's a NEET? Also,
>>implying a highschooler would know shit about electrical engineering and not just how to make a dynamo with no practical application besides putting headlamps on bicycles
You're seriously downplaying how much of a fucking leap a simple dynamo would be for a country at this technology level, even with their access to magics unknown. I mean, you saw how everyone flipped their shit when MC whipped out his keit-ai
anyway, it's pretty obvious that you're having trouble keeping up with everyone so maybe you should just stop posting for today
>>142937772
completely different mindset = no fear of gods/demons/karma when it comes to lying/scamming people or using rhetorical tricks to fraud people. Since most people are illiterate/uneducated, you could talk down to them and make them instinctively act inferior to you.
knowing some basic chemistry or even cooking recipes could get you into a lot of people's good graces. The average peasent spends their life eatting garbage and spices/salt is considered rare. A modern person knows how to make salt from sea water or purify toxic rock salt via distillation. Just knowing the concept of distillation opens up a lot of opportunities.
it really depends on what kind of neet he is, what his otaku obsessions are, and so on. It's quite common in reincarnation stories for retard mc-kun to fall into mountains of pussy just by creating baths, soap, or some other common item that is a ridiculously hard to find luxury in backwards fantasy land.
Kazuma from re;zero got rich from selling lighter's i'd do that
At the very least he could make a simple gun.
>>142937772
He could always introduce the idea of chlorine gas to that world as a weapon. Not sure how he would do it but he should have learnt how to make it in highschool.
>>142950577
This is the best answer I've heard. Granted, it'd be a meager living but you'd probably be able to make some money from that.
It doesn't even have to be old stories. Just rewrite stories you remember from the modern world. People would be impressed by stories with modern technology just in the same way that people even 20-30 years ago were impressed by technology that eventually we learned to actually make.
The average human has not gotten any smarter over the past few thousand years.
For all of modern history, 99.9% of people are hopeless retards and the rest are smart. It's just that over time those few smart people have built up a large reserve of public knowledge, and because we have better education systems.
NEETs and other such losers of course love to think they're smarter than they really are though, so they won't realize or admit that.
>>142950659
Why bother. The French will just catapult dead cows over the walls.
>>142950618
but first, how are you going to convince a jewish banker to loan you the money to start a production?
Unless you reincarnated as a noble or whatever with money and reputation already, it'll be incredibly difficult to lay a foundation as an unknown stranger.
Invent the hamburgah.
Something I noticed about a lot of these posts is people assuming materials they are familiar with will have the names they are familiar with. Do any of you really think you could identify different metals or minerals like copper and zinc without being told they're as such?
especially when talking about those things in raw form.
>>142950659
To make chlorine gas you either need HCl and pyrolusite, or an electrolysis cell.
>>142937772
It isn't and it doesn't.
>>142950776
You underestimate the human desire toward beauty and vanity.
At one point in time, European males were convinced to cover their faces in white powder and don white wigs.
At one point in time, European females purposely wore extremely tight corsets that affected their internal body structure.
>>142950838
Copper is actually a fairly distinctive colour. But yes, distinguishing between zinc and magnesium would prove more of a challenge.
>>142950147
>Spacefaring races will naturally form different regional cultures with legal autonomy that expand exponentially with time
>some subset of those cultures will have legally protected prostitution
>some subset of those will have a seizable elf population that fetishizes humans
>you are the only ancient human in the universe
So I think you can look forward to a life of absolute decadence now that you're a top-shelf piece of ass surrounded by so many wealthy, horny elves.
>>142950736
But what about on the battlefield. That could be capitalized upon effectively.
>>142950175
Depends what kind of sci-fi. You could play up the whole weakening immune system stuff to make the MC the only guy who doesn't need a suit on the surface.
>>142950931
And neither of which were known in Europe before the 18th century, since zinc refining is actually pretty tricky, and magnesium is even worse.
>>142950855
If not, why not show them fractional distillation and oil? The byzantines used greek fire and if you could show how to build up on that to construct more effective fire ships you'd be pretty damn rich. The problem is getting the petroleum.
>>142946520
>simply because they were more hygienic.
they lived in a dry and arid environment, they were more hygienic by default. temperate zones are fucking brutal.
>>142937772
Do they have guns? Rifles are pretty simple. Concrete too. Tires if there's rubber trees around
Fuck that though I'd just learn magic
>>142950989
IIRC it was illegal for peasants to kill noblemen, so the gas would probably be outlawed.
>>142951047
It would probably be easier to start with tar, which has been produced since fucking forever by the dry distillation of pine wood.
>>142950618
That banks on
A: People thinking that shit is dangerous when they don't care and even use it as medicine
and
B. You being able to find a suitable replacement
Lead oxide is still hands down the best white pigment today. The nontoxic titanium oxide replacements we have in modern products like paint have shit-tier coverage comparatively. You wouldn't even be able to source titanium oxide. It would all be naturally bound up in titanite and sphene.
>>142950886
Those things only happened because of royalty. One guy was a bald fuck with bad skin and another was a fatty queen who wanted more brioche than self-control.
Hell, people were getting elective hemerroid surgery because King Louis had to get his butthole fixed.
The ME-TOO ME-TOO ism of nobles imitating royals would be the best thing to exploit.You know, like how it's the same today where the most popular's clothes and tastes disseminate
>>142951137
Good point. Why not show that by mixing carbon and iron you cab get steel. Use animal bones as carbon substitute.
>>142951158
That could work too.
>>142937830
>implying he knows physics
He is a NEET after all.
>>142951240
Steel's been around since BC times, lad.
>>142951298
Introducing a more efficient way to create steel would work, friend.
>>142951336
Fair enough.
>>142951240
>>142951336
>>142951346
Nah, you'd probably want charcoal as a carbon source. Still, the problem isn't so much making steel, as it is making large quantities of it, of good quality, economically.
>>142937772
For artfags who got transported, you can make an extremely good living selling pigments
http://hyperallergic.com/74661/the-colorful-stories-of-5-obsolete-art-pigments/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapis_lazuli
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mummy_brown
Also, your face when The Curse of the Mummy is a modern tall tale and historians believed the people who started associating Egyptian mummies with horror stores/tales actually wanted to put a stop to the Mummy trade which had been going on since the European Middle Ages and back then no one was afraid of going all the way to Egypt, breaking into a pyramid or crypt, and taking out a preserved mummy and then start converting it into products and goods because the idea of an Egyptian mummy curse was only invented hundreds of years later by people who wanted to put a stop to Pigments like Mummy Brown being made or people grinding out mummy parts into quack medicine.
>>142951240
People knew how to make steel at that time. In fact if you can't make semi-decent 40 carbon steel, you can't make chunks of steel big enough and thin enough for plate armor, which they already have.
They even knew about heat treating and work-hardening.
What they lacked was a way to carefully control the heat and carbon distribution. Which is a problem everyone has until you get the bast furnace.
>>142951351
And thats why i say bones. Its largely viable and easily available from farmers.
>>142951356
True, then how would one easily create a blast furnace with existing materials of that time period?
>>142951218
Fun fact: Quack NEETs managed to convince a few Chinese Emperors to drink liquid mercury in the hopes of attaining immortality and see how that turned out in the long run
Some people in this thread are overestimating the access one would need to get close to nobility much less royalty.
Just because you are a commoner doesn't mean you won't be able to convince those in power to do stupid shit.
For us modern humans who managed to get transported to another world, it would be easy to get access to those in power just from our unusual clothing much less our fucking shoes
I think even our zippers would impress everybody.
What would be funny is if the MC was sent back and tried to teach everyone about Evolution, but then it turned out that gods actually existed in that world and divine creation was legit.
All you anons claiming it's easy to do this and that, have you actually done the things you suggested?
Keep in mind that the MC has no internet and probably didn't keep a copy of Wikipedia in his phone.
>>142951355
Lapis isn't obsolete. It's the oldest and most famous blue and STILL used in high end paints to this day.
And neither is lead-oxide for that matter.
When you want the best, you get the best, especially for fine art. Both of those would be in use by the locals in any case OR the source would be so far away as to be unreachable.
>>142951440
See the conversation about it earlier in the thread. The main sticking point isn't building it. It's feeding it with low grade medieval hand mining and having the large amount of ancillary equipment to make use of the product.
>>142951406
Bones are mostly calcium phosphate, not carbon.
Forget about modern technology. Get some repo thugs on your side and invent fractional reserve banking. But have an exit route if those primitive screwheads start a bank run.
I'm also pretty sure I could invent blackjack (and most other casino games) without letting them know modern insight. Also, I'm betting they haven't run into many pyramid schemes yet either.
>>142951480
The only reasonable one I've seen is basic medical knowledge like hygiene. There were a lot of bad habits used until relatively recently that only made problems worse.
>>142951480
So does that mean you should never leave home without a phone, a solar charger, and a compressed copy of Wikipedia?
>>142951480
I've done some of it. I'm a pretty handy guy. But then I also had to read cover to cover the four volume translation of the 1960's German "how things work" that broke down all major technology up to the beginning of the computer age.
>>142951480
>and probably didn't keep a copy of Wikipedia in his phone.
He can only blame retarded self for that one.
Series would be much better with picrelated as mc
>>142951569
I don't see how he could get rich from that.
>>142951567
Ancient people favored dice over cards, anon, right all the way up until the Renaissance. Imagine the money you could make off Craps instead.
Saltpeter, Sulphur and Charcoal.
Become the God of WAR!
>>142951663
>Blow yourself up.
FTFY
>>142951645
Could make a living as a doctor, even our most basic modern knowledge would far outclass a lot of what they knew back then.
>>142951653
Marbles were extremely prized back then, too.
People understand the boner rich people had toward perfect circles/spheres.
Basic arithmetics and account should be good enough and all highschool students ought to know that much.
>>142951663
Sure anon. Let us know when you find a giant source of sulphur.
Ten bucks says you won't have a giant sulfur volcano like in Italy or the endless sulphur of the Texas caprock to fuel your war machine.
>tfw even King Charles bought his sulfur from the Italian mines for his invasion of Italy
>>142937772
Bruce Campbell did it. And he's just an employee at S-mart.
>>142951741
Even today, it's crazy all the machining steps it takes to carve and polish a perfect sphere from rock.
>>142938183
I've only read the first handful here, but simply teaching germ theory will do a lot.
>>142951704
Unless he had received proper training, he would be a doctor that can't even set bones, suture wounds. You think because you practiced CPR on a dummy a few times, you know first aid?
>>142951704
He's not going to convince anybody to let him doctor on them, if he knows jack-shit about modern medicine, while ancient and medieval doctors had huge philosophical systems of how the body and illnesses work.
>>142951704
The problem is that a doctor wasn't that high class in medieval age. You won't starve to death, but at the same time you won't be rich.
>>142951865
Teach? He would then have to first prove micro-organism exist.
When it all went wrong?
>>142951770
They had all that anon. Try using some math actually invented in the last couple hundred years, like calculus.
>Them architects creaming over all those accurate points on curves reduced to straight lines and areas under curves
Makes it a million times easier to design arches and bridges.
>>142951634
Wikipedia is not actually all that large, when you skim just the useful parts. A database download is 12GB, and you can actually get Wikipedia on a USB stick:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kiwix_-_Wikipedia_Offline
>>142951915
Not really. "Heat your instruments before using them to seal wounds." Congratulations, you've prevented 95% of infections back then.
>>142951915
Which isn't difficult.
Hey... what the fuck is a highschool neet? You're not really a neet untill you drop out of school.
>>142951869
Still better than "I see, you're got a rash? Must be due to your choleric humor. We'll just drain a pint of your blood and you'll be right as rain."
>>142951869
Even then, you would be a doctor that knows how to stop a lot of infections and slow the spread of disease. It would really depend on how you tell it though. Perhaps doctor may have been the wrong word.
>>142951931
Right. Why would anyone believe him?
>>142951941
A drop-out that dropped out at a highschool level, as opposed to in lower-than highschool level or higher education.
>>142947123
>and not having your shit in the streets wouldn't be too hard to convince people to do.
Pajeet my son...
>>142951932
Tell us how then, master.
>>142951956
Pasteur's experiments.
>>142951931
Wash your hands between surgeries.
Change into clean clothes after a surgery,
>get taunted by the entire medical community until you go get committed to an insane asylum
>>142951956
And why would anybody pay him for that advice? Even if doctors changed how they worked, how is going to make money off that knowledge? There are no patents and he exhausted his usefulness, after telling someone the advice.
>>142951956
Why would anybody believe the people that found out about that in the first place? Simple things like boiling water for safe drinking and keeping shit away from drinking water sources would be things that people wouldn't be averse to at least trying and you can work with it from there.
>>142951948
He would first have to convince people of that.
>>142951956
Because he can fucking demonstrate it working. You show them Pasteur's broth experiments, then use that to get them to let you do an experiment with wounded soldiers, and then you've proven it. Are you just trying to poke holes for no reason now?
>>142951980
See
>>142951997
>>142952025
>>142952016
Do you really think no one knew how to make money off of ideas until patents were invented? You make them pay for the knowledge - if need be you demonstrate it without showing them key parts, and then you take payment before explaining the rest. Or you prove it and then go out with a writ of approval and charge money to teach it to others. Or you do all the proving and then go lookng through molds until you find some antibiotic, and you sell that. Etc.
>>142952021
People managed to convince others of complete bullshit before without any proof at all. Like I said you just have to tell it right, once you manage to get the first step, the rest will come a lot easier as people will come to trust you more.
>>142952016
That's up to you, but being useful once leads to being useful again.
>oh it's easy, he just needs to do a Pasteur's experiments.
Right sure. Never mind that he first needs proper equipments for that. Never mind that the experiment takes a few week. People already knew about boiling water to get rid of bad stuff in the water before they knew what the bad stuff was.
Ask Roschi to sponsor me and start to write out all the legends, stories and songs of my world. Studying the existing literature of the world to find out what will appeal to the market and begin my life as a filth rich auteur. Win Emillia's trust and become an advisor and trusted friend.
Then slowly invest in science and technological development, incorporating magic where necessary to speed things up.
This plan sadly relies on the idea that a crazy witch doesn't have a torture boner for me.
>>142937772
Genjitsushugisha no Oukokukaizouki literally answers that question OP. Give it a read.
>>142952189
>proper equipment
Which all existed.
>a few week
And? As someone else pointed out earlier, if you show up with unheard-of clothing and technology, people are probably going to indulge you a bit on the off-chance you know something useful.
Seriously, you seem hellbent on believing that no one would ever accept technological advancement of literally any kind.
>>142952234
Stop responding to the retarded ESLfag.
>>142952189
>Never mind that he first needs proper equipments for that
He needs to find a glass blower. That's all. Barring China because of porcelain, all ancient societies had a glass blower.
>>142952234
And you just ignored that people knew about boiling water long before the discovery of micro organisms.
>>142952189
So Pasteur did it but for unexplained reasons you can't, despite knowing exactly how to do it and it requiring no advanced technology?
>>142952281
He had no money, where is he gonna get those?
>>142952312
He could sell his cell phone for seed money.
>>142952294
That has fucking nothing to do with it. You can demonstrate that there are things there causing it. Do redi's experiments to disprove spontaneous generation, if that's what you're talking about.
>>142952312
Get a sponsor. If you can't get one (because apparently everything that can go wrong has to go wrong in this shitty hypothetical), then work and don't eat, or sell your shoes/phone/whatever, etc.
>>142952296
Of course I can, I got all sort of junks in my house that I could use. The MC has nothing.
>>142952312
A slav tracksuit would be very interesting for a clothes merchant.
>>142952294
Do you not understand how Pasteur's experiment worked or what it showed? Because right now you're basically arguing that it didn't prove anything.
>>142952312
Sell his phone you fag.
>>142952416
Or his ass-pussy. Either works.
>>142952393
That's because it only proved something in hindsight. At the time, it didn't prove anything.
>>142952435
No, it kind of did. He was recognized basically immediately.
>>142952393
I'm saying people from that age aren't gonna understand it. At least the regular peasants won't. Someone who studied natural phenomenons would, but he would have to first find a way to meet them.
>>142952435
But the MC has the benefit of hindsight. He knows what he's trying to prove when he does it.
>>142952094
>Do you really think no one knew how to make money off of ideas until patents were invented?
The people that did tended to have either lots of understanding or lots of charisma. A hghschool dropout NEET has neither.
Being able to let out the key parts requires you to understand what the key parts are in the first place. He might know some factoids here and there, but he doesn't know the principles, and he wouldn't know how to derive and prove them either.
Meanwhile, there are rival snake oil merchants with a lot of charisma, whom authorities are more likely to believe, unless the NEET gets the chance to demonstrate, which the NEET wouldn't get. Heck, the snake oil merchants are charismatic as fuck even in a scientific society like ours that contradicts all they claim. In an unscientific society where science holds no authority, the NEET get any chance at all.
>>142952463
And he explains this to the peasantry how?
>>142952458
Yet again, I'm going to have to point out that he's got a bunch of interest-grabbing future stuff he could use to meet with them. Or he could just fucking claim he has medical knowledge, start telling peasants to do stuff, and wait until someone learned got interested.
>>142952494
I'm pretty sure everyone above the age of fifteen who isn't literally retarded knows the principles and key parts of both germ theory and the experiments to prove it.
>>142952494
>Heck, the snake oil merchants are charismatic as fuck even in a scientific society like ours that contradicts all they claim
To expand on this Anon here, imagine how ads you see for "DOCTORS DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS SECRET!" Think of what corporations would get away without the FDA. Hell, think of what they get away with WITH the FDA.
https://consumerist.com/2016/05/05/report-makers-of-oxycontin-knew-for-decades-that-pain-pills-could-wear-off-early/
>>142952509
he doesn't. Peasants don't expect fucking scientific explanations, the ones you have to explain to are the learned guys. Peasants you can just put one over.
>>142952540
>some weird dude with strange clothings claiming he knows magic
People certainly will pay attention.
>some weird dude with strange clothings claiming he knows magic, but first he needs a few weeks to show it
Nobody will care.
>>142952573
The problem is many drug laws don't apply to supplements in the US. There are other organizations for those, but they aren't technically laws, just guidelines and the like.
>>142952540
>'m pretty sure everyone above the age of fifteen who isn't literally retarded knows the principles and key parts of both germ theory and the experiments to prove it.
H-hehe, yeah... those silly below-15 year olds and literally retarded p-people...
>>142952623
I was using that as an example of snake oil salesmanship and charisma and creative licensing vs actual effects. All ice cream would be labelled fat free if they could get away with it.
Getting off of medical theories fora bit, another simple theory one could work with is something like ballistics and flight. You may not be able to do anything too fancy, but in a world with magic you could probably get a simple flying machine with wind magic. The hard part would be getting the weight and durability right, but you could prove the basic idea with a smaller model made with something easier to come by.
>>142937772
in shieldbro there's a country that benefited from the technology that people summoned from other worlds bring. There's cars, planes, guns and possibly an intranet exclusive to that one country.
The other countries don't bother because they either don't have the resources or time to build them.
>>142952738
Don't forget the fact that guns still scale with the user's level.
>>142952192
>crazy witch
The one with the torture boner is Roswaal.
>>142952799
Desu should be that guns scale with enemy level.
As the enemy level becomes higher, the gun becomes useless.
>>142952632
My condolences, anonI don't know it either. Burger public 'education' is pretty bad
>>142952799
Guns and armed vehicles.
>>142952894
No need. Guns can use either gunpowder-based propulsion which is faster but weaker in power, or magic-based propulsion that is slower but packs more punch. Since guns and the like can jam and need maintenance, people from other places prefer using the good ol' bow and arrow. Tanks can be replaced better by magic cannons, Planes can be shot down with well-placed gravity magic. And there's the cact you can't use healing magic on your guns.
>>142952738
>shieldbro
Tate no Yuusha?
>>142952931
>magic-based propulsion that is slower but packs more punch.
I really liked that in Break Blade.
Since pretty much everyone can use magic, all the tech including guns were based on basically controllable artificial muscle, so the guns were basically super strong pneumatics.
>>142952947
The same one
>>142952611
That's bullshit. Long-term work wasn't fucking invented in the 20th century.
>>142952229
Reading the description...
>In a world where the Demon King had taken over a fifth of the land. Souma Kazuya (Soma) was summoned to that world as a hero, but the king took a liking to his rich country strong army proposal and somehow handed him the throne. Soma, who had the throne forced upon him, forewent adventure, and together with the talented companions he gathered, went about his nation-building with his realism.
Already sounds stupid as fuck. At least Subaru voluntarily works to earn his spot at the mansion. Can you just summarize what this guy (Souma) does? Does he pull out his Wikipedia archive and start going 1939 on these magical fairy fucks?
Looking into this a bit more, I actually found out someone wrote a book on what would be needed to build modern civilization from scratch:
http://the-knowledge.org/en-gb/the-book/
It'd be handy if the MC had a copy of it on his phone too.
>>142951941
People lump hikkis ans NEETs together for some reason.
If I had access to diplomats, traders, criminals or military engineers, I'd teach them basics of and applications of cryptography. There's time-sensitive and secretive operations throughout the ages.
e.g., optical telegraphs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semaphore_line
Or the method of having public and private keys.
>>142953069
http://libgen.io/ads.php?md5=E83CF01E873269B9B543F86899A0D039
>sell cellphone
>buy a farm
>use crop rotation to become the biggest and bestest farm of all
Aren't there many WNs where the MC actually does somehow use their knowledge of our world to live in luxury in another one, and it's this cliche he is addressing in that line of monologue? How did the authors figure out a way for them to do that?
>>142940796
>Smelter can be created cheaply with clay/rocks.
That sort of thing is very likely to result in the kind of steel they already have, i.e. bloomery iron.
>>142937772
>has goals in mind for his new world
>everything gets turned upside down when bad stuff happens to him
>his entire outlook changes when he discovers what his 'power' is
>suddenly needs to focus on being happy with small things in order to stay sane after the amount of shit he goes through that no one else knows about/can know about
It's really a simple concept. Do you have trouble reading what are commonly referred to as "subtitles?"
>>142946032
>become DeBeers
That would truly make him a dark lord.
>>142953849
Who'd buy some worthless, easily broken box making a light and funny sounds?
>>142946032
Brilliant.
>>142953849
They probably already have that. Their world seems more early modern than medieval.
Where is this thread going to? Too much science. Even in school, they never teach you this shit and 90% of the crap we do in school don't mean shit later in life.
>>142937772
>highschooler
>NEET
9 hours and not a single person has pointed out this glaring error. You're losing your touch, /a/.
>>142954377
He's at the age where he'd be in high school but became a hikki/NEET. I don't see the issue here.
>>142953995
Generally they skip stages of production using the magic of the world, for example using crafting magic to engineer a modern product or alchemy magic to make chemicals
It's less of a stretch when they just have the transported guy be an engineer, like in A Yankee in King Arthur's Court
>>142954396
If he doesn't go to high school, then he's not a "highschooler" is he?
>>142954439
As I said: highschooler is to be understood as a description of age.
>>142954473
Not my problem he didn't quote the OP.
>>142954470
>is to be
But it's not. There are words for someone of "high school age," like young adult or adolescent.
>>142954509
Someone who is not autistic is capable of interpreting a choice of words by putting them in context, rather than going by literal meaning alone and being dumbfounded.
He could easily become rich by attempting to find the nearest thing that passes for a University in that world, and proceed to demonstrate and describe basic mathematics and methods. Then you ask for future "research" to be done that given certain stipends and living arrangements, and all the while drip drop the limits of your mathematical knowledge to maintain your position.
Honestly, utilizing engineering knowledge to make money in medieval times is simply not feasible. Manufacturing and Industry requires liquid capital for investment and the richest people around have nearly all their money tied up in land and food.
>>142954509
"Highschooler" is a demograpahic like "shounen", and doesn't have anything to do with age. It is about the age of your heart.
>>142954568
>describe basic mathematics and methods
What sort of mathematical methods is a 16 year old supposed to teach people?
>>142954377
That's because we've already had this argument like a dozen times and no one cares now.
>>142953175
Cryptography has been used since ancient times though.
>>142954612
If you know basic calculus you're a fucking genius.
>>142954568
Of course, rome wasn't built in one day.
>>142954661
More advanced methods are easy to remember and implement, though.
>>142954612
Basic stat.
>>142954612
Depending on the time period, they may have not even discovered algebra yet. He definitely can introduce the coordinate plain and the principles of algebraic geometry.
>>142954672
>If you know basic calculus you're a fucking genius.
At age 16 you can't do anything they can't already do themselves.
>>142954738
See above.
>>142954568
>and proceed to demonstrate and describe basic mathematics and methods
No normal highschooler can describe mathematical methods we take for granted, like integration, in the way a genius like Leibniz would, which would be necessary in order for it to be of use academically.
>>142954672
A highschooler doesn't know calculus. He merely applies it.
>>142954757
>See above.
Not true, even just introducing Bayes' theorem would be massive.
>>142944704
>With enough time, effort and Wikipedia, a middle schooler could make a V8 internal combustion engine.
That's great and all but he's in a fantasy world that doesn't have Wikipedia or even the internet so it's a little harder than you're making it sound in his situation.
>>142954776
You're right, but just demonstrating it would catch attention. You can let other people do the generalized theory - you aren't trying to be the greatest mathematician of all time, just get yourself a salary you can live on while doing nothing.
>>142954797
That something can happen based on conditions related to it?
>>142954749
Mathematics weren't as rigorously defined in the past, but they could do all kinds of things already. Not to mention that a 16 year old kid doesn't even know the 'basics'. He may be able to practically solve simple polynomials, but it's not like they couldn't do that themselves. The foundation of analysis is something that he would have absolutely no understanding of.
>>142954797
A 16 year old has no proper understanding of these things to introduce them with academic rigour.
>>142954826
Being an 'ideas guy' while having others do the actual work is usually not all too well appreciated.
>>142954776
>No normal highschooler can describe mathematical methods we take for granted, like integration, in the way a genius like Leibniz would,
Nor would he really need to. He would simply need to demonstrate the usefulness of the Calculus, and perhaps recite some basic proofs and definitions and leave the rest of the work to future generations and other better minds. The goal is to get your foot in the door and become rich off of stipend. In fact its even possible that while living on his stipend he could even develop actual mathematical talent to keep his job afloat.
>>142937772
>>142938183
If he learns magic, he can apply what he knows about physics and subatomic particles to manipulate matter or create even more advanced magics.
>>142954920
like casting fist?
>>142942486
>>142940192
Most high schoolers don't have the formula for black powder memorized and I doubt that your average high,school neet knows them.
>>142954904
Demonstrating a bunch of methods without fully understanding them will still make you relevant and will likely get you sponsorship.
>>142954873
Maybe I'm just retarded, but I honestly don't see how much advanced knowledge you'd need to explain Bayes theorem and makes its significance obvious.
>>142954904
The beauty of this plan is that being an "ideas guy" is in fact well appreciated. If you can even demonstrate the hint of a concept of branch of mathematics that had never before been contemplated, you have already reached groundbreaking status. Furthermore, this work doesn't exactly scale with man hours. People work for years trying to prove something or other and end up no farther than when they started.
>>142954961
Not even chimestry?
>>142954905
This. If you can cause advancements to happen, you're valuable, even if you aren't making the entirety of them yourself.
>>142954933
He could work out some kind of electromagnetism, gravity manipulation, high energy chemical reactions by splitting certain molecules. There's a lot of shit you can to with a little magic and some high-school knowledge. Also you're underestimating how much a neet researches random shit on the internet.
>>142940689
Yeah, Subaru is just some random NEET off the street but Kazuma's actually intelligent and got right by selling all his patents to mask-san.
>>142951997
I doubt that he even knows what that is off of the top of his head.
>>142954948
>Demonstrating a bunch of methods without fully understanding them will still make you relevant and will likely get you sponsorship.
The point is that other people could do much more impressive things than discuss very simple polynomial functions. He may be taken in as apprentice, possibly even gain a scholarship. But it's nothing that gives you world wide influence and makes you super rich. Especially not if you actually lack extraordinary mathematical talent.
>>142954948
>how much advanced knowledge you'd need to explain Bayes theorem and makes its significance obvious
You couldn't introduce it with academic rigour. It's not like they didn't have ideas in regards to probability during the Renaissance and earlier already.
Invent the lighter.
>>142955009
I'll rephrase that:
>>142954920
My highschool didn't offer "the fundamental physics of magic" classes.
You know what would help, though? Philosophy classes to do such conceptual analyses.
>>142954948
I still don't see what the fuck "academic rigor" means in this case, but they didn't have the actual formula, which is what he could give them.
>world wide influence
That's not what anyone's talking about. They literally mean "get money to do work, actually do no work because you already learned the stuff you're promulgating, be a well-off NEET for the rest of your life."a
>>142937772
Introduce the Happy Birthday Song.
Copyright it.
Boom. Easy money for life.
>>142955126
See OP:
>to help him get rich
>live a life in luxury
>>142955008
As I said: if you can't do the important proofs yourself and absolutely lack an understanding of the greater picture then this doesn't help.
Solving simple polynomials - and a 16 year old would hardly be able to do any more than that - is something they could do themselves already. Cardano introduced complex numbers in the early 16th century in order to solve bi-cubic equations.
They were building cathedrals during the middle ages. These people were far from stupid and it's complete hubris to think that a 16 year old NEET could teach them something about maths. He may have a 'hint' of an idea of what modern maths looks like, and perhaps he could even hint them in the right direction, but this is not going to make him famous because the actual work still needs to be done by others.
>>142954873
If he had a good teacher who taught him more than the basics of calculus (as delta x tends towards zero etc etc to derive from first principles) he could "invent" calculus himself.
>>142955086
It's pretty standard magic theory. If you're in a universe with magic, then it easy to deduce that it is part of the fundamental laws of physics. Most anime fantasy scenarios have all magic based on basic elements rooted in chemistry, meaning magic is just a type of physical phenomenon that allows you to manipulate the other physical properties of the universe.
So the conclusion would be that the more you understand of the physical properties of the universe, the more intricate you can manipulate them with magic.
>>142955187
I mean, I'm not sure what luxury means to you or OP, but I'd call living the life of a scholar without actually doing anything a life of luxury, given the time period. You're certainly better off than the common people.
>>142955206
If he can invent calculus himself then he's wasting his in time in school because he should be attending university lectures already. The point is: a 16 year old NEET probably isn't that kind of guy.
But even then: this still isn't the kind of stuff that makes you super influential. Other people HAVE invented calculus themselves (and other amazing things), and though they definitely gained social status they were by no means super rich and famous and capable of taking over the world or anything - they were simply scholars of renown, often became civil servants, but they still played second fiddle next to the monarchs and the guys who made politics.
Overlord had a player who was transported in the NW that had a minotaur player character. He introduced modern commodities such as refrigerators and fans without being able to explain how or why they were needed. He also introduced the concept of modern-day surgery which in the NW was pretty much:
>cut the fucker open
>remove diseased organ
>cast heal
>???
>profit
>>142955379
The player was also a lvl 100 godlike being with total control of magic and shit. Subaru is just some putz from the modern world.
>>142955211
>Most anime fantasy scenarios have all magic based on basic elements rooted in chemistry,
While I'd agree that analysis of magic would be easier and magic just be a(n additional) natural phenomenon because the very concept of the supernatural is paradoxical to me, I don't think that the basic elements of most fantasy anime actually map to the basic elements in real life chemistry.
Knowing that air consists of 78% nitrogenium doesn't tell you anything about the nature of the "element of air" by itself. You start with zero knowledge about this phenomenon in the new world.
>>142955483
Not that anon, but just the basic knowledge of viruses, cancer, bacteria and genetics would give you a huge boost in medicinal scholarship.
>>142955379
>He also introduced the concept of modern-day surgery which in the NW was pretty much:
>cut the fucker open
>remove diseased organ
>cast heal
>???
>profit
I don't see how modern surgical technique would be considered to them to be of any value when healing magic exists. The most he could contribute possibly is laughing gas if he knows how to make it.
>>142955793
There are diseases that cannot be cured by magic, and even then there's stuff that potions can't cure.
>>142955560
Not really, let's go through this step by step:
-He could breathe normally and there were no changes like fatigue, lightheadedness or any other abnormalities that could occur had the air itself been different. So from that he could deduce that the air composition is very similar to the one he's used to.
-The fact that the food in this world would keep him nourished the same way it is for everyone else tells him two things. The basic building blocks for life on this planet are the same, and they're nourished by the same things like glucose and proteins.
-The fact that his body doesn't feel heavier, or that he's not flying of the planet indicates that gravity functions in the same way.
-There are several minor experiments you can also easily do to determine if the laws of thermodynamics apply as well.
Once all those things have been determined, you can safely assume that all the laws of physics of your universe is the same as the new one. You can also deduce from this that magic is the only new factor in the equation, and that will allow you to work yourself up from there.
>tfw you want to take over England with your technological knowledge but Merlin won't let you
>>142955832
>So from that he could deduce that the air composition is very similar to the one he's used to.
Induce. The air might simply consist of 100% new elements like isekeigenium that are just as breathable.
>The basic building blocks for life on this planet are the same, and they're nourished by the same things like glucose and proteins.
Same as above. Maybe the basic building blocks for life are small invisible gel cubes that actually kill you slowly, but make you think that they're normal food.
>indicates that gravity functions in the same way.
Maybe he doesn't feel heavier because he actually got lighter during the transportation, while the athmosphere pressures more, keeping you on the planet.
>-There are several minor experiments you can also easily do to determine if the laws of thermodynamics apply as well.
Which might all work, but for the wrong reasons. Maybe there isn't even a uniformity of nature and thermodynamics only works on that planet, but not elsewhere? Maybe it'll stop working tomorrow? Maybe it hadn't worked before, and everyone mistakenly believed it did.
>Once all those things have been determined, you can safely assume that all the laws of physics of your universe is the same as the new one.
You only investigated a few aspects, yet make a claim about all aspects of the universe's physis.
>Get transported to fantasy Middle Ages world
>Knows Advanced Calculus
W-Well at least knowing math could score you a decent job doesn't it
>>142956179
I'm pretty certain that if breathing wasn't an automatic function you'd be dead by now.
Changing the name of something doesn't mean the properties are different. You can call Hydrogen whatever the fuck you want but it will still be an atom with a single proton. If the air was composed by anything different than what he was used to, it would automatically be incompatible with his biology and he would immediately notice a difference. Hell if the universe wasn't composed of atoms but some other bizarre form of matter then he would still immediately die since his body wouldn't even know how to process those.
As for your gravity argument, having lower gravity and higher air pressure would literally kill him, our body can withstand almost 9 atmospheres of water before dying. Any kind of pressure that would compensate for any kind of lack in gravitational force would be enormous, and even if that didn't kill him, the air density itself wouln't allow him to breathe because it would blow his lungs up. Air pressure is higher the closer you are to the ground, and since in your scenario the pressure is substituting the lack in gravity, it would propel Subaru upwards as soon as he jumped, or even slightly left the ground.
Just simply boiling water in a pot with a lid on can confirm thermodynamics, it's not rocket science, which is why we learn it at all in high-school. And laws of physics are considered "laws" because they are constant and unchanging. And as soon as any of them stopped working, Subaru would probably cease to exist in one way or another.
And yes, you can assume that because these things are what holds the entire universe together.
>>142956499
>I'm pretty certain that if breathing wasn't an automatic function you'd be dead by now.
I'm pretty sure that if I don't go sleeping soon, I'll be dead, because I've been awake for 38 hours now.
>Changing the name of something doesn't mean the properties are different.
I'm not proposing a scenario where atoms are simply called a different way, I'm proposing one in which they literally have different, but similar properties. So similar that you'd confuse them with the elements you're used to, which might even exist in parallel.
>You can call Hydrogen whatever the fuck you want but it will still be an atom with a single proton.
Even in an isekai world? That isn't certain. The only things that would stay the same are purely rational constructs, which the concept of a hydrogen is, but hydrogens themselves aren't.
>If the air was composed by anything different than what he was used to, it would automatically be incompatible with his biology and he would immediately notice a difference.
Depends on just how different the air is. If there's only a 0,0000000000000000000000000000001% deviation, would he notice a difference? He theoretically could, but it's improbable.
>Hell if the universe wasn't composed of atoms but some other bizarre form of matter then he would still immediately die since his body wouldn't even know how to process those.
Depends on how different the other form of matter is.
>As for your gravity argument, having lower gravity and higher air pressure would literally kill him
Depends on the degree of difference and whether gravity works the same in that universe.
>And laws of physics are considered "laws" because they are constant and unchanging.
Which is simply an assumption. They don't have to stay constant here, they even moreso don't have to stay constant in a different universe.
>And yes, you can assume that because these things are what holds the entire universe together.
How do you know? Maybe those are derived from a superior law.
>>142947758
you realize mercury in fish is a result of modern day pollution in the ocean water, right?
>>142953995
Usually by using magic to skip steps. For example Gun Ota protagonist skips the metallurgy and machining stage of gunsmithing by using a magical metal that you can reshape using magic power and the power of imagination. Arifureta's protagonist does similar things with crafting magic and the power of asspulls. Mushoku Tensei's Nanahoshi introduced some boring things to school that really anybody could have done such as blackboards, school uniforms, and curry, while the protagonist can only really be credited with suggesting the concept of the fax machine.
>>142957112
Pouring magic into the process can also change the quality of the product and also bring undesired effects when using too much or too little. In shieldbro there's craftsmen that can consciously pour magic into the product to raise it's effect or quality. most of them use it on a subconscious level (as in they're not aware they're using magic while doing something like cooking), but it is also said that it's important to "listen" to the materials during the process. Cutting a whole table in half by accident is an example of pouring too much magic into a knife.
>>142938758
Most high-school courses in the UK teach you how to create DC and AC motors and the basics of electrical function; if you're smart enough you can easily replicate it with time, trial and error.
>>142956807
By keep existing at that universe you already know electromagnetism, strong/weak nuclear force are the same, else you'd cease to exist, unless the summoning process only got his conscious/soul and made a new body for him, wich can't be tested. Gravity can be tested by simple experiments. If all 4 forces are the same, other properties should be the same as well
>>142957827
>else you'd cease to exis
What do you mean by "you"? The body or consciousness, or both?
You merely know that something that perceives exists in the isekai world. It doesn't have to be "you" as you were in the real world at all.
> If all 4 forces are the same, other properties should be the same as well
Assuming that there's only those four principles that order the universe. But what if there's a fifth? Or what if there's only one or two, from which the four are derived?
>>142957985
That's why I proposed that method of transportation, and since his cell works just fine all the principles that makes it work are similar to ours
Anyway this could be solved when you actually learns magic and test if what we proposed works
>>142958042
You are just assuming that that the cells work the very same way, but you can't know that. Maybe there's similar, but different configurations, that work just as well or even better, but are based on totally different principles.
>>142958097
Yes, I'm assuming his body was summoned as it was, and wasn't reconstructed in the process, wich we can't actually test.
What will happen is, by doing said tests we assume they are the same, and try applying this to magic, it's the best we could do for this case.
I thought the point was that he was delusional about his situation and in fact was not going to be living the easy life like what happens in his favorite webnovels?
>>142958097
That's just how science works,
>observe
>propose an explanation
>test
>The results looks like enforce your explanation
>use it to make stuff
>if something goes wrong start again
>>142958149
Well, if you're just assuming it, then that's fine, because if not then your argument would be that the cells work fine because the laws of the universe are the same, and that the laws of the universe are the same because the cells work just fine, which is a circular argument, which is what has been bothering me the whole time.
>>142954266
It's worth quite a bit as they think it's something else
>>142937772
By introducing anything that doesn't exist (yet). It would be fucking easy.
You really have 0 imagination.
>>142958478
And how do you introduce things that you have only the most superficial idea of how they work, genius?
I like how most people just gloss over the first step of "convince someone in power you have any idea what the fuck you're talking about" and ignore the fact that a NEET would likely have negative charisma stats.
>>142958603
Yeah if he could go head and convince high status people to believe him he wouldn't be a NEET in the present.
Socially awkward people think that all they need is knowledge and a medieval setting where they're smarter than everyone else would give them their dues but they don't realize even in history those with better social influence stole the work of smarter people all the time.
Unless they lucked out and met the right people they're going to just starve to death or be forced to live out the rest of their lives as a peasant.
>>142958415
It was more like the cells works fine, the laws of universe should be the same, let's act as if they are, try to figure the magic stuff and see what happens
>>142958603
He doesn't seem to have had a problem worming his way into Emilia and Roswell's good graces.
Whisky
I hate this fucking world, too many god damn fuckers in it.
Too many thoughts and different societies all wrapped up together in this fucking place called AMERICA.
Everyone has their own god damn opinion on every god damn thing,
and you may be saying 'Well what makes you so different?'.
Because I have something only me and V have; SELF AWARENESS.
Call it exortenstiolism or whatever the fuck you want.
We know what we are to this world, and what everyone else is.
We learn more than what caused the civil war and how to simplify quadratics in school.
We've been watching you people and we know what you think and how you act.
All talk and no action.
People who are said to be brave or courageous are usually just STUPID,
then they say later that they did it on purpose cause they're brave,
when they did it on fucking accident.
God everything is so corrupt and so filled with opinions and points of view,
and peoples own little agendas and schedules.
This isn't a world any more.
It's H.O.E and no one knows it.
Self awareness is a wonderful thing.
>>142958788
autism is a wonderful thing
>>142958591
With magic.
>>142958902
If magic makes creating these things trivial, then why haven't the residents of that world already used magic to create them?
>>142938509
Speaking of phone, just how the fuck did its battery last that long?
>>142937772
The whole problem stems from the fact that he's not a good student.
Now imagine if we sent a guy with a PhD in mechanical engineering there.
>>142959043
Because it's not a smartphone.
>>142959043
A flip phone with no signal would last a while, and it's only been like a week
>>142959043
>that long
I see that everyone falls in this trap.
There have been a lot of episodes happening but at the end of the 11th episode, it was only the end of the 4th day in the world. It's kinda interesting how incessant timeleaps can fuck with the viewer's time perception. Flip phones last longer than smartphones.
>>142937772
He just thinks he can get rich from his knowledge of the future, but he can't. If he could he would've done that already.
>>142937772
>supposed to help him get rich in a totally different fantasy world?
Become a noble's right hand man and teach him the fractional-reserve banking trick.
>>142960459
We've had that for centuries.
Are isekai hate threads going to be the new weekly meme thread?
>>142961607
I thought this was a Re: Zero hate thread.
>>142962039
OP wanted isekai hate thread
>>142945350
Where am I going to get rudimentary equipment? I've got moldy fruit, a bucket, fire, and a goose quill.
Why doesn't Subaru requests for loads of charcoal, potassium nitrate and and sulfer? He can experiment for the right ratios and make bombs and muskets. He can help Emilia win the throne in a bloody coup that shakes the very foundations of the kingdom but nooo. Fuck Subaru
>>142955921
>mark Ewain
For an popular writer he has dubious standards of orthography and capitalization.
>>142959081
>>142959161
It's a flip smart phone though.
>>142964225
>It's a flip smart phone though.
The fucks that?
>tfw only ever used slide phones nokias and smartphones
>>142961607
Only if the OPs are total reposts.
>>142964246
>The fucks that?
Google it you retard.
Why doesnt Subaru master his OP debuff magicks
Why doesnt Subaru learn sword skills from dutch redhead
Why doesnt Subaru become badass assassin
Why doesnt Subaru serve Emilia by assassinating people
>>142964358
I'd be satisfied if he just got his mageclass to level thirtysomething and learned simple spells like Time Stop and Gate.
>be oriental
>be 173cm tall
Tfw same height as hikki neet
>>142954920
Actually, anyone that has basic manipulation magic and knowledge of our era would steamroll through middle ages. Doesnt even need to be medium level magic.
Reminder that people are still thinking petroleum is useless and shit back in this days.
>>142964951
Well it is useless unless you've invented the internal combustion engine.
>>142964358
His mana gate is fucked, that's how.
Man, so many series about going into a fantasy world, but why is there none yet where the MC is trying to revolutionaize the world into modern era?
>>142966278
>why is there none yet where the MC is trying to revolutionaize the world into modern era?
But there are. Potatoes and useless meat. It was posted in this thread.
