Do you think there's more or less creative freedom for directors in the industry today?
It depends.
>>142933242
/thread
Less, of course. Everything has to be moe-moe and every girl has to be a semi-retarded virgin. They've complained about that many times.
>>142933242
>>142933469
I was just thinking for instance, something like NGE.
I really doubt some studio would let a relatively unknown director do whatever he wanted and have complete creative control over an entire project. Something like that I really cannot see happening today.
>>142933591
It depends on the studio, I think.
>>142933591
Firstly Anno wasn't completely unknown and old Gainax was largely independent. Secondly young directors are given control in many instances, think of Yamada or Matsumoto who are < 30 and exert a high degree of creative control over their works. Finally we have projects like Anime Tamago or the Animator Expo which exist in order to provide the kinds of opportunities you describe.
>>142933120
Obviously less.
Just look at all those 80's OVAs.
Stuff like that has become rare nowadays.
Not whining about muh retro anime but that's just the way it is.
>>142933591
Except Anno was one of Gainax founders and Gunbuster was a big success.
>>142933120
I think the LN-based source material market has saturated the industry, to be honest.
Definitely less creative freedom.
>>142933836
OVAs disappeared because that kind of business model doesn't make sense any longer, not because of a lack of freedom. I'll grant that in the 80s big projects were more lavishly funded though, thanks economy.
Eroge producers have been complaining that the demands of the purityfag audience are absolutely suffocating.
>>142933968
Its that or 50+ generic copy paste moeshit
Choose your poison because otaku wont boy original anime
>>142933120
Interesting that you posted Kite, because that's something I cannot see being made today. Especially with all those sex scenes.
>>142933823
this
>>142933120
I WOULD say less...but then I saw Endless Eight. I can't think of a single old anime that would even think of trying to get away with that (OP just asked about creative freedom, not about it actually being good).
Making anime is expensive. How the director got it approved to animate the same scene eight times for a series fans have been starving for for years is beyond me. But in any case, that's god-tier creative freedom.
>>142934370
>Moeshit
You don't belong here
>>142933120
Who gives a flying fuck tbqh familypizzapasta
>>142935003
>if you don't like the lowest form of anime you don't belong here
>tfw won't bring back the age of OVA, especially from your pic's director
>>142934808
The endless eight was not some sort of contemporary art piece though.
That happened because Kadokawa told KyoAni last minute they wanted a movie. E8 happened to time the movie correctly. It was either E8 or a ton of KyoAni original episodes.
>>142935662
>The endless eight was not some sort of contemporary art piece though.
>Implying
Less because only otaku's comfort zone shit sells.
Don't know because I don't care
I don't know if there's less creative freedom.
But there's certainly less creativity.
>>142933120
Thanks for the reminder, need to fap to that.
>>142934370
>Its that or 50+ generic copy paste harem romcom
fix that for you
>>142934387
The fact that it's technically a hentai still blows my head off. They had balls.
Mezzo Forte was better, tho.
>>142933120
Directing as an art form died with Kon.
Kite is shit. People pretend to like it because it is controversial.
>>142938291
I watched it independent of any context.
I like the sequel too.
>>142938291
>controversial
Is it though? It's premise is pretty westernized.
>>142938230
How does that make any sense?
>>142935180
>>142934370
>/v/ buzzwords
>That grammar
>Fedoraposting
>>142938358
Because Kon was the last good director, duh.
>>142938788
Why don't you like any other contemporary direct?
>>142938882
Because they're all shit. With the exception of maybe Yuasa, but even he doesn't do that much.
>>142935003
>>142938483
>triggered moeshitter
>>142933120
Nice shitposting thread.
>>142939490
Which others do you know? Like, who do you specifically think is shit?
>>142939602
>moeshit image
>>142939689
>lain
>moeshit
>>142935662
>That happened because Kadokawa told KyoAni last minute they wanted a movie.
Do you have a source on that? I recall Endless Eight being a creative decision made early in the process.
Also, they had Gatoh write Endless Eight with Takemoto while he was still in the middle of writing ASBM and Sigma. I doubt they would have gotten his help last-minute.
>>142939716
It is "deep" moeshit for people who think they are above moeshit.
>>142933591
Anon, Anno was one of the founders of Gainax, Nadia had done quite well, and by the time of NGE he was already the most well-known person from the studio. This isn't some random unknown guy being given a blank check. Hell, even Toei letting Rie Matsumoto do the Kyousogiga OVAs was more daring than Gainax letting Anno do a project.
>>142933120
Less
A lot less
Like, so little you can't even joke about it
>>142934370
>blaming otaku who buy otaku anime
>not blaming the normalfags who don't buy any anime
This will always be retarded.
More
>stuff like animator expo to showcase new talents and individual talent
>more 12 episode series, meaning studios can take more of a risk on new or creative ideas
>more start-up studios than we've seen in a really long time
Less
>industry still heavily reliant on an increasingly insular group of 18 to 40 year old otakus; said group shrinks in size every year
>conservative business practices still in effect
>more anime studios owned by big conglomerates
It's probably about the same?
>>142934274
Now this is just retarded. If you don't want to have to pander to the readers' taste in fetishes, then don't fucking get a job making sexually explicit stories where the reader has to choose a partner to romance.
>>142939917
>said group shrinks in size every year
Source?
Also, Toei and Bandai were always big conglomerates. Sony coming in is really the only big change on that front.
>>142939835
normalfags don't buy anime because it's nearly all designed for Otakus why would you expect normalfags to buy that? Anime that's for normies studios like Ghibli caters to and it sells well enough
>>142939917
Mind as well that Japan's economy literally hasn't grown since the mid-90s. Times have been tough and financing hard to come by for two decades now.
>>142940021
Source is demographic statistics.
People age out of the group, and Japan's population is shrinking.
>>142933561
>Everything has to be moe-moe and every girl has to be a semi-retarded virgin
This is the thing that bothers me most about the state of the industry nowadays. All the girls are "soft". They have no personalities. They're all rounded edges and bland archetypes. They're like dolls, created just to please the male otaku audience.
I feel like Motoko was one of the last of the tough women you used to see in the 80s and 90s. She's literally a doll, but she still has more personality and spirit than 99% of the girls you see in more recent anime.
>>142940113
>normie
Fuck off.
>>142940142
Female protagonists from the late 80s and 90s are actually just better than what we get now, by and large.
>>142940134
Source for that demographic shrinking yearly? The population declining doesn't automatically mean the 18-40 year olds are declining.
>>142933120
Yes.
>>142940198
>>142940142
I disagree, the old ones were just as bland, they were just more like Western action leads, and you happen to like those more than cutesy stuff. You also used to watch primarily action anime and gritty OVAs, and nowadays you're more exposed to the rest of the industry (partially because it's grown but also because the old high school stuff didn't tend to get heavily marketed overseas).
>>142940182
not an argument
>>142940142
Soft > muh hardboiled fighting cop
>>142940291
If you're talking about action heroes, you're talking about a very slim criteria that most female characters in anime (then and now) fall outside of.
Basically, there were just as many high school girls back then as there are now, but that's not the problem.
>>142940291
>I disagree, the old ones were just as bland
This.
>>142940217
The 0 - 14 population has declined by 2 million compared to 10 years ago.
>>142940428
>0-14 years old underlined
We're talking about 18-40.
>>142940113
>normies
>>>/r9k/
>>142940432
>Basically, there were just as many high school girls back then as there are now, but that's not the problem.
I don't think Lum or Akane or Minami or whichever 80s high school romcom girl were all that more tough or less "soft" than girls nowadays.
>>142939917
"Animator Expo" BD sells like shit. They have zero sales. Nothing can safe anime. Even Ghibli last show sells like shit without Miyazaki epic name on poster. Yes, it was shit CG, but some CG anime sells. You can't just educate people about art, devlope their taste etc. And anime BD price is rediculous. At least some people trying to be original, but I feel bad for them. They litteraly work for free. So Enjoy LN garbage and other marketing shows for eternity
>>142940551
>>142940182
samefag
>>142940432
>Basically, there were just as many high school girls back then as there are now, but that's not the problem.
The problem is that now, they're ALL brainless, boy-crazy high school girls. That tough woman archetype has vanished. All we're left with is soft nonthreatening fluff-for-brains sex dolls.
>>142933120
I think there's a dichotomy where you have more subjects that you can potentially bring to mainstream/TV audiences (exemplified by all the various fetish shows), but on the other hand there's a greater desire to play it safe from a business standpoint and just cater to the established niches. Whereas in the bubble economy you could get every kind of shit financed, but most of it would soon fade into obscurity.
So there is more freedom in theory, but it is stifled by the market.
>>142940632
>being this new
>>142940690
So basically your issue is that you liked the old generic girl and don't like the new generic girl. That isn't really relevant, though.
>>142933120
Much, much less.
>>142940690
> brainless, boy-crazy high school girls
What are you even talking about?
>>142940743
>being this new
better than being a samefag
>>142940956
No, it's actually not.
>>142933120
>ITT: People who don't like romcoms, harems, and SoL watch those shows and then complain that they exist
Wasn't anime prior to NGE mostly toy commercials and kids shows? Nowadays it seems like directors aren't grabbed by the balls from producers as much.
Speaking out of my ass, of course. I know Kyoani is on the production committee with their anime so they practically have full reign.
>>142941034
Now check ongoing list.
>>142934387
it can be made on Netflix and on AT-X
>>142939643
>shitposting
It's not bad to have a substantive debate once in awhile.
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well probably less but not from a lack of actually trying.
The simple fact of the matter is that the economy is in the shitter so they just can't afford to let every director make a go now where ova pilot
>>142939985
>p-please keep pandering to my insecurities
An autistically vocal minority is forcing them to write the same kind of story over and over again. It's not like most of them went into the industry knowing it'd turn out that way. Nor is it easy to change jobs in Japan.
>>142941247
KyoAni have almost only made adaptations of novels they publish themselves since chu2koi, with Euphonium and Amagi being the sole exceptions.
>>142940626
There's no Animator Expo BD yet.
>>142943270
Silent Voice is a notable one too.
>>142943270
Tamako Market and Love Story were originals. Free TV technically were too. Also, they're top of the production committee for Koe no Katachi.
>>142941464
Wanna try that again in English?
>>142934387
>all those sex scenes
Anon, it's an H-anime. Sex scenes are not a problem. The problem is that no one gives H-anime budgets nowadays.
