Bogue is the cutest girl!
Mirage is love, Mirage is life
I love Arad!
>>142903369
>>142903369
ROBOTECHX.COM
Mikumo-sama is the Beginning and the End
>>142903591
So, what's the meaning of his red runes?
How will they justify the wind regime's faggotly? who made that cool looking hole? does that hole worth all the rage? why would MC pick pink Ranka? she's gonna become an old hag in like 10 years or less.
>>142903887
No, my reverberating friend
she is not the beginning and the end
>>142903887
All has been revealed !!
So I started watching this 2 days ago. Caught up today and I'm now disappointed that there's no new episode for me to devour. I wasn't expecting this show to be so good.
Now that I'm posting here, what's the general consensus about Mirage vs Freyja?
Just one slow episode and these threads are barely alive.
>>142904603
Mirage is going to win the Hayatebowl.
>>142904603
Freyja is the undisputed best girl.
https://a.uguu.se/87SbcycBz7gc_rabu.mp3
>>142904603
Mirage vs Freyja is shitposting carried over from Frontier. They are working together, not competing against one another.
>>142904967
In a recent episode (I think the Jellyfish one?) Hayate made a remark about how Messer should just confess his feelings and it showed Mirage and Freyja both reacting to it, which heavily implied that they both have a crush on Hayate.
Hayate better not just pull fold shenanigans out of his ass.
>>142905003
What if it implied something else?I'm just fucking around, but I genuinely hope the triangle gets wrecked one way or another. The threads would be glorious
>>142905086
Yeah that would be funny, heh. I mean, I was hoping one of them would die maybe.The actual death that did happen felt really obvious, it was so heavily death flagged that I saw it coming two episodes away and I'm sure /a/ did too.
>>142904603
Is this your first Macross?
>>142905003
Mirage thinks that Freyja likes Hayate. Freyja thinks that Mirage likes Hayate. That's why they looked at each other...
>>142905125
Yes. I didn't even know the premise of Macross before watching this. I plan on watching the rest of the series afterwards though because a friend of mine who is really into Macross says that it's nowhere near as good as the first one.
>>142904659
>you now realize that Mirage and Hayate will get rekt in the upcoming Ragna battle and will spend together in an island for an entire episode
>>142905159
But that only works with enemies.Suddenly... Macroseed now.
>>142905153
>admitting to being this new
>>142905236
> Heinz gets stranded with Mikumo
>>142905283
Oh god no, thats so wrong, poor Heinz.
Actually it's better if itsBogue and Freyja. Imagine their runes.
>>142905381
But that's the obvious choice. That orBogue and Hayate.
>>142905381
I'm convinced he would strangle her to death if they were left alone. Kid's got issues.
>>142905283
>she keeps saying crazy shit like how much she likes his bioweapon song of mass destruction
>>142905434
Bogue is basically AND WE personified.
>>142905434
I think he has a special connection with her but he refuses to accept it (for now). You should get used to the idea that at some point he is going to be at her side (not as a lover interest or something like that) instead of trying to kill her.
>>142904603
>Now that I'm posting here, what's the general consensus about Mirage vs Freyja?
>>142904603
More important question. Your thoughts on each individual girl in Walkure.
>>142905434
Freyja will unleash the kung fu she learned in the idol training camp and BTFO Bogue.
>>142905574
> Bakuon in the top ten
Wasn't expecting that.
>>142905153
Don't take your friend's word on it. Though the original was indeed a great series in certainly had it flaws. As a fan of Macross for the past 30 years I consider Delta as on of the best entries in the Macross frachise.
>>142905267
There's absolutely nothing wrong with being new as long you don't act like a complete retard.
>>142905159
That can't happen, because they'll be down to two pilots.
So it has to be someone else.
>>142905573
He clearly hates her guts. He was ready to kill her. He has a thing for Kieth though
>>142905574
>Mirage beating Mikumo despite having the least screentime
Freyja can take the Newtype polls, Mirage will take Hayate.
>>142905660
>they'll be down to two pilots.
That's exactly the point stupid idiot.
Windermere is getting glassed and will retreat after their king gets rekt by NUNS and Lady M.
>>142905574
>implying a popularity poll of a single magazine determines the outcome of the love triangle
>>142905573
I'll get used to the idea when the show introduces it. I'm not saying it can't happen, but I don't see why you're already assuming it will. So far his only interaction with her (or any of the Walkures, for that matter) has been raging uncontrollably.
>>142904603
I want to like Mirage because she's Max's and Milia's granddaughter, but it's really hard when Freyja is so fucking amazing so far. There's also the problem she's treated like a secondary character instead of a main one like these two.
>>142905426
RIP Hayate
>>142905654
Either way I plan on watching all of these, I like how the songs make the mecha fights feel like music videos. It's a neat combination.
To be honest I only picked this show up because of the Freyja dancing webm.
Why is Mirage so fucking ugly?
>>142903935
Tsunderism.
>>142905670
That's just power of marketing. If they didn't say that Mirage is part of triangle she would never get that high on Newtype rankings
>>142905670
>>142905711
Sure happened to Ranka and Sheryl, right?
>>142905792
That's zero excuse for Mikumo since she's also pegged as part of the main idol cast and has more screentime than Mirage.
>>142905819
Ranka and Sheryl traded Newtype spots though
>>142905844
Sure, show me when has Ranka ranked before Sheryl.
>>142905819
That was merely coincidental and has nothing to do with Newtype's polls.
>>142905711
Delusional Freyerfags in full damage control.
>>142905711
The polls have no bearing at all on who will win the triangle because the triangle resolution is already planned before the show starts airing.
>>142905820
When it comes to shipping wars, shippers are willing to drop other characters they favor just so the one they want to win the ship is ranked well.
Basically the fans are in two categories: Freyja and Mikumo.
Freyja fans voted for her. Mikumo fans are subdivided into two categories Mikumo/Freyfrey fans voted for Freyja, and Mikumo/Mirage fans voted for Mirage because of the triangle.
>>142905712
Well, my point is that they are showing Bogue as a someone that reacts more in front of Freyja, more than the rest of the knights that actually don't care (not at least that much).
In episode 8 IIRC Bogue had a red-black rune when Freyja was singing while the rest of the knights were showing their normal runes without any special color. If red means hatred, then why the black colour? This is why I'm thinking that actually he is connected in a good way (red color), but refusing it (red with black).
By the way I found this about red with black color in Japan:
>color of mystery and the night
>may be associated with feminine energy - either evil and a threat or provocative and alluring
>>142905844
You're wrong. I have all the Newtypes and Sheryl always outranked Ranka and ranked when she wasn't in the survey since the very beginning.
>>142905960
I'm a Mikumofag and I'll choose Freyja over Mirage for Hayate. Mikumo ships Freyja and Hayate and we must obey her will.
>>142905960
>all these excuses
Mikumo bombed and will be overtaken by Reina and even Kaname with the next issue.
>>142906027
>I'm a Mikumofag
t. Freyjafag posing as a """Mikumofag"""
>>142905763
I originally gave Delta a shot because the premise reminded me ofmy favourite trainwreck.The first episode did not disappoint.
>>142905763
Since you're planning on watching the rest I recommend doing it in production order. Also watch the movie retellings of SDF Macross and Macross Frontier. 7 has an OAV series and a movie but isn't a retelling of the tv series. Plus and Zero are OAV series though the latter is a prequel to the original.
>>142904603
We already know
>>142906058
Wrong.
So did Episode 11 basically say Mirage will fall for Hayate by the end of the show?
>>142905159
This happened in almost all gundam tv series and mecha series done by sunrise post-SEED,with the exceptions being G-reco and ibo
>>142906028
Haha, Mikumo hater and denial. Mikumo ranked 1 spot below the supposed main character of the series. We don't even know anything about the shinpi queen, yet her rank is higher compared to someones whose dreams, and weaknesses are. Plus Mikumo is a secondary character, and has less screen time than Mirage.
MUSIC IS
>>142906139
OVER!
>>142905820
Mirage has more screentime though. She just spends it doing absolutely nothing.
>>142906136
>has less screen time than Mirage.
>implying
Mikumo sings, has lines and is shown in tandem with Freyja while Mirage only says one-liners and a few phrases relating to Hayate in a small portion of the episode.
>>142905974
He isn't reacting to just Freyja. He is reacting to Walkure as a whole. The reason he specifically reacted to Freyja in episode 8 was because she was the only one singing at that scene. He hates their songs and will react the whomever is singing it.
He was literally face to face with Freyja, and nothing happened. He didn't care about her or her life. He was literally going to kill her, and then was ready to watch Kieth killed her.
Just how many souls do you think that green haired monster has devoured?
>>142905932
Fuck off retard. I'm neither a Freyjafag or Miragefag and it doesn't matter to me who wins as long as it resolves properly. You're the delusional one to think magazine polls have anything to do with the result of the triangle.
>>142905952
Yes I'm very aware of that. There are just faggots here who are this deluded to think that they are.
>>142906183
Even with singing Mirage has more screen time than her. Mikumo literally shows up to sing, and if she isn't singing her lines are also one-liners as she only mostly interacts with Walkure and is absent majority of each episode. Mirage flies, and also interacts and holds conversations with people. Makina and Reina have more screen time than Mikumo because they interact with people also and have conversations.
>>142906179
She's the Speedwagon of Delta.
This latest episode was really good, best one so far.
Can't get over how well the singing in the sea scene was done.
>>142906427
It's funny because when episode 8 came out it was the best one, then we all said 9, then 10 and not everyone so much 11 but it's still a pattern and i'm sure everyone will say 12 is best too.
>>142905600
Personally, I like Freyja a lot. I like titmonster & noboobs, they're cute together, and the "hacking" scene was one of my favourites. Every scene with Kaname was sweet. And I like how enigmatic Mikumo acts.
If I had to rank them I'd say Freyja = Mikumo > the other three about equally.
I'm not crazy about Mirage, she just seems like a plain tsundere who is hard to care about.
When will we get a scene that can match the sheer spectacle of episode 1's last few minutes?
>>142906496
They are all good episodes. I can't decide which ones I like more.
>>142906139
A crutch to excuse poor writing and a reason to insert idols into proper military science fiction, to the detriment of the viewer and of the story. Bravery and heroism should never take a backseat to someone's attempt at a Top 40 pop hit.
t. Carl Macek, the Invid Flower of Life
>>142906701
What do you find poor about the writing? I find it pretty good. The character interactions are entertaining and everyone's motives are easy to grasp and realistic.
>>142906427
>really good
>no explanation how Delta got away from Windermere
>all dat quality
>that shitty copout ending for Messer
You just have incredibly low standards, this episode was horrible.
>>142906701
AND
This show's CGI doesn't get enough credit, it's some of the best I've seen in recent years
![[Pineapple_Salad]Macross_7_27_(A4083CD1).mkv_snapshot_20.45_[2016.06.01_19.26.09].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/za3Iw11.jpg "[Pineapple_Salad]Macross_7_27_(A4083CD1).mkv_snapshot_20.45_[2016.06.01_19.26.09].jpg")
>>142906603
Still waiting.
>>142906800
Hey I'm glad your standards in watching cartoons are superior to mine you fucking virgin.
>>142906701
This low level bait from our resident Roboturdfag.
>>142906215
>He was literally face to face with Freyja, and nothing happened.
Exactly, no red runes (of hatred or love) because she wasn't singing. They all reacts to Freyja's singing. But then why the red runes before?
What I'm almost sure is that his red runes doesn't mean "love", but I wonder why is he surprised of seeing them with that colour (he is not surprised with blue ones in the latest episode for example). Anyway if it means hatred then every time Freyja sings all Windermeres are going to get a power up (except Bogue because he's refusing it)
I don't know, I'm just theorizing.
And another question: if every time Freyja sings all Windermeres reacts, why is Hayate reacting with her too? I know he has a fold quartz pendant, but then shouldn't he reacts to all Walkure members?
is there a scene better thanSILENT HACKAAAA
![[gg]_Macross_Delta_-_10_[FAE5B24D].mkv_snapshot_15.13_[2016.06.07_23.06.20].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/NCfHopH.jpg "[gg]_Macross_Delta_-_10_[FAE5B24D].mkv_snapshot_15.13_[2016.06.07_23.06.20].jpg")
>>142906603
Only Mikumo could beat Mikumo
acoustic ver of remember 16 when?
>>142907033
It's on Acoustic Fire.
>>142906573
Mirage is meh for me even she has Jenius genes.
>>142905003
Regardless of who likes who there is absolutely zero bad blood between them like there was at times between Ranka and Sheryl. If one of them tries putting the moves on Hayate then I'd be fine with the waifu wars commencing but until something actually happens these preemptive attacks being launched by both sides are pointless. The group dynamic between Delta Squad has been amazing so far and yet everyone is foaming at the mouth to tear it apart.
;_;
>>142907033
There's an acoustic version on Fukuyama Fire.
Guys let's talk about Keith
Is this guy the best pilot in the macross universe right now?
I know Max and Isamu are pretty good,Hell one is the legend and the other took on Macross Solo.
But Keith here, this guy seems like a monster. I mean he shot messer in the fucking heart!
The blood we saw in the cockpit wasn't because, Messer got utterly vaporized by the laser, It was because Keith is that fucking good.
Like think about this. He was flying at incredible speeds,used a drone as a distraction, then managed to find the perfect firing position as the smoke was cleared from the ghost's explosion.
People can call his piloting dirty tricks,but pulling that off in Macross' Variable Fighters which are known for their crazy broken specs is just unthinkable.
But anyhow the way I'm starting to understand Macross' holy trinity of pilots is this
>Max pure vanilla flying Genius
>Isamu a stuntman that can kill
>Keith dirty tricks and tactics
How will Hayate and Mirage even compete?
>>142906064
Symphogear is only really a train wreck from G onwards.
>>142906983
Why would the Windermere's get a power up from Freyja?
Firstly, Freyja isn't the only person capable of powering someone up, the other girls can do it too because Kaname did for Messer, but I'm assuming they can't at the moment because they haven't had the emotional buff that both Kaname and Freyja have had so far.
Secondly, the aerial knights do not need a song to get a power up. They have runes just like Freyja and are able to power themselves up when they ride the wind, just like Kieth did when he was fired up during his dual with Messer.
Red runes, are a sign of deep hatred or anger. Blue are deep sadness embarrassment for males, like shown in episode 11. He shows red runes towards them because he hates them and their songs. Remember showing your rune is something that should be reserved, so of course he wouldn't show any color during a normal interaction between him and Freyja. It is only during strong emotions that they have a harder time realizing that the color of their runes are showing. He can't control his anger or hatred for their songs so it shows when they sing.
>And another question: if every time Freyja sings all Windermeres reacts, why is Hayate reacting with her too? I know he has a fold quartz pendant, but then shouldn't he reacts to all Walkure members?
Winderemers will always react to songs, or anything because there ruins act as a sensory organ. Winderemers use their runes to react to a wide varity of things, from the wind to where shots are being fired in combat etc. Since Heinz has the strongest ruins of Winderemers his senosry skills are so strong he could feel conflict between Kieth and Roid from a distance. Just as how Messer reacts to Kaname's songs emotionally, Hayate reacts to Freyja's songs emotionally because he has an emotional connection to her singing which is boosted by his fold quartz.
>>142905763
>tfw I only picked this up for Mikumo
>>142906118
How so?
>>142908549
I'd imagine Max and (probably) Isamu are still better than Keith w/ wind buffs.
I mean, Delta Platoon is a supposedly elite group, but that is over a smallish area of space. I feel like it is sort of a JV team when considering the whole U.N. Spacy.
Max is simply legendary. I don't think anyone has seriously forwarded anyone above him at any point in time.
Isamu was a test-pilot, which despite the "hurr you got in trouble so you are a test pilot now sub-plot," tend to be the very best of pilots. Winning vs. the original Macross with an insane, ultra-powerful AI, is pretty up there.
For all we know Keith and Messer could be more middling simply because they aren't fighting in a huge pool of elite fighters. I mean, maybe Alto level?
Keith is the King of the Wind. He'd wipe the floor with Max or Isamu.
>>142908549
Are we comparing Keith to prime Max and Isamu, or their present day versions? Keith is probably the best named pilot as of this moment Delta's time, but comparing different eras is tough. Max was out there shooting the on/off switch on the back of Zent suits with a far less developed VF.
![Macross Delta - 04 (1280x720 HEVC2 AAC).mkv_snapshot_07.19_[2016.06.09_18.57.43].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/v24iIo9.jpg "Macross Delta - 04 (1280x720 HEVC2 AAC).mkv_snapshot_07.19_[2016.06.09_18.57.43].jpg")
>>142908849
The superior choice
>>142908964
>Alto level
but alto technically took down a Macross class and burst through a vajra swarm
that at least makes him even with Isamu or at least a notch below
>>142908549
>Keith dirty tricks and tactics
The fuck are you talking about nigga? There's no such thing as dirty tactics in a war. You use whatever advantage you use to win in combat.
>>142908964
I beg to differ. Keith has been depicted as a child prodigy and a genius who's been flying since he was 10. I can't really say he's close to Max but Keith is pretty broken and wasn't fighting seriously even against Messer. Personally I think he's at least Isamu's level without "riding the wind" and he's far better than Alto to say the least.
>>142908964
Brera could shit over Max at any moment with his eyes closed tho.
>>142909169
No he didn't. He just stopped the Vajra Queen that was infesting the Battle Macross Frontier.
Will there be any song that can come close to Sayonara no Tsubasa in terms of greatness?
THANK YOU MESSER
CLAP CLAP CLAPCLAPCLAP
>>142908964
Keith was portrayed as a prodigy since he was a child. He could outperform everyone when he first joined the Aerial Knights.
>>142909406
That twelve-minute medley was pretty boss.
>>142908549
I eagerly await the episode when another person close to Hayate dies by Keith's hands and this happens.
>>142909363
but he was basically preforming as well as Isamu by dodging all that fire.
I mean yeah he had the singing buff, but still being able to dodge all of that is pretty good.
>>142909288
>this much delusion
Right. Brera isn't even natural pilot or a genius Like Max. Milia, or Isamu.
>>142909497
I can see it already
>This wind...no...this is a storm
>Hayate starts beating down Keith while dancing
>>142909497
>another person close to Hayate dies
RIP Mirage
I'm in love with Freyja Wion and one day I'm going to marry her.
>>142909497
I still mad at how Amata didn't get to ride the Legendary Aquarion.
>>142909500
>but he was basically preforming as well as Isamu by dodging all that fire
And? You make it sound like dodging a ton of missiles was a rare thing in Macross. Guld easily did that with the YF-21 and he's no genius or natural pilot. Alto was piloting the top of the line prototype VF with ICS while Isamu's nor Guld's had that.
>>142909675
Fight me first.
>>142909697
>Alto was piloting the top of the line prototype VF with ICS
I totally forgot about that,I concede
>>142909675
Better hurry, she's not got a long lifespan.
>>142909794
My love will keep her alive
>>142909500
Isamu still has the better track record, between taming the YF-19, keeping up with Guld in the more advanced YF-21, and holding his own against an awakened Ghost X9, which is still probably the best drone fighter ever made since the UNS nerfed them all after Sharon.
Alto never even surpassed Ozma in skill and never actually beat Brera.
>>142909697
>YF-21 literally a top-of-the-line money dump by General Galaxy made to win the contest with expensive technology
>>142909826
Are the Ghost V9s from Galaxy worse than the X9? I was under the impression that Galaxy gave zero fucks about regulations.
>>142909675
Bogue, pls.
>>142909794
That is an advantage. Take fruit fly, for example. They have a very short lifespan, but they multiply exponentially.
Breed early and often. Within a few years you'd be able to collect the whole set. Loli Freyja, highschool girl Freyja, and Christmas cake Freyja. With each generation, their pussy will slowly evolve to the shape of your dick, and by the time you reach the end of your lifespan, you can have an army of Freyja descendants molded and evolved specially for you.
>>142909934
Does it look like Windermereans are "multiplying exponentially", in their caustic Swiss permawinter environment and blighted world?
>>142909839
Your point? Prototypes are meant to be money dumps. And the YF-29 still outperforms it especially when it has ICS integrated into it and nearly 20 years gap in technology.
>>142909237
>>142909468
The problem with the child prodigy angle is that not all child prodigies are going to end up in the same place.
It is better to rely on actual results, and by those it seems that as an adult he reverted to the mean somewhat. Even if he was a prodigy in youth, he didn't straight out stomp Messer. It is difficult to read skill in his fights because we can't be sure at what functional level Messer was with the mix of wind/Var.
Frankly, I imagine Hayate will end up competitive with Keith, so that will drop his stock even farther as time goes on. Not much of a prodigy if multiple people can mix it up on an equal level.
Again, this goes back to the whole demographics thing. The whole show, if you look at the space charts, covers an area of a dozen planets/systems or so, which is more in line with Alto's situation. Max, Isamu, and Guld etc. were examples out of the entire U.N. Spacy and the subset of all of the Earth/Zentran forces.
I feel that it is more like that Keith/Messer would be something like stars in Arena Football or MLS soccer. They would be leagues above everyone else, and probably competitive in the NFL or world stage. However, they wouldn't necessarily be in the upper echelon of that far wider and higher-level group. At least, this is my feeling unless there comes along a very strong comparison.
>>142910091
Messer was in control of Var and 'shining the brightest' super boosted by Kaname who also reached maxed level. And he still lost.
>>142910214
Okay, but how do we quantify Keith + wind hacks vs. Messer + Var + wind buffs.
>>142910280
Well one of them is dead so we know who's better
>>142910091
>The problem with the child prodigy angle is that not all child prodigies are going to end up in the same place
Keith wasn't just a child prodigy. He was also considered a genius pilot.
>Even if he was a prodigy in youth, he didn't straight out stomp Messer
Keith wasn't even fighting him at his full potential and was looking for someone who could keep up with him. He basically looking for a "playmate" in combat and only Messer proved to be worthy. Only when Messer went all out and started "riding the wind" did Keith show his true skill and outright killed him ans shot straight at his heart.
>The whole show, if you look at the space charts, covers an area of a dozen planets/systems or so, which is more in line with Alto's situation
Are you kidding? Alto only had pilots from SMS, Galaxy fleet, and NUNS stationed with Frontier to compare with. That's miniscule compared to an entire globular star cluster.
>However, they wouldn't necessarily be in the upper echelon of that far wider and higher-level group
By whose or what standards? We just haven't seen Keith reek havoc yet because the scale of combat in Delta are small and were pretty much skirmishes. Not to mention Roid at times ordered the Aerial Knights to fall back. Seriously, Keith is the real deal and I'm sure he would easily slaughter dozens of enemies on his own in a large scale battle. hopefully in next week's episode we'll see him break out.
>>142910280
The Lil Drakens are the only reason Keith is alive.
I think that fight was the only time Keith actually used one against Messer.
>>142910533
The problem with adding buffs into the equation is that they are simply externalities.
Piloting skill that requires another person, sort of defeats the purpose. In old works, we had clear advantages: Max beat Milia, Isamu beat Guld in 1 on 1 match-ups.
Alto, Keith, Messer, and Hayate are difficult to judge on their own, because of these externalities.
Why is this important? Let's say Freya continues to grow in strength with her song, and Hayate and her start resonating all over each other. In another five episodes Hayate could conceivably beat Keith, despite being the less skilled pilot, should he have better buffs than the shota windsinger could produce.
Would he really be the better pilot then? Would every Keith supporter suddenly begin debating the merits of using buffs in the first place to determine who the better pilot is?
This trope is so common in Macross that I half expect it to happen.
>>142909551
So? He could kick his shit out.
>>142910280
We can't say for sure, but we do know that Windermerans are physically capable of more than other races so Keith is basically the best Kenyan in the marathon.
>>142911097
Kek. And how exactly would he do that? Brera doesn't even have as many kill counts as Max, Milia, or Isamu. Nor has he ever fought and won against true ace pilot. And before you say Alto, he's not one.
>>142911138
Except Delta is performing on par with the Kenyans in your analogy. That seems to hold, outside of Keith beating Messer. I mean, Hayate, the newcomer, has taken down Bogue, and killed a knight himself. The rest seem to be evenly matched with Delta platoon.
They may have more fold related powers, but the statement about their superiority doesn't seem to translate into OP martial prowess.
>>142911005
Anon, Keith killed Messer by shooting at his heart. He wasn't just fighting against an average pilot but an actual ace. That's extreme precision is completely unheard of in Macross. Keith's combat skills as a pilot are frightening real and he would be ranked the upper echelon of Macross aces by that alone.
>>142904603
I hate that feeling. It's why I hate/love marathoning shows.
>>142904603
Before the show started, Mirage>>>>Freyja. Now? I want to like them both, but Freyja has so much personality and Mirage is a brick wall.
>>142911447
That's true. Most people become aces by pressing the spam missile button.
>>142911536
>Now? I want to like them both, but Freyja has so much personality and Mirage is a brick wall.
Good choice. At first I was a Miragefag, but now I'm a Rune-missile.
>>142911568
I can't bring myself to vote for a racist nazi Windemere like Freyja Wion. It's 2067 and we still don't have a Zentradi bowl winner. #ImWithSpaceElf
>>142911733
I'm putting down the space squid as a write-in candidate.
>>142911810
Just throw away your vote then.
The only reason Keith won was because he had superior technology.
It wasn't just skill, Messer was outmatching him until he literally used funnels.
>>142911896
Anon those aren't funnels. This isn't Gundam, And Ghost drones isn't considered superior technology and has been used for decades. We also never seen Keith use them offensively and mostly just use its thrusters to change his velocity. Messer wasn't outmatching Keith at all and was just keeping up with him. Keith wasn't even all that serious when they fought and displayed his true skill and shot Messer at his heart.
>>142903700
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Finally got around to episode 11. I wasn't ready for this.That ED had me tearing up like a faggot.
>>142911436
I think Delta on average has a lot more combat experience than the Knights do. The war was what 8 years ago, so only Hermann and possibly Kassim would have fought then.
>>142906701
https://my.mixtape.moe/tynynm.mp4
>>142912298
They gave us a storyline for us to at least like or appreciate Kaname. What do you think they'll do for Makina and Reirei?
>>142912304
You're forgetting Keith as he was flying 2 years prior to their war of independence.
How did Windamere develop the Draken? Are they based off an older VF design?
>>142912497
They probably got the designs from Epsilon.
guys i want to sing remember 16 with u guys
anyone want to joins
https://youtu.be/RWEDjcOhRHc
macross delta pv
>>142912569
>the uploader has not made this video available in your country
fuck
>>142912497
They're SV class variable fighters and are derived from the Anti-UN model in Macross Zero. Most likely their sponsors are remnants of the Anti-UN faction.
>>142912484
I haven't read the manga, was he actually fighting or just in training? Even for Windermere 11 seems too young to be actually fighting.
>>142912696
Keith's manga hasn't gotten to the point of the war. But its safe to assume he partook to it. He was a child prodigy and a genius as he was already flying at the age of 10.
>>142912774
he partook in it*
>>142912569
>>142912658
I can't stop laughing at Mikumo's genki voice. They should use that in the show more often, it would be a good joke scene
>>142912658
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm29003056
Just log in with google, facebook, or something if you don't have an account
Can we all agree that Freyja Giraffe Blues > Mikumo Giraffe Blues?
mirage's offical boobies
>>142913354
Nope, I prefer Mikumo's powerful voice.
>>142913354
I'm Freyjafag but JUN'NA's voice is stronger so her GIRAFFE BLUE is more beautiful. Also their voice combination is fucking beautiful. But no one can beat WOWOWOW no one.
>>142912845
Mikumo's version of Giraffe blues is impressive. I can't decide whose I like better. Freyja's version is energetic and full of vibrance, but Mikumo's version is soulful and full of passion.
>>142913354
Mikumo and Freyja's duet version is simply amazing. Nothing can beat their harmonization. However I prefer Mikumo's solo version over Freyja's. Mikumo's deep voice just brings out the beauty of the song imo, while Freyja's just sounds cute.
>>142913488
Duet is the choice.
>>142913565
That's probably why they choose JUNNA's voice for Minori. They bring out the best in each others voice. While they are both good seperatly, when the sing together it transcends their individual voices. Mikumo's voice strengthens Freyja's, while Freyja symphonies Mikumo's.
>>142913558
>>142913565
Is there actually a long form of the duet? I only noticed snippets in the show.
>>142913354
Why does Mikumo need TWO VAs?
>>142913354
A capella Mikumo blew Freyja out of the water, with accompaniment Freyja's is good though.
>>142903591
>>142913870
Just like Sheryl.
>>142913870
She only has one. The other is her singing voice. Its the same with Sheryl in Frontier, Basra and Mylene in 7.
>>142913870
Because Ami singing wouldn't sell CDs and JUNNA acting would probably be a mess.
>>142913870
Kawamori felt that nobody who auditioned for the role had the voice he had in his head for Mikumo. Then one day one of the workers brought in JUNNA and he felt the her voice matched his dream voice of Kumo. JUNNA however stated she didn't want to do voice acting, only singing. So he hired Ami Koshimizu as the talking voice of Mikumo because her voice was sufficient for the talking.
>>142913847
No full versions of the song is out. Until July when the album is released. The version on the album is probably Walkure's version with Kaname, Makimaki and Reirei
>>142909934
Windmereians aren't like fruit flies, they don't appear to breed any faster than any other humanoids (beyond some necessary cultural differences leading to getting an earlier start.)
I'm amazed they're willing to go to war, they must constantly struggle just to keep their population growth at replacement levels much less push it into the positive.
>>142913354
Honestly I want Makina's full version of this song. Reina's voice would be good too. Such strong singers being overshadowed.
>>142904603
I honestly have to wonder what people see in Mirage. Is it all expectations from her name alone? With Freyja I like her for who she is, I just don't feel they've given us enough for Mirage to be able to say the same about her
>>142914018
>ywn hire a skillful VA and singer to make your personal perfect waifu OC/self-insert like Kawamori does
>>142913354
Mikumo > the rest combined
>>142914739
What the fuck is a Mikumo? Some sorta Robot squid?
>>142914800
Kawamori
>>142914800
All
>>142914800
She's a jellyfish girl.
>>142911536
>>142911568
Same here. I thought Freyja was going to be Ranka 2.0 before the show began and Mirage the best girl, but Freyja fucking won me over. Talk about complete false first impression. Besides her chemistry with Hayate is far better. The only semblance of chemistry Mirage had was during the flight lessons before she became a wide-eyed DELTA FIVE DELTA FIVE cheerleader. I don't hate her, but she's certainly no Freyja.
>>142914800
A dog
WOOF WOOF WOOF ASHITERU
when can we see mirage's wink?
>>142915085
That's the problem, they had a good start with Mirages growth after episode three. Then it just went downhill, her character became stagnant. She just began to pity herself, and envious. Every other character so far on Delta Platoon has gotten over their worries and struggles within a episode or the same but Mirage hasn't been getting that treatment.
I'm actually kinda not liking the biased treatment and wish the triangle was much more fair. This isn't feel good at all, it's one sided and not having me care about Mirage at all. It's been 11 episodes and she literally has not grown, or progressed. Almost every episode she complains about not being good, then watches Hayate do a little something, Impressed by it and then doesn't recover. Mirage is becoming another Ranka desu.
People are saying they are trying their hardest to not let the main characters be disliked, but what about Mirage? Why isn't she getting that same treatment? The only reason Mirage is even remotely liked is because she is the alternate choice in the triangle, and a lot of people like the underdog. If Mirage was not in the triangle, she would literally and honestly be another Chuck. And fans of Mirage can't deny her lack of development. The main difference between her and Chuck is that she reviled that she cannot live up to her name. While Chuck doesn't sulk and admire people, and want to become like them. He is just focused on doing what he's doing.
And belive it or not I have nothing against Mirage, and I'm not even rooting for Freyja. My favorite Characters are Kaname and Shinpi, this is just the sad truth about Mirage. She is stagnant, and her so call development is an illusion.
>>142914439
It's gap moe anon. She's Milia on the outside and Ranka on the inside.
>>142905574
You know I kinda think the decided to switch Mikumo and Mirages spot on the list, because they didn't want to shit on the main character. A lot of people were surprised, like everyone. Even fans of Mirage. It doesn't even make sense honestly, because Mikumo has way more art than Mirage, and Freyja has way more art than Mikumo. It's obvious that Freyja is more liked, but if Mirage is this liked, where are her artwork? Pixiv, twitter, there is barely none. It's just weird for a character that popular to not have fan arts.
I hope Hayate is less indecisive than Alto. Anyway I hope the Protoculture ship gets its shit kicked in by the Elysion. I've been waiting for that thing to actually do something.
>>142915582
Lots of fans of Mikumo and Freyja overlap (Walkurefags in general, but those two in particular). Most probably chose to vote for Freyja.
>>142915528
But Milia was a competent pilot and fighter on the outside.
>>142915582
I dont ascribe to the notion that the NT polls are rigged. But there is a problem with self selection bias or similiar with their sampling. The polls don't represent the whole fandom, rather a smaller part of it. In essence the fandom it samples from is biased towards favoring someone like Mirage, while if it was a sample of the whole fandom, she'd not rank as high.
>>142915691
Hayate VA stated his character has enough on his plate to think about romance. I wouldn't be surprised if the triangle is never resolved.
>>142913354
How can you not like this version?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUjiD9ovxYI
>>142915780
Nah. Mikumo is superior to all.
>>142916035
Kawamori pls
>>142915954
Not him, but how can it not occur to you that he may like both, just prefers one? I think both are excellent, but I like Freyja's version just a little bit more
>>142903591
Who/what the fuck is Mikumo?
The first panel is from Heinz-sama memory (Windemere's lightning hole) the second one is Freyja's so the last one must be Mikumo's. What the fuck was that?
>>142916190
I think those scenes showed why each of them sings. Mikumo was seen looking at the sky naked while asking herself why she and people sing.
>>142916190
They drop these hints, one after the other. Leaving us with more and more questions. We still don't even know who the voices she was hearing was.
>>142915462
>Almost every episode she complains about not being good
What are you talking about? Mirage has not complained at all that she's not good enough. She knows she's not that skilled but she hasn't openly griped about. The fact when Messer told her of her shortcomings she did something about it by spending extra time practicing on the simulator.
>>142916190
So she's a protoculture singing robot?
>>142916236
I don't think so because Freyja doesn't sing because a what might be her house burning down.
>>142916294
Androids can't produce fold waves anon.
>>142916066
Kawamori pleases no one but himself.
>>142916190
It's probably because Mikumo is connected to the scene where Roid said "Soon time won't matter"
It's going to be similar to Macross 30, with the protoculture main songstress who had Amnesia. Mikumo is going to connect all the timelines together and we will finally see Minmay again.
>>142916267
gg translation is quite shit on the details, they have always been quite shit on teails tbqh
>>142916350
They clearly didn't sing hard enough
>>142916391
But she literally asked who was calling her though.
>>142912671
>Most likely their sponsors are remnants of the Anti-UN faction.
Why would they even continue functioning though? It's not like NUG is in any way a continuous polity with pre-war unified earth government even if they're the successor state by default and reused some of the old symbols and structure.
>>142916298
When she sings, that image flashes in her head. She's singing to avoid that kind of thing repeat itself (war). Heinz is singing because of that hole, that was his motivation after Keith showed him that place.
>>142904821
>>142904659
Those two aren't mutually exclusive..
Also, Delta managed to not have better or worst characters for me from the beginning. Everyone is eighter likeable or interesting.
>>142905086
Yes, please. Kawamori mentioned something new in regards to love triangles, this actually would work pretty nicely.
>>142905267
Yes. And? We all started from, heh, zero at one point in time or another.
>>142905632
Bikes are somewhat big in Japan and show is actually pretty good at portraying biking. Also, with cast being non threatening highschool girls, works wonders on popular bikers image.
another factor is this - bikes are cheaper than cars in Nippon, so obviously otaku population is more likely to ride one rather than a car.
>>142905763
Ride the wind Anon.
>>142906069
Thou 7 might be a hit or miss. But yeah, watch movies. On big, HD screen.
With good, really good sound system.
>>142906496
It was pretty much same thing with Frontier up until to panties episode, which was enjoyable in it's own way. And then there came Alto's birthday and series was again glorious. And THEN things got really interesting.
It helps that we wait so long for of each Macross series, old fans will watch it eighter way and new people aren't biased by older productions. And by feeding us side materials in the interval Kawamori keeps interest in the franchise. Not to mention everytime May'n has a concert, there is at least one Frontier song.
Sasuga, Kawamori.
>>142906573
Each of girls can be liked for different reasons, it's useless to say that one is better than other. Now, most awesome are, obviously, Mikumo and Freya, for sheer badassery they shown so far.
>>142906701
...Almost anon. Almost.
>>142906800
>no explanation how Delta got away from Windermere
>>142913952
>Its the same with Sheryl in Frontier, Basra and Mylene in 7.
Not to mention Sharon Apple who had more than one singing voice in addition to a speaking voice VA.
>>142916459
What does that have to do with that?
>>142916497
>It's not like NUG is in any way a continuous polity with pre-war unified earth government
They now control Earth in its entirety. The reason why they originally opposed the UN was they wanted to retain their identity and autonomy and not forced into a single government. They probably want get back at them by helping Windemere with their war against the NUG.
>>142915813
Fighting ability doesn't matter when we're talking about personality. Mirage puts up a tough front when in reality she's a ball of insecurities, that is the essence of her likeability.
>>142916757
>They now control Earth in its entirety. The reason why they originally opposed the UN was they wanted to retain their identity and autonomy and not forced into a single government.
While I suppose I can see that it just seems odd that the nationalist motivation would survive through the severe population bottleneck, especially with most survivors being military or civilians from a very narrow set of geographic locations. Suppose it wouldn't be hard to start retooling into the new world pretty quickly with all the colonization even after they did some decentralization though, particularly with how badly NUG tends to bungle things.
>>142908549
With fold hacks? Probably Keith, thou one has to wonder about movie Alto.
Without any external support? Somewhere between Ozma and Isamu. He is good but up until tenth episode of Delta Keith haven't show anything better than what Ozma did in whole series or Isamu in the prologue of Plus.
>>142908549
>Keith dirty tricks and tactics
It's a fight for life, what are you talking about?
>>142908549
>Isamu a stuntman that can kill
Maverick you mean?
>>142908658
ALL HAIL NA...ah, wrong thread.
>>142908817
>Why would the Windermere's get a power up from Freyja?
Deculture. Also, sound/fold waves have been shown to be onmidirectional and working on pretty much everybody in range.
>>142909500
>singing buff
This. It gives slow-mo powers, it does things with spatial awareness, allows for muh understanding AND increases performance of compatible airframes, namely anything post Durandal with fold quartz.
>>142909554
We Airgear now.
>>142916892
Fucking Oh!Great. What was that even supposed to be.
>>142916880
believe it was said that AntiNUGs survived by taking shelter in nuclear fallout centers in russia and the like, which is where a large portion of them came originally
>>142916940
>Oh!Great
And you even ask?
>>142916972
Ah, it makes more sense if they survived as a totally separate group.
>>142915813
>But Milia was a competent pilot and fighter on the outside.
Milia was a genius pilot, Mirage is a competent pilot but only that. At least according to dialog, and the fact that they were willing to assign her as an instructor.
>>142917189
Arad probably did it for her sake as much as Hayate's. Both he and Messer knew Mirage has good technical skills, teaming her up with Mr. freewind dancing oddball might get her to think out of the box, which is what Messer states is what keeps her back.
>>142917248
I do agree with that, just pointing out that it's not really fair to call her incompetent. If anything she may be above average by NUNS standards (hard to say, we don't know how much their skills are impaired by var.) She's definitely behind the rest of Delta though now that Hayate has caught up.
>>142917307
She's an excellent pilot, but not a very good fighter pilot (yet)
She lacks chucks or Arad's ability to hit the wings reliably, she's too easy to read for her opponent. She can shoot down drones though and catch a crashing valkyrie mid air, just fine though.
>>142914439
>Is it all expectations from her name alone?
Literally no one gives a fuck about her name anon.
She's an archetype people like thats all. She's also cute and she needs to be changed by the pressence of the MC. AKA there is work to be done on her and that is what people like. Call it a challenge.
>>142918088
>Literally no one gives a fuck about her name anon
This delusion. If she hadn't got that name, noone would be whining about "when does she git gud?"
>>142904603
I no longer ship. Both of them are so likeable and I want both of them to be happy. Whoever wins I'll cheer for and whoever loses I'll grief for.
>>142918116
Let me rephrase that: No one gives a fuck about her name when it comes to liking her as a character. People don't like her as a character because she is called Jenius.
The name does bring with it the expectation that she should be a better pilot than she is and that is what is often being discussed (as far as "git gud" is a discussion), but no one cares about her as a character because of it.
>>142915462
The sad part is that your post is right, but that some anons are going to nitpick about every word you typed and try to tell you how wrong you are.
I still think that Mirage will get her moment and the fact it's been pushed so far back tells me that it'll be significant. To put it bluntly the series has been to obvious about her short commings and dropping hints that she struggles with multiple issues (her family legacy, her stiffness, Hayate). The lord and savior Kawamori has shown that he knows what he is doing so I'll have fiath in him resolving this in a proper manner.
By the way anons are we going to get an OST with all the Walküre songs on it anytime soon? The new OST is fun and all, but I can only listen to bagpipes so often before I want some Walküre.
>>142918328
Or it could backfire. Remember to Kawamori's Ranka's "big moment" in Frontier was episode 21 and people bitched and hated her even more.
>>142918358
Walküre's first album comes out in July 8th.
>>142918417
>Or it could backfire
Yes but why would anyone want to focus on something absolutely going wrong? If it does go wrong we'll find out, but for now there is no reason to expect it to be like that.
If it gets done wrong then we'll deal with that then. But for now lets just enjoy the series with the idea that it'll be done right.
>>142918561
Many thanks anon
>>142918193
I doubt she'd have attracted a fraction of the attention she has if it weren't for her name
>>142918561
>戦術音楽ユニット「ワルキューレ」のファーストアルバム「Walküre Attack!」が7月6日（水）発売決定
was it pushed back two days?
>>142918995
Or maybe I remembered it worng. I hope it leaks one week in advance.
