Which anime is better?
http://www.strawpoll.me/10481044
I don't understand how anyone who has seen Steins;Gate can defend it. Mado Scientisto, fat otaku, tuturu, trap, you can describe these characters with one or two words, and they never do anything to break that role. There's zero depth in the characters, and the show spends more than half of the series doing literally nothing with its setting plot or characters.
Re:Zero is better, even though it's less original.
>>142845460
>>142845476
Why is Steins;Gate winning the poll easily then?
Look the question here isn't which one is good, its which one is better.
Does Stein;Gate fair well when compared to literary classics? No of course not, all of the characters but Okabe are flat and story struggles because of it being a VN
But if you compare it to Re:zero then i think its no contest, Steins;Gate wins hands down.
At the very least Steins;Gate had a point, a set of themes that it wanted to explore and argue. It had a narrative that was above just telling a story but also an overarching exploration of the nature of fate. It had structure and most of everything in it added to the overall narrative and not just what was happening to move the plot along.
While I enjoy Re:Zero, i don't see the same thing. Things just seem to be happening to Subaru he never actually has any agency. He never chose anything that caused him to go to the new world it just happened. He never chose to put himself in danger, the danger just found him. There seem to be a set patter: Thing happens he dies until he can figure out how to stop it, then next thing happens. All of it seems to only be about shock value and invoking emotion in the audience by making his situation incredibly bleak and cruel.
There seems to be no overarching narrative other than: Can Subaru finally stop things from happening to him?
Compare that to Steins;Gate where Okabe is responsible for the crisis he finds himself in. He uncorked the genie from the bottle and he then spends the rest of the series trying to put it back in. Its just a far better presentation
>>142846071
/thread
Okabe is a much better protagnist and can carry the series far better than Subaru.
>>142846013
because re:zero is currently airing and theres a ton of hate for it, so "you have to downvote it to be le cool /a/non".
all the summerfags proabbly dont even know what steins gate is, since it aired more than 1 year ago
>>142845380
This is stupid because Re:zero hasn't even finished airing.
Time-loop story had become less and less exciting no.
I'd go with Steins Gate, back when my mind completely fucked up while watching this kind of stuff.
>>142845380
I enjoy both but SG is the clear anwser.
>>142846071
Well said
Steins;Gate by far.
>>142845380
How about you wait until Re: Zero finishes?
You're going to compare a story in the middle of its first season to a completed work? If people just saw the first half of steins;gate they would think it sucked. Fucking retard.
>it's a Re:Zero is best Anime thread
No, it's just a mix of SAO, S;G and some edginess in it.
Steins;Gate is still very popular and acknowledged as a very good anime/VN almost 7 years after coming out.
S;G 0 set the bar higher with the VN and of the Anime adaptation is good, it will be talked about for another 7 years.
Basically, S;G will still be talked about 10 years after its release.
Okabe is clearly a better protag, much more believable. Subaru is le NEET trapped in a fantasy world.
Both have social and even mental issues, but Subaru has bigger ones.
>>142846262
Nope, it is still miles better than Re:Zero.
>>142846270
I hope you know that you sound retarded,
>>142846270
Also Kurisu>>>>>>>>>>any girl in Re:Zero
>>142846278
Not really.
Re:Zero is fun but that's ALL it is.
I don't think Steins;Gate is a masterpiece or anything either, but it's way stronger than Re:Zero. It has actual interesting sci-fi ideas & themes and an internal set of rules that it rigidly sticks to.
Subaru is a fun character in Re:Zero but he doesn't act like a normal human at all. He gets whisked away to some fantasy world and doesn't even question the situation he's in once, or reflect on his past life or anything like that. He cares deeply about people he's known for only a few days, for reasons that are incredibly ambiguous. The entire thing is just about him suffering. Which is fun but that's it.
>>142846278
Not him but Steins gate anime did start off pretty shit.
Re:Zero isn't boring.
So Re:Zero.
>>142846318
Yep. All i'm saying is this thread is stupid and only serves to get people riled up, it's not for actual discussion. OP is a faggot.
>10 million users a month
>Poll with 19 results
>Conclusive
>>142846071
>all of the characters but Okabe are flat and story struggles
Agreed. ReZero's cast on the other hand is much more fleshed out and evolve beyond their tropes much faster than Steins;Gate did, despite having 12 episode of literally nothing happening in which you could have developed characters.
>Steins;Gate had a point, a set of themes that it wanted to explore and argue
ReZero does as well. It started off an extremely tongue in cheek satire of the genre as a whole but has quickly evolved out of simply poking fun at other stories in the same genre to something more than that while still remembering its roots.
Subaru's constant deaths and betrayals by ones close to him are an ever present reminder that if some idiot found his way in a fantasy world, he'd die over and over again.
>Subaru he never actually has any agency
Have you even watched the show? If Subaru lets things happen he dies, the whole point of the show is that if he gives up his agency, he dies until he gets it right.
>He never chose to put himself in danger
Once again you're objectively wrong. He chose to stay in the mansion, he chose to help Emelia get the amulet, and he's going to choose to do what happens next. Once again I question if we're watching the same show.
>All of it seems to only be about shock value
Once again, you're missing the message being conveyed. Almost every other big hit like this is met with a dozen different people in the threads going, "Well why didn't he just leave the mansion?" or "Why didn't he stay up and find out what killed him?". His deaths are a constant reminder that the solution to problems aren't always black and white, and are generally extremely nuanced. You keep forgetting this is written by someone who is genre-savvy and actively satirizing it.
>There seems to be no overarching narrative
The narrative is "Being in a fantasy world isn't as fun as you think it'd be"
>>142846395
>>Poll with 19 results
40, at the time you posted this.
Just let Re:zero sit for few years, until people start calling it a "deconstruction of the isekai genre" and all the pretentious cunts will start to love it.
>>142846434
>deconstruction
>>142846459
>green text
I like Re;zero but overall steins gate is better
Okabe is a much more fleshed out character, while subaru seems like a generic shounen protoganist. Its very jarring how he can just take everything to stride at the beginning despite be a Neet/otaku
To its credit re zero had a much stronger beginning than steins gate
>Steins Gate Takes 10 episodes to get to the good bit
Re zero isn't finished yet so i'm hoping they'll explain why he acts the way he does
>>142846500
Steins;Gate isn't better.
Okabe is only fleshed out because Steins;Gate is milked to death with all its spinoffs, prequels, and sequel.
>>142846520
>spinoffs, prequels, and sequel
Never read/watched any of them, but Okabe seems pretty fleshed out to me.
Rezero is ongoing so this is stupid.
>>142846520
Steins Gate is better. You will accept that and stop typing utter drivel.
Other than suffer porn, the fuck is up with whole premise of Re:Zero? It is literally Subaru goes from one problem to another and if he fucks up, then who cares because he gets to reset with no repercussions. Fuck outta here faggot.
I don't care either way but I prefer S;G more if only because I like almost all of the characters better. I couldn't muster any fucks for the Re:Zero cast and I doubt I ever will but I do admit that it's had a relatively stronger start if only because they immediately delve into the looping shit.
>>142845380
>Both are shit harems
>Both take themselves too seriously
>Both generate more waifufaggotry
>Both fanbases also take themselves too seriously
>One is "Time travel isn't all you think it'd be" while the other is "Isekai isn't all you think it'd be"
It's tough but I'd have to go for Steins;Gate, overall more amusing and has a trap.
>>142845380
The one that is not reddit: the anime, so Re:Zero.
>>142846583
>The one that is not reddit: the anime
So none of those?
Was the poll posted on MAL or reddit or something?
>>142846583
(You)
>>142846071
>Subaru never actually has any agency
I disagree Subaru has always had the choice
to just walk away but he doesn't just to do
the right thing .
>>142846615
Uhh not he can't you lard ass. Moment he tries to walk away he would be killed. He can't escape from the curse.
>>142846395
That's one way to admit you're a retard who doesn't know what he's talking about.
>>142846571
>Both take themselves too seriously
I've never understood this. Being serious is not a bad thing.
>>142846591
I hate strawpolls. I personally just vote for the worst possible answer to rile people up, the answer this time being Re:Zero.
null vote, both trash
I prefer Re:Zero
>>142846571
>and has a trap
So does re:zero
>>142846071
This right here is why you can't compare the two series until (at least) this season of Re:ZERO is over.
Arc 1 and 2 are merely the introduction of the main characters and the mechanics of Return by Death. The actual story will start next episode and this is ONE BIG story. One Piece-level of big.
>>142845380
Re:Zero isn't finished yet. So I'll hold my judgement.
>>142846671
It's the whole culture of >Hehe, I'm just enjoying the show /ironically/. If something actually commits to doing something without constantly saying>J-just kidding,it makes a certain demographic uncomfortable because they are unable to relate to the idea of committing something without a backdoor they can just>Haha I was just trolling, their way out of.
>>142846821
>tfw you can't greentext mid sentence with spoilers anymore
Hiro pls
>>142846716
OP said anime LNfag
>>142845380
Why the fuck are we voting when Re:Zero hasn't even finished airing yet.
I prefer endless eight desu.
>poll results are now 50/50
Neo-/a/ is real.
>>142846571
>not a harem
>wat
>so?
>so?
>so>
>both have traps
>50/50 now
They're both terrible
SG is lowkey overrated.
>>142846899
No, they're really not.
>>142846863
Wouldn't be surprised if most of those haven't even seen steins gate, definitely not while it was airing.
Both are overrated garbage that only get a pass because people will eat up time loops as a premise.
>>142846906
Who cares. You can say that about pretty much any popular show.
>>142846895
OP said anime only and Ferris has gotten little to no screen time as far as I can remember
>>142845380
>http://www.strawpoll.me/10481044
cant decide yet you faggot, re zero still ongoing
>>142846071
what are some literary classics anon
>>142846941
Hakomari was genuinely good with the time loop premise.
The very mention of it triggers Re:Zerofags.
ITT: Two fanbases of DEEP shows fight for superiority using a strawpoll that eventually the losing side will refute while the rest of /a/ just wishes they'd get over themselves and return to their containment threads
>>142847091
The edgemaster Daiya arc ruined the series.
Re:zero is more enjoyable. I find S;G very monotonous.
>>142847111
Hey asshole you finished your little rant? Good wipe the period blood off the floor and fuck off.
>>142847064
War and Peace
Lolita
The Great Gatsby
The Grapes of Wrath
Of Mice and Men
1984
Crime and Punishment
10 Little Niggers
Catch 22
All of them are far better than Re:Zero could ever dream of being.
>>142847185
>triggered
back to tumblr with you
>>142847195
>comparing novels to AV works
good 1 mate
>>142847195
wow anon ur so smart. how does it feel to be pretentious?
>>142847185
>being this much of a transparent newfag
end it all
>>142845380
Both shows are shit, beacuse they use te worst plot device that has eer been invented: fucking time resets.
Seriously, fuck time resets.
I actually hate steins;gate
>>142847195
But who got a better adaptation?
I can tell you right now that Re:Zero ANIME is better than half of what's on that list.
>>142847361
>I can tell you right now that Re:Zero ANIME is better than half of what's on that list.
Oh baby now we're pod racing.
>>142845380
Both are shit.
>>142847091
I read two volumes of it and found the series too dull to continue.
I'm genuinely curious, what did you like about the time looping in Hakomari?
Because while the looping was impressive with the sheer largeness of it (this aspect also being handled quite well) and while the narrative format was also quite novel,
it didn't seem to really have a point?
There was no psychological aspect because of the character resets, or rather molding.
And it didn't actually advance the plot since the antagonist basically self-destructed.
And it wasn't really used to develop the characters except as a kind of convoluted introduction because at the end of it the characters were still rather one-dimensional.
You guys started this bullshit to shitpost, now you are going to lose. OP, you are a Steins Gate shilling faggot.
>>142847091
Because you people decided to mention it in the first place. Pretentious Daiya and power of feelings bullshit.
>>142847454
>There was no psychological aspect because of the character resets, or rather molding.
Holy shit, you're legit retarded. Do you actually understand what a character arc is?
>>142847512
>Pretentious Daiya and power of feelings bullshit.
>power of feelings bullshit
That's one way of admitting you're a complete idiot.
>>142847324
> te
> eer
Don't sound like a contrarian with that spelling of yours. You are making a fool out of the people you represent at the moment.
>>142846287
how does he sound retarded exactly?
he just proved a point,and I agreed with him.
How is Re:Zero winning the poll? Is a fanatical Re:Zero fag spamming proxy votes?
>>142846335
maybe your brain capacity can't handle the greatness of the mado scientisto
All of you who voted for Re:Zero are fucking disgusting disgraces for the human race. Get the fuck out of here
>>142847553
Nope. Daiya's motivations is made to be more important than it actually was.
> All for Kokone.
Hah! All that bullshit from everything and you call me an idiot.
Also,
> power of feelings to break loops and reality
Complete bullshit. You are only creating a shounen trope to use the power of emotions to break through the fabric of reality.
>>142847662
>cancer tumblr image
>Hah!
>has no understanding of what a catharsis is
Yeah, you're a complete moron alright.
>>142847721
> Strong repressed emotions
That's as pretentious as one should consider it to be important. Going through all of those things and acting as the villain is pretentious.
>>142847518
I mean a character arc is a section of a story that focuses and expands on a particular character's personality and that develops them as a character.
Whose character arc was it?
The female MC who pretty much was a determinator, almost gave up in the middle, but otherwise remained one.
The male MC who at the end of it only really remembers the entire experience as a kind of vague dream and returns to his otherwise normal behavior because that's what makes him special.
Or the antagonist who is purposely given minimal focus because of the mystery and then just a sparse few paragraphs at the end which suddenly makes her something just slightly more than just MC's weird love interest, which because of the end promptly makes her irrelevant.
I mean for it to be psychological, you need to be in someone's head. The only person's head you ever really enter for a substantial amount of time is the male MC, which mostly amounts to some kind of impotent call to action.
I might be a retard,
did I completely misunderstand something?
>>142845380
Tiers
1. GOAT: Literature. eg Hyperion Cantos which use clever, unpredictable time travel plots without resorting to length explanations of implausible phenomena to add towards the mystique and worldbuilding - allowing the reader to come to their own conclusions.
1a. Has potential fiction: In here goes some fun things I recently read for example 'The Shadow Of What Was Lost' which has the potential to attain an intringuing closed time loop. Again, readers are not forcefed explanations.
2. GOAT: Long running shows. eg Doctor Who (1963- onwards has produced some excellent stories like The Man in the Velvet Mask, The Chimes of Midnight, Heaven Sent, Blink, Night Thoughts, Father's Day, Peri and the Piscon Paradox, A Tub Full of Cats, The Crystals of Cantus, A Death in the Family, Faction Paradox stories such as Alien Bodies which fully exploit the concept of time travel to the maximum, as well as creative historical stories like Enemy of the World).
3. Great: Good short and effective animes like Puella Madoka Magica and Erased which tell a good story without overusing western tropes.
4. Fun: Other stories eg Steins;Gate. For stories that aren't 100% pure gold but have a few excellent scenes with fantastic story telling and a pointless, awful or bordering on mindless pandering episodes.
5. Just plain bad. In here goes some modern fiction like YA shit whcih I used to like and now hate.
6. Shit
7. Worse than shit shows like Re:Zero.
>>142847576
>No, it's just a mix of SAO, S;G and some edginess in it.
What an ignorant statement.
Yes, re zero has the "trapped in another world" and "time reset"aspects like to those two, but neither of those shows invented the concept.
And all of three shows have edginess. Calling it "just" those three components is fucking retarded.
>>142846287
I don't see how but it's probably because you don't agree with it.
Okabe is a much more complex character than Subaru
>>142847783
>3.Great Madoka Magica and Erased.
I stopped right there.
>>142847760
You don't know what pretentious means, you're just a really idiotic kid spouting buzzwords.
>>142847856
Subaru is actually a little more complicated than what the anime has caught up to at this point.
>>142847856
> Okabe is more complex than Subaru.
> Anime had not even finished yet and drawing conclusions.
>>142847915
Oh I know very well what it means, it means to make something look more important than it actually is. Also,
> really idiotic kid
says the dumbass who has resorted to name-calling. I've heard of better insults.
>>142848033
>it means to make something look more important than it actually is
Confirmed idiot. Confirmed underage.
>You keep forgetting this is written by someone who is genre-savvy and actively satirizing it.
I'm not sure I can argue with someone who automatically assumes an author and his works brilliance. You're just going to see every single flaw in its story as an example of brilliant satirization
meanwhile the narrative may indeed be held back by genre conventions and suffer as a result of it following these tropes. There's nothing wrong with liking a flawed story anon
You say its a satire but that isn't what we've been presented so far. In fact I never even considered it could be satire until you said so and I'm trying to understand why you would think that. I went through a phase where I read many of these transported to a new world stories, so I'm at least somewhat familiar with the material. Pretty much all of the at least recent Lns (Shield bro, Mushoku Tensei, Arifurta come to mind) constantly poke fun of the concept while still being right in the middle of it. In fact I'd even call it a genre convention at this point.
Also I think you're misunderstanding what I mean when I'm talking about agency.
Instead of him acting against the world and then the world reacting to him, its: The world acts against Subaru and then he reacts against it
Do you understand what I mean? There is a difference. Subaru responding to the danger that he is put in and then acting to get out of it, is not the same as: Subaru moving to change the world and the world then puts him in danger. In the former agency lies with the world, in the latter agency lies with Subaru
What is Subaru's internal character motivations outside of trying not to die? What goals is he moving towards outside of protect everyone from event X? If you remove all of the danger from here on out what is Subaru going to want to do? I honestly couldn't answer any of these questions because Subaru doesn't have any other characteristics so far explored other than kind, cheerful, eager, and doesn't like to die.
>>142848091
>attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed.
> importance
> than actually possessed
>in other words, making it more important than it actually is
Confirmed idiot. (You)
>>>/out/
>>142846395
Refer to >>142848139
>>142848172
So you really were stupid enough to not know what it means that you actually looked up the definition and completely misunderstood what it meant?
Once again, you're a stupid idiot, clearly underage, which in turn violates global rule 2.
>>142848139
You are creating an idea of a reactionary protagonist in other words?
>>142846863
Because it will be a better show when all is said and done
>>142848196
No, I learnt it way back and only using it as a reference. And I did not misunderstand what it meant.
The light novel has made the entire motivations for Daiya become pretentious because it place everything that caused his mess all because he did it for Kokone. And there was pretty much nothing that bad happening to her. It created something look more important than it actually was by value.
> Once again, you're a stupid idiot, clearly underage
Stop your bullshit, you decided to call me a kid and underage from nowhere because you can't seem to stop shilling the novel of yours. You constantly try to defend the idea that it is not pretentious but yet it was.
>>142848139
>What is Subaru's internal character motivations outside of trying not to die? What goals is he moving towards outside of protect everyone from event X? If you remove all of the danger from here on out what is Subaru going to want to do?
I gotta say that, while you are absolutely and completely true about your post, the very premise of the show is actually one of those other elements that make Re:Zero an Isekai "that isn't an Isekai". Most Isekai have the person reincarnated with either a goal, a guide or enough powers to forge themselves a goal, and there's usually a setup.
For example in Konosuba (I've only watched the first episode), the hero dies, goes through the reincarnation gate and is transported with quite a bit of an explanation about the where, what and how, as well as a guide. In Re:Zero, the guy is one moment on Earth and the next he lands in fantasy world. He has no idea what the fuck he is here for, he doesn't know the person that summoned him, he's had no explanation about the hows and whys, he has nothing to live by, and he gets assassinated the same day. This is a very violent and disturbing setting when you think about it, exactly like that Lovecraft setting where the hero wakes up in a room and has absolutely no memories at all. This is one of the aspect of Re:Zero that separates it from your average Isekai so I wouldn't exactly call it a flaw in itself, it's more a conscious choice to make the situation more disturbing.
>>142848355
This makes something that he was never prepared for or have full knowledge of. He has to adapt to his unknown surroundings while under the delusion that he knows everything just like a newbie that tries to wing things without the importance of basics (noting his "meta" as people like to call it, commentary).
>>142848139
He wants to take cute girls out on dates and be liked by the people around him. He could have given up on Emilia at the beginning but he's either, too stupid, or too shocked to realise he's getting murdered, develops feelings for her and sticks it out.
He knows too little about his world to have a deeper motivation other than wanting to be liked by the people around him I don't think this is a flaw becomesI'm pretty much the same, reactive and only give a shit about my friends.
He's only been their for 5 or 6 days and he's had no major revelations since arriving.
I don't see the plot a satire personally it's more a different look at the escapist MC who wants to feel like he belongs somewhere.
I prefer Re:Zero because the girls in it are actually cute and the girls in steains-gate are shit.
>>142848355
Is it really that compelling of a choice though? Personally, that just leaves me entirely indifferent to his predicament. The whole premise becomes less disturbing, if it was disturbing in the first place, and just more exasperating to witness as he blindly pats his way into a new path rinse and repeat until the author just happens to finally decide to show the larger plotline. Though I can understand the reasoning behind it, I just find it artificial and annoying.
I felt the same sentiments when Grimgar aired last season except to an even larger degree because I hate amnesia as a sorry excuse to not flesh out the cast.
>>142848548
>MC who wants to feel like he belongs somewhere
More like he's trying to survive in this world considering he has understood fairly quickly that this new fantasy world wasn't one in which he could easily survive in. He precisely makes a good decision in choosing to hold on to Emilia because Emilia was the only person that showed him kindness in this world at the beginning and even went out of her way to help him as a complete stranger, and he later decides to get hired in the mansion because he knows that this way, he can easily get a job and a roof, which is more than he could have hoped for in this world that obviously isn't the safest to live in. Survival before everything.
>>142848350
>pretentious
There you go again using that buzzword you don't know the meaning of. You're just further proving your own stupidity here.
Fag defends zero cause of waifubait..thats all
>>142848139
Actually, the anime does show what Subaru would want to do, but because the story seems to be still holding many of its cards close to it's chest, it was done rather subtly.
Remember the very first scene in the anime where Subaru was in the convenience store. The anime overlayed a hook to keep viewers interested, but if you payed attention to what Subaru was doing, then you would see that he was reading a shoujo manga and staring a couple. Both of those indicate that he desires some kind of relationship, probably a romance.
Then you need to consider what he requests for rewards. Each time it's something that would allow him to get closer to the people around him.
Now remember that he was a shut-in.
Consider the reason why he was willing to do what he did in episode 8, not for himself but for others.
It's then evident that what he is probably a very lonely person and wants attention from others, that he values relationships above all else.
So, if there wasn't any danger, you'd probably get a somewhat hard to watch slice of life where Subaru embarrasses himself in various ways.
Instead however, there is danger, and it overwhelms these aspects, making them somewhat subtle.
Regarding satire, I don't see it. There is an interesting meta-commentary, but the show doesn't really focus on it or make it really explicit. Instead, I think the story is more like an Isekai story with somewhat less pandering, more detail, more character focused, etc.
>>142847778
Not who you are responding to but I saw Hakomari's story as a battle of ideas.
Mc and Mari put forth very strong ethical codes by which they live their lives. Though both had different reasons they both agreed with the central tenet that was non-violence. Throughout the novels the codes are challenged through a series of strenuous psychological situations.
In book 1 they are trapped in a repeating day that test their patience and endurance
in book 2 someone attempts to steal and destroy the identity of the main character,
in books 3 and 4 they are trapped in a death game in which at least one person is going to have to die for it to be over.
In all of the situations they are offered the chance to solve their problems with violence and they are forced to respond to this challenge as best they can. They meet these challenges with varying degrees of success but no matter what in each one they are changed for better or worse at the end of it. The psychological part is specifically this battle of ideologies, as the books move on the antagonists continually attack the main characters' belief systems picking apart flaws in their argumentation and eventually wearing them down until finally they are forced to confront the truth of their own views.
The character progress made in book one seems miniscule at first but that's because of the perspective that it is told in (during and after). later novel actually revisit this topic by expanding how people were prior to entering book 1 and how much it actually did change them
>>142848653
You could say indeed that it's a matter of taste. Unlike you, I happen to enjoy the fuck out of those "white board" plot premises with unknown mechanics because it allows for good twists and turns in the story so long as you're not doing it wrong (I'm looking at YOU, Nasu). So far, aside from a very slow pace and some ridiculous scenes, I like what Re:Zero pulled off because it used the timeloop aspect in 2 different mini-settings that are actually show some progression in the parameters
1) City arc: he knows what his main obstacle is, but what gets in his way is his disbelief. He just knows that he will die at a certain point of the story and he must counter it. It's a "survival game".
2) Mansion arc: He knows when he dies. And that's it. He doesn't know what his obstacle is and how exactly he dies. What was a "survival game" now takes the air of a murder party.
That's just my take on it. It feels artifical (and you're right about it) because Subaru isn't free at all. He's prisoner from his condition as a guy tainted by the witch and forced to go back in time, making him go through horrible situations like his most brutal so far in episode 5. And, as someone who's following Subaru and his struggles through all the loops, his prisoner condition is transfered to you. The author is just a sadistic asshole.
>>142848726
It is not a buzzword. Edgy is the real buzzword. I am literally using
> pretentious
by its definition.
You are the one acting stupid by suddenly attempting to call out on me from nowhere based on using the word:
> pretentious
when it is actually used for it's own purpose as an actual adjective and meaning. Your desperation has just been shown by calling it a buzzword all of a sudden.
>>142845460
The visual novel really helps add depth in that regard. I would say reading it then watching the anime is the best route.
>>142845380
You a joke fag? Steins;Gate destroys that shit with ease. Go, and make a Re:Zero vs BokuDake thread instead.
>>142846941
Steins;Gate does the time loop thing much better than majority of anime out there and has rules for time traveling that aren't arbitrary at least. It's the closest thing in anime to decent time travel science fiction. The anime is just okay, though. Speaking more of the visual novel.
>>142847783
>Erased over S;G
You are a special kind of fullretard, aren't you?
>>142848611
I'll take a likable protagonist over just any cute girl. I have a waifu.
Okabe is leagues more likable than Subaru and his weird attitude isn't as annoying.
>>142848977
Well I can respect that, I guess. It's a well-produced anime I'll give it that but I just find myself trying too hard to care about the cast and it's honestly not worth it. This kind of writing just isn't my cup of tea.
It won't get an AOTS vote for me but I can see why other people would think otherwise.
>>142848611
Fuck you Kurisu is ten times more better than any girl in Re:Zero.
>>142849187
> Likable
You think there's a chance of having that idea if we were to say about Shinji?
>>142847195
>The Great Gatsby
Shit tier. Shouldn't even be on this list.
>>142848548
>>142848786
I did notice they seem to be pushing the "He wants to belong angle" but honestly unless they expand on it I kind of just ignore it because it isn't consistent with how he acts at all.
They say he's a neet but he's an incredibly out going character. He has absolutely no qualms talking with Emilia or any of the other girls. He's incredibly loud and expressive and exceptionally hardworking. Does any of this sound like how a neet who had trouble connecting with people in his previous life would act?
He's asked out Emilia several times now (not as a friend) but actually asked out on a date, he has stated repeatedly that he is romantically interested in her and pursues her rather aggressively. Does any of that sound like someone who has never had a girlfriend would do.
By all accounts it difficult for me to see at all (at present maybe more information might change this) how in anyway he is or was a loner.
>>142849242
I was comparing the protagonists of the two anime, I don't care about comparing Okabe to other protagonists. We're talking about Steins;Gate vs Re:Zero. Hands down Okabe is a far superior character.
I know likability isn't the most important thing but I can't stand Subaru at all which ruins a lot of the enjoyment.
>>142849207
I don't think it's an awesome anime either, I just find it enjoyable and much less disgusting than what I've already tried so far this season and I'm too lazy and busy to try something else. I'm also busy with my backlog on the side of things.
But yeah, I also think S;G (the VN) is much better than Re:Zero because the MC does act very autistic (or he did, because his condition got better after episode 8) and S;G does lay out the premise and the characters better with its build-up, that allows to cause the emotional gap of losing what you had. Not counting how the characters' issues were linked to the concept of timeleap through the PhoneWave.
>>142845380
i'm 12 minutes into re:zero and I want to shut it off.
Am I missing something? this is trash.
>>142849398
>Am I missing something? this is trash.
Nothing, don't worry. Literally worse than Erased, but newfags eat up this shit as usual.
>>142849316
> Outgoing in talking
If you haven't noticed, all his interactions have pretty much been a huge failure in being able to communicate well. He annoys people, alot and comes off as awkward to people around him. He tries too hard in this new world of chances and tries to attain it, but pretty badly.
>>142849316
>it isn't consistent with how he acts at all
It is, people complain he's loud and annoying but he does it to try and make an impression, the only character ho goes along with it though is Puck.
NEET just means not currently employment, education or training. So we can assume, other than playing video games to pass the time, he isn't actually a nerd just annoying and clingy.
>>142849343
> Far superior character
I disagree based on your observations.
> I can't stand Subaru.
That is how I would feel about Shinji but does that make him inferior based on character? There's a debate based on such qualities that one would consider to be superior.
>>142849498
Comparing Shinji and Subaru is really pushing it, you know?
>>142849517
Why? Both are equally cancerous.
>>142849398
You're missing best sexy man.
I think Subaru is a good character but holy shit I can't give a single fuck about everyone else. And I honestly can't even pinpoint as to why that is.
>>142848992
> pretentious
>by its definition.
You can keep pretending like you know what it means, but the way you're using it just makes you look like the moron you are.
Keep shilling Re:Zero though, only further proving your stupidity.
>>142849543
Shinji is an actually very well developed and understandable character with deep issues and reacts like an actual human. His condition is relatable.
Subaru, on the other hand, is an anti-self insert, he is obnoxious but there's no actual reason to that so far because he isn't developed at all.
>>142849562
When have I started shilling Re:Zero when I only have been shitting on you and your bullshit excuse of trying to make me sound fake? I know what it means, and I should be saying the same thing of your bullshit to shill Hakomari. Also,
> moron, stupidity
you got any better? You are on 4chan and this is the best you can come up with?
>>142849316
I think the main issue here is that you would expect a shut-in to have some form social anxiety.
To generally be suspicious of people because of bullying or being betrayed or something.
To never leave the safety of their room because of fear.
But Subaru is clearly none of those things, which makes his character kind of weird.
It's like why would he ever be a shut-in then?
Why would he have difficulty forming meaningful bonds in his old life?
At that point, he really needs some kind of backstory to explain his character,
but given that the big picture story seems to have a fairly slow pacing,
it's not clear this would actually get revealed in the 25 episodes of the anime,
which means his character will probably remain as this inconsistent extroverted shut-in.
>>142849498
I don't care about Shinji, faggot. I'm only talking about Subaru and Okabe.
If I were to compare them to someone else, such as Shinji, I'd say he has more depth but isn't likable at all, which is fine as long as he's fleshed out.
Subaru is definitely not that fleshed out (at least from what's been shown) but Okabe has 2 VNs worth of content including the anime adaptation in his favor for character development.
>>142849486
Maybe this will be expanded upon (hopefully) but as it stands there is no explanation for why he was a NEET and I think that's what bothers me. You got to screw up really bad for you to end up in a state like that (or something has to happen to you) nobody actually chooses to be a NEET. Like I said he seems to work incredibly hard, what stopped him in his previous life from working in that convenience store instead of shopping in it? He could have met people through his job and he could have been a part of something. Doesn't that sound like something the Subaru we know would do.
Until they do explain, I can only cynically assume the author only says he's a neet because he wanted to make sure the otakus can identify with him
>>142849611
> isn't developed at all
Idiot.
ReZero is entertaining but it isn't amazing.
The MC is enjoyable but the surrounding characters are pretty weak so far and doing the same situation until he gets it right can be a little annoying.
>>142849641
>I know what it means
You clearly don't, given the way you're using it. By your idiotic logic, you could apply the word pretentious to nearly every anime.
You're pathetic.
>you got any better?
I can only call you what you are. Sorry you're this stupid.
>>142849652
He quit school and gave up. He knows how to go outside normally and buy snacks, read some manga magazines. He just has a complex that you haven't noticed. But do you want to have it spoiled now?
>>142849652
My thoughts exactly, his stated backstory is inconsistent with how he acts and as such i have trouble grasping any of his character motivatoins
>>142849544
>>142849412
wellp. one and done. im out. shit sux.
![[WhyNot] Steins;Gate - 23 β [1D129848].mkv_snapshot_17.56_[2016.05.17_20.55.32].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/nBwfKHD.jpg "[WhyNot] Steins;Gate - 23 β [1D129848].mkv_snapshot_17.56_[2016.05.17_20.55.32].jpg")
You should've made this thread later.
As Re:0 is currently airing and is about halfway its' episodes (Arc 3, the equivalent of S;G episode 12 - in terms that shit stars happening is about to start), and Steins;Gate Zero is yet to come out.
>>142849726
Look I've read some of the spoilers,
I think this story has quite a lot of potential
based on what I understand, which isn't really all that clear.
But I'm approaching this from an anime-only perspective,
which means spoilers do not help the argument and are completely irrelevant.
The only thing spoilers help with is to instill a certain faith that the story will eventually make sense,
but barring this getting explained in Arc 3 or a second season,
that faith is worthless as it would not be rewarded.
>>142849814
>implying neo-/a/ who only watch seasonal shit do have a clue what Steins;Gate is
>>142849710
I'm using it because it is a petty reasoning with no actual stakes behind other than trying to do it all for Kokone. I just told you. There was supposed to be no mess in the first place and everything could have gone on normal with nothing really bad, but look what happened.
> Pathetic
The only one who's pathetic here is the one shilling Hakomari.
>I can only call you what you are.
I should be the one saying that, retard.
>>142849855
S;G is huge, how are there people that haven't seen it?
>>142849922
Because it's 5 yo now and it's just way too old for trendyfags and fresh weebs.
>>142849888
>I'm using it because it is a petty reasoning
Thank you for once again confirming your stupidity.
Boy I can tell you're really insecure about your intelligence. I suppose this is the type of retard that enjoys Re:zero.
Steins;Gate is like watching the endless eight.
I prefer Re: Zero
>>142849981
>>142849888
Jesus fuck both of you are retarded
there are you two happy now?
Seriously how many post are you two going to going to make arguing over the meaning of pretentious and which one of you is more retarded?
You're both a couple of autist
>>142850063
>Where do you think you are?.png
>>142850008
I'm glad you brought up endless eight, it's precisely how to not make an anime with repeating events.
In Steins;Gate there are actual changes and the main character is aware of the changes.
Making an anime like that where only the viewer is aware of the repeats until the very end is not only lazy but retarded since hardly anything is changed.
>>142845380
Re: Zero isn't even half way through its first season, what a dumb thread.
>>142849981
I'm referring to motivations of Daiya. It is petty because there are pretty much little reasons behind it only except for Kokone where nothing too wrong is occurring with her but Daiya decides to use the box and just uses it for barely anything that could have been nothing entirely wrong. There's your pretentious thinking.
>I suppose this is the type of retard that enjoys Re:zero.
I never mentioned enjoying Re:Zero.
>Boy I can tell you're really insecure about your intelligence.
Now you are overassuming at this point. You think you are at a higher mind when I have just disproven you and you hurl insults at me despite me being right. You have only been calling me degrading names other than trying to disprove how Daiya's motivations were considered not pretentious but you failed. I am not going to bother with this thread since I'm tired of arguing for hours. I know I won. You can reply back saying otherwise but I won't see it.
For fuck's sake. There is a reason why Subary was a neet. He already came into this world with emotional baggage, he's just wearing a mask 95% of the time (Episode 8) and acting clingy because he's that lonely and insecure. We've barely seen 10% of the story. You just can't compare it to a finished work, be it Steins;Gate or anything else.
>>142850198
There you go again, desperately clamoring to defend yourself after exposing your stupidity. You're beyond desperate.
Looks like the RZ proxy voters have lost steam.
Okabe actually funny
Subaru is plain annoying
>>142850369
I thought Okabe was a piece of shit during a good part of S;G.
>>142850395
I thought Re:zeroturds are retarded as fuck. I was right then.
>there are idiots who think re:zero is amazing
Hello MAL
>>142851346
>there are idiots who are mad people like stuff
>>142850298
>j-just wait for the 3rd act guys
Every
Fucking
Time
MAL never fails to amuse me with their stupidity
>>142847252
Fine, fine. Youjo Senki is better then Re:Zero. And have more of a chance of becoming memorable and a classic of LN /lit/.
>>142850298
>You just can't compare it to a finished work, be it Steins;Gate or anything else
Yeah, because it is typical LN schlock disguising itself as something its not.
You'll be 20 volumes in and still say "can't compare it to a finished work" as something better will come along and as SAOfags jumped the RE:Zero bandwagon they'll jump unto the next "this is different from your high school level tier LN"
>>142849726
>But do you want to have it spoiled now?
Really don't care. It's not some huge revelation or anything that'll make me feel some sort of sympathy for him.
Hikikomori/NEET backstory isn't really interesting either as the case is always the same, bullying or some other shit.
Satou from NHK is an interesting case because of his paranoia constantly looming over him and contributed to his hikikomorism.
>>142851611
>wa-wait untill the story is finished
>y-you stupid
>little
>bitch
>>142850937
You might want to learn proper English before voicing an opinion on an English board, you ESL tard.
Fuck off with your cancerous vocal thread. Let people enjoy things, you disgusting piece of shit. Sage.
>>142849138
>>142847874
Steins;Gate (the anime) is the same cliched time travel subplot recycled over and over. It brought nothing new to the genre and changed nothing. Good for a game, diminishing for an anime. It ruined the start of the anime with filler and the beginning is full of pandering and memes. There were no stakes either, the microwave was always conveniently in the same place.
In actual fact, a preferable twist would have been just adapting the γ timeline or throwing in shit like Kurisu actually being a SERN agent.
It's GOAT if you've never watched a single time travel show or read a single book about it in your life, but Erased tells the story better in the time it gets allocated and has better directing to keep the cliff hangers flowing organically rather a whole bunch of nothing at the start, interesting material and then two episode arcs of predictable content. Erased also prevents digging itself into a hole with an explanation that time travel has infinite dimensions and only showcases two timelines and avoids half arsing the scifi by leaving out the explanation. Anime can only do soft scifi anyway. So I rank it good but not great with plenty of improvement potential. That being said, there is a rift in quality between ranks 2 and 3 which are considerable but when a long running TV show gets shit episodes it's much shitter than S;G and Erased but when 1 and 2 get GOAT it gets far GOATer than the anime.
both anime drag a lot but SG makes me curious what happen next while ReZero doesnt catch my curiousity
