>Nori-chan might actually win
I'm ok with this
>>142796568
Or die.
>>142796568
She dies, Chidori wins
Its very predictable.
All I care about is Nico desu
>>142796804
>Chidori wins
This, nigga ran so fast to the patio when he thought he heard her and was burning holes into her during class. Don't be surprised if he "realizes" he's in love with her.
>>142797149
His feelings are a mess but its quite clear who he is affectionate towards and who he sees as a subject of curiosity.
>>142797149
I don't know I mean he ignored her confession to save Nori so that means something
>>142796568
Why does the animation look weird?
Cute nonetheless
>>142797339
His feelings (and the guy in general) being a mess is exactly why you should consider the possibility. It's obvious why he would be so concerned with Sonozaki and the Kizna system but a "Chidori is who I love now and I didn't realize that and blah" ending can easily be the outcome.
>>142797560
That wasn't intentional though and it was one of your family, you'd do the same thing.
I'm not saying this is for sure, just that it's very possible. This isn't uncommon or anything.
>>142796568
>that smile
suddenly best girl
>>142797691
>weird
No, that's actually quite good animation.
Maki > Chidori > Hisomu > Nico > Sonozaki
>>142799283
Sonozaki > Nico > Hisomu >>>>> everyone else
I'm glad Hisomu and Nico got more screentime this episode.
>>142799283
Sonozaki > Chidori >Ruru> Nico > rest
>>142799973
Good shit
>>142799973
Neat.
>>142799973
Is the full op out yet?
>>142796568
Nori-chan is a fucking home wrecking whore. I can't wait until she is dead and Kacchon will have to have someone pick up the pieces for him.
>>142800445
Yes it is
>>142800539
Nori-chan confessed first, Kacchon belongs to her
>>142799973
>anon finally makes it to 2D world.webm
>>142800793
Nori-chan is a used up whore who doesn't care about Kacchon and fucks old men for funds. Chidori is pure and does everything for Kacchon and knows him the best. Chidori was always by his side.
>>142797149
yes but these were before the cutest flashback that sent him into his crying fit
>>142796568
>not posting link to sound
http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1465669108019.webm
>>142797149
Why was Chidori not talking to him? She is his friend right? I don't think she is the sort of girl that would just abandon him.
>>142796568
Aw shit
I don't know why but that scene hit me like a train.
Sonozaki better win. Chidori needs to get the fuck over it.
>>142801335
Shut up Tenga
She doesnt like you anyway
>>142801941
Everyone except Fairy girl, Masochist pervert and Dead boy have gone a number of steps backwards in their relations with one another rather than forwards.
>>142801913
What do you call a boner that is in your chest but you penis isn't hard? That is what I feel.
>>142799283
Beyond bad taste dude.
>>142802021
Love
>>142802021
A heartboner. I got one, too.
>>142802021
anon found a waifu
hopefully we get more of loli sonozaki or that she gets her emotions back and is super cute still
Sonozaki > others
Who even cares about the other people at this point? They feel somewhat pointless now.
will this show end with a vanilla "everyone wins" ending?
Cause I want Noriko to be with her kacchon and everyone else to have their own significant other to love, no one getting left out.
![[HorribleSubs] Kiznaiver - 10 [720p].mkv_snapshot_18.02_[2016.06.12_22.35.42].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/lnvEqZv.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Kiznaiver - 10 [720p].mkv_snapshot_18.02_[2016.06.12_22.35.42].jpg")
How can one girl be so blown the fuck out?
>>142802139
As long as best girl Nori wins and Nico is happy in the end, I'll be fine with it.
Honestly though, I feel like this show is going to pull some bullshit out of its ass in the end.
>>142802139
No Tenga a shit and doesn't deserve to be in a relationship with anyone let alone best girl Chidori.
>>142802176
Chidori didn't get BTFO. She hasn't confessed or been rejected.
>>142802139
>Kacchon is in mutual daisuki with Nori-chan
>but Chidori likes Kacchon
>but Tenga likes Chidori
>but Nico likes Tenga
>while fatboy likes Maki
>but Maki likes a dead lesbian
>purple mostly just likes pain
A bunch of these people seem to fall under the "just friends" category even if problems are resolved though
If Luluco can repair her heart then so can Nori-chan. She'll be daijobou, you just gotta believe.
>>142802368
>but Maki likes a dead lesbian
it's funny because it's true.
>>142801882
I'd start crying too after all this shit. Lab experiment gone wrong, past friends are all dead inside, childhood waifu has been forced to suffer all this time.
>>142802336
>streaming
>>142802368
Kacchon loves Chidori, he is isn't aware of it yet. She has cared for him, spent time with him, and was nice to him so it is obvious she will get his love.
>>142802336
>newfag crunchroll
>>142802505
>he does not stream anime from his nas to his tv
kill yourself
![[Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 10 [5C97D173].mkv_snapshot_05.20_[2016.06.13_11.51.17].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rGI0yAl.jpg "[Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 10 [5C97D173].mkv_snapshot_05.20_[2016.06.13_11.51.17].jpg")
This fucking guy, is alright.
I was sort of shocked when it turned out Chidori was just a thirsty, me first bitch. She claims she doesn't like him but still kicks up a fuss.
WHY DIDN'T YOU PROTECTED NORI-CHAN'S SMILE, /a/?
WHY?
How the fuck do some of you fags like Chidori?
>>142803160
She is kind, selfless, and maternal. She is a sweet girl.
>>142803160
Only good for a hard fucking.
>>142796568
I fucking melted when we finally saw her smile.
>>142803160
>not liking chidori
As long as its not hate I guess.I like her.
>>142796568
Totes adorbz
>>142803274
I'm not normally one for that whole protecting smile meme, but god damn if that whole moment wasn't beautifully animated and so damn cute!
>>142801913
>>142802021
>>142802021
hurts in a good way, doesn't it.
>>142800539
Chidori pls
Katsuhira will die. But his soul will choose to go back in time, the time when he was happiest, and he will be at season 1 first episode. Chidori who loves Katsuhira wants to be with him too and wants to be in a time when Katsuhira'd love her, but since he already loves Nori-chan she'll go back in time before Katsuhira is born, and become his mother.
>>142800539
This post makes me way more pissed off than it should.
>>142801913
goddamn, i get tingles up my spine every time she smiles and says "I love you."
Every time. Without fail. Trigger, why you do this to me?
>>142802336
>crunchyfag
start torrenting like an adult
I mean, look at this smile. How can you NOT either fall in love with her or she instantly becomes a daughteru?
>>142803481
Just you wait, when that hussy Sonozaki dies Kacchon will be crawling on his knees to have Chidori take him back.
>>142803717
Her and everyone else involved in that experiments parents a shit.
>>142803778
Yeah, I'd like to see the parents' reasoning. my guess is that they were poor and were paid off.
>>142803805
Some of the parents were the scientists I recall.
They mentioned everyone in the initial experiment was so positive of it working they were almost in a trance. So probably a combination of all that.
>>142803943
scientists aren't always well-paid. and if their parents were part of it, they probably signed a release so they couldn't sue
>>142803965
Probably.
But then again I don't think the parents are really an important part to the story.
>>142804048
no, they're not. just an interesting diversion.
![[HorribleSubs] Kiznaiver - 10 [720p].mkv_snapshot_05.44_[2016.06.13_14.50.28].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/D5Nhkmk.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Kiznaiver - 10 [720p].mkv_snapshot_05.44_[2016.06.13_14.50.28].jpg")
It's not enough I ruin five children's live into a vegetative state, I also need to make fun of those that come after them.
The absolute madman.
>>142804233
It is their fault for being sensitive bitches plus that well used fuck toy Urushii had to shit on everything.
>>142803717
>>142804359
nice
>>142799973
Amazing
>>142801335
>>142802510
>this is what 'nice guy' beta orbiters tell themselves so they can sleep at night
>>142804954
So Chidori is a "nice guy"?
>>142804996
the female version, yes. She fits every prerequisite.
i guess this works, not feeling it this week
>>142803160
If she gets off on caring for a low-tier autist, she's perfect for most of /a/.
But seriously, outside of her tsuntsun hitting/slapping antics (which have gotten less and less frequent as the show goes on), she's loyal, kind, caring (and can cook) and just wants everyone to get along, except for her chosen man and his childhood crush, understandably.Also, she's pretty good looking, although most of the girls in the show are, depending on your type. Makes the most sexual pose in the OP, too.
I don't really care if she wins the Katsuhiro Bowl (Tenga's a better foil for her anyway), but if Kats goes with Nori and Tenga gets paired with Nico, I will be platinum mad.
>>142805138
Does anyone have the full set of these?
>>142805159
>I don't really care if she wins the Katsuhiro Bowl (Tenga's a better foil for her anyway), but if Kats goes with Nori and Tenga gets paired with Nico, I will be platinum mad.
>tfw she ends up with Purple Pervert
>>142805586
>MFW
I would be laughing too hard to be any kind of mad. Maybe you'd call it 'mad laughter'.
>>142805968
it's more of a "HOLY SHIT, I DID NOT SEE THAT COMING." face
>>142805968
>gif
>the year 2010+6
>>142806096
I grabbed it from the airing threads. Have some respect for the dead man.
>>142805159
shitdori is a selfish bitch who cares for no one but her own fraudulent self-pitying ass. if she got with tenga she'd only nag and abuse him because she has no capability to care for anyone but herself.
>>142803160
It's /a/, and it's a shitty tsundere. What do you expect?
>>142806792
I.E. She's a "Nice Girl" equivalent to a "Nice Guy"
>"I did nice things for you without ever declaring that I had amorous intentions, but you owe me dick and I'll have a tantrum and quit being friends with you if you don't."
>>142802218
>tenga a shit
>not chidori
funny joke, almost raged.
>>142800539
fixed:
chidori is a fucking home wrecking whore. I can't wait until she is dead and tenga will have to have someone pick up the pieces for him.
which will have to be nico or katsuhira let's be real.
>>142803693
what's adult about being the poorfag who can't pay 6 bucks/month for nice&easy access to anime?
Chidori sure has a lot of haters.
>>142807057
>what's adult about saving bandwidth by only downloading a show once
>what's adult about watching in the highest quality currently possible
These scientists doing these things to them. Shit is fucked up
>>142803160
Most people like her.
The bigger question is why so many people don't have Maki as their favorite.
>>142807108
saving bandwidth from whom? Ze Germans? In what poorass country are you living, you queen of poorfags?
>Nori says shit like "hurr Ioved you but now you're free" and dies
>Kacchon deautismifies and cries
>Chidori gets to see this while someone explains her the backstory
>albinos suddenly regain their senses (which is a source of hilarious antics)
>tenga x nico, yuta x maki
>hisomu turns out to be a sleeper agent of the japanese government
>sugomori is closer, mayor is in jail
>they gather on that beach and shoot fireworks
>>142807179
Honest answer: Her personality turns me off and I have never found glasses attractive.
>>142807179
no stamina
notice how quickly she tires compared to others
>>142806792
>no capacity to care for anyone else
She's got a chance to come around and break out of it.
>>142806887
If she realizes what she's been doing, and leaves it behind, there's still hope.As there is for all of us.
The difference between comedy and tragedy is whether the heroinerecognizes their faults and changes, or remains bound by them, like chains around the heart.
The whole time, I haven't been able to see the Kiznaiver wrist scars as anything put standard self-harm scars, which gives "bound by our pain/wounds" a whole new meaning. In the end, the question of the show is whether people can deal with their past, and the pain it causes them, or or just wallow in it.
That's what Maki's whole arc was a spotlight on, and the current situation is just a variation on the same theme, but without the whole group rallying around one person and trying to help them unwind their past. Humorously enough, Yuta's one sided affection for Maki helped her get resolution, and now the one-sided affections of the rest of the group are preventing them from getting any resolution.
>>142807190
Textbook. And I'd be mad, because it wraps things up in the most meaningless way.
>>142807343
>The difference between comedy and tragedy is whether the heroinerecognizes their faults and changes, or remains bound by them, like chains around the heart.
>The whole time, I haven't been able to see the Kiznaiver wrist scars as anything put standard self-harm scars, which gives "bound by our pain/wounds" a whole new meaning. In the end, the question of the show is whether people can deal with their past, and the pain it causes them, or or just wallow in it.
>That's what Maki's whole arc was a spotlight on, and the current situation is just a variation on the same theme, but without the whole group rallying around one person and trying to help them unwind their past. Humorously enough, Yuta's one sided affection for Maki helped her get resolution, and now the one-sided affections of the rest of the group are preventing them from getting any resolution.
Wow, never thought of that. Thanks for the insight, anon.
>>142807111
The entire show is a lot funnier if you take the Kiznaiver scars as self-harm wounds, and interpret all the zany shit as the kids being given shitloads of acid without without anyone realizing.
Explains the OP, too.
>>142807404
Am I the only one who unabashedly loves the OP completely?
>>142807423
too epileptic for my taste
waifu parade ED is more like it
>>142807423
I like it, didn't know anyone had a problem with it
Maybe I'm just a sucker for Boom Boom Satellites
>>142807485
>>142807461
I just love the music and direction. I look forward to it every week even though it's the same. That doesn't make sense, I know.
>>142807423
i, too, love the OP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djV11Xbc914
>>142807526
it only shares three notes or something
>>142807423
Not at all. Even people that hate the show say the opening is great due to originality and great music
>>142799973
Better than the actual show.
>>142807423
>>142807505
Right there with ya, only I figured out this show was a thing yesterday, because of the thread, and have been shotgunning it since, watching the OP each episode. It's probably one of the best crystallizations of a good trip I've seen as an OP.
>>142807526
Good, I'm not the only one.
>>142807534
>only three notes
>and some engrish lyrics that are close enough to be misinterpreted as a-ha's biggest hit
>>142807666
>>and some engrish lyrics that are close enough to be misinterpreted as a-ha's biggest hit
alright, I guess that's a good point
why nico not a shit:
she swallowed her pride and confronted katsuhira & purple with the hopes of making friends out of them AND recognized her rejection and realized that it wasn't the ONLY thing that happened during her summer
meanwhile what the fuck else is everyone else doing
NOTHING
>>142807423
I always skipped the OP after episode 3. I just do not like that kind of music, I guess.
I find it baffling why so many say it is so good that it is the only redeeming thing in Kiznaiver, but different musical tastes.
>>142807730
you're the hipstest
>Honto? Watashi mo Katsuhira-kun DAAAAAAAAAAISUKI!
>>142807057
You know the history of Crunchy, yes? These fags will shit on you for streaming in general, but it's not so bad if you're going third party at some ad site. Crunchy is the fucking devil. The day they get a cent from me directly is the day I chop off my own dick and eat it with A1 steak sauce.
>>142807730
I wouldn't say it's the only redeeming thing, but yeah, no accounting for different musical takes. I guess it doesn't hurt that I like club music.
>>142803717
Because she became terrible growing up. Hintyou have a daugter, it WILL happen no matter what.
>>142807761
>takes
I mean tastes. I should probably go get some sleep.
>>142807774
Don't you even compare it to that.
And Sonozaki is like that because she's constantly drugged with painkillers.
>>142807705
>what the fuck else is everyone else doing
Hisomu actually at least checked the other six's houses and then went into the house of the one least capable of taking care of himself and brought food. During the Summer of Broken Hearts.
People always forgot Hisomu is always the exception. He had no prior drama. He had no love drama. He had not acted like idiots after his introduction.
It is because he is so underdeveloped to be an absolute anomaly.
>>142807817
A daughter growing up will become shit no matter what. Drugs only make them even worse.
>>142799973
>>142807760
>Crunchy is the fucking devil
/a/ is always against any paid service with the exception of buyfags.
>>142807854
So do sons, as evidenced by you.
>>142807760
>You know the history of Crunchy, yes?
Not him, but I've been curious for a while now. Was just reading about it on Wikipedia.
They made money off of fansubbers who uploaded to their site right? Then got liscensing deals to host certain shit and removed copyright infringing fansubs?
Yeah it's kind of fucked up that they made money off of other people's work, but why would fansubbers (among others) be pissed off at crunchy despite the fact that the fansubbers uploaded that stuff to crunchy when they knew it was a for profit site?
>>142807848
he's perfectly aware of his status
once confronted by Maki he openly asks whether its mandatory to have some prior psychological trauma to be the person he is
he's somehow involved in the project I assume, that will be the big tweest
>>142807958
Sonozaki picked him out. Or was it the researchers? One of them know something about him.
>>142807760
yeah right like you could afford $6 per month without selling your dick sucking abilities on craiglist
![[Muffled Typhoon Noises In The Distance].png](https://i.imgur.com/Y7hovd1.png "[Muffled Typhoon Noises In The Distance].png")
>shotgunned everything through ep 9
>ep 9, Jesus
>about to pull the TRIGGER on ep 10
Take my hand, /a/.
>>142808047
>take my hand, /a/
>not "Lay your hands on me, /a/"
You had one job.
One fucking job.
And you fucked it up.
Your love is going to be unrequited.
>>142808047
>survived the ITAI fest
>afraid of venturing forth
philistine
>>142805138
Love on you.
I thought noboby followed the 4 guys chart. I'm glad to see it.
Is someone have others?
>>142807952
It's not that they charged for people to watch fansubs, even though that + turning on them after going legit was a weasel thing to do. It's the fact that they proceeded to join Funi and crusade against the evils of fansubbers, copyright infringement, and torrenting. They're ruthless, hypocritical pieces of shit.
>>142808047
it doesn't get too much worse
>>142807952
Farmer John decides to plant some turnips in a field that doesn't belong to him, and then gives the turnips away for free. Mr. Crunchyroll sees this, and starts taking the free turnips, washing them, and selling them to people in his own little turnip stand. Farmer John and his customers think this is bullshit, but whatever. It's not even Farmer John's land in the first place.
A few years later, Mr. Crunchyroll gets a startup loan and makes friends and partners with the guys that actually own the field. Then Mr. Crunchyroll goes back to the field and starts trying to tear up the turnips, screaming that Farmer John and all the people he gives free turnips to are criminals, and only the legal turnips that Mr. Crunchyroll now grows and sells are okay to eat.
That's pretty much it.
>>142808228
It's been constant escalation so far, so I expect it to get worse from here. Really loving the way the Purple Pervert, Kats, and Nico task force is getting to the bottom of the mystery.
But now it's the rooftop, and this is probably going to hit way too close to home.Because I think I'm about to watch Tenga do something I once did myself.
>>142808511
That's half the appeal of the show though. You come to love the characters because you were once that young, stupid, and totally clueless about love and your own feelings in general.
>>142796804
>She dies,
Katsuhira and Maki'll share the bond of loving the deceased.
>Chidori wins
The Yutabowl.
Okada's writing took a new low last episode, lets see what she can do next episode.
>>142807179Because Maki looks eerily similar to someone I know IRL
>>142808543
>were once
Yeah, that's right. I'm completely and totally past that now. Completely. Totally.
Hah, Tenga's got more balls and even less sense that I did. This has been a good ride so far, although not always a fun ride, and I'm looking forward to next week.
This cast was goofy as hell at first, but they've really grown on me.
>>142808744
>new low
Care to elaborate? I came in to watch a forced drama trainwreck, and I've been nothing but pleasantly surprised by what I've seen so far.
>>142808785
>Yeah, that's right. I'm completely and totally past that now. Completely. Totally.
okay well, obviously i don't speak for everybody. Sorry there.
>>142808822
You real point was spot-on, though. It's very relatable.
![[HorribleSubs] Kiznaiver - 10 [720p].mkv_snapshot_15.31_[2016.06.13_18.06.54].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/bGllrPl.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Kiznaiver - 10 [720p].mkv_snapshot_15.31_[2016.06.13_18.06.54].jpg")
Holy fucking shit I want do Urushii so bad.
>>142808874
I think her eyes are pretty sexy
>>142808744
I've seem infodumps that were a heck of a lot more forced then this episodes. Kacchon actually becoming something of a real human being redeemed a lot, and I thought Chidori's outburst really summed up what she was thinking the whole time. It was a neat way of getting across that she wished she'd kept things the way they were instead of even trying to confess to Kacchon.
>>142808881
Kiznaivers has the best eyeporn in anime.
>>142808785
As I said before too many conveniences and the terrible pacing is what is ruining the show for me.A lot of questions are still unanswered and we have two episodes left. Feels like a rush job will be happening.
>>142808890
It was forced though. Like seriously, why were the broken kiznaiver kids just sitting there randomly when he was talking to the counselor?
Chidori's outburst was again nonsensical bullshit like all her actions are. Do I have to recount the idiocy of last episode when Kacchon tried to hug her?
>>142808966
Can we ban people for using the forced buzzword?
>>142808874
I want these two to just fuck already.
>>142808997
Don't like it, put in the filter you sensitive fag.
>>142808966
>why were the broken kiznaiver kids just sitting there randomly when he was talking to the counselor
Because they're broken?
>>142801913
It's so good with that odd ambient BGM.
Just shines with purity.
I didn't see Ninja Slayer, and the Supernatural battle anime was sub par, but does this anime truly confirm that Trigger has saved anime?
People were praising them during academia, but it seems so far, with their track record, they are pushing through the ranks to become the best studio in the present.
>>142809090
Nah, it's already a good indicator that I can completely discard the rest of a post.
>>142808966
Come on, you'd be upset if the person you'd loved for years rejects you, then turns around and hugs you, not in a romantic way, but in a way that shows he has no idea what's going on and doesn't really understand what you're feeling.
>>142809117
No, why were they just sitting there at that particular time?
>>142809214
Except that was her heart speaking....how do you explain that? Hell how do you explain how they can do surgery tht leaves a scar on the wrist but can cause the wrist to glow during emotional turbulences, be a communicator, has telepathy and can share pain to other people. We still haven't gotten an explanation on the inner workings of it.
>>142808966
>Do I have to recount the idiocy of last episode when Kacchon tried to hug her?
You just never felt this kind of complex situation, this is incomprehension is normal for people like you who never experimented that.
>Except that was her heart speaking....how do you explain that? Hell how do you explain how they can do surgery tht leaves a scar on the wrist but can cause the wrist to glow during emotional turbulences, be a communicator, has telepathy and can share pain to other people. We still haven't gotten an explanation on the inner workings of it.
it's fantasy science fiction, anon. Jesus Christ.
>>142809267
>why were they just sitting there at that particular time
Their last good memories before Kiznaiver system fucks them up is playing around in the garden, so they probably go there just to have that small semblance of feelings before going to sleep or something. It's the evening, after all.
And the counselor brings Kacchon there because she knew they'll be there.
>>142808966
>terrible pacing
Not sure what you're getting at. The show's done a really good job of building tension, the releasing some of it, just to ratchet up the tension another notch for the next cycle, which usually coincides with the Kiznaivers becoming more sensitive to each other.
>rush job
I admit, that worries me a lot too. There's probably not time to set up a fulfilling ending at this point, and another season (haha) would be way too much time.
>too many conveniences
That's actually part of the genius of the show: the nearly Truman Show manipulation of events by the ever-watching experimenters. This allows for some of the tight timing and other things that would be true bullshit in any other show to make more sense, at least during the missions.
>>142809267
>why are the broken kids sitting there?
That's pretty standard with some types of invalids, actually. Many hospitals have enclosed gardens or other outside areas for terminal patients to get some fresh air, a dose of sun, and a taste of nature. Even vegetables get wheeled out there from time to time, in case they're still 'there' enough to get some benefit. Nursing homes (at least decent ones) are a prime example of this sort of thing, bringing people who can't walk, talk, or even really think on their own out into the garden for what good it can do them. Palliative care, Jesus H. Christ.
>Chidori's actions are nonsensical
Yeah, no. They make a lot of sense. She wants Kats' affection, and holding her would be sign of that. But when he does it, she realizes that his heart isn't in it (as it obviously was with Nori), which makes it worse than worthless.
People deeply desire things in their heart that they realize as soon as they get them that the very thing they desired isn't truly what they wanted at all. but until they've got them in their hands, they have no hope of realizing that it isn't what they truly want.I never thought I'd be defending Okada's writing one day.
>>142809267
>Except that was her heart speaking....how do you explain that?
SciFi show.
>Hell how do you explain how they can do surgery tht leaves a scar
The scar is symbolic.
>emotional turbulences, be a communicator, has telepathy and can share pain to other people.
This is why a scifi story is interesting dumbass. The show gives you few elements, and your work is make a theory based on your scientific knowledge for explain everything.
Not your fault if you haven't imagination or can't stop your incredulity.
Yamada revels in carnage just for shits and giggles
I love how needlessly edgy he is
>>142809392
Not to mention, in the metaphysical sense, the 'heart' isn't logical. It doesn't progress and create through logical incremental steps like the brain. It jumps from one idea to another idea as the feelings ebb and flow. That's what 'the heart', or emotions, are supposed to be.
>>142809445
heart is a pump for blood you melodramatic fag
you're the hack, not Okada
>>142809267
>how do you explain how they can do surgery tht leaves a scar on the wrist but can cause the wrist to glow during emotional turbulences, be a communicator, has telepathy and can share pain to other people?
>how do you explain mecha
>how do you explain psychic powers
>how do you explain Sybil System
>how do you explain Geass
>how do you explain (insert the scifi/fantasy gimmick of your choice here)
The only thing a show using anything other than baseline reality can do is define the uses and limitations of the things that break from established reality, enough to make their usage believable.
If "GN Particles" or "yo, we hooked a bunch of brains in tanks together" make you more comfortable with the fantastic elements, you're shallow as hell, because that's nothing but fluff fluff
>>142809485
>heart is a pump for blood
>heart has been referred to for thousands of years, by multiple cultures as the seat of emotions/human motivations
We still write circuit diagrams with flow from + to -, even though we know it actually works the other way around.Fuck, I bit the bait.
>>142809273
More like a girl acting ridiculous and expecting the guy to mind read her.
Remember what she said earlier in the series? She mentioned how she liked his past self but doesn't like him now but now she likes again because of jealously of Sonazaki.
>>142809320
Assuming they are so broken they are lifeless dolls, who brought them there? If this is financed by the government, they would be in a much better facility that doesn't have crumbling walls and shitty chairs for them to sit on.
>And the counselor brings Kacchon there because she knew they'll be there.
More like Okada forgot the mc is still a lifeless zombie and so she probably thought it was a good time for him to cry now. Nothing is organic in this episode, everything seems haphazardly put together.
just when you think Nico can't get any cuter
>>>/wsg/1129542
>>142809548
>More like Okada forgot the mc is still a lifeless zombie
How do you figure?
>>142809548
>>More like Okada forgot the mc is still a lifeless zombie and so she probably thought it was a good time for him to cry now
You're either being intentionally obtuse or really fucking dense.
>>142809392
>That's actually part of the genius of the show
I don't think that's what he was talking about. Kizna tech has had no explanation whatsoever. No rules have been established, not even magic psuedoscience. They even skip the operation so we can't know how they do it.
Everyone just feels each other pain because reasons. Also, they all share emotions because reasons. If their hit by enough emotions, that'll make them share thoughts because reasons. And all of the feeling that got siphoned by Sonozaki because reasons also gets transformed into pain because reasons. Feel sorry for the ill girl! Also, everyone's hair turned white because reasons. Even though Sonozaki got drugged to remove her feeling just like all the vegetables she hasn't turned into a vegetable because reasons.
Oh yeah, and here's a convenient love hexagon for some extra drama. We're gonna drop, like, half of it though if you don't mind.
>>142809512
I think it's worth pointing out that all those things you listed have an explanation that serves a purpose. Mecha varies from show to show, but it's generally anti-gravity tech or jammers. Psychic powers also varies, but it's supernatural 90% of the time. Sybil System having brains in it was a crucial plot element. Hooking up brains to a computer is about half science we're still figuring out and half wires, but we know it's pretty much possible at this point. Geass was entirely supernatural and existed since the beginning of the world. GN Particles were an analogy for Higgs Boson.
Meanwhile, we have Kiznas, which just do a million things that aren't entirely consistent because it's convenient for the plot. Almost nothing is properly established.
>make you more comfortable with the fantastic elements, you're shallow as hell, because that's nothing but fluff fluff
If we're going by typical storytelling conventions like this show does, properly establishing the setting is one of the singlemost crucial elements of suspension of disbelief.
>>142809548
>acting ridiculous and expecting the guy to mind read her
Not to go all /r9k/ on ya, but that's a real thing. Although, in this situation, he was reading her mind, but she didn't want what she thought she wanted. She wanted what he was giving to Nori when he hugged her, but got nothing but the physical act instead.
The moment when you're physically intimate with someone, and realize that there's no heart in it, can absolutely rip you up. If you've never experienced it, I'm happy for ya.
>she likes him again because she's jealous
Also realistic, but not exactly admirable. You could try making a case against Chidori being a good person, but a good representation of a flawed character is still good writing.
I'd argue that she was downplaying it by saying it was in the past, and even if not, old flames flare up damn fast. Besides, Kats had some serious improvement during the time her feelings turned back on (if they were ever truly off). But that's rather beside the point.
>the broken kids would be in a much better facility
Where people might ask awkward questions about what happened to these albino near-vegetables. It's pretty obvious they're trying to keep everything involved in the experiment under their control and under wraps.
Besides, Nori's still active, and they're connected to her. They're worth keeping around for science reasons, and giving them to anyone else is an incredibly dumb idea. If it takes the ridiculous analgesics/dissociatives to keep Nori in one piece with them just sitting around, imagine how much more it would take if someone was deliberately subjecting those kids to intense sensations/pain.
Imagine the kind of leverage any other organization would wield over Nori/the Kinza Project if they had possession of those kids. It makes sense to keep them around.
>>142809598
the fucking cutest
>>142809548
>muh Chidori isn't logical.
"Thehearthas its reasons that theReason ignores."
It's human feelings, it's casual to be paradoxical for this extreme feels. Did you studied ancient greecs playwright? I suppose no because this paradoxal feels and acts are fundamentals. You don't have to search logical or pragmatism in few of them, because this is when the characters are facing great difficulties, physical or psychological, then they are the greatest.
As I said, you never experimented this kind of situation so you can't understand how it works.
You seem inexperimented with basic humain relations
>>142809693
>an explanation that serves a purpose
It's all effectively the sufficiently advanced science indistinguishable from magic, no matter what words are used. Honestly, I'm happy they didn't bring any bullshit like "this is an outgrowth of cellphones, which allow people to share emotions through speech and text".
>properly establishing the setting
Town built/controlled by people trying to create and iron out the kinks in a mad science project. Also, run by the kind of people that would try a mad science project like this. May as well ask how NERV can haul Shinji Ikari in after his sulking-on-a-train stuff.
>Kizna's aren't consistent
As for explaining the Kiznaiver procedure/rules itself, there's tension between properly setting up your rules, and the journey of discovery. Dumping everything at the start is usually fucking awful.
At the beginning, we were told that it shares people's pain by splitting it up among the connected group. We get shown the examples of physical pain pretty fast. If you didn't think "isn't people's mental/emotional pain more painful than physical pain? How do you solve 'world peace' just through sharing physical pain?" sometime in the second episode, this show might not be for you.
We then get shown that by splitting the pain, one person can do something extremely painful, and not feel it as much as they would without the system.
Alright.
Then, the system gradually starts ramping up, sharing more things. Not much of a stretch. We finally get to emotional pain, and are told about 'words from the heart' as a final level. Then we go there.
Ok, so we've established all this stuff. and then they tell us "yeah, we tried an earlier version of the system, and it was buggy, and the sharing stuff didn't work right".
Still seems alright.
>it's painful for her because reasons
Imagine experiencing a jumbled, disconnected version of the sensations of nineteen people. Sounds like I'd need heavy drugs to deal with it.
>>142809693
>here's a convenient love hexagon
Most of it grew fairly believably/organically over the course of the show. Nico/Tenga was something I didn't see much of until just before it was important, but that's only a small piece of it. The Tenga/Chidori/Kats/Nori chain was well established.
>Nori's been drugged, she should be a vegetable
The vegetables are under the effects of what would be analogous to a full CNS dissociative. Basically, they're in the K-hole, where they're not getting any neural feedback from their bodies. Or something like that.
The stuff Nori's on is probably a more standard opiate painkiller, or a mixture of several things, enough to manage the pain without completely fucking her mind. Frankly, some of her actions seem more believable if you think "she's on some heavy drugs".
It's like how you can use a painkiller/opiate to dull/nullify pain without becoming completely anesthetized.
Stupid Theory-Time:
Something will happen that will link the two Kiznaiver systems together through Katsuhira, and then cause something to happen with the 5 vegetables or Noriko.Don't know if this is an original idea or not. Haven't been in that many threads.
>>142810345
not bad.
>>142810345
I think it already did in some manner. That could explain why in episode 9 Chidori, Tenga, Nico, Yuta, Maki and Hisomu fainted but Kacchon didn't. Some pain must have transferred from Kacchon to Sonozaki.
>>142810345
>>142810411
I think there's little hope Nori makes it out of this alive, which dishes any chance of Chidori having to grow up and move past the state she's currently in.
![[HorribleSubs] Kiznaiver - 10 [720p].mkv_snapshot_06.08_[2016.06.13_19.49.15].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ra3Lhkk.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Kiznaiver - 10 [720p].mkv_snapshot_06.08_[2016.06.13_19.49.15].jpg")
Why do Yamada and Urushii differ so much?
Not that I expect anything to come out of their differences unfortunately.
![[Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 10.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kMVhGxs.jpg "[Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 10.jpg")
>>142810450
One of them wasn't bullied
>>142810450
i just chalk it up to personalty and sex differences. A woman is more likely to feel a maternal instinct
>>142810014
>It's all effectively the sufficiently advanced science indistinguishable from magic, no matter what words are used
Except it really isn't. That's the point I explained. Even so, "a wizard did it," is just as bad as nothing at all. At the very least, a setting's ground for magic should have some visualization or explanation for what does what and how that impacts everything else.
>Town
The setting is not just a location. It's the laws of physics a world follows and why. It's the various groups who inhabit it. It's the history and time the setting exists within.
>there's tension between properly setting up your rules, and the journey of discovery
That's kinda beside the point. Spoken exposition isn't the only way to give details either. It goes along with the whole, "it shares their pain," thing well enough, but then the scientists who supposedly worked on the project don't properly understand how they work. They say it exists to convey pain, but then there was apparently a barrier for sharing emotion, something that was conveniently left completely unmentioned until it was important when all it would take to work was change the word "pain" to "feeling", which is effectively the same. It probably has something to do with the nervous system, which would justify how they can share clearer thoughts, but why in the world is that set behind an emotional pain limiter? How? Was that even intentional or not? Why is it that the scar is on their wrists? Logically it would be because that's the best place to easily display the holograms, but the carpal nerve isn't exactly the most efficient place to be sending messages up and down. It's also not the case because Sonozaki and Kacchon's second scar are on the back of the neck and chest respectively. Does the location have any impact on how they work like a frequency or something?
(continued)
>>142810014
>>142810494
The two delinquents sharing one on their forehead suggested this, but Kacchon and Sonozaki's are in two different locations and function just fine together. Also, how in the world does Kacchon's make itself disappear and reappear as the plot demands? Why did their group's signals all feed into Sonozaki other than just because? How are the scars made to actually insert that tech into them and why does it have to have such an ornate shape? Why doesn't the location matter? Even if it doesn't why wouldn't there be a more uniform surgical procedure? How in the world do those holograms even get projected? Is it part of the city or does it somehow penetrate their flesh? What the hell are, "words of the heart"? What the fuck? Emotions can form clear and complex ideas based on what language a person's brain is programmed in? Who invented the Kizna? Where are they and what's their role in this? Shouldn't they be supervising the experiment? We know the two teachers weren't the inventors because they used to just be lackeys. Why does the Kizna affect someone's pigmentation? I could go on all day if it weren't for the fact that I'm running out of space for two whole posts.
>Imagine experiencing a jumbled, disconnected version of the sensations of nineteen people. Sounds like I'd need heavy drugs to deal with it.
That alone would be one thing. It's explicitly stated that it wasn't just sensory overload, but all the senses were somehow multiplied and converted into pain. They didn't even say, "oh we wired it wrong," or, "there was a critical glitch," or anything. How could they? We don't even know how Kiznas are made.
To put it simply, there are an abundance of poorly or incorrectly conveyed ideas as well as completely pointless variables that only serve to create confusion. This is the polar opposite of proper setting establishment.
>>142810494
What you want is hard science in a soft science story.
You're not going to get it. If Kiznaiver had pretended to be hard science, you would have actually had a point. But it never did and you don't.
>>142799973
Damn.
>>142810494
Attempting to heavily analyze the science of a plot device intended to be a simple vehicle for the drama just makes you look like a fool, anon.
>>142810472
Are Japo's kids this cute in real life?
>>142810586
Different anon, but one could argue that a person dives too deep into the insufficient worldbuilding into such specific degrees because there isn't anything worthy in the world itself. Maybe that anon just can't stand the drama and have to focus on the lack of technical details.
![[HorribleSubs] Kiznaiver - 10 [720p].mkv_snapshot_06.57_[2016.06.13_11.59.31].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FyyAZFZ.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Kiznaiver - 10 [720p].mkv_snapshot_06.57_[2016.06.13_11.59.31].jpg")
>Kacchon tries to look for Nori-chan by looking at girls' panties
I love this motherfucker.
Would the show have been better off as a straightforward chuuni urban fantasy instead of a character drama?
>>142810629
>Hisomu joins in
Yeah, I genuinely don't understand that scene. It's funny, though.
>>142810629
I was thinking the same damn thing, and it felt weird when Nico didn't even say anything when you usually expect the cliche "HENTAI!" *SMACK*
>>142810521
>a wizard did it is as bad as nothing at all
And what I've been saying the whole time is that talking about something like broadcasting amplified nerve signals, in a way that diminishes the original signals, or any pseudo-scientific explanation, is no better than "a wizard did it".
>they didn't say there was a glitch
They didn't have to say that. It's fucking obvious. They referred to a previous, failed iteration, and the very fact that they're re-doing the experiment shows that they didn't get good results the first time.
>locations?
Apparently, the device can be placed in multiple locations on the body. If we were working backward from what we've seen in the show, assuming there's a reason for it, we could guess that the locations for the Kinza were different on the children in the first test batch, probably to test for the optimal placement site.
Hell, let's go for it and say that the reason Nori's has the issue is because hers was tapped directly into her spine, instead of a lesser nerve, as the others seem to have been.
Now, in the second go-round, with data from the first one, the location was standardized to the wrist, probably because it was a decent balance of effectiveness without becoming overwhelming.
Bam, just extrapolating from the show's visuals, operating from the assumption that the writers/artists knew what they were doing, and there's a potential decent answer to some of your questions, including one of the big ones.
But why didn't they tell us this directly? Because infodumps are shit. As you said, spoken exposition isn't the only way to give details. Maybe the visual details here actually answer your questions, if you just look.Perhaps because they didn't have an explanation, and just threw in things that could be connected into one if someone was looking hard enough.
But there's probably another/different reason for the locations.
>>142810664
No. Three Star Tenga looks stupid.
>>142810527
It's not hard science. I'm 100% fine with absurd magic so long as it obeys it's own set of rules. It doesn't obey any. Things just happen because it's convenient for the plot plain and simple.
Time travel isn't hard science. Mecha isn't hard science. Psychic powers isn't hard science. However, I like and enjoy these things, especially if they actually have an explanation for their own set of rules to follow. That's what setting development is. I'm not saying this needs to have Star Trek tier Q&A or anything, I just want it to be consistent.
Actually try reading through that long list of questions. Most of them have nothing to do with actual science and wouldn't even exist if Kiznaiver would eliminate unnecessary variables. More of them still wouldn't exist if there were maybe one or two new characters. More of them still wouldn't exist if we were shown just about anything to do with what Kiznaivers are aside from scars.
None of this is hard science. It's all just setting and all that entails. Having a character to just answer the how of how this setting exists is just satisfying a suspension of disbelief.
>>142810586
It's not heavy nor is it analysis. These are big headscratchers I came up with without any break between them, most of which wouldn't exist if the creators were less careless with the pointless variables. Several of those questions literally just address the wording in the script.
>>142810606
It's the overabundance of technical details that have no impact on the drama that bothers me. Those technical details both have no reason to exist as well as no answer for their existence.
>>142810606
It's more like he's one of those people who really hate that one director and embarrassingly nitpick the shit out of everything they do because they can't seem to form an actual critique of the main aspects of the show.
>>142810752
It all comes down to that you want specifics in a McGuffin.
It's there to drive the plot and be a "gee-whiz" thing while exploring the effects of such technology. It doesn't need to explore exactly how it works because
a. It's not important to the story
b. It's incredibly boring
c. It's NOT important to the story.
Writers put what's important into the story and usually hand-wave the rest. What's important in this story is the relationships between the characters and how such a technology would affect them. It's not about the technology itself.
>>142810494
>>142810723
>why is the scar on their wrist
Now, for the potential thematic reasons. We're wildly stabbing in the dark here.
Wrists, because wrist-slitting is fairly standard self-harm. Ties into the "connected by our wounds" theme, and the theme of scars from past trauma and how people deal with trauma, movinig past it or not.
What about the different locations in the first group?
Well, the only ones we've seen are Kats (heart) and Nori (back of neck).
Kats' is fairly obvious. His first Kinza is his link to his emotions, and his pain. Or rather, his emotions, because of his pain, since most emotions arise like waves on the ocean of the human subconscious' desire to escape pain and seek comfort. For bonus points, it connects his heart to Nori, tying into the love polygon.
Nori's extends far enough around her neck that it's visible from the front, as if about to encircle her neck. It's killing her, strangling her like a noose, or the old French horror story about the woman whose head was removed by the guillotine, and wore a choker to hide the fact that she was really dead.
Then we've got the two lunkheads who show up for virtually no time, with forehead markings.
Small markings, possibly because they were never intended to reach for higher levels of synchronization, like the true experimental subjects. They've got the skull insulating them from the nervous system, leading to a less invasive connection.
And as for symbolism, well, the look like stupid birthmarks? I've got about as much idea as their Kinzas got screentime.
>>142810723
>And what I've been saying the whole time is that talking about something like broadcasting amplified nerve signals, in a way that diminishes the original signals, or any pseudo-scientific explanation, is no better than "a wizard did it".
Except it is. There's a world of difference from 'the world explodes because magic' and 'the world explodes because magic spontaneously froze the core'. The devil is in the details, etcetera.
>assuming there's a reason for it, we could guess that the locations for the Kinza were different on the children in the first test batch, probably to test for the optimal placement site
That's one really big maybe. And also a failure on Okada's part.
>say that the reason Nori's has the issue is because hers was tapped directly into her spine
That's an even bigger maybe. It's also worth pointing out that any number of answers about emotions or whatever would've worked.
>the location was standardized to the wrist
And yet the two delinquents get it directly in their skull? That sounds incredibly balanced and not overwhelming.
>why didn't they tell us this directly? Because infodumps are shit
Firstly, I can almost guarantee that almost none of these questions will have any bearing on anything else in the story. They're just pointless white noise that makes the other pieces fall apart. Secondly, a couple sentences here or there aren't infodumps, and that's all that would've been necessary for what wasn't either already obvious or easily solved.
>some of your questions
When none of them should exist, not good enough.
>Perhaps because they didn't have an explanation, and just threw in things that could be connected into one if someone was looking hard enough.
>Viewers, I can't be bothered to establish a setting, so I'll just throw random shit at a wall and let you do the work for me!
>>142810809
Only hacks create details they don't need. These questions expose a wealth of details that they don't need and details that are missing.
>>142810925
>Only hacks create details they don't need. These questions expose a wealth of details that they don't need and details that are missing.
Okay, you're a lost cause. I give up.
>>142802505
>>142802529
>>142803693
>taking the bait
>>142810866
I actually really like these answers. They don't make sense, but they at least show intent and tie into the purpose of the series well. Meta answers usually aren't good enough, but it's something, even if it's just one interpretation for one of the things that hasn't been addressed.
>>142810945
You could try explaining what you mean by that outside of ad hominem. Saying it's a magic mcguffin so you shouldn't care equates to saying a wizard did it or nothing at all. Even so, it's still not just a plot ticket. All the drama and character development revolves almost entirely on the Kizna.
>>142797783
>>142802510
How are you so delusional?
Even if Nor dies there is no way Chidori will end up with Kacchon. The series has made a point just how toxic their relationship would be. She hasn't rejected tenga, or more like refused to, if anybody's gonna win anything its going to be him
>>142810752
>how of how this setting exists is just satisfying a suspension of disbelief
If you're not satisfied with "city built to conduct this crazy mad science, run by the kind of crazies who would build such a city for such a reason", you're not gonna be happy.
>unnecessary variables
Having scars for what's basically magic on different parts of the body and saying that's a significant variable is like those fags theorizing about what the soul gem locations of the megucas symbolize. There's shit that just isn't particularly important, and not important enough for the show to explain.
Like the particulars of why the first Kinza experiment failed so catastrophically. What we're told is that the central fractional sharing structure somehow didn't function correctly. Assumably, the scientists know why, since they prevented it in the second Kinza experiment, but they feel no reason to share the technical reason with the three screwed-up High Schoolers present for the exposition.
>>142810752
>actually read through the questions
I am, and I've taken a stab at the ones I found most interesting (Kinza locations, mostly). You've got an eye for nitpicking, but I think a lot of what you're asking about hangs together, if you're willing to start from the premise that the show has a sufficient reason for much of it, and you pull from a wide enough field of knowledge.
>>142811006
The thing is that a wizard did it really is an adequate explanation for this show. We get enough information to give the audience a basic understanding they can believe and anything beyond that is irrelevant to what the show is actually trying to do.
I don't know how you stomach watching anything if you need every plot to either be completely bare-bones or have an absurd amount of completely logical world building.
>>142811117
>If you're not satisfied with "city built to conduct this crazy mad science, run by the kind of crazies who would build such a city for such a reason"
I just need a name and five seconds of screentime of the project's head. Instead we get two people working on it.
>Having scars for what's basically magic on different parts of the body and saying that's a significant variable is like those fags theorizing about what the soul gem locations of the megucas symbolize. There's shit that just isn't particularly important, and not important enough for the show to explain.
That's what makes it unnecessary. Muh symbolism is satisfactory because it's at least something that creates a purpose, but otherwise, it's white noise that's harmful to the infrastructure of what Kiznas are.
>think a lot of what you're asking about hangs together, if you're willing to start from the premise that the show has a sufficient reason for much of it, and you pull from a wide enough field of knowledge
I find too much of it requires extrapolation. That aside, there are still big questions that haven't been answered such as what's going on with Kacchon's original Kizna and who's responsible for the experiment aside from those two teachers and the mayor, but I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens in the remaining episodes before we can say anything certain about those.
>>142811285
That's what I'm getting at. If the differences don't matter, then they don't need to be there. It just distracts from what the show is trying to do. That's why symbolism is a such a nice answer. 'Just cuz' is stupid.
>>142810925
>except it is
Haha, good one. And saying "this system that shares pain shared it unequally to this girl (presumably because there was a problem, which is the whole reason why we're running the experiment a second time)" is not better enough than "they are vegetables because Kizna"?
>I'll throw shit at a wall and let the viewers connect the dots
EVA is still a masterpiece.This show isn't, but it's a lot better than you're giving it credit for.
>only hacks create details they don't need
>if it doesn't matter, it doesn't need to be there
This is nuts. It's like saying that a painting of a tree should just be a green circle atop a thin brown vertical rectangle, because individual leaves are unnecessary details that only a hack would add, since you can tell it's a tree from the basic shapes and colors.
Every work has detail is doesn't need. The color of the characters' shoes, for instance, in a work that isn't heavy into using color for themeing. This is especially relevant in visual media, since in writing, you can simply not mention the shoes, but you have to show them in animation.
>they're pointless white noise
>but they make everything else fall apart!
>all these meaningless questions should have answers! These questions shouldn't be able to be raised at all!
Your questions are on points the show doesn't specifically address, and doesn't depend on for it to function. You have failed to point out any glaring inconsistencies, which is where worldbuilding/tech/magic falls apart.
Fuck this, I'm going to bed.
You seem to have destructive intelligence. You can pick at holes and raise questions, but you don't seem capable or inclined to take a stab at answering any of those questions for yourself. You've got some intelligence, but can't read between lines to save your life.
You act as if you're smart enough to spot all the tiny flaws, but so dumb everything has to be spelled out in explicit exposition.
>>142811368
>I just need a name and five seconds of screentime of the project's head
Those would be the very 'pointless details' you're so up in arms about in other areas of the show. White noise. They'd add nothing to our understanding of what's going on.
And now that I think about it, you're still full of shit.
We got a name: the Kinza group. We got faces: the research team photo.
If you want a more current face, or a person the Mayor at least holds the purse strings, and is probably the closest thing to an executive head they have right now.
What's his name? Who the fuck cares and why would it matter?
Unless it was incredibly symbolic, there would be no reason for a name, and giving the mayor a symbolic name would smell ever so ridiculous.
>>142799283
Sonozaki > Urushii > Niko = Ruru > Original Kiznaiver girls > Maki > Gomorin girl mascots > QT 3.14 background girls > Yuta's harem > Chidori
>>142799973
10/10
>>142811421
>Haha, good one
>There's a world of difference from 'the world explodes because magic' and 'the world explodes because magic spontaneously froze the core'.
>And saying "this system that shares pain shared it unequally to this girl (presumably because there was a problem, which is the whole reason why we're running the experiment a second time)" is not better enough than "they are vegetables because Kizna"?
That's not even what I was addressing, but okay.
>EVA is still a masterpiece
I would certainly argue that. It's only special as a character study and otherwise an overrated mess, and even then it's mostly just Anno projecting how depressed and shitty he was on everyone else, but this isn't the place for that.
>It's like saying that a painting of a tree should just be a green circle atop a thin brown vertical rectangle, because individual leaves are unnecessary details that only a hack would add, since you can tell it's a tree from the basic shapes and colors.
Pic related. That aside, with or without leaves, it's still a tree. What if that tree was dead, though? What if it was on a barren sand dune? What do these things mean? That's the important part.
>The story isn't about the character's shoes. It's about the Kizna. The Kizna doesn't exist in the real world, so how does it exist in this one?I would put meaning into the character's shoes, though. They aren't as unimportant as the seem. You can learn a lot about a person from their shoes.
>where worldbuilding/tech/magic falls apart.
Well, yeah. These are just headscratchers, not plot holes. I never said they were. This entire debate hasn't been about the entire quality of the show, just how it does this one part less effectively than it could. I'm nitpicking and others are blowing them out of proportion because they don't poke out to them. I said they threaten to infrastructure, not that the destroy it.
>>142811537
>>142811537
Think of it this way: the person in charge of a project normally oversees it. They're responsible for everything coming together. Instead all we get are our supervisors. That would be satisfactory if this was a larger scale experiment, but it's not. It's these two guys. As it stands, this one character would probably play a larger role if they were actually in it. Instead, we have those two guys.
>the research team photo
I honestly forgot this, I'm satisfied on this front.
>>142811712
That's great but you still haven't explained why the show needs more than those two guys.
>>142811752
A logical hierarchy and involvement. I already explained that.
>>142811778
But why does it need that other than to satisfy your need for pointless details?
>>142811812
It's not a pointless detail, it gives the story ground to stand on. The story isn't some surrealist abstraction of reality like Alice in Wonderland or something, it's setting is grounded in it's reality. Suspension of disbelief requires that the discrepancies between it's reality and our reality are explained. This is another discrepancy that is unexplained. The only excuses I can come up with are that those two are now in charge, which I don't recall ever being made explained, or Trigger didn't want to hire any more voice actors.
>>142799973
jesus-fucking-christ, that's the best thing I have seen in ages. upvote
>>142811878
I thought the second Kiznaiver experiment (the one Tenga is on) is overseen chiefly by Sonozaki, aided by the two researchers, Urushii and Yaamada. You meant you want to know like the surgeons who implanted the Kiznaiver system, or the neuroscientists who monitored the brain waves?
>>142811955
I mean a lead scientist. Sonozaki isn't a scientist, she's just sort of there. If it's been stated it's just the three, then that'll have to do, but I would imagine the scientist who actually came up with the Kizna would want to see things through on the second project. I can see that one getting laid off, although an explanation would've been appreciated so that this story has a history propping it up.
>>142812024
Yaamada and Urushii aren't enough of a lead scientist? They're the ones shown watching over the brain waves (which doesn't really show anything) and say things like "PEA density" or something.
>explanation would've been appreciated so that this story has a history propping it up
I can see that perhaps an information about the organization overseeing the first Kiznaiver system might be important, but so far it seems like the story doesn't need that much information about the original organization, only that there's enough of a difference between the first and second Kiznaiver programs that leads to how the plot progresses in the anime.
>>142802139
You think this is game? This is a Trigger show directed by Okada. Vanilla end is impossible.
>>142802139
>everyone wins
This is genuinely impossible. Nico wanted to be with Tenga who wanted to be with Chidori who wanted to be with Kacchon. There will be heartbroken people.
Doesn't mean it won't have an 'everybody ends up with someone' ending, of course.
>Sushio posts key frames
>it's mostly Not Kamina
Sushio please.
>it's a "Hisomu kills all of them to OD on Kizna" ending
>>142812632
I still think friendship end, and Noriko dies.
>>142812155
I wish I had a copy of the script so I could skim through it and confirm Yaamada and Urushii's roles. As it stands, it's still just messy but functional.
>>142812761
They're not wound bound anymore.
>>142812786
Nico's actions in episode 10 certainly seems to lead that way.
>>142812821
wanna bet
>>142812632
>This is genuinely impossible
Really? Happy end is possible for those 4 at least.
Nico is rejected but gets to befriend Maki at last.
If we go by visual cues™, Chidori likes Tenga quite a bit and their relationship will develop.
MC will get his waifu.
Only Yuta is royally fucked.
>>142812880
By their current goals, an 'everybody wins' ending is impossible because Tenga's goal is incompatible with Chidori's goal. Of course, if by the end of the next two episodes (is this really 1 cour? damn) they shifted their goals a happy end for everyone could be possible.
>>142799283
Chidori = Nico > everything else > shit > sonozaki
>>142812802
Like, do you want to have their official titles? It is pretty clear at this point that for the second Kiznaiver program Yaamada and Urushii are the lead scientists, or at least lead technical engineers. Sonozaki's role might be more of the chief.
>>142812917
Exactly - you don't even know what Chidori's current goal is. I strongly doubt it's still getting into Kacchon's pants no matter what. If anyone needs to move on it's her.
![[HorribleSubs] Kiznaiver - 10 [720p].mkv_snapshot_22.03_[2016.06.13_18.07.46].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/7buHsRp.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Kiznaiver - 10 [720p].mkv_snapshot_22.03_[2016.06.13_18.07.46].jpg")
What does this face convey?
>>142812992
pleasure of being cummed inside
>>142812992
>tfw the dense protagonist realizes the girl loves him
>>142811033
>The series has made a point just how toxic their relationship would be.
Not really, much of the dysfunction is due to literally forced drama and misunderstandings (kiss that never happened, being stood up except not really, etc.) and that's looking at things from how Chidori is experiencing it; for Katsuhira's, it's actually been positive (the personal confessions in the earlier episode, Katsuhira finally standing up to his bullies because of Chidori's rant).
An ending with Tenga could very much possible but could also be a lead by the nose, same as with a Sonozaki ending for Katsuhira.
>>142813781
kachon suddenly having feelings for chidori at this point would be a new level of okada meme. The guy literally said he had been thinking of nori chan in hour a day before he even knew it was her. Literally the only time he thought of chidori last episode was when hisomu noticed he had no food. This is past being an autist, he really doesn't care about her compared to nori, so much so that a chidori end at this point would be incredibly forced.
>>142796568
They're both shit so they deserve each other.
Kacchon existence is a neverending suffering for Chidori.
>>142802510
chidori please
>>142814018
Well in the Anthem of the heart the boy always thinking of the main girl and always monologue on how she inspires him and shit and yet he still rejects her.
>>142814087
Pretty much this.
>>142803160
People on /a/ have a thing for worst girls.
>>142814311
And you're good example of that I presume.
>>142814406
But anon, we share the same waifu
>>142814250
if your argument is that it's possible because bad writers exist, sure.
But that wouldn't stop said bad end from being bad. kachons feelings on who he is drawn to was pretty much confirmed this episode and episode 9.
